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@agk9276

4 жыл бұрын

Big man with ball, equals bigger man with leverage

The fact he won DPOY and didn’t make the defensive first team is crazy

@Sizdothyx

4 жыл бұрын

It's hardly the first time a player was on the second team but managed to win MVP/DPOTY man.

@TheMilapMehta

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sizdothyx You're exactly right. Dikembe + Tyson Chandler have both also won and been second team. I found those by accident and wasn't even looking. I'm sure there are more if you go down the full list of DPOY. The moral of the story is that there need to be an elite few objective voters who give votes. Most media members, former players, and coaches are all incredibly inconsistent and illogical with their voting. There should be 11 - 15 smart people who make these picks so the awards actually mean something.

@michaelgray1803

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I have no respect for awards no set criteria

@numa2k147

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMilapMehta exactly, those very terms undermine the work of some great players, and sometimes hurt players more with bogus votes.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMilapMehta so lebron and tony allen lose to marc who was better defensive players 😂

I’m here after LeBron talked about it

@mazriuelas6654

3 жыл бұрын

same

@asp3ct7th

3 жыл бұрын

Also me

@Zoot004

2 жыл бұрын

Me three.

If you win DPOY I think you should be automatically in the all defensive first team. Like how do you win DPOY and you're not even in the all defensive first team? Makes no sense at all.

@LeoBan99

4 жыл бұрын

It should be the other way in that case. Coaches voted their first and second teams and depending on that then, if they wanted the media to vote the DPY award, they vote from the first team players. If it"s how you say, then you allow media to vote whoever they want and this problem of having gasol winning the award without deserving it, happens and they would have placed Gasol on the first team without deserving it, in the coaches opinion.

@ffxiisucks

4 жыл бұрын

It actually makes a lot of sense. This way you can tell which player is completely overrated.

@glyle2504

3 жыл бұрын

No, it’s the other way around. If you’re not all defensive first team, you should be ineligible for DPOY. All-teams should be first

@WeGonBeAlright

3 жыл бұрын

This isnt unprecedented. It's happend to Mutombo, Tyson Chandler and Alvin Robertson

@shxdow6405

3 жыл бұрын

Marc Gasol is a bum defensively. The media are Jordan fanboys who can’t stop sniffing Michael Jordan jockstrap religiously. Lebron James was the best defensive player that year. Marc gasol ain’t even in the conversation for best defensive player let alone best defensive big 💯

I am glad that Larry Sanders is happy, but man was that boy talented. I wish him well!

@willbeard4835

4 жыл бұрын

Loved Larry and loved how he turned down that money to be happy

@adriandaliva1341

4 жыл бұрын

he's a beast in the 2k games he was present in with the bucks, both in the post and defense

@DeshTheDirector

4 жыл бұрын

Adrian Daliva him and Brandon Jennings used to go off

NBA: you were the best defensive player this year Gasol: so that means that I was the best defensive player at my position as well right? NBA: No you're not even the second best at your position

@saiyanroyalty229

4 жыл бұрын

Not even the 3rd best

@tredagrate3686

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@vvilliam355

3 жыл бұрын

Dominique Randall marc was definetly the dpoy

@saiyanroyalty229

3 жыл бұрын

@@vvilliam355 he didn't make 1st team how lol

@vvilliam355

3 жыл бұрын

@@saiyanroyalty229 you obviously don’t understand how the votes work 😂 do research before you comment some dumb shit lol

When are we getting a 30 minute looped video of just the background music.

@malcolmbrown95

4 жыл бұрын

@AV That's what's up. Good looking out

@PresidentValentine

4 жыл бұрын

@AV thanks duuude

The coaches knew, LeBron was a monster that year

@DaFlash47

4 жыл бұрын

Look at his dam team

@dlowjames4549

4 жыл бұрын

@@DaFlash47 wtf does that has to with defensive player of the year

@DaFlash47

4 жыл бұрын

@@dlowjames4549 it's easy to play defense knowing you have a team of d wade and Bosh 2 very good defenders in their positions. Just take Draymond green for example the dude won defensive player of the year cause he played with so many great players and now that those players were gone this season his defense didn't loook defensive player of the year worthy

@newerest1

4 жыл бұрын

@@DaFlash47 can't believe you had to explain this to him lol

@manuel-ocho7671

4 жыл бұрын

Not on defense tho, and it was his best defensive season, lmao. Overrated AF!

