For me, its not about how serious a sin it is to have female pastors, rather it's how serious a church takes biblical authority, and a female pastor is a serious red flag. Once you start scratching out inconvenient verses, you wont stop until there's nothing left.

@DrGero15

4 ай бұрын

It started with head coverings and spread from there.

@tonymercer7759

4 ай бұрын

Quite right

@Packhorse-bh8qn

4 ай бұрын

@@DrGero15 "It started with head coverings and spread from there." You can't say that! Head coverings are off limits! (But.... you are absolutely right! Once you start excusing your way around plain statements, there is no limit.)

@DrGero15

4 ай бұрын

@@Packhorse-bh8qn Exactly, if a clear command tied to creation can be dismissed as "cultural" than anything can be.

@chessboxer35

4 ай бұрын

Amen

I’ll just stay with my best understanding of how I understand what God wants. There are verses in the scripture that imply women should not be pastors. That’s good enough for me. No discussion needed

@Cousinbilly118

4 ай бұрын

What does the verse say exactly? We don't imply with the word. What is the context?

@teresafarrell6457

Ай бұрын

Amen.

@thomasc9036

Ай бұрын

One of commands of God is for men to be protectors. Women simply aren't protects and I know because I have a wife, two daughters, and mother. Although the Epistles clearly commands pastors/elders/bishops to protect the sheep, most American pastors and churches want "nice and non-confrontational" pastors/elders/bishops. I guarantee you that that's how the denominations like PCUSA became heretical. Too many emasculated pastors who just want to be "nice"....

@zanykangaroo

17 күн бұрын

@@Cousinbilly118 1 Timothy 2-3

Pastor Everhard, thank you for sticking to your convictions and remaining biblical in an era within "Christianity" many put being "acceptable" supersedes God's word.

@thereverendbates

16 күн бұрын

Amen 🙏

I greatly appreciate your ability to present topics respectful and thoughtful, yet still firm on your conviction. This is something I want to strive for in my own life. Thank you for your ministry!

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.". I Timothy 2: 12

@deanschulze3129

4 ай бұрын

Paul is clearly saying that is his position, not a command from God. What would you expect from a Pharisee?

@zalomanakbar2350

4 ай бұрын

​​@@deanschulze3129 With all due respect, Paul was given his position by Christ Himself, and he was given divine inspiration by Christ Himself. Paul's position on this would have been exactly what Christ's was/is. If we say that "this was just Paul's opinion," where do we draw the line? How much of the epistles are under the "divine revelation" principle, and what aren't? Acts 20:24: “But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.” Galatians 1:11-12: “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” It is clearly taught that Paul has been given authority by Christ to teach. Woman's role is no less important than mans, and neither is greater than the other- but it is clear as day the position of pastoral office is to be relegated to men based on what Paul says alone, cause his words are from Christ.

@Packhorse-bh8qn

4 ай бұрын

@@deanschulze3129 So,, you don't believe in the inspiration of Scripture, then. You don't believe Paul's writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Is that correct?

@smithn.wesson495

4 ай бұрын

@@deanschulze3129 Your response is a textbook example of someone who thinks he knows something.....but is dumber than shit.

@standards8875

4 ай бұрын

@@Packhorse-bh8qn was it St Paul?

Unfortunately, one tends to lead to another. Female 'pastors', then a softening on Homosexuality, etc. The slope is real and real slippery. They'll engage in sophistry, all the while moving further away from the Gospel, and taking many with them.

@PennySmart

4 ай бұрын

Exactly 💯

@MansterBear

4 ай бұрын

I’ve had people scoff at me saying similar. But as far as I know, there isn’t a single denomination or church that ordains homosexuals that doesnt also ordain women. Sure there are some (like AoG) that ordain women and not gays, but we’ll see where they are in 10-15 years.

