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@Jericho-xs3ju

8 ай бұрын

This video said nothing but the church offers nothing. Which is true. Biblical marriage has the answers but secular legal marriage and the church are so far gone it’s survival at this point. A lot of m g t o w I hear say don’t trust women. Which is good and to avoid women all together because of the laws against women. Gods intent is as for us to have large families clans and nations. So we have all lost.

it's great that we waited until the collapse of civilization to acknowledge that these problems exist.

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

Even in the face of all of the evidence that is out there for everyone to plainly see a vast majority of people are still denying that these are problems even at the collapse of civilization. Your comment should have vastly more likes

@adamwalker2377

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. The Christian men would have put a stop to it all the way back at Seneca Falls. Look it up. There were some churchmen who tried.

@Chrisspoerl

Жыл бұрын

Good name. Reading the LLX has been amazing and revealing.

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Yep lol Oh well, millenials and onward get to suffer a lonely existence until the collapse. It is what it is. Someone had to be alive during a collapse, and it just so happens to be all of us.

@SicMundus7

Жыл бұрын

right 😆

He's not wrong. That's why Father's Day sermons will bash fathers while Mother's Day sermons are all flowery and praise. The Bible says that there is no love like a father's love. That needs to be taught on Father's Day.

@keithsantana145

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@jackwilley9847

2 жыл бұрын

When men turn to other men for their theological beliefs God the Father and his word are made in effectual. That is what has been going on for many many years. Our modern church is hypocrisy, extreme skepticism and extreme dogmatism

@A-Arons

Жыл бұрын

Amen 💯

@luken4072

10 ай бұрын

Feminism has crept into the church incredulously. Sadly many pulpits will cower to the angry misandrist mob in a heartbeat should they revolt

I used to warn Christian men to avoid marriage, I never thought I d see the day I had to warn them against going to church, or at least 95% of churches

@MoonMoon-fx1op

10 ай бұрын

Why would you tell a man to avoid the very things God created? Sounds off to me

@vinnievu1

2 ай бұрын

​@@MoonMoon-fx1opYour question tells me you didn't watch or listen to these videos. I recommend you do.

@MoonMoon-fx1op

2 ай бұрын

​@@vinnievu1 problem is Christ isn't the center and men want to be and gets mad when they are not. All I hear is selfishness. Once again, why tell a man to stay away from something GOD has created?

As a 27 year old dude grew up without a father this is dead on

@JAKEBrakeModel94

2 жыл бұрын

As a 28 year old with a father this is still dead on 👍🏽

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Love and appreciate my father, but my entire family was basically the "happy wife, happy life" kind of people. I never got to see a woman get push back of any real caliber; everything revolved around my aunts, grandmother and mother. While it was a loving family overall, it still felt very strange throughout my teenage years as my awareness better developed. And now at 35, I fully understand, as the weak failure I allowed myself to become, that a man was meant to lead, and it was not natural for most of my family to let the women completely walk over them. It destroyed most of my cousins and I am still a virgin with no prospects for marriage despite wanting one. Yes, we are to blame for our own shortcomings, but I have to wonder how 15~ men all came to the same general problem from the same belief systems. We were raised to be feminine, and that is what we became. A bunch of feminine men who took too long to try and become more masculine, and now most of us get to die alone with the burden of needing to forgive out parents and family, and continue to love them despite not being equipped with any tools of real value to surviving the real world.

@browserboy1984

Жыл бұрын

​@@someone-ji2zbwomen often find men 40-50 to be the most attractive. You've got plenty of time. My family is the same, as I would assume most men's families are. All the guys walk on eggshells around the women, which absolutely destroys the entire family. Describing forgiveness as a burden we now have to bear is spot on. We will need to forgive. We shouldn't have had to do it, but we will have to, nonetheless.

@_BirdOfGoodOmen

3 ай бұрын

​@@browserboy1984lol stats show women typically prefer men at their own age, maybe a year or two older or younger. Age differences if there are any are typically no more than 5 years at most for married couples. This "Oh you'll be most attractive in your 40s and 50s" is misleading *at best*.

@browserboy1984

3 ай бұрын

@@_BirdOfGoodOmencite two journals where you found these stats. I know you cannot paste links in YT comments, so just give me the names of the journals and articles, unless, of course, you are making this up.

I am a husband and father. I am currently the only baptized one but i have been modeling Christ like behavior(not perfect though). so one area that is very visible to my family is praying at meals. it used to be just me but after I was consistent one day as i finished praying i looked up and my daughters were doing the same as me and praying. i cried for joy and pray i keep them going in the path of Jesus. God is good. now they argue about who is going to say amen! lol

@kinnieware9309

3 жыл бұрын

Praise the Lord! That alone is a miracle brother! May God continue to bless you and all of yours in Jesus name. Amen

@deeveevideos

3 жыл бұрын

@@kinnieware9309 thank you and God bless you!

@deeveevideos

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccasthought2443 thank you for that.

@conservativemovement

3 жыл бұрын

❤❤❤

@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272

3 жыл бұрын

Good - stand firm - the example of a parent helps them for life - Christ sustains.

Since the time I started paying attention to the sermons, and even now... Mothers day= The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Fathers Day= you need to do more and do it better because you are failing. I am sick of jumping through the hoops and nothing is ever good enough.

@rdptll

8 ай бұрын

^this

@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf

4 ай бұрын

I call Mother's Day in the church "Worship Women Day." On that day, typically, not enough praise can be piled on women, including extolling the incredible virtues of single mothers. They are "heroes." Then come Father's Day, look out men, the hammer is coming down hard--it is time to "man up" or else. I have actually been told that if you extol fathers on Father's Day, it will hurt the feelings of many women in the congregation. This is termed "emotional blackmail."

