I wish they sent undercover police to investigate politicians

@mr.voidroy6869

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the founding fathers were smart enough to make checks and balances but not for themselves

@wolfumz

Жыл бұрын

Its kind of amazing. The entire criminal justice system runs while a well-oiled machine when it comes to convicting drug crime. Any drug crime, the whole system works in perfect harmony, like it was made for the purpose. But sex crimes? Political corruption? White collar crime? Suddenly, the justice system grinds to a halt. The justice system is totally ineffective when it comes these crimes. 98% of perpetrators of violent SA never a see a day in jail. But you better pray you're not a destitute drug addict, because the full weight of the law will come down on you.

@jensgronning4436

Жыл бұрын

They do.

@anarchocyclist

Жыл бұрын

Ohhhh snap good one bro that's so tough abd smart abd cool

@hadrakir4098

Жыл бұрын

Off you go.

The book is absolutely brilliant. I read it a few years ago and couldn't put it down. The ATF should be ashamed at what they've done to Jay,he gave up his life for that investigation and they hung him out to dry. A shocking betrayal.

@richardnoggen4808

Жыл бұрын

LOL shocking? its the ATF... NEVER trust the 3 letter agencies my guy

@BraveClam

Жыл бұрын

The ATF is literally an embarrassment, and that's why those dingleberries need to get dispersed. They overstep their boundaries.

@damiandraven4537

Жыл бұрын

Yea it didn't tell about how much he lied and why he was kicked out of the investigation

@steverobertson6393

Жыл бұрын

@@damiandraven4537 Where can we corroborate that idea / story? How do YOU know he lied? Is it obvious? Maybe his book is ridiculous and exceptionally intelligent people can decipher the truth from fiction. Don't know. Haven't read it. But for those who want to believe you over Jay, how do they know you are right?

@roooooin

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that part of his story yet. I should definitely get my hands on that book somehow. Anyone know if there’s an ebook version available?

I grew up around hells angels, by the age of 10 i knew the sergeant at arms, treasurer, and president of the local chapter. My father ran around with them for years, he never got patched in, despite it being offered multiple times. He refused because of me. He always told me "Its the clean cut ones you need to watch." The man that wears a button up shirt, with real nice hair and no tattoos in a group of "biker" looking guys is the most dangerous man in the group.

@themetkaf

2 ай бұрын

why?

@lostwizardcat9910

2 ай бұрын

@@themetkaf Because they're the ones with things to really hide. Not to mention because out of the entire group the cops aren't going to look at the well dressed guy with a nice job first. They'll look at him close to last because all of his buddies with gang tattoos and a petty rap sheet 3 miles long fit the bill more than him.

@user-ry5hm7ho8t

2 ай бұрын

I used to get my gear via them in the 1980's. They invited another group of bikers out into a forest for a "chat" over a stabbing. This was in england. There was a newspaper story about some one being shot in the legs with a shot gun. They did not mention the meat clever incident. i got a phone call about going fishing at the docks. We drove srtaight through the gates unchallenged, directly to a shipping container which was cordoned off and there was a customs man there with a handgun guarding it. i was that non badged clean cut guy you are talking about. If they wanted those guns, all they had to do was put their cards on the table.

@chrislaverick6413

Ай бұрын

Why is that?

@user-ry5hm7ho8t

Ай бұрын

​@@themetkaf Every church has its chapter. The word chapter also appears in 'freemasonry' They claim america was built on freemasonry. It is a form of statistical manipulation. I found out about hells angels via tv when I was still at school. I did not know what chapter is. No one told me. i was being exploited the same way as everyone else. It got people killed.

The Hells Angels story about how you managed to infiltrate the club is one of the most incredible stories I’ve ever seen. Very few people would have the necessary skills to handle playing a role like that. It’s not like the Hells Angels aren’t cautious and aware that law enforcement is always trying to get in. Just insane to even try it. I can’t imagine how stressful and scary it must have been at times.

@puertogreekn8675

5 ай бұрын

Balls of steel for real

@deecee2174

2 ай бұрын

Ive met a handful of members from working in the oilfield... An HA member will NEVER straight up tell you theyre a memeber... you put 2 and 2 together and figure it out Alot of HA guys are good too, they dont pick fights with locals or cause harm. I respect the HA theyve always been good to work with

@theeyehead3437

2 ай бұрын

@@deecee2174 What do you mean they never tell you they're a member? Their whole thing is that they wear jackets with the name printed in bold letters

@beangaloot5

2 ай бұрын

their "whole thing" is what? something you've seen on tv or youtube, I'm guessing .. @@theeyehead3437

@thedripdrop9826

2 ай бұрын

​@@deecee21742 and 2 together like looking at the huge patch on their back? They ain't in hiding, chief

I read this mans book almost 10 years ago. It was a phenomenal book and a great insight both into the friendships formed in the Hell's Angels as well as the failure of the ATF. If I recall correctly, one HA member refused to believe "Bird" was an undercover agent until he took the stand to testify, cuz he considered him a close friend. The book is 100% worth a read.

@unboxingbraxton2084

8 ай бұрын

Whats the book called mate

@hellsregect

8 ай бұрын

@@unboxingbraxton2084 No Angel

@tomtemple69

7 ай бұрын

The whole ATF agency is a failure, they need to be disbanded and everyone in it jailed

@kolisnykizer

7 ай бұрын

I’m gonna pick that up. Thanks for the rec.

@takuma359

7 ай бұрын

@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1metaphorical madness u got there cuh 🔥 🔥 you should do rap on jah 🌋🔥🗽🗽

You can tell it's difficult for him to talk about his family and his betrayal. I feel for him.