@abc123fhdi

4 ай бұрын

yup I went to a church that had women preaching on Sunday but as a lay preacher, which goes against scripture of women not having authority over men. When I asked about their position on same-sex marriage they refused to address it saying it wasn't within the scope of the Q and A. Every time someone brings it up they don't want to talk about it and they had openly LGBTQ people serving in the church and didn't want to address it or correct them. This church is affiliated with the Anglican communion which explains a lot, as they are super woke lately and openly affirm the LGBT lifestyle and have ordained LGBT ministers and pastors. So in an effort not to upset anyone they just don't want to talk about it but passively accept LGBT "christians".

@thomasc9036

4 ай бұрын

Never met a female preacher who preached without adding errors or blasphemies. We "pretend" that there "may be one", but the reality is not true.

@Hannodb1961

4 ай бұрын

I've literally see that play out in the NG Kerk here in South Africa, once the most dominant denomination in the country. I call it "three easy steps to apostacy: Step 1: Undermine the absolute authority of scripture by disgarding a very clear, yet seemingly unimportant commandment : Female pastors. Step 2: Undermine the moral authority of the Bible by disgarding a very serious commandment in the Bible: homosexuality. Step 3: Since the Bible is no longer considered to be a reliable source of moral truth, why do we still need a saviour? Reduce Jesus as just one of many paths to God.

How can a female pastor be "the husband of one wife"? (1 Timothy 3:2 & Titus 1:6-7).

@IndianaJoe0321

4 ай бұрын

Scripture is clear. I don't understand how egalitarians make sense of verses like those.

@PastorCleveland

4 ай бұрын

Literally in the Greek: “a one-woman man” … so the question is literally how can a woman be a one-woman man?

@thomasc9036

4 ай бұрын

lol...very easily? You can quote scripture after scripture, but the other side will do the same. It's all based on "how people want to interpret and prioritize" teachings.

@bertrodgers2420

4 ай бұрын

true. although that scripture definitely doesn't exclude men who aren't married

@thomasc9036

4 ай бұрын

​@@thejoshuaproject3809 That whole Tota Scriptura is meaningless. Sooner or later, we need to examine we need to use discernment on individual cases. For example, Apostle Paul commanded the Corinthian Church to expel the sexually immoral brother and have nothing to do with him. How many churches including conservatives churches practice this?

It opens the door the very serious Heresy !

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

The church went the way of heresy a long long time ago. Revelation 17 the scarlet woman - RC church - is the mother of harlots - all other churches.

I am female and it really turns me off going to any church that does not have a male pastor. I avoid any that have females up the front. My last church had a husband and wife running services and she did the bulk of them. I left after a year, plus they had other doctrinal errors that irritated me like prosperity gospel and easy believing, which was enough to get me out! 📖✝️🇦🇺

Behold to obey is better than sacrifice

I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. The other heresies that derives from female pastors along with the horrible excuse for biblical exegesis to justify it further equates it to heresy.

@Packhorse-bh8qn

4 ай бұрын

@anthonyfava9367 "I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. " No, it is not heresy. Yes, it's a serious sin, but it is not heresy. The Church historically has reserved that very severe word for teachings that directly attack the nature of God, or the Person and Work of Christ. This does neither, unless one wants to force a chain of ideas that eventually leads there. But by that standard, all error is heresy, which is patently ridiculous. It's only in the last few decades, as the church has become increasingly dumbed down, that that word, "heresy" has been flung around carelessly, at every idea we don't like. When we use words promiscuously, they lose their power. When very person who picks up a puppy from the side of the road, is a "hero", well, there aren't any true heroes anymore. When everything is "awesome", nothing can really be awesome anymore. Words matter. The word "heresy" should be used sparingly.

@zanykangaroo

17 күн бұрын

@@Packhorse-bh8qn Feminism/egalistarianism denies Scirpture's clear inspiration from the Holy Spirit. What is that if not heresy?

@Packhorse-bh8qn

17 күн бұрын

@@zanykangaroo No, it does not deny inspiration. It fails to submit to it, but it does not deny it.

It borderlines on heresy. It overthrows the entire Genesis account and biblical order.

@mastery4living187

4 ай бұрын

It is heresy. No question about it.