What we view as "masculine" has completely changed in recent years. I was recently speaking with one of my fellow church elders, (a really good dad) about a recent visit to our town by Kyle Rittenhouse, (of Kenosha shooting fame). My friend was telling me about how he was trying to explain how "wrong" and "unwise" Kyle was for being in Kenosha that fateful night. He mocked Kyle for being too "gung ho" because he was involved in the local PD's "Explorer" program, since he wanted to be a first responder someday. He basically admitted that while Kyle was found innocent of m-rder, he was still basically the "bad guy" because he went to where the trouble was. And then I heard Kyle's interview; how after he had finished his day job as a lifeguard, he had traveled the 15 minutes to Kenosha, (where his dad lives), was LEGALLY carrying a rifle, (the only kind of firearm he could have to defend himself), was handing out water and administering first aid, even to the protesters...had cleaned the graffiti off of an elementary school and kept watch outside a business that had asked for his help in "keeping an eye". Then when attacked by violent, repeat-offending felons and child rapists, a shooting occurred. And I started thinking about things...this kid would've been the epitome of young men from about 1955 back. Yes, it was "unwise" for him to go to Kenosha. But my question was; "where were all the men, the police, the christians and the churches to defend their communities???" Why was it left for a young man to do what grown MEN should have been doing? And this kind of "kid" was EXACTLY what responded to the calls in our revolution and during WWII. Now, he's even mocked by other Christian men....

I've long held the opinion that 'Single' men are not welcome in church.

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t remember the name of the video but Kevin Samuels had a great video a while back about that subject. Something along the lines of why Man left the church or why men are leaving the church. It was a couple hour video

Dude as a man grown up as a Christian and wanting to be this nice guy I was suppose to be failed me and made me bitter. But I got ahold of pick up artist and it changed my life. Yes it can be used bad but used correctly showed me how to be a man and the truth of women and how to treat them. And be the leader and love them still. Changed my life so much more for the better and gave me confidence the church didn’t know how to do because they caught up in that just be a servant it’s all your fault

@mequint2000

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to teach others to "dwell with your wife with understanding" when you have no clue about, nor how to interact with, nor acknowledge the frailties of the woman.

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

@@mequint2000 but women are perfect! At least that’s the idea you would get from listening to Sunday sermons

@GGg-sr3ph

2 жыл бұрын

@@mequint2000 you get much better advice on women from rolls tomassi than from some soy preacher.

Fuck, this hits hard. My preacher used to say this: every problem in the marriage is the man's fault. My buddy's dad was there. His wife had left him and their children for another man. It was a strange thing, as an 8 year old, to watch a grown man's heart break on the front pew in a Wednesday night Bible study. You're spot on about how we were supposed to fix our broken relationships though. Like Boxer in Animal Farm, to put our shoulders to the weight, saying only, I must work harder. Maybe we need preachers who actually have common sense, not ascended nerds from seminary. Maybe it's too late for Christianity.

@Coke_Addiction

2 жыл бұрын

When professional Christianity was created a conflict of interest was also created.

@jk-califkid5017

Жыл бұрын

If pastors chastised women from the pulpit, they would be run out of town on a rail (by the women).

@robinsanders431

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but that was the women’s fault right there, not his. You can’t fix a broken woman.

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

@@robinsanders431 Yea, pretty sure that was the point rofl

@browserboy1984

Жыл бұрын

It's probably too late. Still, there is no other real option than to follow Jesus.

Im glad I joined the Army at 17. Taught me how to endure in my suffering and push further than what I thought I was capable of. I've been a flawed broken man for a decade after but at least I carried that with me. Now faith in God and his word is my strength.

At 26 years old I am acutely aware of the lack of biblically nuanced masculinity. I am fortunate to live in an area that leans more blue collar, which is to say men who have a measure of many of the traits godly men need, but even in this area I see a lack of initiative in regard to the things of God (i.e. evangelism, raising up other men per Titus 2, prayer, teaching the word, etc). Unfortunately my background within my family doesn't leave me with a sense of what it should look like, but it does (at the very least) provide a clear picture of what it doesn't need to look like. We need 'be strong and courageous; stand up and act like men' kind of men. We need men who don't outsource the biblical training of their kids to youth programs. We need men who are actively pursuing the Great Commission. We need men who stand up, with courage, and act like men as God defines it. I'm not working with a full deck of cards myself but by the scriptures and what good things I can observe in men around me I am trying to piece together a correct, accurate, full-orbed masculinity that initiates, charges forth even in abject terror, says what needs to be said when it needs to be, does what is necessary when it is, and reflects godly masculinity. A brother in the faith from Trinidad has shared very similar sentiments. And as an aspiring missionary I feel strongly that if we don't get our national "house" in order as Christians we will be in dire straits before God as we have an unprecedented and unfathomable influence on other cultures.

@SQUISHBUBBLE

2 жыл бұрын

Well said brother

Very true. Unfortunately the church has neglected men for far too long and I believe it has something to do with many churches’ desire to conform to the secular world in order to “fit in”.

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

Also adopting the ideology of believe all women.

@GGg-sr3ph

2 жыл бұрын

@@crimsondraak3024 church has adopted feminism. They simply don’t want to offend the sensibilities of women.

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

@@GGg-sr3ph Yea, that is the only thing to be said. Feminism has been involved with most churches for decades now. Female leadership, feminine teaching styles from male pastors, there is almost nothing to learn from church, and in fact I would say that in many (perhaps most) cases you will learn more from the Bible in your own studies and research than you will from these churches in the current day in the US

@normansawatzky4778

8 ай бұрын

​@@someone-ji2zband Canada

This is dead on. I grew up fatherless. I absolutely needed this under my roof I grew up in. I made a promise that if I was ever blessed with fatherhood that I would be there for our kids. Well, its been 16 years of marriage and 2 kids. It's been a challenging experience but we all live under the same roof. One of the Pastor's of our Church started a mens bible study which I have been attending for about 4 years. It's sort of an outlet for discussion on mens challenges and although not perfect, it absolutely helped me with mens challenges, prayers and of course bible study.

We do not live in an egalitarian society; we live in a matriarchy; Just visit your local family court. Women do not want to attend churches that emphasize men's authority in the home. Women will drag their husbands out of such churches; I saw this in the reformed Episcopalian church I attended in the mid to late nineties.

@michaeldavis2039

2 жыл бұрын

Correct, it takes two to Salsa...I learned this practically as a Salsa dancer in the dance world. If there are 2 leaders then there is no dance; if there are 2 followers then there is no dance. Only when there is one lead and one follow does dance occur. Biblically, women from the time of the Fall in Genesis 3, DON'T WANT to follow men since Satan's rebellious plan all along was to flip God's order so that women balk at masculine men who lead. Feminism has been fueling that rebellious nature in women for decades. The women need just as much Biblical correcting as the men.

@CouncilOfDort

2 ай бұрын

That’s an oxymoron “reformed Episcopalian 🤣. Any woman that would want to drag her husband from a Bible believing church is probably not regenerate.

