How the CIA Destroyed the Socialist Internet: Cybersyn, Part 1 | Kernel Panic | Mashable

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In the 1970s, the US government and a group of universities were working on the fastest possible way to connect unwieldy mainframe computers separated by thousands of miles. Their work, the ARPANET, would become the basis for the modern internet. The networks we now depend on still reflect the purpose and worldview of its time and place: open, uncontrolled, and uncontrollable.
But there is another story. A hemisphere away, a group of programmers in Santiago, Chile were building a network of their own. Project Cybersyn had a purpose, ethos, and design completely different from the American network. In the two brief years it lasted, Cybersyn's creators saw the shape of something unique, something that was lost before we ever really learned what it could have meant to a networked world.
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  • @laughingvampire7555
    @laughingvampire7555 Жыл бұрын

    the CIA is the reason why we cannot have nice things.

  • @edwinvargas7969

    @edwinvargas7969

    9 ай бұрын

    CIA don’t act on their own, they work for people, people with money 🤔

  • @WordsAgainstTyranny
    @WordsAgainstTyranny Жыл бұрын

    We will one day have justice for Allende!

  • @jonathansaavedra8135

    @jonathansaavedra8135

    11 ай бұрын

    allende committed suicide

  • @conveyor2

    @conveyor2

    10 ай бұрын

    @@jonathansaavedra8135 ...with the gun Fidel gifted him! Ironic justice served.

  • @ProletarianPower

    @ProletarianPower

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@jonathansaavedra8135I mean yeah, he was gonna be captured and tortured. You present it as if he just decided to kill himself one day.

  • @jonathansaavedra8135

    @jonathansaavedra8135

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ProletarianPower What you say is a lie, there are recordings of the Military during the coup d'état, and at all times they offered to guarantee his life and physical integrity, and to make a plane available to him so that he could leave the country to wherever he wanted.

  • @jonathansaavedra8135

    @jonathansaavedra8135

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ProletarianPower The left says that Allende was assassinated by the military, that is a complete lie, he committed suicide with a gun given to him by Fidel Castro, you only have to listen to his last speech to realize what he was going to do, and he always said that he would take off his life in case a coup d'état occurs... Shortly before being overthrown he said that he was "the meat of statues" LOL

  • @julianbullmagic
    @julianbullmagic Жыл бұрын

    There never was a contradiction between socialism and democracy. The election of Allende demonstrated that a Socialist government can be elected within a largely undemocratic Bourgoise political system.

  • @jonathansaavedra8135

    @jonathansaavedra8135

    11 ай бұрын

    You forget that Allende came to power with just 36% of the vote. That is not representative at all, that is why his government failed... The other 2 candidates were the authentic majority (the right and the political center)

  • @ishredder4006

    @ishredder4006

    9 ай бұрын

    but it also demonstrated that it's not enough to have people voting for you. You must also defend it with brute force because the bourgeois don't hold back.

  • @julianbullmagic

    @julianbullmagic

    9 ай бұрын

    Yes, it's dangerous to underestimate how ruthless these people are. Fascists only think in terms of maximising self benefit.@@ishredder4006

  • @catiline1

    @catiline1

    9 ай бұрын

    Allende misinterpreted his presidential victory. He won by a little more than a third of the vote. What Allende should have done is slowly establish socialism and try to convince the population that his socialist policies was the future of chile. Also not be too aggressive with his foreign policies.

  • @julianbullmagic

    @julianbullmagic

    9 ай бұрын

    @@catiline1 I thought it was a strong coalition of different left wing parties that agreed about most of what he was doing. The USA will try and coup whoever they don't like.

  • @moctezumaaleg2008
    @moctezumaaleg20082 жыл бұрын

    This exactly the reason U.S gets so many immigrants from latin America.

  • @larcomj

    @larcomj

    2 жыл бұрын

    💯everything comes around doesnt it.