@brandondixon207

Жыл бұрын

Sounds real comfortable to me

@jeffhoffmann3620

Жыл бұрын

Crappy...two faced garbage ..laughable ..law enforcent..been corrupt for decades.🤔😠

@bryonkidder6199

Жыл бұрын

He's trying to keep all his lies straight...lol

@johnsonofthunder1026

Жыл бұрын

Spies are the lowest form of life though . 👿

@Burzurk1987

Жыл бұрын

I don’t feel for him at all. He is a walking paradox. He wanted to have his cake and eat it. He wanted the glory of being in the Hells Angels and at the same time make himself out to be some kind of hero cop who bravely sacrificed himself to uphold the “law”. He didn’t care that he betrayed his own family, otherwise he would have never taken that stupid undercover assignment which turned out practically nothing.

around the late 70s early 80s my dad was a mechanic and loved bikes, was driving on the freeway and saw a guy on the side with his bike broken down and was a hells angel. my dad was always friendly to help anyone his entire life and helped this guy get his bike running again. afterwards the guy pulled a gun out and said you gotta come with me and meet some people to make sure your legit and not some undercover. my dad went and they found out pretty quick he was just a regular guy. he ended up hanging out with them alot. he had some sort of vest, i know it wasnt a official but i think it was the ones they give people in "Training" or new members for him to wear when he was around. he went to alot of their parties mainly or just rode for fun with them. he said alot of stuff he saw he didnt want to tell me. he said women were anyones women. at least the onces he experienced. i know there is ones that there are hands off on. around the time i was born they had a big raid in the chapter in our city and he said all the ones he knew were leaving and going to the california chapter to get away from the heat. so my dad burned the vest he had and never went back to anything like that. i would ask why didnt you keep the vest. this was in the 80s when i was wearing jean jackets with heavy metal patches all over them thinking thats the coolest thing. he said it was like wearing a target and if the wrong people ever found it he could get killed. didnt even want anyone to find it ever in his closet. he also didnt own a bike at the time, he had one when he was younger and crashed them. he was actually a horrible rider nearly died once lol. but he said when he was around the angels that he knew they always had a spare bike he could ride with them. they were very giving. weather that was to course him or if they just liked him i dunno. he would help others tune their bikes or fix them. i worked with my dad as a mechanic as i got older and thats just how he was. we had our own family business and often if he saw someone who worked for us or a friend of a friend having issues he would just go over there and start working on their stuff for them and never charged them and would either fix it or tell them what they needed to fix it. sometimes we would spend 14-16 hour days at our shop it was exhausting. time to him didnt matter, he practically lived at work. but he also provided for his kids from his first wife, me, my 2 adopted sisters, and then his 3rd wife he took care of my step bro and step sis and when my step sis had a kid he took care of her kid as well. a few years ago he died broke and crippled with a caine. he only had a trailer and a half paid car. i sold the trailer for 10k and paid the car off with it and kept it.

@KennyJimenez-ng6zb

7 ай бұрын

Your Dad died a rich man.

@MelodicMizeryPs3Vids

7 ай бұрын

@@KennyJimenez-ng6zb i can say he def died rich in spirit. i also seen him lose alot of money over the years by helping other workers and stuff. would loan them money and never get it back. from what i know he was owed at least 8 grand total from various people he helped. there was another story he told me something about being in a bar with them and a huge fight brokeout with another biker gang. i wanan say it was with the outlaws but i cant say for sure, some of these stories he told me when i was 9 and told them to me multiple times. but im 42 now so its kind of vivid. but the bar fight it was enough to spook him to not go drinking with them again. he seemed to really enjoy his time around them but also had a sense of this cant be long term thing around when i was born. i think the cleveland chapter being raided was prob the best thing to happen and prob give him a out. anyways thanks everyone for listening to me yap about my pops!

@rebel1052k

7 ай бұрын

@@MelodicMizeryPs3Vids Thanks for sharing your insight, great stories to read and RIP to your Pops. He sounded like a very kind and generous man.

@MelodicMizeryPs3Vids

7 ай бұрын

thank you @@rebel1052k

@kanelbulle59

7 ай бұрын

Wow this is quite the story, I love how he basically just treated them as a normal group of bikers (with some caution ofc). I think HA is an very interesting group since yeah sure they are mostly criminals and dangerous BUT they will rarely hurt anyone without a real reason cus they have their own rules/honor to follow and beside that they are a family and it’s kinda sad to hear the betrayal on a family level when a cop who infiltrated, stands against them

The writers of Sons of Anarchy TV series really did their home work. Because everything about how the Hells Angels are run including their club and how the cuts are labeled is pretty well spot on with SoA

@kylearmstrong3935

4 ай бұрын

Cuttes*

@valkillmore847

2 ай бұрын

You know nothing of how the club works in real life, and the tiny bit they knew about on that gay TV show is only because they had actual club members on payroll giving tiny insights into the workings

@sloppyy

2 ай бұрын

lmao that show is just sopranos for people who didn't understand tony was supposed to be a bad person

@mercybeats_

2 ай бұрын

@@valkillmore847man you’re upset aren’t you

@nwerd7584

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but he even says it in the video. Every chapter is massively different. Where I am on the east coast they are generally regarded as decent guys because they do all the charity stuff every year. There hasn't been an incident with the public in decades.

Just imagine being one of this dudes best friends in the gang ... Thinking you've got one of the greatest bonds with someone and then one day the cops bust in your door and arrest you... Then you realize it was your "best friend" who is a cop that turned you in.

@DjDolHaus86

Жыл бұрын

That's literally the plot of Donnie Brasco, good film, well worth a watch

@bigredracingteam9642

Жыл бұрын

These biker gang fellows betray their so-called "friends" all the time. I have zero sympathy for these people.

@thomaslove6494

Жыл бұрын

@@bigredracingteam9642 I wouldn't say I have zero sympathy... At least for all of them anyway... I'm sure there are a few real pieces of work. But probably some decent guys also who've just made mistakes as well.