I get preached to by the sibling all the time, "If there is something bothering you, speak up about it". The problem is, whenever it is spoken, it feels demonizing because these are the same people who will damn you for speaking up. So you just suffer in silence to the toxic positivity. She will never understand how much of a pawn she is to our mother--a control freak.

The church not only offers men nothing, most pastors won't tackle wives in the church who are actively trying to take their husband's God ordained headship away from them. Pastors won't touch this. Because they won't, it hurts men in the home. Look at church websites: you'll find that most churches have a women's Bible study but nothing for the men. Churches are decorated for women.

Imagine hearing this as an Anglican. And it resonates. Strongly.

How about it’s just boring. Are there any guys like me that see the beauty and need for the gospel but the routine of church service is painstakingly boring. I wish I could go to church... hear a meaningful sermon that teaches me about God and be on my way encouraged.

It is popular to talk about MGTOW as though it is some abandonment of responsibility. My experience is that it is more a rejection of the exactly what this clip talks about - the expectation that men can be held responsible for things that they are given no ability to do, and are given no reward for trying It is a rejection of the idea that men are serfs, expected to labour without ceasing and without compensation. Even talking about “servant leadership” in this context is a lie, unless we recognise that the ultimate servant-leader - Christ - is also LORD. Christ has authority. Christ is honoured. It is not a one-way transaction in which we get the benefits of Servant-Leadership without giving obedience and reverence in its turn.

@TheSecondAdam

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@TheSecondAdam

Жыл бұрын

Christ said give up everything (your ego, your way, your desires, your lofty plans) and follow me. The followers loved him, were obedient and listened to their Lord and followed his example and submitted to his rebukes.

I generally would get the vibe from the pulpit in their messages to men as "Even though you're doing everything right, you're still doing everything wrong!" How is this encouraging? I would listen to these messages and bear the weight of what I thought a Christian man should be. Where was this freedom trying to live in the Spirit of the Lord?

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

Your testimony is definitely underrated. I have seen variations of that testimony from Christian man in the comment sections of MGTOW videos

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Yea I remember hearing that stuff as a teenager in the mid 2000s and wondering what the point of it all was if I would always be the problem despite my efforts. It had an impact on me, and while I would not recommend it, I am now a 35 year old, unmarried virgin who never really could quite handle the weight of everything being shoveled on me. To be fair, that could just mean I am a weak man and have failed completely on my own, but most of my memories that stick are the ones like that.

All men need is the following verse: Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

@nathanreed2087

3 жыл бұрын

But if you really looked for it, would you still care about the old things you wished for? So ironically one who really seeks the kingdom wouldn’t care about the things added. And the one who seeks things added would never have them added, because he would be “seeking” the kingdom for the wrong reason. The wrong reason being reward, be that material or self-image.

@BunBunontheRun

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanreed2087 God is not a genie. I do not seek the kingdom of God to have my wishes fulfilled. I seek it, so that I can live right and bring about a heaven on earth. The things added are not material. Remember we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with spirits and wickedness in high places. When you seek the kingdom of God the things added unto you are spiritual.

@MrShowwoff

3 жыл бұрын

It's a great start, but not an any way complete. Study to be approved; Farmer-Athlete-Soldier development; Love like Christ did for the Church; etc... All this to develop trust through consistency. Once again, Great starting verse.

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

I do not disagree with you, but the issue being discussed is how a man gets taught the principles behind such an idea. I love God, but how do I truly seek His kingdom above all else with no support from anyone what so ever and never being equipped with anything other than my own miserable failures? What does it mean to seek? How does one know if they are already seeking it or not? We are never promised an easy life, a life of luxury, a spouse, or anything for that matter. We are told that he will help us survive so that we can continue serving, but that obviously does not mean we will be kept alive for the sake of that; if we die we die. If we suffer as we serve, then we suffer as we serve. It isn't such an easy topic. One of the most important things we need to keep in mind, is how we can convey a selfless idea to children/teens in a way that promotes hope, rather than a dim outlook on their future. Unfortunately, what has happened in recent decades was the confusion of our youth and making everything seem dim; their minds were clouded and they were thrust into adulthood with little to no real guidance to help a believer weather the storm.

This explains why after reading Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules For Life, I felt like it was the best book on sanctification I’d ever read. Even as he is not a believer and his worldview is largely evolutionary.

@TheRealMonnie

3 жыл бұрын

Good news, Peterson accepted Christ as savior recently 😊

@vibeauxssxuaebiv3489

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealMonnie According to what or who? I was very much a listener of his content since 2017 until I started to switch to almost exclusively Christian sources when I really came into the motivation to actually believe and pursue a fellowship with Christ. I would love to see Peterson make that final step as he seemed to be getting increasingly closer to the truth.

@D.O.R.E.I

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealMonnie I heard the took the mark of the beast (Covid-19 jab)

@moisesbeyond

2 жыл бұрын

@@D.O.R.E.I the mark of the beast where is the bible says is a Jab? it is been part of the political system not a medical procedure.

@mysty0

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealMonnie Jordan Peterson became a Catholic.. apparently.. the facts of the matter is Jordan Peterson is a Jesuit snakewith an agenda, always was

God is working on Jordan Peterson... Pray for him

This is more needed now than ever before. I, for one, look forward to more regarding this subject.

@josiew3120

3 жыл бұрын

Is it appropriate here to say, "Me, too!"?

God raise up strong leading men! We need you guys!

@mysty0

Жыл бұрын

if he did you would only cut them down and call them toxic .. so spare us your false prayers

@lisagill7968

Жыл бұрын

@@mysty0 assuming you know me isn't helping to you. I have seven brothers whom are all strong men raising their families with Christ at the head, as my father did and so as my husband is. I respect them and support them.

@mysty0

Жыл бұрын

@@lisagill7968 all effeminate men as all Christian men are, as the Bible commands them to be and the Church enforces.. it would seem God hates masculinity as much as our modern Government.. I guess thats why God has empowered the feminists war on masculinity and empowered feminists to take over the church

Let's not forget my favorite: if your wife cheats on you, it's your fault men.