@1517the_year

4 ай бұрын

@@mastery4living187heterodox, it does not effect salvation.

@roberttrevino62800

4 ай бұрын

@@1517the_year ultimately, it proves someone does not have the spirit of God. You cannot read 1 Timothy 2:12 and allow women preachers unless you are “self warped, conceited, and unfit for any good work”

@theeternalsbeliever1779

4 ай бұрын

@@1517the_year Rebelling against God's government IS a salvation issue. Did God not cast Lucifer and the other sinning angels out of His ranks because they attempted to overthrow Him and make themselves the standard of morality? Is it logical to believe that God would trust a professing Christian with something like eternal life and a position even higher than Lucifer's if they won't submit to His authority? It is certainly not!

@1517the_year

4 ай бұрын

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 perfect theology is your standard of salvation I see! I thought it was faith alone but then again, what do I know! Your logic is poor and I’ll give you a reason. One characteristic listed in scripture for an elder in 1 Timothy 3:4 says that an elder must have children who are submissive of him. ESV. Does he lose out on salvation because he fails in this area? Your relying on human perfection and it’s quite literally, not biblical.

Lawlessness is possible if definitions are redefined and laws are ignored.

Women pastors having authority over men in a church are a rebellion against God's commandment (1Ti 2:12) and this is a very serious issue. "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry." (1Sa 15:23). There might still be some individuals being saved in such a church, but the church overall has gone astray.

Kenneth Copeland is known for preaching the Prosperity Gospel. However, he also teaches that Jesus suffered torture in Hell and then became born-again as He was raised from the dead. This teaching seems heretical to me because it affects the essence/substance of what/who Jesus truly was/is.

@MansterBear

4 ай бұрын

Kenneth Copeland is a heretic, so of course his teachings are heretical.

@andrewwetzel5491

4 ай бұрын

The Apostles Creed says that Jesus descended into hell after his death, but never said that he suffered. He did this to preach the gospel to the righteous who had passed. The born-again part is heresy. Jesus had no need to be born again; he is God. The need to be born again is due to the sin nature that humans have. Jesus did not take on a sin nature, because sin is passed down through the father, and Jesus had no biological father. Jesus never sinned; again, he is God. After typing through all of that I have determined that my original rendering of the born-again thingy was wrong. Kenneth Copeland saying that Jesus was born again is downright blasphemous.

@WaterMelon-Cat

4 ай бұрын

Jesus went to hell to proclaim his glory. It is definitely heresy to say Jesus was damned with punishment

@tiffanydaniel8996

4 ай бұрын

@@andrewwetzel5491thank you for this. It had been my suspicion in the past that since passes through the father but wasn’t entirely sure. Certainly makes sense of why the NT says that in Adam all sinned. Jesus was not of the line of Adam through his father because He had no earthly father. But every single one of us have an earthly father. Even those who go through Ivf of some other means of conceiving, must have a father involved. Also it is the male’s semen that contains both male and female cells that determine the sex of the baby. I know all this other stuff is kind of irrelevant to your point, but I just find it amazing how complete the word of God is to explain that sin passed through the generations and also explains how Jesus “the Son of Man” and “the Son of God” was without sin.

@ethan9868

4 ай бұрын

A major rift occurred in my family due to this teaching.

First off, I would like to say I appreciate your respectful tone when it comes to this subject. That being said, I would respectfully disagree with your conclusion. As a woman (Reformed, Calvinist, Presby), I have studied this topic in great depth and wish many more would do the same to come to their own conclusions. The Bible is not as clear as people would like to think about these passages. We read an english translation and, as such, it is also a type of commentary, and we miss a lot of nuance. The verses are usually cherry-picked out of context, and other verses that would tell them something might be a bit off with their interpretation, are ignored. Interpretive gymnastics as some would say. Paul was usually speaking to specific people, who were having a specific problem. And while in some churches he encouraged women to learn as students before trying to teach anyone, you only have to read the rest of the new testement to see all the women who were his co-workers: apostles, deacons, patrons, church leaders, etc. Even the church fathers (and all their misagonistic ways) admitted that women were apostles (Mary Magdalene and Junia) and leaders (Priscilla, Chloe, Lydia). In my view, when we deny women their rightful place next to men, we do damage to the body of Christ. As the Bible says: it is not good for men to be alone. So if there are no women voices in the church (elder board, etc), I see it as not good. (I know this will probably get some hate so I'll just say that if you want to comment, please provide the sources you've studied yourself that would affirm your opinion. Besides the Bible.)