Maaaaaan I been waiting two years for your analysis on this! Thanks bro.

Nobody: Kenny "The Jet" Smith: *mark cuhSAAL*

Welcome back! I miss this guy's channel.

Bro the NBA gonna showing up at this guy's house soon 😂

@diderotguerrier39

4 жыл бұрын

Nbs

Agendas, agendas, if they voted without agendas LeBron would have 1 DPOY and 2 more MVPs. But some NBA folks don't wanna acknowledge greatness cuz they refuse to admit anyone is as good as MJ 🤷🏿‍♂️

@andreingramakadjscrewrip7372

3 жыл бұрын

Since we wanna talk about agendas, Jordan was snubbed of the 1993 AND 1997 MVP

@hesomelo5910

2 жыл бұрын

You know the media is the one pushing Lebron goat narrative if they didn’t push it so hard idk if some people would even call him the goat

@johncena4096

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreingramakadjscrewrip7372 no he wasn’t

@andreingramakadjscrewrip7372

2 жыл бұрын

@@johncena4096 I can't C ur argument being taken seriously

no award should be voted by the media. they should all be voted by players and coaches

what an amazing day, BE is back!

These vids are amazing. Go deeeeeeeper!

My Raptors have both Marc and Serge now. Damn we're good defensively.

@drewelric118

4 жыл бұрын

7 seasons later... A bit late LOL

@scorpiocanuck6321

4 жыл бұрын

@@drewelric118 Well we won the chip 6 years later. I'll live with that

@kennethbui5170

4 жыл бұрын

Scorpio Canuck W

@gangtime8705

3 жыл бұрын

Andrew Franklin Marc gasol is one of the best all around players in the league and Ibaka is one of the best two way centres not really but gasol not his old all nba but serge is better than ever

@verbalkint4258

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... not anymore lol

This is one of my favorite NBA channels!

Damn is this the hard hitting analysis KZread nba has seen. Thank god for people like jimmy and thinking basketball

Constant intellectual basketball commentary. Thank you 🏀👁🏀

Thank you for this! With videos like these you can help wake up the NBA fans and change the NBA for the better

Idk if you saw my comment asking for this but thank you 🙏🏾

What!?!?! I thought he earned it fair and square Alright I take that back. You might he right

@TheMilapMehta

4 жыл бұрын

Gasol wasn't undeserving, but Tony Allen definitely was the best defensive player that year and he for some reason wasn't even a finalist. Gasol should have been 2nd team though. Tyson Chandler got all those first team votes because the idiot media voted him 2nd team the previous year and decided to overcompensate the next season. Tyson and the Knicks defense as a whole was a lot worse in 2013 than it was in 2012. Joakim, Marc, and Larry Sanders were clearly the 3 best defnsive centers that year and it's a shame that voters always try to compensate for past mistakes in following seasons.

@SamReynols

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMilapMehta The defensive metrics have Gasol as the best defender in the 12-13 Grizzlies.

@JamaicanHopscotchMafia

4 жыл бұрын

The voting system makes no sense but the media probably got it right that time, Marc was the best defensive player that year according to DBPM and D-PIPM. Sanders does have a case but Lebron really doesn't. Frankly DPOY is an award that should only be given to centers because of the innate value of rim protection.

@TheMilapMehta

4 жыл бұрын

​@@SamReynols There probably are advanced metrics that show Gasol as better. I was using defensive rating on basketball reference which gave them the same score. www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/2013.html Because perimeter players tend to guard players with the ball, switch a lot more , and have a wider range of court to cover, they are involved in more scoring possessions and tend to have worse defensive ratings than centers. The fact that Tony Allen had the same defensive rating as Gasol of 98 is incredibly impressive considering that he guarded the opponents best perimeter player. I'm sure I can find other metrics that show Allen was better. They both had impressive seasons, Allen was the best pick to me.

That should have been LeBron's DPOY, but since y'all hate him so much you just threw in other guys like Ibaka and Tony Allen.

This was the year that COJ said Lebron quit defnese after he didn't win DPOY, which he arguably should have won that year. 2013 LeBron was on another level.