@trailtrs1

3 жыл бұрын

That’s because the “pastors” are simps

@trailtrs1

3 жыл бұрын

@@chickenheart896 Women control sex in marriage. One of the prime issues I’ve counseled with marriages is the fact that women once married decide that they dont need to put out anymore. That indeed does destroy a marriage

@robertfishter2862

3 жыл бұрын

@@trailtrs1 Letting yourself get so fat that your husband doesn't want sex anymore destroys a marriage too.

@trailtrs1

3 жыл бұрын

@@chickenheart896 I didn’t say sex before a marriage was ok. I just said what I said. Don’t add implications to what I said

@trailtrs1

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertfishter2862 That’s part of it. The goal is to land the Gish (husband) and then many let themselves go because they are in “the cat birds seat” and no matter what happens to the marriage they hit the lotto in life. Meg provides if they stay married, and the state forces him to provide snd support her if they divorce

Anyone who thinks that “men struggle with interpersonal” relations, should read the Gospels with an eye to the number of times that Christ was angry - both with his opponents and his disciples. If a man is angry and impatient, you call that “inappropriate” and “poor personal skills”, yet Christ was NEVER inappropriate. These are very appropriate responses to sin and foolishness. The failure, here, is to recognise that men are not some form of broken women, and that the male style of communication is not somehow less..... but that as a society we have become so fragile and lily-livered that we can’t tell a woman that she is wrong, can’t tell foolish people that their feelings are “deceitful above all things and desperately wicked , or that their opinion is without value if it is not supported by evidence and logic.

As a former reformed Presbyterian. Now Orthodox Christian. I found this helpful.

I've not come across a church which follows the very clear rule of women not being permitted to teach in the church.

Yes, this a informative piece of information. I’m watching the utube piece. Just over 7 min.

Thats last statement was so utterly profound

The church just hits me with platitudes and it makes me sad.

@brycerutledge4396

Жыл бұрын

Amen

i wouldn't bash Peterson so quickly. as far as i understand he has always kept his eye on Scripture as a good resource for living a proper life. now more recently he has emotionaly talked about Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and how Jesus is the perfect role model for mankind. maybe we should pray for him as it appears that God/Jesus are working on his heart.

@TheRealMonnie

3 жыл бұрын

I saw a video where he said he's astonished that he actually believes in Christ

@paulwiederhold7629

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealMonnie it's my understanding that his wife became a believer at some point; maybe before or during his health troubles, and now it is even more facsinating andnrealmfor him.

@radman6047

3 жыл бұрын

Pray for him is the best advice.

@trailtrs1

3 жыл бұрын

True

@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah his lip service for his wife but never from his own heart - I would not defend a Luke warm mouthpiece like Peterson all the time - he has the same tragic problem like Camus exactly the same dramatic pride of his own mind.

Intellectual conversation on the state of men in the church, over a glass of bourbon, in cowboy boots…instant follow!

Well spoken points Doug and Aaron - A lot of men, including myself, finally have something to say "Aha, that's precisely it!" to after watching this. I binged most of Man Rampant Season 1 early on but rehearing these snippets makes me realize just how on the pulse they are about this. As Aaron mentions in the video, men do tend to naturally struggle with the interpersonal stuff so identifying the exact feelings in the first place, that are associated with just what it is that unsettles us about the way of the church at the moment is draining and demoralizing. Men need tools, and good tools at that - We also can spot a good quality tool for a bad one a mile away, or at least, we find out quickly the hard way - to which it is no surprise the secular mens movements are far more agile and bold in trying new things and see what does/does not work for the men in their community, in real time. The church on the other hand, has no idea what to do with men of "raw material" and shoves them into servant leadership ministries centred around what the women want to do.

As a conservative French man living in Canada. I pity North Americans. I love my kids and my wife but authority and service come together. Challenging the wife’s rhetoric comes with admitting your wrongdoings and giving a vision. Men want peace without having goals. It never works. My father was in the military and I am from a family of 5 kids and I have 5 kids myself. Evening or morning devotion is a must. Worship and and cardboard game with limited screen time is part of our culture. Reading a lot and doing combat sports as well. I find North American fighting to get their kids out of the virtual world into the material world to help out… year they have no clues that they are into the material rat race world and they should have first gone into the spiritual world..

So what do we have to address this. Have been saying this since I was 18 I'm now 31! This is getting old. Has went on WAY TOO LONG with NO ONE addressing it!

The lack of worldly knowledge from church leaders I’ve interacted with is staggering. They can’t relate to modern men and aren’t educated in much other than scripture. For example, no body in the military seeks help from Chaplains - social workers, counsellors, psychologists (the secular world) is unfortunately who they trust more.

The problem with the modern church is the Gospel not being preached. It's really that simple

Well articulated.

@TheRealMonnie

3 жыл бұрын

@@blipflorn6453 as are yours, sir. ... and mine ...

This is completely correct. Men need practical instructions about how to actually do the good things they want to do. How can you chide a man for falling prey to pornography when you steadfastly refuse to tell him -how- to resist it? Teenage me needed a trick for making an attack of lust go away much more than an hour long diatribe on how bad lust is.

@Benjaminy2k

3 жыл бұрын

I eventually found such a trick: focus on flexing a muscle in your leg. Flex and relax that muscle until the attack passes.

@nathankinman7753

Жыл бұрын

Watch some KZread videos of people who came out of the porn industry.

i am so grateful for the content Canon Press outs out! i am the oldest of 5 siblings, i definitely saw the effects of how the church failed to provide resources or tools for my 3 brothers. we grew up without a dad. and the opportunity the church had to teach us what biblical men should look like was grossly mishandled. but thank God for His grace and merch, He redeems all things through Christ. don’t lose heart men!

@GGg-sr3ph

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you know what biblical men should look like. Some little girl makin faces in her camera doesn’t know how men should act. Women seriously need to stay in their lane.

@mysty0

Жыл бұрын

God doesnt care about men, the Church is preaching exactly what God commands.. to be submissive and effeminate.. this lowers mens testosterone and turns them in low labido men who's wives be screwing their coworkers to get some satisfaction .. trust me.. soon you also will be screwing your coworkers because you've ground your husband down to dust in his bones .. its a biological imperative that women like masculine men

So what are the tools for Christian men?