@SpaceRanger187

Жыл бұрын

I dont know how this dude sleeps at night. I could care less about grown adults doing drugs.. Go after some bikers, but if your rich you can have a whole island of children to have sex with and then have other rich people come.. what a joke the justice system is

@CamJames

Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceRanger187 that guy you're referring to was locked up for those crimes before being murdered in prison. not sure what your point is

Bring him for rating Motorcycle Club scenes from Movies and TV shows

@Daniel-uj1nu

Жыл бұрын

Amazing idea

@SidewaysBurnouts

Жыл бұрын

make him dress up like a rat and eat rotten food in the dark for a contest.

@musicalnotextr

Жыл бұрын

Literally it would just be 'Sons of Anarchy' and 'Mayans M.C.' clips. Okay, maybe the Serpents from 'Riverdale' or the One-Eyed Snakes from 'Bob's Burgers'.

@westoneuler4065

Жыл бұрын

@@musicalnotextr nah those would just be the only ones that might be close to reality, bikers are constantly in media just horribly misrepresented.

@TheCanadianWeeb5

Жыл бұрын

please do

The Hell's Angels are so hard to morally assess. They started as veterans that were fucked over returning from war, they don't bother you if you don't bother them, they contribute to society and yet... the killing and drugs and such. I feel like these were good people that were cruelly let down so they lost faith in society and decided to fend for themself(at least in their beginnings). Correct me if I am wrong though, I met one Hell's Angel in my life, I don't know enough to have a solid stance.

After reading "no angel" like ten years ago I was astonished to hear about the law suit against dobbins by the atf. But if there was anything i would say more about the book is how apparent it was after reading it that the biggest obstacle dobbins faced was not collecting evidentiary means to convictions, but being bogged down beaurocratic red tape that prevented any real work from being done. Politics and crime are so connected in ways its unbelievable.

@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance

7 ай бұрын

It's the same thing... crime is just legalized political strong arming until it crosses to physical violence... which the state contracts out to other agents than the ones in charge of legal and monetary harassment.

@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance

7 ай бұрын

If you don't pay a state ordered fine in most cases eventually men will show up at your door and threaten violence if you don't do what they say. It's no different from the mob. What do you call men with guns showing up at your door? Because that's what the law does.

The best PR the Hell's Angels get is from cops like this. Even back in the 60's when Hunter S Thompson wrote about them he admitted that the Hell's Angels weren't that big of a deal until the police and the media started blowing them up and then they grew exponentially. They admitted themselves that they were never as crazy as the cops and media made them sound, but they appreciated all the free advertising.

@mkh29mail

Жыл бұрын

@@beezub4311 good point. Also on top of this: Texas isn't "just one state". It is the second most populated state behind California and makes up more than 10% of the USA population. Shows that real power actually exists

@thePyiott

Жыл бұрын

They rarely mess with civilians, and in some case the keeper crazier gangs in check, but the are No saints

@noobkin997

Жыл бұрын

@@beezub4311 I guess you didn't read my comment, I said they weren't a big deal UNTIL all of the sudden attention they got in the late sixties and seventies.

@201hastings

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I forgot that meth isn’t a big deal. My bad

@noobkin997

Жыл бұрын

@@201hastings You think the HA cornered the market on meth in the sixties? I feel like you're not getting what I'm saying here

This is the type of journalism we should be seeing on mainstream media. Hopefully there's more to come.

@sicksparrow7023

Жыл бұрын

Insider is fairly mainstream. Owned by a big, multinational media company. It's pretty far away from guerilla journalism...

@angelozachos8777

Жыл бұрын

@DioDiablo This type of journalism is Bread & Circus stuff 😂 Are you for real ?

@davidmackii1513

Жыл бұрын

It is national geographic channel!

@djh4328

Жыл бұрын

Arkansas

@apokalypthoapokalypsys9573

Жыл бұрын

James O'Keefe does it.

I saw a solo Hell’s Angel riding early morning once in Colorado Springs years ago. I was literally amazed only having heard of them.

@gohar777

Ай бұрын

same situation with me lmao

over 20 years ago my dad found a bunch of hells angels shirts at a flea market he listed a few for sale on ebay and almost instantly was messaged by a member demanding they come pickup the shirts he has(he didn’t list all of them at once so he was able to keep a good bit😳)

My dad (deceased) was a club president (not the angels) during the biker wars of the 70s. I could write a book about what I witnessed and what my dad told me. I remember during High School watching him on the local news with the mayor, chief of police and the president of the rival club. Crazy times.

@yeh.80

Жыл бұрын

Wow, history is amazing. How do you think this has affected your thinking in life?

@plark7323

Жыл бұрын

My father was in one in the bay area in the 70's and 80's and the whole complex we lived in was members and the apartments across the street were memebers.... until one day a gun fight broke out then my pops said its time to get my family outta here. Crazy times

@paulthomasmiller1842

Жыл бұрын

@@yeh.80 great question. At one point in my teens my dad made it crystal clear that the club was his family. So I knew that lifestyle wasn't for me. My dad eventually had to go into hiding shortly before he died from ALS. I should also say that I was always treated with the highest respect from the club and other bikers.

@variousvalue9725

Жыл бұрын

What was your dads name?

@paulthomasmiller1842

Жыл бұрын

@@variousvalue9725 going to have to pass. Sorry.

The scariest thing about the Hells Angels is the missing apostrophe.

@browngreen933

Жыл бұрын

😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣

@REVY01

Жыл бұрын

A chilling revelation indeed.

@kevan4978

Жыл бұрын

You've obviously never met them in real life or you wouldn't be saying that

@johnmunro4952

Жыл бұрын

Many hells?🤣

@BradsGonnaPlay

Жыл бұрын

@@kevan4978 you’ve obviously never heard a joke in real life or you wouldn’t be saying that

Damn the fact he so readily admits his failures. It tells you how much a different man he is today

I read his book a few years ago. Great follow up. Tough to hear about his family and the inevitable follow ups and house situation.