@addi1105

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda understandable. Imagine putting all your effort to be the best At both ends and not getting rewarding because the Award was rigged. I would've been furious

@BigHeartNATION

4 жыл бұрын

​@@addi1105 No he shouldnt have won lmaooo. Marc gasol had far better defense and analytics look it up lebron didnt deserve shit lmao.

@BigHeartNATION

4 жыл бұрын

No he shouldnt have won lmaooo. Marc gasol had far better defense and analytics look it up lebron didnt deserve shit lmao

@dosalmasjd5886

4 жыл бұрын

Addi it tells you he is just looking for awards not playing defense because of loyalty to the game

@BigHeartNATION

4 жыл бұрын

@@dosalmasjd5886 Big Fax

Was this video planned the way it is and to be released next or was it a result of the NBA taking down one of your videos?

You can make the case for other players winnning DPOY, but Gasol definitely deserved it. He had the best numbers per defensive metrics on the Grizzlies that were the 2nd best defense in the league. He also led the NBA in Defensive Box Plus/Minus.

@emmapeel38

4 жыл бұрын

Anyone who knows what they’re looking at in great defensive players, knows that Marc Gasol is one of the great defensive players over the past decade. When people talk about Tyson Chandler being all that, I know they’re going off of reputation and don’t realize that he’s a lockdown defender. Gasol never hoarded rebounds, and left himself out of position on defense. He never chased down blocks. He can not only be the main cog of your defense, but can be also be an excellent help defender. I’ve never seen a guy with his size (weight especially) be able to switch so quickly, and down players to the 3pt line, then recover quickly enough to contend in the paint. Guys like Howard, Ben Wallace, Chandler, Mourning, Mutombo, etc, didn’t have that great switching ability. They looked great because they defensive schemes funneled everything to get them blocks. They’re more stationary than anything. Gasol is more in line with Russell, Thurmond, Olajuwon, and peak David Robinson when it comes to mobility; or he’s closer to this group in that regard than to the other group mentioned. He also does tons of little things, that never show up in the stats. He never cheats when it comes to positioning. There’s a reason it worked with he and Randolph all of those years. Randolph’s defensive reputation was non-existent before settling in with Gasol; Gasol covered a TON for him.

@emmapeel38

4 жыл бұрын

I meant that Chandler was never a lockdown defender.

@ParkerBai92

4 жыл бұрын

@@emmapeel38 There's a great quote I heard describing Sergio Busquets from Barcelona that can also be applied to Gasol's defensive game, "if you watch the whole game, you might not notice him, but if you only watch him, you'll see the entire game." Gasol doesn't make highlight plays or put up ridiculous numbers but he's just so smart and understands positioning better than most. I also love how he and Ibaka both speak Spanish to each other when communicating on defense to confuse opponents.

@emmapeel38

4 жыл бұрын

@@ParkerBai92 His understanding of ‘TEAM’ basketball, is off the charts. When the Raptors got him last year, I truly felt he was exactly what they needed. He’s sort of like Bill Walton with the Blazers - and to what you said - without the ridiculous numbers. He’s like water out there, and his game is infectious. Passing, ball movement, spacing, everything. He’s the opposite of Pau, wherein Pau gets credit via stats with what he does. Pau will get into the HOF, and Marc won’t, but I would rather have Marc on my team any day of the week. Marc is a MAN, Pau is a prince that leaks teams’ problems to the press.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Allen is Memphis best defensive player

commenting for the algorithm. This is A1 content

Did u just upload a new video on 2016 voters?

For a long time, I thought that Marc Gasol was screwed over when he didn't make the All-Defensive 1st Team. Now I see that he probably shouldn't had won DPOY in the first place. Now that I remember, LeBron James and Serge Ibaka were on another level defensively that year.

@fullmetal1766

4 жыл бұрын

Lebron wasn't media lies

@scoop2448

4 жыл бұрын

Gasol led the Grizzlies to the number 1 defense in the league in ppg allowed while playing in the tougher Western Conference against more higher-scoring teams. Gasol played better defense on Blake Griffin, Ibaka, and Duncan than Lebron did to anyone in the 2013 playoffs.

@nicholashackie1407

4 жыл бұрын

@@fullmetal1766 facts!!! Lebrons defense in 2013 was very overrated

@mrb6001

4 жыл бұрын

@@scoop2448 playoffs is not a regular season award, the grizzlies were full of defensive minded beasts in the starting 5, grit and grind was their core play

@tiktokexposed898

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah lebron was robbed of DPOY it's a shame

The way I see it and how it may have happened is that while he wasn’t the best overall his defense made his team that much better because of his defense. Individually he wasn’t but with contributions it won him the award.