@johornbuckle5272

2 жыл бұрын

Knowledge of bible doctrine. Love: not romantic love, love based on your attributes of doctrinal knowledge. Can you love your wife as Christ loves tje church, in that Christ gave himself for the church, based on his own attribute of love. Can you lead and initiate; gen 3:16 says you are to rule over your wife. Will she submit to your authority; use her submission by being worth her respect. Do not allow her to wear mens clothing and she must wear a head covering in the assembly. Insist on longer hair and keep yours shortish. Work hard and keep her busy. Get chickens, way better than flowers, they pay for their 'keep

@joygibbons5482

Жыл бұрын

@@johornbuckle5272 Gilead

@vinnievu1

Жыл бұрын

From church? Mostly servant leadership and to care for women. From secular areas? One of them says make muscles, make more money, be more social (and flirt), be steadfast and immovable in your convictions and actions.

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

@@vinnievu1 Which is funny, because while secular men are providing that info, it is also biblically taught that we should remain strong physically, develop charisma for the glory of God, be capable of providing for a family, and also be more steadfast in your convictions (that being of biblical principle). Yet churches wont really talk about those things as much. You'd think with the obesity problem that more sermons would bring up gluttony and how we should remain capable to defend our families and communities. But nope.

"If momma ain't happy, God ain't happy."

The modern church has capitulated to emotion instead of adhering to Gods word. It has traded the definition of Meek and switched it with Weak. Jesus drove out the money changers.... He didn't do it with hugs and kind words..... He whipped theiry're asses and trashed theiry're booths like a prize bull in an antique store....

@rockkstah2550

3 жыл бұрын

Luv your comment! It’s not super spiritual holier than thou, and it’s not super practical with lack of common sense either. It’s just right!👍🏼

@joshhigdon4951

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. Well said

@finnfinn2381

3 жыл бұрын

God is the most intolerant of all, if the assumption that Christianity is true.

@joshhigdon4951

3 жыл бұрын

@@finnfinn2381 I agree if you mean intolerant of sin. Lucky for us however, His patience is mercyiful. We are very tolerant of sin because by nature we love it.

@Razaiel

3 жыл бұрын

This. It wasn't until I fell away from the Church that I actually started learning what Jesus actually said & meant. The cultural & historical context in the Bible must be known before you can really understand what's being conveyed in the text.

We do not live in an egalitarian society. We live in a matriarchal society with a matriarchal church.

I watched a marriage seminar put on by a pastor who explicitly prescribed wives to withhold from their husbands strategically to get what they want from him because [men are slow and need to be guided by their women].

@douglasmcnay644

3 жыл бұрын

That was evil advice. Paul explicitly condemns witholding from one another. Sick...

@Globeguy1337

3 жыл бұрын

@@douglasmcnay644 Agreed. Some of the most useless and, ironically, unchristian advice on women and relationships comes from the church. It seems to me that this is a great need and opportunity for a Christian training in ‘Christian game’ if you’ll excuse the expression. If the Christian men are taught to be skilled and strong and understand women and relationships (or as some would say, if Christians were Alpha Chads) and consequently had exemplary relationships, that would be quite the ‘marketing draw’ to the church as well as removing the common reproach of the hypocrisy of the high divorce rate of Christians.

@TheSecondAdam

Жыл бұрын

That was the devil giving that advice.

Music at the end sounds right off the duck commanders podcast..

Would really have liked to hear Wilson speak.

Very very accurate

No worries. Women are now leaving the church in higher numbers than men, so hopefully you’ll have it all to yourselves. Hallelujah!

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Unlikely. Would have to be completely new churches, but I don't see that happening in our lifetimes in the US at this point. I am afraid many christians will be dying alone in greater numbers than ever before (at least in recorded history), and it is a sad thought.

AMEN N THE EXTREME, AMEN!!!

Interesting perspective. I hope more men can bring more heaven-bound but earthly good tools to help men in the church.

So true

i mean, when your method is to memorize the institutes of the christian religion and pretend that encompasses all of life while ignoring everything else... what could go wrong?

@felixguerrero6062

3 жыл бұрын

This ain't it chief

There has to be more in the Bible on Action for men. "Fight Club" can't be the end all be all.

@travis6694

3 жыл бұрын

Fight club is chaos that isn’t even remotely close to what the Bible talks about.

@TroyFletcherKeyboards

3 жыл бұрын

Fight club is a homosexual book about homosexuals, thinly veiled. The place to start is probably the exact opposite.

The Church may not equip you but the Holy Spirit gives the 9 Fruits of the Spirit including a supernatural peace inside your soul and Christ-like patience and self control and spiritual gifts and callings to do things while walking in His Power that you couldn’t do before.

i struggle to go to church because there's nothing to do. it's completely passive. i can't stand it

@tobystamps2920

3 жыл бұрын

Find a church that has work that you can get involved in. Those churches are out there

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

After being away from church for a while the first church I checked out last Sunday made the joke from the pulpit “if men want to have a peaceful home just listen to your wives” I challenged them on that after service was over and after talking about the way society treats man they told me that “church is just downstream from society/culture” Why can’t Church be down stream from God? Downstream from the word? Nope! Church has to be down stream from society

Ive never heard of this Aaron guy but hes spot on. Ive heard and know all about the MGTOW/PUA/Men's rights kinda guys.

@firingallcylinders2949

3 жыл бұрын

Many of those men are unfortunately bitter after being burned. MGTOW isn't the right answer, but sometimes you can understand why they go that direction after hearing their stories.

@Razaiel

3 жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 The right answer would be to eliminate no-fault divorce, make joint custody the default & end alimony. However, in our gynocentric society that's highly unlikely.

@firingallcylinders2949

3 жыл бұрын

@@Razaiel Yea men get absolutely hosed in divorces. I know dozens of men who got divorced and not a single one that I've talked to didn't get absolutely destroyed financially and lose the kids.

@Razaiel

3 жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 I'm not MGTOW since I'm married, but I take issue when people just dismiss them as merely embittered men without addressing the substance of their grievances.

@firingallcylinders2949

3 жыл бұрын

@@Razaiel I'm not married but I'm not MGTOW, I'm somewhere in between. Marriage makes me a little scared but it's not completely off the table, who knows.

Personal question- Pastor Doug, what brand of boots are you wearing?

Interesting point about bossing women around. A great response to the dilemma of feminism. Why does the pendulum have to swing all the way back? A polemical approach to this problem will only serve to exacerbate it in the end. The basic problem is not "men" or "women". Both need to read the word of God and strive to apply what it says. If we do not understand the reason why God wants us to behave in various ways, we then operate in confusion and and angst. Feminism is essentially cancerous. So is unchecked male dominance. We were made to work together.