If you violate the Scripture by stating “well it really doesn’t mean that” with one passage, you will eventually do it with other passages. And modernism does the same thing every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be st the head of the table, then it demands everybody else leave the table.

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

But are Paul's letter actually scripture in the first place? When he said all scripture is ... there was only what we know as the Old Testament. Many of Pauls epistles contradict each other.

@DrGero15

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelicornelius 2 Peter 3:15-16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

@user-iz8np3vv4i

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelicornelius I wrote an informal essay on some of Paul's teachings. He doesn't come out well. Free, if anyone wants a study.

@tonimccoy9778

4 ай бұрын

So your opinions override the bible and the apostle Paul. The reason Pauline scriptures dont line up exactly with the gospels is that Paul's scriptures are dispensational..Therefore the scriptures do not contradict, they contrast..Toni's husband

@Outrider74

4 ай бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i That means nothing. I could write an essay saying that modern evangelicals are the spawn of Roman Catholicism, but that doesn't make it true. Funny, had St. Paul contradicted the other apostles, you would think that the other apostles would have clearly rebuked him. Yet you read nothing about that in either the Scriptures themselves or the early church fathers. Odd indeed...

How can there be any question about this issue? There are multiple texts in the Bible restricting women from BOTH speaking in the assembled gathering and from teaching the conregation or having authority over men. St. Paul makes it crystal clear that the Apostolic restrictions are NOT cultural, rather, they are grounded in: 1. Creation (Adam was created first). 2. Divine purpose (Adam was designed to lead, provide, and protect while Eve was created for Adam and child-rearing). 3. The Fall (Eve fell for the temptation of Satan and led Adam into sin. Paul indicates this is a warning that women are more open to Satanic false teaching). 4. The Law. 5. ITimothy and Titus specifically say that elders are to be men who manage their households well. 6. The salvific realm for women is stated directly as childbearing and household management. This indicates that salvation is NOT just easy believism but includes a God-ordered and God-ordained realm or purpose within the family. Modern Christianity has turned salvation into a personal Pietistic form of individualism. 7. A woman with an uncovered head in the gathered congregation dishonors her husband and competes with God's glory (the man). The woman is the glory of man. According to Paul this appears to offend the angels. Very few things are as clear and cross referenced as the Apostolic restrictions on women. Hence, for a woman to teach the gathered congregation and have spiritual authority over men is a serious sin. It also opens God's people to false teaching which should be abundantly obvious given what has happened in Mainline Protestant denominations.

@battlesqueak5838

23 күн бұрын

Well spoken

Which churches ordain women? When a woman is pastor and then is married, how can she be the pastor, if he is the head in the family?

@pkmcnett5649

4 ай бұрын

The Wesleyan Church, The Free Methodist Church, The Church of the Nazarene, United Methodists, Episcopal, and the Salvation Army. Some Lutheran church do, too. Christian Missionary Alliance has women deaconesses.

@PastorBillDavis-uh2oq

4 ай бұрын

Foursquare

@flowerpower3618

4 ай бұрын

@@pkmcnett5649church of the Nazarene? I was raised Nazarene . They don’t even allow dancing, “mixed bathing “, ear piercing , or red nail polish . How can they allow female pastors? My uncle was a Nazarene pastor

@flowerpower3618

4 ай бұрын

@@pkmcnett5649a deaconess is not a pastor. A pastor is a pastor .