Here after Lebron talked about it... again

At least Marc was honest about this when interviewed

Neither Gasol nor Lebron should've been 1 or 2. Battier was checking all the best players on Miami and the media was over glorifying lebron chase down blocks and he wasn't averaging 1 block a game

@nicholashackie1407

4 жыл бұрын

Facts!!!!!

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

wrong lebron and tony allen should had won it

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

Lebron is 5x all defensive first team 5x candidate for defensive player of the year and tony allen is memphis best defensive player he is a 3x all defensive first team and 3x all defensive second team

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

Battier guarded Durant in the 2012 FINALS

Lebron should the been the DPOY in 2013 & MVP in 2020. They don’t want to give it to Lebron because if they are bias to MJ & Lebron debate. Bron will be the first man to have 40kpoints 10K rebounds & 10K assists. Nobody can say that including Jordan.

To save face.... You goddamn right NBA did that...

The grizzlies was no.1 defensively that year, and gasol is the anchor of that defense, communicating defensively, putting teammates in right position, disrupting more shots just by being in the right position

@markell662

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s not enough to place him above guy who actually impact the game on a whole different level

@marksines1246

3 жыл бұрын

@@markell662 more than enough considering team success and efficient

...hence the reason why lebron has played little to no defense since that year

@joshiexo1851

4 жыл бұрын

wtf no

@captainobvious90

4 жыл бұрын

@Brandon uh, you're forgetting that playing defense also help them win games, not just for awards. Lebron simply put more effort on certain defensive plays, just not all the time. He was just focusing his energy more on the offensive side since he's the main focus. Although he did win the chip that year so whatever..

@sonderson9381

3 жыл бұрын

I mean that wasn’t his first year finishing second for DPOY.

@didac3859

3 жыл бұрын

@Brandon So Lebron plays so the media can pat him in the back? Damn...

@dirtyface-capone7622

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron has never been anything more than a decent defender.He has some spectacular chase down blocks, tho.

marc gasol did lead the league in Defensive Box Plus-Minus

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Allen who is 3x all defensive first team and 3x all defensive seond team is memphis greatest defensive player in their history

@nicmagtaan1132

3 жыл бұрын

tell me how tony allen guards the most dangerous area in the court , the paint?

Where was the analysis tho?

I still remember being shocked when this awarded selection came out. Like how is Serge not DPOY !!!

@Ma1q444

Жыл бұрын

Lebron*

Thats why I dont like awards to evaluate players

tony allen 3x all defensive first team 3x all defensive second team and Lebron James 5x all defensive first team 5x candidate for defensive player of the year