  • @PrezVeto

    @PrezVeto

    Жыл бұрын

    How many of them do you think come from Chile?

  • @BirdArvid

    @BirdArvid

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PrezVeto How many of them do you think come from countries whose trajectories have been altered and/or destroyed by the US? Are you aware of the history of US "nation building" in South- and Central-America? Are you aware that every country in Central-America had US involvement since WWII? Mostly anti-democratic and/or anti-popular involvement? And that with two or three exceptions; so did South-America?

  • @Rune-Thief

    @Rune-Thief

    4 күн бұрын

    @@PrezVeto Chile wasn't the only country targeted in operation condor, and other destabilizing operations.

  • @AL_THOMAS_777
    @AL_THOMAS_7772 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting ! And so nice that you mentioned him and his project. There was a wonderful DLF documentary (german radio) about it recently. Sometimes it takes half a century until the truth finally comes to light. It is indeed terrible how the project was so brutally killed off, although it actually worked quite well! And if "THEY" don't want something, then it will be destroyed with violence, weapons and bombs if necessary. By the way, Stafford came across as a great human being in the documentary, he must have been a real g r e a t guy. Just a cool Brit like that. For me personally (as a hobby economist), the programme was in fact an absolute HIGH-light of geman radio - virtually THE highlight of the year !!!!

  • @ig70000
    @ig700002 жыл бұрын

    Funny thing about that short clip about the IRS is that it’s actually from 2022 not the 1970s

  • @marksanders2168
    @marksanders21682 жыл бұрын

    Anglo empires always kok bloking empires because it's scared to compete.

  • @laughingvampire7555

    @laughingvampire7555

    Жыл бұрын

    is the natural development of all empires, the only reason for anything new to prosper against an established system is to develop secretly enough military & intelligence power, like the Arabs did when they start to take over all Roman territory in Africa and Asia.

  • @rajuaditya1914

    @rajuaditya1914

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol, 'scared' to compete. The only democratized technology that ever came out of the Soviet Union or a 'communist' state for that matter was the AK47, which sure received glowing endorsements from the oh so glorious Jihadists. The irony of your mockery is you use an Anglo profile name.

  • @marksanders2168

    @marksanders2168

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rajuaditya1914 literally most of the technology the united states uses now was brought from or adopted from German patents stolen in "operation paperclip".

  • @raemmio2761

    @raemmio2761

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rajuaditya1914 the ussr made the first mobile phone. Invented vaccines like for anthrax. Invented the early version of an artificial heart. First satellite launched successfully. First to get a rover into space and on Mars and Venus. First to invent the multi-stage rocket. Invented llizarov apparatus that is still used today in the medical field. The 40 hour work week. One of the best video games made “Tetris” made in the ussr. Many other things Of course red scare propaganda is something you eat up. Of course you might try to find “counters” to these achievements or just outright ignore them and start using other red scare tactics. At the end of the day most inventions are by the workers.

  • @flaguser4196
    @flaguser4196 Жыл бұрын

    Cool history. I wonder what was Stafford's inspiration for his daughter's name...

  • @alistairwall5470
    @alistairwall54709 ай бұрын

    _Happy birthday to you, here's a military coup. You've five minutes to leave, and your family too_

  • @LordKitchenersKitchenUntensils

    @LordKitchenersKitchenUntensils

    4 ай бұрын

    Was curious if I'd find a citation needed fan here

  • @sebastians783
    @sebastians7832 ай бұрын

    We all know the truth, porfavor, mantengan el secreto solo para el pueblo, no se vendan 🥺

  • @kormak4215
    @kormak42152 жыл бұрын

    nice

  • @k.t.5405
    @k.t.54059 ай бұрын

    min 5:30 isn't it "Chill-uh" NOT "Cheeee-LAAAY" ?