@pkmcnett5649

4 ай бұрын

@flowerpower3618 You must have been away from them for over 30 years, or more. Most of the rules you listed have long been gone. Strictness might depend on geography, though. Being raised that way and what they do now are very different. That being said, women pastors have been in the Church of the Nazarene since its inception. A woman was one of the founders.

Very well spoken. I enjoy the way you break subject matters down to the lowest common denominator, which is a help to most of us.

I'm a woman, I believe the Bible as is, including Paul's viewpoint. Women have our beautiful place set by our loving Heavenly Father. Mary was at His feet and Jesus didn't condemn her, this is the highest place to be happy and content.

@user-iz8np3vv4i

4 ай бұрын

I used to believe everything by Paul, but those days are gone. Paul ordered/approved of a man's execution before Paul was saved, and another man's after Paul received salvation. Paul, repeatedly stated he was a 'father' that gave birth to Christians. Paul, wrote that Christian men that were uncircumcised upon salvation shouldn't be circumcised, yet ordered/instructed Timothy to be circumcised. etc. etc. etc. I wrote a short free essay on some of Paul's teachings. Some parts are about women, but not all. Be careful of the teachings of Paul. Very careful.

@sheroyal9326

11 күн бұрын

I believe you do not believe in the inspired Word of God from your multiple comments declaring women rule over men. Paul was a vessel used by the Lord and you admit you refute Paul because you want the Bible to reflect your way of life. My dear, the way is narrow and only a few will follow it.

Will watch later. But just off the top of my head, it's a very serious sin. It's a blatant and public flouting and usurping of God's authority.

@kurtk8926

4 ай бұрын

Amen!

@Yesica1993

4 ай бұрын

Addendum: Unfortunately, this issue has resulted in such hatred towards women, from supposed Christian men. (At least, that's what I've seen online.) That is the part that caught me off guard. I had no idea so many men in church hated women in general - in other words, hated ME - THAT much.

@erc9468

4 ай бұрын

@@Yesica1993 It is unfortunate that there is that kind of thing. I think some men have gone a bit overboard. I think that the biggest problem is when just believing what scripture says is "hatred towards women" - theres alot of that too.

@WaterMelon-Cat

4 ай бұрын

I do not think men are growing disgruntled with women due to these religious reasons per say. I think the issue is the horrible party and only fans culture that women out themselves in, which hurts young men looking for genuine love. As this culture becomes more and more accepting of casual relations young men are disproportionately affected by these effects like divorce and broken families, which leads to their pain growing to be bitterness towards all women. Seeing women pastors just reminds these men of the pride of the women who are immersed in this casual culture that hurt them @@Yesica1993

4 ай бұрын

​@brijenell0201I am a man, and even I notice the hatred lately.

I have a hard time understanding how God's people have no problem accepting that God ordained man to be the spiritual leader for his family but will not accept that only man has been ordained for the spiritual leaders in the church Could it be pride?

@user-iz8np3vv4i

4 ай бұрын

Deborah was a Judge. According to the scriptures in Chronicles, a pastor/shepherd. Also she was married.

@taebrown384

4 ай бұрын

Maybe just a different interpretation of scripture?? Not necessarily pride?? Only God knows a female pastors heart.

@betty3107

4 ай бұрын

@@taebrown384 Maybe ❤️

@prayersfordeliverance

3 ай бұрын

Yes, could it be Pride? NkJV, Micah 6:4, For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. God was saying, I sent you three Leaders. Yes, God sent a woman to lead. Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. The complementary roles and abilities of males and females bring balance, strength, and help to each another as they fulfill God’s purposes. Women and men (as man) were given the dominion mandate. Males and females (man’s houses) have distinct purposes and designs. Instead of asking if women should be in leadership, we should be asking how they are to exercise their leadership, given their purpose and design. What does the Woman’s purpose and design say about her leadership role? Blessings❤️

@user-iz8np3vv4i

3 ай бұрын

@@prayersfordeliverance you wrote: Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. There were some gender-specific roles on the Old Covenant, but there are none in the New. I wrote a free poastable essay on Deborah. A Judge could execute a man for his sin. There was no way to appeal or alter a Judge's verdict. This was all settled at about 1100 B.C. but false teachers and false teachings on this matter will not stop. Read time: 12 minutes should you wish a study at some point

Curious how you get infant baptism from the Bible...?