I've heard similar stories from former undercover officers who worked on cases against the Hell's. In the end it leads to nowhere. An officer can spend well over 2 decades investigating and building up "a case" and then it all gets thrown out of court. They have good lawyers. My old business law professor in college had been a lawyer for them during his younger years. Nowadays the Hell's are mostly involved in money laundering. Where I live it's now illegal for them to wear their patches in public. Just wearing a jacket can land them in prison. So they have gone underground like an SOB. All of their club houses have been demolished. Another thing this guy doesn't mention is that they lure young men into the club through the use of younger woman. The younger women will pretend to just run across them and invite them to a party, "Oh, it's just a party, etc." They're prospecting when they do that. Any ways, I never understood what the big deal was about them. Never cared either. As for this former cop, the whole system is corrupt. He found that out the hard way. I bet law enforcement wasn't there to protect him nor his family after the SHTF. Obviously someone from the inside ratted him out. His fellow gang members were probably more loyal to him then his brothers in blue.

@threethrushes

Жыл бұрын

GABOS game ain't based on sympathy

@J.B.1982

Жыл бұрын

That’s the funny thing about gangs and mafias, the government is no different. We just give them more legitimacy, they have bigger guns, and hold a slightly more peaceful order.

@jakedee4117

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow ! luring guys into you club with hot chicks, that's got to be a RICO predicate right there 🤣🤣🤣

@darthjarjar5309

10 ай бұрын

Not even worth the huge risk of getting caught and the consequences when the charges are brought and have to live with a bounty on your head. Unlike Organized crime that avoids targeting law enforcement, the biker gangs don’t care who you are. And then you have your own agency suing you for a book you wrote, ungreatful motherf*kers. This should be suing for permanent security detail.

@382u3uuej

10 ай бұрын

It is an amazing example of how the government is 100% at fault for crime, everyone knows who these people are but due to stupid legislation and lack of interest by the government they don't get arrested, look at Bukele in El Salvador, he got rid of the criminal gangs that were worst than in mexico and now is an extremely safe country, the gangs got crushed when someone assumed power and decided to end it, similar cases happen constantly where the state is lenient and crime increases and when it applies the law crime goes down, it's amazing to me that bands of criminals can roam the street wearing a big sign that says "I'm part of a criminal organization" without repercussions due to stupid laws that protect criminals and lack of interest by the state.

I actually read "No Angel", great book that I can really recommend ! I ate it right up, couldn't put it down. The way Jay was treated by the ATF was shameful, he gave so much to the case, but he was an asset, nothing more.

@Nonogrow420

7 ай бұрын

Ftp....💩🔨rats a rat a RAT🔨👿

@AnthonyVanzant

6 ай бұрын

no-offence yet its not a job'description that a legit cop or person of'anytype would take' (whilst it shows little macro-insight to the real'world and the plethora of contrived problems these operations manufacture bƴdèsìgn' so coughing up for the book n'rewarding the innocent n'unnecessary lives that are destroy'd by this kind of pseudo-policing cr*p isnt a wise'choice (just'my opinion yet) its hard to believe that anybody rational could look@any of this as a legit job and/or a legit job welldone' (injussàƴin' ,,,

@slayermill8621

2 ай бұрын

Sounds pretty on brand for the ATF. Another 3 letter fed agency that should be disbanded.

@tazjoplin1733

2 ай бұрын

Typical federal government move.

@sandrapulliam6768

Ай бұрын

All of there infiltrators were treated like this

Every time I see this thumbnail, I keep thinking that's Mike Ehrmantraut.

I believe this was the most honest interview he has given to this day. It was nice to hear him acknowledge that not all members are criminal drug addicts and the club does do things to help the community. That is very true when it comes to kids. Are there members that participate in criminal activity? Im sure there is just like the general public but you can't lump everyone together.

@blantant

18 күн бұрын

I listened to the whole thing and came convinced that the whole thing was a giant waste of taxpayer money. Who are the real bad guys? AFT are the crooks. Defund them.

@jendee1260

Күн бұрын

mexican drug cartels do the same thing…

I remember this guy , he was one tough wide receiver for the University of Arizona. He would go across the middle catch the ball , get his bell rung and then do it again on the next play . A true football badass.

@Ron-ml2mx

Жыл бұрын

Literally Johnny Utah!

@MauriceTarantulas

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ron-ml2mx Except Jonny Utah was a quaterback punk.

@huemann7637

Жыл бұрын

Must be why he was silly enough to be an undercover cop. Guy got the sense knocked OUT of him.

@johnnada1222

Жыл бұрын

@@Ron-ml2mx yeah, that’s who I thought of when I remembered who he was.

@genefogarty5395

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a real genius that repeated behavior resulting in the same outcome while expecting something else. No wonder he was a perfect fit for govt' work.

I work security and the last director we had was also an undercover with some biker gangs back in the 80s and 90s. Dude looked normal, but if you looked at him long enough, you’d get this feeling like he was a bad dude that could hurt you. He was really nice though, and took care of us until he left our team.

@franksir5528

Жыл бұрын

Hey answer me this. Why can The Hell's Angels have a right out in the open club house, but Latin Kings cannot?

@eddyram4932

Жыл бұрын

@@franksir5528 go ask the latin kings🤷‍♂️

@franksir5528

Жыл бұрын

@@eddyram4932 that's a good idea, perhaps I shall

@genefogarty5395

Жыл бұрын

@@franksir5528 One's a gang and the other's a motorcycle club.

@franksir5528

Жыл бұрын

@@genefogarty5395 bullshit

My Dad did this in the 70s after he got back from Vietnam when he was a state narcotics officer and I had some cool photos of him we lost due to one of the many disasters in California. Some wild stories he told me about it.