@bradywymond8091

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@MoonMoon-fx1op

10 ай бұрын

Finally someone who gets it

So happy to see you guys notice this problem, it's bothered me for YEARS! So much so that i'm in the process of creating a youtube channel to address some of the issues.

How do we look for the complete version we downloaded the app but how do we find it ?

John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 🙏🏾📖

@holinessofthebride1935

5 ай бұрын

Jesus also said: If you love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15. Apostle John writes: This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3. So as friends of Christ we are not buddies, but are still subordinate to Christ.

Great. What should the church give us regarding this? Would love to hear more.

@CanonPress

3 жыл бұрын

More clips to come! But in the meantime, the full episode is available on the Canon App: canonpress.com/app/

@elijahmthompson2313

3 жыл бұрын

@@CanonPress having trouble finding the episode? Do I need to pay for the service in order to watch it?

@petersherwood202

3 жыл бұрын

@@elijahmthompson2313 yes you do have to pay unfortunately

@elijahmthompson2313

3 жыл бұрын

@@petersherwood202 The description says "watch for free on the canon app"

@mattm2767

3 жыл бұрын

Go onto the app and type in “Man Rampant.” It is the episode with Aaron Renn and it is called “The Lie of Servant Leadership.” You will have to scroll down a bit to find it.

This is all because churches have become Seeker Sensitive- and the only “seeker” that matters today is the modern wife. AKA, the modern day head of the family because men have been whipped into the corner.

"Men, you're the problem" has been at least the core subtext for at least 30 years, though, as well - not just the last few years. And I've been saying (it's the situation I've landed on, though I'm loathe to lay the blame on anyone but me) of my personal devotional and ministry flounderings that it turns out that, despite years connecting with various ministries, working in ministry, etc., having substantial gifts affirmed repeatedly, I'm nevertheless not equipped. So, I've landed on not pursuing ministry work any longer. I've imagined I'm not the only one leaving the vocation idea behind.

@toomuchinformation

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand your response: "having substantial gifts affirmed repeatedly" but "nevertheless not equipped". Who was affirming your gifts and why weren't they considered enough?

@AndrewKendall71

2 жыл бұрын

@@toomuchinformation I'm not sure the leaders of my church know the answer to that question. My elders affirm my gifts. My church licensed me years ago. I served as curriculum writer and teacher for years, years ago. I've never come under discipline-on the contrary, I've been asked to lead in some serious times. And, now I'm working through a theology grad program. But, no interest in me today. So, this may be a personal matter I need to get an answer to. But, I've never been able to make sense of it in my church in more recent years (which is, in part, why I have now left my church after 27 years since my comment/post). But, I gotta say, the vision of many churches is-individuals with recognized gifts may be called upon to lead, and we believe sin life should be considered in light of progress not perfection and the sufficiency of grace... but also we won't hire anyone who acknowledges they still have sins. Or something. Everyone in leadership across multiple churches and in ministries I follow are all "yeah, I USED to be this or that, I USED to struggle with this or that, but God has freed me long ago." Well, cool cool cool. But when asked, "So what's the sin you struggle with now?" - crickets - I mean, I'm fighting daily and failing more often than I'd ever like (it seems I'm "not equipped" to finally and completely conquer sin). Can I serve? Having present sin struggles is too much of a problem. Can ministers, though, all be as free from sin as churches' hiring policies suggest and the ministers themselves teach?

@toomuchinformation

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewKendall71 Thank you for your in-depth comment. It sounds as if your particular situation goes beyond why men are no longer attracted to church and more about what kind of people are more likely to be accepted and the difficulty of admitting to CURRENT DIFFICULTIES. Those currently struggling with such may not apply it seems.

@AndrewKendall71

2 жыл бұрын

@@toomuchinformation Those current difficulties, in my opinion, are gospel difficulties and not merely behavioral. It seems to me (cynically) that the men who do choose it are a bit more of the CEO go-getter. The type-A leader who may or may not have the calling or qualifications, but who-driven and not taking no for an answer-pursue pastoral ministry, get the role, and establish the type and the culture of the type who "should" be pastor. That, combined with some of what I said-a question of whether they're as free from sin as seems to be required by a congregation-leads to fewer willing to step up. Kinda like, it takes a special kind of narcissist to become a politician in today's world, it takes a bold (and I don't mean spiritual or gospel boldness) personality to take it on. And this, instead of "here, let's ensure discipleship and ceremonial sending and pressing confession and oversight and togetherness instead of isolation are at play to uphold the man of God." I do appreciate you seeking clarity by asking me in the first place.

I found help in "Wild at Heart" by John Eldredge and "Act like Men" by James MacDonald. Other decent Christian books on manhood? (Please don't respond by notifying me of MacDonald's personal faults; the book stands.)

I would like to know what these two gentlemen are sippin on 1:30?

Is there a full version of this conversation

@CanonPress

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, sir! Available for free on the Canon App: canonpress.com/app/

@stevenledwith

3 жыл бұрын

For $7.99 a month

@josiew3120

3 жыл бұрын

@@CanonPress I have the app (annual subscription). I can't find this conversation. Can you provide more-explicit information? Thanks.

@mattm2767

3 жыл бұрын

Go onto the app and type in “Man Rampant.” It is the episode with Aaron Renn and it is called “The Lie of Servant Leadership.” You will have to scroll down a bit to find it.

These secular people understand our sin nature better then you do. people are so lost they cannot even navigate regular reality anymore. people need to at least be in reality before they can accept a higher power.

This is absolutely correct in regard to “tools”. The Church demands that men be responsible, but gives them little or no ability to affect outcomes. That is absolutely unjust. It is also counter to the God-given doctrine that the individual is responsible for their own actions, decisions and sins. What this clip does not appear to recognise is that the way that God has made men, and the things that we bring to the table are not honoured. That is not an “evolutionary” argument, but an argument based on the nature of creation. The unique needs and challenges that men face are not addressed. I see this a lot as a single, middle-aged man. There are specific ministries and messages for women, children, young adults and generic families, but I and those like me are bloody well invisible. Oh..... except when you want money from me.😡

@PlagueDoctorOpal

5 ай бұрын

This was a five minute clip and you are complaining that it doesn’t have an hours worth of content on it? They have so much content on this topic… And are you complaining about a free video on a free app costing money??