This is a nonsensical argument given the fact that NBA coaches have voted Kobe Bryant into all-defensive teams when he was clearly not deserving of the award year after year, more due to reputation than defensive output. Although it's a singular example, I think it's indicative of the fact that coaches rely much more on preconceived notions and reputation of a player, trying to give them "respect", rather than trying to adhere to what they actually did that particular season. It's a joke that he got selected in the 05-07 and 10-12 all-defensive teams. The only year where he truly deserved it post-Shaq was 08, in my opinion. In 09 and 10, he was playing much more of a lackadaisical free safety role that would occasionally be pretty cool for help defensive highlights, but was not particularly effective on the defensive end. Additionally, let's not also forget the fact that despite Shawn Marion leading the league 4 times in defensive win shares between 01-07 among guards and forwards, he was never once selected to an all-defensive team, despite clearly being a markedly more impactful and an arguably better defensive player than the likes of Tayshaun Prince in those years. There are other names he was certainly better than in those years, including D Wade, Chauncey Billups, and Kobe Bryant if we also want to include guard spots (since years like 2004 there are 4 forward/center all-defensive lineups). Another example would be the case of Andre Iguodala, who was robbed of an all-defensive team in 2012 selection despite being perhaps the best isolation wing defender that season (LeBron was the better overall wing defender though, no doubt). He averaged more steals than personal fouls (only 1.5 personal fouls for every 1.7 steals). On a team with a 32 year old, 6'8 Elton Brand as their center, the 76ers were 3rd in defensive rating, which is almost unheard of without a really good defensive anchor at center, but this was largely due to the swarming perimeter defense of Iguodala that season. Iguodala was 3rd in defensive rating among guards and forwards that season (only behind Josh Smith and LeBron), 2nd in DBPM that season among guards and forwards, and 3rd among guards and forwards in defensive win shares. It's absurd that he was not selected over Kobe Bryant. So when NBA coaches have a track record of making ignorant decisions such as this, it holds no weight to me whatsoever what the inconsistencies are between media and the coaches are. Marc Gasol deserved DPOY that year. Anchoring a dominant defensive team as a center holds more weight than all the possible help defense a superb wing defender could possibly hope to provide, despite how gaudy their moments of anticipation and reading of passing lanes may be. Defending the rim and quarterbacking a whole defense, particularly the 2nd best defense in the whole league, is no easy feat. Giving the award to LeBron, who had a team 9th in defensive rating compared to the Grizzlies' 2nd in defensive rating team, is like giving Marcus Camby DPOY over Tim Duncan in 2007, despite Camby anchoring the team with the 11th highest defensive rating in the league. I will give credit where credit is due though, and say Ibaka and LeBron were superb defenders that year in their own right, however you also discount the fact that Perkins was still a plus defensive center and Thabo Sefolosha was widely considered one of the best wing defenders at the time, too. Yes, Gasol's supporting cast was a few hairs better, but I don't think Conley-Allen-Prince-Randolph compared to Westbrook-Sefolosha-KD-Perkins is so much better to consider Gasol's defensive support as a wildly unfair advantage. The only spot where I think there's a clear discrepancy is Allen vs Sefolosha, but like I said, Sefolosha was a pretty damn good defender in his own right at the time. As for the other players, such as Sanders, Noah, and Duncan who were other bigs in contention for the DPOY spot this year, I'll leave em alone because I don't want to make this longer than it needs to be. Point is, Gasol deserved it. 1st in the league in DBPM, 2nd in DWS, 4th in DRTG, and anchoring the second best defensive team that year as their defensive quarterback is enough to tell me he's DPOY for 2012-13, plain and simple. And, the good old eye test re-confirms the same nerdy analytics shit.

@BasketballExamined

4 жыл бұрын

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? Did you not watch the video? Or understand what the point of it was? The video isn't called "Here's Why Gasol Shouldn't Have Been DPOY", so why are you writing a dissertation on why Gasol "deserved" DPOY? which is just your opinion.

@Daily0Dylan

4 жыл бұрын

@@BasketballExamined Hey, thanks for the response. Just to let you know, I am a fan of the channel, but that doesn't mean I don't have constructive, albeit nitpicky criticism. I was perhaps a bit off-the-rail with my initial comment, so I would rather you respond to this one if you have the time, where I stay more on topic in response to the details of your video. I watched the video in full. The point is that I disavow the fact that coaches interpretation of who deserves all-defensive selections is one that is seen as indicative of their defensive prowess in each season, given the fact that they have failed to make the right decision over and over again. To quote what you said in your introduction, "in today's video, we'll be looking at how the NBA rigged the 2013 all-defensive team for Marc Gasol". This statement, in a vacuum, is correct, but some of the implications one (such as parroting the narrative that Serge or LeBron deserved DPOY over Gasol) may get out of the video are not always what the creator intended, so I am sorry if I came off as aggressive and dismissive of your whole video. To be fair, though, in the outro section of your video, you inject your own personal opinion into the matter by questioning if he were even the best defender in the league given his defensive supporting cast, which is a call to question the validity of his DPOY award. In addition, you add the quotation from Dwight Howard, doubting the validity of Gasol's DPOY selection, which again adds to the narrative. Howard is not a coach and he is not speaking on behalf of all-defensive selections, so his quotation there is irrelevant to the narrative of all-defensive selections, especially given the fact that Serge wouldn't take the place of a center spot on an all-defensive team, making his association to Gasol from all-defensive selection perspective irrelevant. You are absolutely right in that the NBA fucked up the voting total in regards to how Sanders, Noah, and Chandler all received more votes than Gasol, if one were to look at it from a strictly letter of the law perspective. In an objective sense, this video is absolutely right in that regard. I'm just mentioning that, in my personal opinion, giving weight to a vote from the coaches, which you would do from very strictly following the tally of the votes, who have shown time and time again to fail to reward players who deserve all-defensive selections is not worth it. Larry Sanders had more votes than Marc Gasol, that is an absolute fact. My argument in response to that is to re-direct the conversation to the fact that we place too much weight on all-defensive selections from a clearly flawed system, so making an argument that devalues an individual's accomplishments on behalf of a flawed system (like people saying, "How can Gasol be DPOY if he was only 2nd team all defense?") is something I do not agree with. Gasol, even if it were strictly from NBA saving face and dismissing the NBA coaches' voting that year in regards to all-defensive selections, deserved that all-defensive 2nd team spot over Larry Sanders. Should the voting system allow it such that this always happens? No, that would be hyper-authoritarian and delude the truth of the voters. But perhaps as just as a case study, 2013's vote is so incredibly stupid on behalf of the coaches, that a clearly DPOY-worthy center would get voted to an all-defensive 4th team (if there were such a thing), that I find the NBA's intervention into this cause to be entirely justified. So you are right in that mine is an opinion-based argument. Admittedly, the NBA media who has now taken on the responsibility of all-defensive selections, as you've shown time and time again as well on your channel, have largely fucked up voting processes as well; nobody's value judgement is infallible.