I lived on the same block as the H.A clubhouse in Edmonton. Our neighborhood had a ZERO % crime rate year-round.

@twally87

28 күн бұрын

well... 0% in the official records, anyway lol

@pauljaramillo1727

9 күн бұрын

Lmaoooooo Canada? Man stfu

@eddiek6390

5 күн бұрын

The Canadian HA is prolly the scariest chapters of HA. There are reasons why there's only one 1%MC in Canada, and it isn't because of the winters.

My dad was the trauma doctor on for the twin peaks shooting. We were eating at Logan’s roadhouse which is within a 500 yards of twin peaks. It was right after church he heard the ambulances looked at his pager and finished his meal that was the last I saw of him for about 3 days straight. Right across the road is Baylor Scott and white Hillcrest so the drive to the hospital was less than 5 minutes

@SidewaysBurnouts

Жыл бұрын

people that were there say that was started by a fed sniper.

@ReckOne559

Жыл бұрын

@SIDEWAYZBURNOUTZ and not a single biker was convicted. Majority of people that were injured were done so by law enforcement. No civilians were hurt either. Interesting isn't it

@SidewaysBurnouts

Жыл бұрын

@@ReckOne559 at some point we have to realize the feds serve the ruling class, the bankers and the secret societies.

@ReckOne559

Жыл бұрын

@@SidewaysBurnouts facts

@trapperensor6608

Жыл бұрын

@@ReckOne559 maybe I don’t know that part I just know it was suppose to be a knife and chain fight and they brought guns

Friends of mine were hired to play and being soundmen at a hell's angels party if I remember well.....They brought around 15 or 20K$ worth of equipment. At one point things went bad. They told the musicians and techs to go in the basement and shut up (or something like that). They spent quite a lot of time there from what I remember, then they got out (I don't know if they were told not to look around or if everything was clear by then.) They gave the guys 20 to 30 k$ or something like that and asked the "Did you see anything strange last night?" where they all said "nope, I don't remember anything weird" and they all went their own way......I've had weird gigs in my life. That one I'm glad I did not get.

@jonnymac8925

Жыл бұрын

Why not? 20-30k to sit in a basement for the night? They also didn't see or hear anything and they all left unscathed so it sounds like a win to me. I can't play any instruments well enough to be in a band but but I'll gladly sign up! Lol but in all seriousness, that's wild and incredibly sketchy

@Lanwarder

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnymac8925 I never said that they did not hear anything.......They've allegedly heard quite a lot.....and I'm not talking only about people arguing lol... I've been in bands most of my life. I never experienced anything like that.....I forgot to be clear about something, they received 20-30k$ but all their gear was.......well, let's say that they didn't get in back and it'd be a safe bet to assume that no one is ever going to use it ever. (Making it as a musician in today's world is such a hard gig that I'd probably happily hide in a bunker for 20/30K$ if it didn't mean that I'd end up losing around 20kS worth of gear that I've spent years selecting.....Gear that is now probably worth more money now than back when I bought it lol and call me weird, I sorta get emotionally attached to my gear, especially my instruments lol (Yeah I know, being emotionally attached to a guitar or an amp is messed up, but all songwriters are messed up to a certain extent in my opinion lol and well, a lot of musicians in general are lol.) Anyways, I'm sorry, it's 7 A.M. over here, spent the night recording then had 2 and a half drinks (I'm trying not to have a huge alcohol tolerance lol)....I then fell asleep, saw your message and somehow decided that now was the right time to answer......probably wasn't the best decision :p, but whatever, I felt like specifying a few things that weren't clear since I should have been a lot more specific and clear about what I wrote in my original message, That mistake is entirely on my and I sincerely apologize. Have a great and hopefully awesome day! Take good care of yourself :)

@greywolf7577

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnymac8925 He'd have to spend most of that rebuying the equipment that was destroyed.

@Whelessry

Жыл бұрын

​@@jonnymac8925 my guess would be a bad fight broke out and someone ended up getting killed. I.e. murder

@tomhamilton1348

Жыл бұрын

Definitely didn’t happen but creative story anyway

Wow, an ATF agent doing something good for the nation? Rare sight.

Very interesting, and even more rare, believable....Thankyou "Insider". I believe this man is honest and I rarely ever think that.

@healthyb-fu5zd

Ай бұрын

He's a lair. And he's good at it. Never trust a fed

In the early '90s I had a custom bike shop in SoCal. I had a few HA as customers. I also had a friend that knew an ATF agent. That agent wanted to do an undercover operations like Dobyns did. My friend asked me if I would talk to this guy because he wanted to pick my brain about what I knew about the club. I declined and told me friend I didn't even want to meet this agent, let alone talk about club life. I had to explain to my friend what a dangerous position that would put me in. I don't think the agent ever got involved with the club.

@browngreen933

Жыл бұрын

Wise decision. I was able to talk my actual brother family member out of joining. He's very glad now because his best friend did join and ended up spending 26 years in prison.

@jamest3002

Жыл бұрын

"We want you to be a part of something that, if it goes sideways, will fall entirely on your head at no cost to us." 😎

@manualspellcorrect9073

Жыл бұрын

@@jamest3002 Sounds like another gang that frequent lodges.

@NemoBlank

Жыл бұрын

Some friends you hang with, some you try not to hang because of.

@JokerInk-CustomBuilds

Жыл бұрын

I used to do security surveillance work for them in my country. Both in clubhouses and high ranking members homes. I wasn't involved in the club either. It was allways a hairline balance to make sure I never owed them anything or got to hear or see things that would give them a pinch on me. But they payed me real well for keeping quiet so it took me a while to slowly work my way out of them calling me when they needed work done... I'd have made the exact same choice you did!

I know Jay, and he loves his family as much as any Dad could. Even fathers can make mistakes, but it is how you continue to love that matters. God bless.

@Captain_Cinnamon

Жыл бұрын

He did his job to provide food on the table... What mistakes.