  • @Kilroy_washere
    @Kilroy_washere2 жыл бұрын

    Neat

  • @obniamtubntsuagchannel4507
    @obniamtubntsuagchannel45072 жыл бұрын

    Kv pab koj o 💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍👍❤️👍

  • @MasterKeyMagic
    @MasterKeyMagic Жыл бұрын

    sOcIaLiSm dOeSnT wOrK

  • @CarlosMustafaMontez

    @CarlosMustafaMontez

    Жыл бұрын

    State Capitalist Imperialists won’t let it work

  • @MasterKeyMagic

    @MasterKeyMagic

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CarlosMustafaMontez I know

  • @conveyor2

    @conveyor2

    10 ай бұрын

    It works for socialists...for a while.

  • @MasterKeyMagic

    @MasterKeyMagic

    10 ай бұрын

    @@conveyor2 yeah until capitalists bomb, sabotage, destabilize, blockade, embargo, infiltrate, us and do everything in their power to make sure nothing ever rivals them.

  • @Kj16V

    @Kj16V

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@conveyor2Americans uniquely can't tell the difference between socialism and communism. Everyone else can, just Americans.

  • @obniamtubntsuagchannel4507
    @obniamtubntsuagchannel45072 жыл бұрын

    Kv pab koj o py koj pab kv o py koj

  • @Dunbar0740
    @Dunbar0740 Жыл бұрын

    Britain elected a Socialist government in 1945. The Socialist government was voted out of power in 1951, then voted in again in 1964... Democracy and Socialism work fine when everyone abides by the democratic rules of the game.

  • @smileyp4535

    @smileyp4535

    Жыл бұрын

    Socialism is democracy, it just actually wants it everywhere, including the workplace so you would vote for your boss and such, that's why capitalists hate it and assassinate socialists when they are elected and tell people it's a dictatorship, there's a reason they talk about Stalin all the time and not people like Fred Hampton and Salvador Aliende

  • @Zhicano

    @Zhicano

    Жыл бұрын

    The labor party was social democratic. Their aims were to improve workers conditions and not upset the economic mode of production.

  • @Dunbar0740

    @Dunbar0740

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Zhicano The Labour Party was Democratic Socialist. Unlike Social Democrats the Labour Party had a commitment to the common ownership of production. When they came to power in 1945 they nationalized infrastructure, transport, heavy industry, utilities, education, healthcare, housing, etc... Their aim was to create a Socialist country within the framework of the existing rule of law and with the consent of the people via the democratic process.

  • @Zhicano

    @Zhicano

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Dunbar0740 Social democratic parties have a tendency to do all that you said but their stated goals were never to make any attempt to transform British society's class relationship. Capitalism was still the name of the game, developed welfare programs are amenities either granted by the ruling capitalist class or fought for through political struggle by the working class. Chile was still very much a capitalist society during Allende's time but his political program was succinctly put he wanted a socialism with Chilean characteristics where the working class were put front and center.

  • @frogstrap

    @frogstrap

    Жыл бұрын

    Social Democrats aren't Socialists (even though Europeans have used the terms interchangeably). Labour was heavily anti-communist and never wanted to transform society into something post-capitalist, they merely want friendlier capitalism, welfarism.

  • @sebastians783
    @sebastians7832 ай бұрын

    All lies 🙋🏻‍♂️

  • @PrezVeto
    @PrezVeto Жыл бұрын

    A country choosing to set off toward socialism democratically and a socialist society _remaining_ democratic are two very different things. Chile's envisioned transition to central planning didn't progress anywhere near far enough to provide any evidence to rebut the conceptual arguments for democratic socialism's practical impossibility.

  • @ColtraneTaylor

    @ColtraneTaylor

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, but India was a socialist democracy. And while Indira Gandhi made it a police state for 2 years she was also the one to relinquish power and allowed herself to be defeated in the elections. Still was politically a better place than America has been all these decades waging war on foreigners and citizens alike.