I understand they have there voters in the nba but we as the fans need to start our own voting, so u would have nba votes and fans vote which would be more realistic.

Please make a video about how Devin Booker got snubbed for Bubble MVP

@nicmagtaan1132

3 жыл бұрын

to be fair both dame and booker are pushing also for the spot but dame is just on a new other level of offense like curry-esque there

It's crazy that guys from the media are the one who votes for the all defensive team and DPOY or any other awards. Most of those dudes don't even watch the whole games, they just watch highlights smh

Kevin Love and Marc Gasol got a ton of awards that shouldve gone to Bynum and Hibbert but we ain't gonna talk about that 👀

If you remember anything from this season , LeBron announced before the season started he is going after the DPOY . But because he came second in voting , this does not by any means , mean that he deserves that award . Both Joakim and Chandler were defensive anchors for their team , and without them their teams would not be in playoff positions . LeBron should have been 3rd or even 4th in voting that year .

Marc Gasol is a real deal DPOY that season. he was just robbes from being an all-defensive first team

um its obvious lebron shouldve won that year. one of the most blatant mis awarding in recent times. kinda similar to how malcolm brogdon got the roy award lol

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

both lebron and tony allen

@nicmagtaan1132

3 жыл бұрын

who is abetter rookie than brogdon that yr, all the rest is playing like shit

Marc Gasol earned his DPOY and was the deserving winner and he deserved to be 1st team All-Defense.

@itzwakk335

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. Ibaka or lebron should have won

@xbefri23

3 жыл бұрын

Ibaka? That's funny.

i hated this year so much man, im a big lebron fan so obviously i would argue he should have gotten the dpoy but if they had given it to serge then i would have understood it but i was like, “come on, marc gasol got it, are we serious right now!?!?!?!?”

I never knew this but it’s funny to think someone is the best defender in the league but not top 5

I Ibaka should have been dpoy

Nah dude. Gasol is clearly one of the best defensive centers in the league. It shows on the Raptors. Shit the raps have both Ibaka and gasol in their center rotations lol

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

ton allen was memphis best defensive player

Bill Russell won an mvp but was second team all nba

1:55 this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Points per game have NOTHING to do with all defensive teams

@hardwoodthought1213

Жыл бұрын

Were you high when you watched this? He’s saying he had more total votes/points for All-Defensive Team than Gasol, and thus should have made it over Marc

pls make a video already, someone voted Drummond as defensive player of the year....

God Is Great, May God Bless you all and your families

Marc is a great defender. I didn't watch basketball closely in 2013 so I really don't know but everything I watched of him in the last 5 years I have to say dude is a genius on defense.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Allen is Memphis greatest defensive player 3x all defensive first team and 3x all defensive second team

@armin38822

4 жыл бұрын

@@TakablePond Tony was a spectacular defender but I think a defensive player who's playing behind the permiter defenders can control the defense more than those guys on the permiter. He see's more,he communicates more,he can correct more mistakes etc. Obviously guys on the front line are very important to but I don't think is possible to have a great defense without the great center or power forward behing controling it. On other hand,there were average or bad defenive teams that had a great defensive player but he was a PG,SG or a SF.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

@@armin38822 lebron and tony allen who was 1st and 2nd in first place votes that is disrespectful

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

I see why lebron didn't play defense for long time

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

@@armin38822 tim duncan pippen bruce bowen lebron tony allen are some the greatest defensive players in nba the history to not win that award

Aside from Lebron, It could've went to noah and ibaka too. They chose Gasol because he was the Centerpiece and anchor of their defense. But ibaka and noah for their teams too.