Jay is the coolest guy ever! He was my first baseball coach growing up.

As a professional shoe maker, I was looking for heels angles, but this'll do.

This interview is a great example of how life can get complicated fast. It's also a great example how the ends are justified for the means, and regular people are often run over as a consequence.

This guy sounds like he honestly enjoyed the outlaw life more than being a fed

imagine if he just took the mission to create fire dad or grandpa lore, all jokes aside w guy for risking his family just to help stop these people commit crimes he even betrayed trust created relationships just for justice. Big respect to him

my dad was a mechanic all his life, he knew people in there and would do work on their bikes back in the day

This is badass. Makes me realize how I could NEVER do this. You have to be a rare caliber of man to do this and pull it off at that

@JonahNelson7

Жыл бұрын

Yeah a fucked up caliber

@FreeAllenWrench

Жыл бұрын

If everyone in society was built like that, it would be a very tortuous world. It takes all kinds.

@jerkchickenblog

Жыл бұрын

bullshit. you just have to live the life and have nothing else to live for. but if you're in law enforcement and want to be known as a badass or are very ambitious, many are willing. a lot of this is talked about like it's some goddamned movie. it's not that. there are moments of high drama but they are rare

@ThePandaAgenda

Жыл бұрын

@@jerkchickenblog bro walking up to an Angels club house after being greeted by 4 armed guards and saying “no, sir, I will not give up my firearm” takes a certain amount of cojones

@nonconformist369

Жыл бұрын

Yeah a true rat deceiver. Gains trust and then shits on everyone.

"I wasn't going to kill anyone punching them in the head." I think it's usually the curb on the way down that does that.

@tylerdouglas480

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao 😂 too right.know ppl doing time for that very thing

@getgot7461

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerdouglas480 That pissed me off too. So much of what he admitted to doing would put people in jail, EVEN IF they had reasonable excuses like he apparently had. But because a cop did it, no problem. Even if it means starting a gunfight where tons of people died that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

@missouricanna640

Жыл бұрын

There was a kid , twenty one years of age that got into a bar fight here in my town. One punch he was dead. Freak accident but it does happen.

ATF never ceases to make bad calls

I remember watching Jay Dobyns talk about this exact experience on the episode of Gangland about The Hells Angels. Good to see he's still around and still speaking on familiar topics!

@privateprivate3767

Жыл бұрын

F*** ATF agents they killed kids at Waco and ruby ridge

@Costa_Conn

Жыл бұрын

How have you got time to watch YT? Back to the maps. 😉

@Chris92881

Жыл бұрын

Gangland was such a great show. That was back in the heyday of Spike TV if I remember correctly. It might be time to bring that one back.

@predac0nmiami

Жыл бұрын

@@Chris92881 I recently re-watched the whole series and it's super outdated and antiquated but it's still super informative and interesting. Also i'm sure Gangs are still a problem in America but I don't think it's on the same level as it used to be too much technology, cameras & facial recognition software to get away with Gang Activity imo on a similar scale as the early 2000's

@bigfishy7816

Жыл бұрын

Good to see still around NOT

Another ATF agent that did this was William "Billy" Queen--he infiltrated The Mongols. Interesting book "Under and Alone"

@genefogarty5395

Жыл бұрын

Embellished is an understatement.

It could be someone else but I think he wrote a book on his experience, it was great!

I live near a former Bandidos club house. Never had anything to do with them, though. Sure, I had casual convos with some people wearing the cut, and I was there when they had their summer parties where the whole neighborhood came together for drinks, dancing, bbq and live music. And it was great fun. Never felt threatened or uncomfortable in any way whatsoever at any point in time. Everyone struck me as really friendly and down to earth. Then suddenly the chapter was banned. The club house was raided by police, and all the insignia were taken down. Allegedly, there were some, lets say "less than savory things" going on behind the scenes, including but not limited to illicit substances and firearms. Other chapters are very much alive still, and they have some charity work going, and are, as one might say, pillars of the community. Many years ago I asked a retired member (who left in good standing when he was in his late 50s) about the notion that "all biker gangs are hardened criminals", he phrased it something like this: "There are circles within circles, my friend...and you want to be careful what circles you get into. When I was a member, there were many who just wanted some fun riding and enjoying the camaraderie. There were lots of good people who had some bad luck in life. They fell on hard times and at some point ended up making the wrong kind of friends that landed them in a bad place. They paid their due to society and served time in prison. Now they try to live on the straight and narrow as good as they can. The club is kinda like their surrogate family. And then there were a small percentage of really bad people. Sure, they were friendly enough on the outside but otherwise they usually stayed to themselves. You had to come to them if you wanted something. They did their own thing most of the time and sometimes those things would end up in the newspapers."

Yea. I read your book. The operation was a giant jerkoff. I forgot the name of the guy in charge but he seemed like he just wanted the clout of running the op instead of actually trying to build a case. Felt bad for Jay when I read it as it sounded like he was used and kept undercover way too long. I think the biggest arrest I recall from the book was sometime who did tattoos for the club threatening Jay after they pulled Jay out to try and prosecute guys. All that being said, Jay seemed like a pretty solid dude. Tough line of work.

@NG-cf7zh

Жыл бұрын

Jay seems like a decent guy who is utterly powerless to his own ego. You’re head of a family and decide to do this prolonged undercover role within a very dangerous organization? A father has two jobs, to protect and provide for his family, and he endangered his family. Glad it worked out but it’s incredibly selfish in my mind

@acidwaste00

Жыл бұрын

it wasnt even a year he said he didnt make it to the yearly vote, and they only bust 50 peeople thats nothing in the scope of things, they should of stayed for 5-10 years and busted entire gang, 5 years is nothing

@Huntbarternsteal

Жыл бұрын

You have read one side of a story from a guy who lies for a living and your on board. Your just as smart as a hells angel apparently. Never trust a man that doesn't drink

@carsonking6199

Жыл бұрын

He’s an ATF agent, that’s worse than any gang member

@sdfsdf2205

Жыл бұрын

@@NG-cf7zh I mean he knew full well what he was going into. It is interesting though, in these situations people fly off the radar, witness protection.. become non existent with their family. However he went all out writing a book, all while still talking to news outlets to this day, why?