  • @Srijit1946

    @Srijit1946

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ColtraneTaylor look at this guy's playlists. He watches PragerU, and so many other conservative pundits and grifters. It's not like he would believe the evidence he wants to see even if it existed. Chile was socialist for around 3 years, not a few weeks or months. Something which is "practically impossible" cannot last for that long. Salvador Allende genuinely believed in democracy, if anything he had way too much faith and should have been more pragmatic. Allende's democratically elected socialist government was overthrown and replaced with a genocidal, totalitarian capitalist dictatorship. There are conceptual arguments for why capitalism is incompatible with democracy, as democracy is supposed to be one person = one vote, but capitalism is one dollar = one vote (this is very simplified, of course, but conveys the point). The fact that the USA is basically a two-party corporate duopoly where lobbying (read: bribing) is such a common practice and the average person gets to choose between the socially liberal representative of the capitalist class with a blue tie or the socially conservative representative of the capitalist class with a red tie with little difference in economic and foreign policy is a testament to this fact. Capitalism always turns into something resembling this if it is not successfully resisted by labor movements. Btw, if you're interested in a rigorous Marxist analysis of India, I recommend you check out BlackFlag India's video-essay series "The C-Word".

  • @ColtraneTaylor

    @ColtraneTaylor

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Srijit1946 Thanks, I've seen alot of Vijay Prashad but that looks like an interesting channel, will check it out. I'm not Marxist or materialist but I agree with it to some great extent. The US is beyond help and so is the UK.

  • @supermanlycool

    @supermanlycool

    Жыл бұрын

    If it's so impossible why does the CIA seem to have such a problem with it?

  • @laughingvampire7555

    @laughingvampire7555

    Жыл бұрын

    bs, you don't even know what democracy is.

  • @ronbalo2261
    @ronbalo22612 жыл бұрын

    Lol this video is so historically inaccurate and not an accurate account of history 😂. Plz read history outside of ideological BS

  • @KhurramMumtaz13

    @KhurramMumtaz13

    2 жыл бұрын

    And youtube comments too.

  • @virbricky

    @virbricky

    2 жыл бұрын

    Right cause Nixon was just a reputable stand up guy 🤣🤣

  • @ronbalo2261

    @ronbalo2261

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@virbricky hey im not saying what he did was right but the ends dont justify the means

  • @jakejohnson4859

    @jakejohnson4859

    2 жыл бұрын

    ghoul

  • @Srijit1946

    @Srijit1946

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is projection, this is not even a socialist channel. It's sad how you cannot engage with any of the things said in this video, let alone refute any of it. All you can do is come up with this knee-jerk reaction. Sad! There's not a single account of history which is not ideological, some accounts are more accurate than others, but when you think you're above ideology you're the most consumed by it. It seems like you don't have an ideology when your ideology is the dominant ideology. The so-called "Cold War" and what happened in Chile (or/and, to Chile) was incredibly political and ideological, any documentary on it which claims to be apolitical or non ideological is simply deceiving the the audience, intentionally or otherwise.

  • @filipskalic3376
    @filipskalic3376 Жыл бұрын

    Yes Comrade 😂 lets blame westerners for our incompetence and corruption

  • @lompocus

    @lompocus

    Жыл бұрын

    They're Chileans, they're literally blond haired blue eyed white European Aryans ubersalles by definition.

  • @FRISHR

    @FRISHR

    Жыл бұрын

    Chile's incompetence and corruption are funded by the CIA to begin with

  • @laughingvampire7555

    @laughingvampire7555

    Жыл бұрын

    there was a lot of corruption in the USSR, not in Allende's administration, the collapse of Allende was 100% work of the CIA

  • @filipskalic3376

    @filipskalic3376

    Жыл бұрын

    @@laughingvampire7555 yes comrade, and work of kgb included planting daisies! Those sneaky evil cia antagonists , how dare they !

  • @filipskalic3376

    @filipskalic3376

    Жыл бұрын

    @@laughingvampire7555 alende was a chatolic saint and chegevara fought for lgbt rights ! Fight the powa !!!

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