You take a look at the history of the award and look at who deserves it (Tim Duncan) and who didn't (Marc Gasol).

I didn’t need to see this

If this is the case, Jordan shouldve won back to back DPOY in 87 and 88

What's the incentive for this tho? Why would the NBA want Gasol to win it wasn't the Gizzles a boring team back then?

@TheMilapMehta

4 жыл бұрын

The title is mis-leading. The NBA didn't rig it for Gasol, they rigged it for themselves. The media members of "journalists" and former players is trash. The NBA rigged the All-NBA voting so those idiots don't look like complete fools, not because Gasol needed them to.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

Tony allen was Memphis best defensive player

7 yrs ago? Then u may as well go back more and see if Bird Magic or MJ were robbed of mvps

Fact is even IF gasol didn't deserve lebron 100 percent did not deserve to even be nominated for the award he was never ever close to being the leagues best defender or even the best defender at his position

This confirms that LeBron was robbed of the DPOY that season.

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't

entertaining video! Made me laugh xD xD

Tony Allen has always been overrated on defense, the man made lots of defensive assignment errors and bad gambles that often led him to be out of his defensive position that he only could recover thanks to his teammates filling in for him, and Joerger's defensive schemes and playing style. I'm not sure Allen would be as good in the current pace and space NBA era. Of course, he often used a lot of energy to go back to his man, as well as harass his defensive assignment around screens, but that doesn't mean he was doing a good job in the first place. It's like how lots of people, fans or media, rate Patrick Beverley, who is similar but littler, compared to Marcus Smart, who is a way better fundamentally sound defensive player. But because Beverley used to defend his man tighter, it sometimes worked well and created a defensive highlight, which won't happen with a more classic defensive stop, but it also didn't work as he died on screens and lost his man. I'm not saying Pat Bev was never a good defensive player, he was back in the 13-14 and 16-17 Rockets, but he looked like he talks more than he acts the last two seasons.

I miss the grit n grind grizz and seeing how other teams loathed to play them

Tim Duncan was by far.... by a large margin, the best defender in the 2013 season. There’s one reason the Spurs didn’t win the chip that year... Tim wasn’t on the court playing defense moments before the Ray Allen shot. One players presence on defense had never been so important. That’s not the sole reason that Timmy was the best defender that year, but it does prove it. By far, and it’s not even close, Tim Duncan should’ve won the award that year. The fact y’all don’t mention it proves you didn’t watch basketball back then.

@nicmagtaan1132

3 жыл бұрын

someone is gonna take a 3 there, tell me how duncan was effective there? bosh can make a 3, and lebron will. but then again lebron bricked it and duncan couldve got that rebound but then again bosh is already there boxed out

Good video...wouldn't say rigged though...I remember the media/'analysts' using defensive efficiency and rim protection stats to justify Gasol as DPOY...coaches and players typically don't use analytics that way so its just a different interpretation

What does a center having points have to do with points

To save jordans legacy

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

How? MJ never won mvp fmvp and dpoy in the same season, hakeem DID

Lol 13 seconds in: "Marc Gasol named DOPY(Defensive of Player Year)" Could not stop laughing. Good vid though!

It should seriously only be the players and coaches voting on stuff. They know way more than the media, example: nick wright. But also Paul pierce lol but definitely could do some percentage to the fans since NBA is a business, but not enough to completely override the players and coaches votes. An example of that is Zaza Pachulia almost becoming an All-Star as a role player/bench warmer on the warriors in 2016 or 17? Can’t remember. We laugh now but it was way closer than we all remember. I remember him LITERALLY being in the starting 5 at one point, that or right under it like 1 or 2 away from being a STARTER! IN THE ALL STAR GAME!!!! ZAZA FREAKING PACHULIA?!?!?😂 no thanks

@cranmanjr

4 жыл бұрын

No disrespect to Zaza even tho he injured Kawhi, but mans NOT nor never was an all star. ESPECIALLY as a role player occasional starting center for the warriors with the skill level of a solid veteran bench player who barely plays and just signs to help the younger players instead of playing

The person who should have won was his Gasol`s teammate Tony Allen, but he dont get any respect as the grindfather. Locked down 1-4 no matter the size.