Alex Caine's book "Befriend and betray" about his own time as an Hell's Angels undercover is still one of my favourite read. I'm gonna get this one's a go for sure!

such a cool insider. thanks for your story

The most riveting “How Crime Works” by Insider.

This is pretty fascinating and informative. I read Hunter S. Thompson's book back in the day and I've always been interested in the phenomenon of the Hell's Angels. This was a solid interview.

@edwardschmitt5710

Жыл бұрын

Do you know two people need to be involved for an interview?

@valhallaxx

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning that book, I was going to read it years ago after I finished Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas but forgot about it till now.

@Jwlar

9 ай бұрын

@@edwardschmitt5710just because one person is off camera, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. This is still an interview, he is still answering questions from an interviewer.

@gordonlandreth9550

7 ай бұрын

@@valhallaxx It is a very good book but remember that back then the Hells Angels were much different than they are now , or even 30 years ago .

I respect the fact that he mentioned the good things he saw them do too

I enjoyed this, great story. Brave man.

One of my stepdads was in the Hell's Angels, him, his dad, and brother. He was only in there for a little bit when I knew him, he wasnt out bad and still maintained a close connection with a lot of members. On the other hand, his brother was out bad a few years later. From what I was told, he was beaten, dragged out to the desert, beat again, then had all his HA tattoos blacked out. And he had a lot of tattoos.

The family has no idea their life will never be the same. Crazy

Great story.This is is the quickest 20 minutes I’ve ever spent. Thanks for sharing

Ett stort tack för att ni står upp för yttrandefriheten.

Love how they just glossed over that he was an ATF agent 😂😂😂

This is why it’s so hard to bring organisations like the Hells Angels down - to get in you have to become like family members, and if you do succeed in doing that, you then have to betray that family - not an easy thing to do when you’ve invested so much to get to that level with them, and the organisation is very smart in having the minimum 365 day prospect period and processes for full membership - makes infiltration damn near impossible!

@komiks42

9 ай бұрын

I also think that organisation of that scale, and with so many chapters, is near impossible to eleminate. You can cut one head off, but it will regrow before you cut the rest

@joeblow9850

9 ай бұрын

Exactly

@MrCmon113

8 ай бұрын

That's infinitely easier to infiltrate than lots of organizations that are LITERALLY just a family.

@iamgreen2964

8 ай бұрын

I don't see why it would be necessary to eliminate the Hells Angels. There are people that are even worse, being members of even worse organisations, that should be brought down and no one is talking about. Let's start by corrupt politicians, corrupt cops, Neo-Nazis, the KKK, the Pharma industry, Monsanto and so on...

@bossyspaghetti

7 ай бұрын

I'm actually surprised it isn't longer; a year is not really that long to know someone, and a big undercover operation can go a year+ no problem.

Thanks for this great interview. After watching it I've joined the Hells Angel's

@ec_dreamilily

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@onesykaranja2903

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@AshleyNoneya

Жыл бұрын

Lol congratulations

@scotcoberly2013

Жыл бұрын

SURE YOU DID!🤣🤣🤣

@thirtynine3955

Жыл бұрын

Do they let you ride your e-bike?

Jay played football for the University of Arizona back in 1982-‘84. He was a great receiver!!! Guys got guys!!!

made me think of the great series, Sons of Anarchy and Mayans MC...real tough stories like this man's

This man speaks with conviction. Great vid

This was very very interesting to learn.. So much more organized than I realized.. It's insane how deep in these undercovers can and do go..

@JokerInk-CustomBuilds

Жыл бұрын

they do a real good job making ppl think they are just a biker brotherhood by doing community charities etc. they even have YT channels portraying them as brotherhoods that help eachother become better humans and family fathers etc. Its insanely orgnized.... Having seen things from the inside as a contractor I can promise you they are hardened criminals that anyone should stay as far away from as possible...

@JonahNelson7

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to humanity. We’re built for systems and love playing our part in them

As he is sharing his story in my head there are clips playing from the tv series Sons of anarchy.

My mom's next to town in Stacy, MN just opened a new chapter there😂 I already told her the feds are already watching them plenty but local crime will go down real fast. Still beyond confused they bought a mainstreet(literally 1 in town) building to make a clubhouse. They go 5 miles away into Linwood and buy 10 acres nobody would have any clue they were around😅

How is this dude still alive and out in public. Surely he is a target for life. This was only 20 years ago. Crazy he signed up for this.

@jakefavre

8 ай бұрын

Because he was never really in the gang, just an associate pretending to be a member to the public, he never murdered anyone for the club

@potatopobobot4231

8 ай бұрын

​@@jakefavreno

@Justin-pe9cl

7 ай бұрын

@@jakefavreI think he meant from the HA

I normally hesitate to watch videos over 15 minutes. This series is an absolute exception

@squibbelsmcjohnson

Жыл бұрын

Horrible attention span? Lol

@medardbitangimana4580

Жыл бұрын

@@squibbelsmcjohnson exactly

I have more respect for these types than cops and politicians. Did time with a heavy in the 81, we played chess for ramen all the time. Was one of the nicest and most stand up guys I had the pleasure of meeting.

i remember the hells angels donating computers to our school in Colorado when i was little, we even had some come by as guests and tell us about to bad life of drug use and wanted us to not take part it it

I read his book right after I bought my first Harley in 2009. I wasn’t looking to join a gang, but was curious who is out there and how things go so that I can avoid confrontation with them. It’s a good book, and reading it got me interested in other motorcycle gang books. I wish he had gone into more detail about some things in this video, but maybe he wasn’t asked those questions.