@peterwebb8732

5 ай бұрын

@@PlagueDoctorOpal An hour’s content is not required. The basics could be covered in a couple of minutes.

Seems like what is being said is “Hey the world is doing this thing, and many young men are pursuing it. We need to be doing that thing.” Huh... Love your wife as Christ loved the church, (He emptied Himself of all entitlement in order to be a servant), Wash her in the word (Maybe we need to know the word, what it means, and to speak it with love, seasoned salt, and have a purpose to what you are saying). What I am getting at is quit looking to the world for how we are to behave as men and look to Christ. Be meek (have power under restraint) Who cares what these other men are saying, if its foundation is not the truth then it will lead to death and destruction. Listen to your wife, hear what she is saying and guide her to the way of the truth. Serve her and she will know that you love her and she will listen to you. That is why we listen to God because He served us.

@robertfishter2862

3 жыл бұрын

The woman was created as a help meet for the man.

@bradywymond8091

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertfishter2862 go back and read that in the Hebrew...

@dotwarner17

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is, most churches don't dare to teach the corresponding passage ("wives, obey your husbands...") because it's too 'misogynist' or whatever. It's just continual browbeating of men to do more, do better, be more, be better. I'm a woman and I notice this.

@MoonMoon-fx1op

10 ай бұрын

​@@bradywymond8091oh you get it. Many things are misconstrued in translation

@MoonMoon-fx1op

10 ай бұрын

​@@dotwarner17obey and submissive are two different things

Do you guys boss your wives around? Like how you mention in the opening of the video. Or do you believe what you say later is the method for leadership?

When doestge interviewer stop talking and let Doug Wilson speak ?

Anyone know the book and author he was referring to saying "men, you're the problem and you need to be a servant leader"? I know a lot of christian authors these days teach this but I was wondering if anyone knew this instance. Thanks!

@hondotheology

3 жыл бұрын

like every book directed to men

@ma61king

3 жыл бұрын

Ted Cortez Bingo, virtually every Christian book or piece of Christian advice is this. It's no surprise that most divorces are instigated by women, despite them having more freedoms now than ever

@jbaggett2674

3 жыл бұрын

We've created a system that financially incentivizes a women to break the covenant she made and it comes with social approval from the culture and now the church.

Based

I find no free episode in the app, just a paywall

Besides unwavering faith in God, the Biblical superpower that men have that could reverse this mess is to adhere to the standard of chastity outside of marriage for themselves, but also insist upon chastity for the women they marry. Young men must read the Bible several times in their youth to see what is actually said in it and have faith in it's wisdom, especially surrounding warnings against porneia and Jezebel. I argue this is the only way Western men can correct the cultural shift into chaos we are now witnessing. The good news is that this is within the power of each and every young man to do for themselves and for their society.

i think most decent reasonable people really appreciate when someone tells it like it is - shoots straight with them. so i don't see why Doug has a problem with Jordon, unless Doug wants to be the only gunslinger in town?

Insightful, men always expected to be 'servent leaders', but not empowered by culture or church. Sooo...? Men grasping, struggling with despair, guilt, and anger.

@PMA65537

3 жыл бұрын

That's "servant". A "servent" is a computery thing most people don't need to think about.

This is definitely a true problem, BUT Christian men should not use this as an excuse. Honestly, a lot of men are afraid of their wives. It's up to men to assume the role of leadership in their home - assert themselves as the dominant one. If they do that while also fulfilling Scripture to love their wives as Christ loves the church, then the wives follow their role of respecting their husband. I don't need legal backing for my wife to submit to me. I can handle that on my own with the authority of Scripture. In other words, men, you can't just whine about not having respect and no legal backing. You have the authority of scripture - ACT on it!

@garyoakham9723

Жыл бұрын

And when they do their wives leave them and take half of their stuff and children. Where is the ability to divorce in the Bible again? Better solution us to treat women like credit cards. You want couchie or kids? Pay up and get them. No marriage

I notice widowers are “pushed” out via cold shoulder, widows and such pretty much run everything. I’m taking the hint and looking elsewhere to serve Christ, somehow. 🧐

I really think we need to stop saying “equip” and “tools”

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Why?

Church attendance is predominantly female because females are looking to be saved. Men aren't so much looking to be saved. Females are dependent, men are more independent. That's the basic difference. That's where it begins.

4:20 you forgot to say that all the "Secular Guys" are not telling men that "they are (always) the problem".

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Not always the problem, no. However, a lot of them will tell you that without wealth/financial success that you will less than dirt, and that would be by their own hand. It is not taught in the Bible that we should seek wealth above all else (though making money is not a sin inherently of course). As mentioned in this video, they teach evolutionary ideas, but the end result is the same. If you don't dedicate your life to worldly things, then you die a failure. Where as the church overwhelmingly teaches that a man is the general problem in most cases, but does nothing to equip you to handle it, therefore making men a born "failure" by default.

The church hastes men.

@trailtrs1

3 жыл бұрын

Mostly

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

I can understand why someone would have that opinion

@trailtrs1

2 жыл бұрын

@@crimsondraak3024 feminism in the church has destroyed the western church

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

@@trailtrs1 yep-and even with men fleeing these churches the leadership still is not deterred from the path they are walking

@trailtrs1

2 жыл бұрын

@@crimsondraak3024 Precisely because they aren’t leaders in the Biblical sense but bureaucrats taking care of a government approved business. The alpha Christian men are leaving this place because it is a haven for feminist ideology and male simpery. Today’s church masculinizing women and feminizes men. God set the church up in the home not in a building that has relationships with the government to gain approved status. Real leaders attract fellow warriors without having to create a bureaucracy. These guys are bureaucrats. The bureaucracy of the bishops

Great books for couples on this topic has been "For women only" and "For men only" Probably the most acuate book that I've read and lines up with scripture

Not to mention frequency. Guys like Rollo Tomassi are spitting out content all the time, willing to do 3hr live streams with their audience.