Gasooool🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦

Basketball Examined should be the only one who votes for these awards

It's clear media didn't want Bron getting close to Jordan. It's always about this. Giannis isn't a threat to MJs legacy and probably never will be thus he won it this year with the Mvp.

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

Stop it, MJ didn't win DPOY in YR he won a title, hakeem did

Marc Gasol stole Lebron's defensive player of the year in 2013

Yes! Finally glad a basketball KZreadr brought this up. Always though Marc winning the DPOY over Serge and LeBron was highly suspect! I'll always point to the 2013 season when people say "LeBron's never been a good defender" or "Serge is just an average role player" because in the case of LeBron, he honestly likely should've won DPOY that year and in the case of Serge, people forget just how impactful he was on the defensive side of the court in OKC, highly underrated and had a very noticeable affect on some of their playoff runs.

This is so wack. The nba did it cause they didn’t want bron to have the first ever perfect season(unless you count all star game mvp) I believe it’s never happened. 1st team all defense, nba first team, mvp, dpoy, champion, finals mvp. I’m pretty positive it’s never happened

I see why lebron stop playing defense for a long time (2013 lebron 1st in votes and tony allen second in votes )

@buddyfats4768

3 жыл бұрын

He stopped playing defense because he didn’t win an award? Lol is he a child

@eurofam7475

2 жыл бұрын

@@buddyfats4768 he made a 2nd Team Defense the next szn afterwards

lebron and tony allen was robbed of the chance to win defensive of the year

Lebron DPOY

Lebron was the dpoy that season

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

Just looked it up, he's not

Who came here after what Lebron said?

It wasn't rigged against LeBron, it was bad consistency and reliability because they had media for voting for the award and coaches for the all-defensive teams. This is questions the reliability of the award that year because the numbers don't add up, it was clearly a mistake on the NBA.

Lol lebron really is a master at making people talk about him..he keeps hearing mj won dpoy so as soon as he found the chance he just threw that there..im not saying anything its just funny..He didnt say that just to "prove his point"

LeBron really got robbed 😂😂

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

Not at all

LeBron is the real Defensive player of year 2013!

@m.j.w.2876

3 жыл бұрын

Looked it up, he's not

He was one of the best defenders in 2013. Duncan was probably the best, then Gasol, with Hibbert and George following.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong lebron and tony allen was ranked 1st and 2nd in the voting but lost

@bosslax3162

4 жыл бұрын

@@TakablePond Genius I'm not saying the voting, I'm saying who actually was the best. So... wrong.

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

@@bosslax3162 lebron was all defensive first team tony allen was all defensive first team and one of them should had won defensive player of the year

@TakablePond

4 жыл бұрын

@@bosslax3162 on this video larry sanders should had been second team

@bosslax3162

4 жыл бұрын

@@TakablePond Are you stupid or just unaware of whats going on?

Serge Ibaka was robbed, is all im saying

*Confused as to why Lebron is on the thumbnail.* *I mean I get it, but you don’t need to do that 🤷‍♂️ 😆. I get it tho.*

@TheCoolComplexity

4 жыл бұрын

TyroneNBAFan *and yet he has nothing to do with this video. He’s just a detail. Also, really don’t feel like arguing about Lebron or anything thanks for imparting the info tho.*

Even if gasol shouldn't have won there is nothing to suggest lebron should of won other then his usual media fan club saying so

@nicholashackie1407

4 жыл бұрын

Facts!!!

@adrianpheiffer9960

3 жыл бұрын

But the "media fan boys" were the reason Marc Gasol won 🤷‍♂️

He deserved it tho

@NeurosiusM

4 жыл бұрын

Others "deserved" it more. They gave it to Gasol because it fit the narrative better because of Grizzlies.

this was BULLSHIT. lebron should've finished FIRST, ibaka a VERY close SECOND, gasol 2b or 3