@som2596

Жыл бұрын

They are not gangs. They are Clubs.

@Linusgump

Жыл бұрын

@@som2596 what’s the difference?

@giuseppenasca2091

7 ай бұрын

​@@Linusgumpclubs = troublemaker on a superficial level (kinda) Gans = violent criminal organizations

I read No Angels few years ago and couldn’t put it down. Fascinating stuff

The irony of an ATF agents getting pissy about them wanting him to remove his guns.

This was one of the most successful and epic investigations ever with so many ramifications.

Society glorifies and worships Hollywood actors for their betrayals on film but undercover agents have to be considered the best actors in the world because their very lives depend on their performance. Can't imagine the stress his family had to go through because of this case. Thank god there are officers like Jay Dobyns willing to do this dangerous thankless work.

@SpaceRanger187

Жыл бұрын

yes.. Making it seem like every MC is like this is so stupid.. The amount of people I have heard hate on people that ride bikes.. All of this would end if drugs were legal and regulated. Most probaly wouldn't even do them anymore.. no different then drinking before your 21..Notice how everyone isn't an alcoholic after 21.. Because once its legal, its not that fun

A Salute to you , Sir. It takes strong willpower, courage, high sense of integrity, quick thinking ability and forethought.

@mauricamcginnis4063

Жыл бұрын

Ya l am sure it was all worth it just to get a thumbs up by someone like you .

John Malkovich is really going all in on his new biker movie.

@7:13 He’s right about that, I got shot 5 times by rivals and it forever changed my life, I knew what I signed up for but you never think it’s going to happen to you.

To have the presence of mind to hold up to the scrutiny of the gang consistently....knowing that at any moment, one slip could mean your end...

Thank you for your service Sir!

Good to see Mike is well and healthy in Belize.

I got the same ad 3 times in like 5 minutes watching this video

This wasn't long enough. Awesome content

I would watch a full 2 hour doc on this

A lot of people forget that people who join the hells angels more often than not don’t join it to commit crimes, they do it to ride, to meet other people like them, and be part of a community that shares a hobby. It’s not all bad, and like Jay said, they do Toy Drives, Community Service, Blood drives, they care about people. I think more people need to be aware of that

This is fully based on the POV I have from my country, but most of it will probably apply in other countries too: Sad thing about how media portrays MC's is that they only cover the illegal and bad cases that happen and only with big and known clubs. Media is purposefully casting a shadow on entire culture with few "newsworthy" cases. This short documentary is partly in that same category. I live in Finland, theres' 3 clubs whos' name is on the news occasionally and according to my last check there's ≈500 clubs total active in Finland. That's 99.4% not covered in news, but still tried to make look bad. It's like saying that every dog will bite you just because there was few cases of Pit Bulls attacking people. The culture is not based on criminal activity, there's criminal activity in every group of people, not just MCs. The way the media is making people associate club patches to criminal activity is sickening to me. I've been in the MC scene for a decade now and I've got to know people from many clubs, even from the international ones you are probably familiar with. Every single person of them is just like any other people, they have family, job and otherwise totally normal life, but some how the fact that they are in club should make us bad people? Most of us have at maximum a speeding ticket on their criminal record, more than not there's not even that, how are we bad people? Yes, there are people who commit crimes and are in a MC, but there is also way more people commiting those exactly same crimes who aren't in a MC.

@the__void__spaghetti__girl

7 ай бұрын

based

@abdulhadisalk8435

6 ай бұрын

respect

you are now, one of my personal heroes man thank you

There is a great show on HULU right now called Gangland and it talks about Joe Falco and how he worked for the ATF infiltrating the Vagos MC then the Outlaws. It's incredible and worth the watch for sure

@chefmesser420

Жыл бұрын

Show has been around for a looong time

@adamcasey6899

Жыл бұрын

Read the book

@ranger18771

Жыл бұрын

You remind of a younger co worker who said "do you know will Ferrell?" Old news lmao

@Chris92881

Жыл бұрын

It's Charles Falco.

@82566

Жыл бұрын

​@@ranger18771 🤣🤣🤣

My dad grew up in socal and had many hells angels on his street. Said they were the nicest people who would respect you if you respect them.

Very professional channel, makes a good impression

This should be a movie

I love how obviously uncomfortable he became when talking about how the women are treated. He did not wanna get into that aspect of this.

@jendee1260

Күн бұрын

you liked how he didn’t want to open a can of worms on human trafficking post the “me too” era? not exactly cool.

Awesome, thanks!! My cousin was a deep cover narc in the 1970's and I thought that he had some hairy stories ... Also knew a DEA deep cover agent that ended up addicted to heroin because he had to live the life. (He ended up going through a methadone detox ... tough stuff.) I couldn't imagine the commitment to get involved enough to be patched into the Angels, where anybody could call you out.

I've read his book, it was amazing.

His work as a coach probably prevented more crime than his police work. That is actually serving a community

I think he was a hells angel in heart. He was visibly heartbrocken when he mentioned those friendships. Thats what the clubs are for. They are your family.

@vaddykaur

6 ай бұрын

THEY ARE TRASH. HELLS ANGELS ARE CLOWNS.

I was at a steakhouse where the Hell's Angels were having a big dinner and I was in the bathroom and I saw one of them come out the stall and went right back to their table he didn't wash his hands

@wannabe4668

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I can sleep at night after reading your experience

@laikakills6309

Жыл бұрын

Monsters.

@rancon265

Жыл бұрын

He prolly didn't pee on his hands.

@toddgittins5692

Жыл бұрын

He had wipes in his vest.

@user-lh8di9cs7p

Жыл бұрын

That's how you know they're bad to the bone..... savages

The first mistake this man made was working for the ATF.

Great piece!