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

Haven’t really seen Rollo‘s videos but have been catching “better bachelors”/jokers videos. I spent several years trying to talk to church leader ship about MGTOW and all of the testimonies I was finding from Christian men leaving the Church. All of the warnings where ignored

@crimsondraak3024

2 жыл бұрын

Also was warning the youth leaders about everything going on and they dismissed everything I had to say on the subject until one day they had a breakout session where the high school aged men only group started talking about everything I had previously warned the youth leaders about. Youth leaders were no longer hearing it from me but straight from the young man that they were teaching…

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

Ok, but they are also making a small fortune by doing it as often as they do rofl

No wonder JBP is taking churches "market share!

Sounds like this guy is going to the wrong church. All the guidance men need is in scripture. This guy has a huge chip on his shoulder. Maybe he needs to deal with his issues instead of trying to paint all men with his broad brush. If you are not hearing the word preached from the pulpit then confront your pastor in love. If you see no change then find a church that preaches the gospel. We have a mens accountabity group that meets once a week and that has generated a congregation of strong men that model what the Bible says men should do.

@MoonMoon-fx1op

2 ай бұрын

Finally someone is seeing past all of it.

I was going to listen to this but then this dude said, “we can’t boss our wives around.” and Doug says “we don’t have the backing of the world! What? Maybe that’s the problem in the first place. Looking to the world for approval instead of looking to Jesus as the example of a real man. The night He was betrayed He didn’t boss the disciples around, He got a bowl of water, a towel and washed their feet as an example of servanthood. Maybe the problem isn’t the church failing men, it’s men failing to wash their wives feet and laying down their lives for them. I’ve been married for 34 years and we had our usual issues of who does what etc. Within a decade, we got into a rhythm and the “ submission” never entered into our discussions ever again. We are not perfect, we can still argue, disagree, but my wife knows and I know, we want what the Lord wants and do not move until we agree together as a team. Men that keep mentioning “submissive wives” are those whose wife are not completely sure of his intent. The Bible says they are to become ONE. IT DOES NOT SAY, BECOME LIKE HIM, OR BECOME LIKE HER….NO! BECOME ONE! Forget the world and focus on making sure your wife is so certain that you will ‘ lay down your life for her’ that submission won’t even be an issue.

@MoonMoon-fx1op

2 ай бұрын

Finally someone gets it

Very good observations from this guy...he probably was said to be demonised by christian women for using his head....not that I would know, commenting for a friend....lol...

Couldn't finish this due to liquor bottle on table... is it a liquor bottle? I could be wrong, but even if it isn't it looks too much like one to be on screen. This could be a stumbling block to other believers gentlemen. Remember, what is good or okay for one isn't good or okay for all. The answer to all this nonsense is a real true relationship with The Almighty. That means spending time with Him and I don't mean 15 minutes before you rush off to work. I mean hours, days if needed truly seeking Him. Fasting (UHOH, that's a nasty word to most "Christians" - I struggle with this too, but I do it as He leads), praying and studying and requesting The Holy Spirit and presence of The Almighty, not demanding it like spoiled brat kids. That means if He wants you to quit your job, leave your family, be homeless, etc. DO IT! I've had to do all of the above and didn't want to, but what I want isn't nearly as important as what God wants, eh? And don't give me the "God wouldn't ask us to do that" malarkey. Read Matthew 19 (vs 29 specifically) and realize that motive is recognized here. I left everything and everyone besides my spouse because I was seeking The Almighty One True God - YAH. He was drawing me to Him and I heeded the call - EVEN THOUGH IT WAS HARD AND I DIDN'T WANT TO. What I DID want was HIM! He's worth everything I've had to leave behind. I'm still broke and unemployed, but God is constantly providing for me in ways I wouldn't have expected simply because I'm truly seeking Him. He's all I think about even though occasionally I still try to find work. I talk to Him about what bothers me. He understands and KNOWS I WANT TO WORK, but He also knows what's best for me so if He says "NO" to work then I have to obey even if I don't understand that. I think women don't follow men because they're too consumed with "doing it themselves" instead of setting an example of how to seek God and then doing what He says come hell or highwater. In order for women to submit and obey the man must SHOW how to do this by submitting and obeying God FIRST!!! THIS IS THE PECKING ORDER GENTS! Deal with it and let's get on with it, huh? I mean I know it's scary, but God WILL take care of us even if we don't have a job or home or even family. He promises this in His Word and even promises to restore anything wrongly taken away from us. Either He's faithful or He's a liar. Most "Christian" men today live like He's a liar. It's a shame and causing MANY to fall away - men, women AND children. All this can and will be fixed by true followers of God seeking Him with their WHOLE hearts. He'll direct and guide us, but we will be called to do some extreme things... Either we believe and trust Him or not, period. Proverbs 3 The truth is most people who profess that they're "Christians" talk one way and live another. This is a form of godliness but having NO POWER and The Almighty is growing weary of this lukewarmness. It is frustrating those of us who want the real deal and are left with remnants of the Sadducees and Pharisees at best... I know this isn't all of us, but it is definitely the bulk. When most churches closed down for Covid I knew the end was nearer... I haven't been back in a while. Faithlessness does NOT promote real church growth. The church isn't "buildings" the church is US and we better get with The Father and get all this worked out with Him asap because more than our marriages are at stake gentlemen... Can 2 walk together unless they be agreed?

Peterson is probably the closest thing to a godly opinion on masculinity as you're likely find, outside of canon press of course. What he says to the disillusioned man is "be responsible! Be diligent! Be resourceful! Be disciplined!" As opposed to the pick up artists who say "if society won't support you, manipulate and abuse them to get what you want". Peterson is at least adjacent to what Gods will for Man is, because he's using his eyes and his brain, and he can see what God has written in the revelation of creation. The pick up artist, on the other hand, is as much a son of belial as the feminist.

Curious what you are trying to communicate with the hard liquor displayed in a prominent place in these episodes. Why?

Here's a tool available to any man: FIND A REAL CHURCH! If the church leaders aren't acting like men (1 Timothy 3 sets standards) then how will you ever learn to be like that. You can't make up for the failings of your pastors and elders to teach what they don't themselves know. Nor can you learn what you aren't being taught. The conclusion we must reach is that most of these men aren't qualified to lead the church.

@someone-ji2zb

Жыл бұрын

It is a reasonable conclusion, but it also begs the question as to why other men aren't standing up and putting their faith in God to do it themselves? If the majority of what is out there is feminized, then it is the feminine men taking up the mantle, while the masculine men are giving up.

Lol I WISH, we lived in an egalitarian society. We live in a flat out gynocentric society.