@philagon

4 ай бұрын

Curious how you limit baptism from the bible.

@danwilsonpastor

4 ай бұрын

@@philagon Fair question. 1. Jesus got baptized as an adult. 2. All baptisms in Scripture are of adults. 3. A baby cannot choose anything so what is the point? 4. When Jesus gave instructions for baptism He said "Teach, baptize, teach". You can't teach a baby. 5. Infant baptism, baptism by sprinkling etc... were all brought in much later in Christian history when the church was well off the rails.

@j.v.2064

4 ай бұрын

​@@danwilsonpastorCalvin, Luther, Knox, etc., accepted infant baptism... Were they wrong, or are you wrong?

@danwilsonpastor

4 ай бұрын

​@@j.v.2064 no Scripture? Your argument is to deflect away from Scripture and turn to men who are supposedly more credible than I am? This has nothing to do with me or Calvin. You are supporting what Jesus warned about - teaching as doctrine things you can only prop up from men.

@Baltic_Hammer6162

4 ай бұрын

@@j.v.2064They were wrong. The followed Augustine who was wrong. FWIW Augustine's bible was the Latin Vulgate which was put together from loose pile of manuscripts by Jerome. Problem is the Greek manuscripts were in error. FWIW v.2 Latin Vulgate was the bible of Jean Cauvin man in Geneva

Timely topic for me. Our church just recently made the move from EPC to PCA for these reasons, and others.

@lou_-mg7mb

11 күн бұрын

Praise God. Calvin’s Institutes will be a help to your church Brother.

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12)

@user-iz8np3vv4i

2 ай бұрын

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.

@user-cr7ug7co4x

2 ай бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i people interpret the Bible to custom fit there needs like Pentecostal churches they interpret the scriptures that says the disciples began to speak in tounges they had never spoken before they don't explain the entire verse what the lord ment was they began speaking in other people's native language so they could spread the word of god 1 Corinthians 14: The gift of speaking in tongues is described as a spiritual gift that allows a baptized person to speak a foreign language they don't know. It's said to be a way to edify someone who does speak that language, and that the speaker is speaking to God, not people. 1 Corinthians 14:27 also suggests that speaking in tongues should be done in groups of two or three, with someone interpreting. This is why I don't attend any church but I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ

@debras3806

12 күн бұрын

Can i encourage you, find a church!?

@sheroyal9326

11 күн бұрын

@@user-cr7ug7co4xJust like you have throughout this thread. You have answered almost every comment declaring women rule over men. What man/men did Deborah execute? Please cite Scripture. Who went to war? Barak or Deborah, the wife of Lapidoth. Who is mentioned in the Hall of Faith, Barak or Deborah. As for judges, please cite the role of judges in Deuteronomy especially in the multiple roles you have describes as shepherd, pastors, executioners, and teachers of men?

As a woman, I have deeply struggled with this issue my entire adult life -and I am no longer young! I have talked to egalitarian pastors and I have listened to complementary teaching. I have never felt comfortable with egalitarian teaching, nor have I been fully comfortable with complete complementarian teaching. I am always uncomfortable because my giftings lie in teaching, worship and in church leadership and not necessarily with working in children's ministries. Therefore, this issue has always been very painful because I am determined to adhere to the scriptures, prayer, and what they say, not to my desired interpretation of them. If I had a political or medical mind, I could be a doctor or lawyer with no problem. Again, I could become a professor in a university and write books which would teach both men and women. However, this has not been my calling. My call is to labor in service within my church. The frustration increases when I look around and see such a dearth in spiritually qualified men to lead. At least, that has been my experience because my husband and I have always been most comfortable in small and rural churches. I take heart in knowing that I have freedom in Christ, I am under the headship of my husband as well as church leadership. I will not promote myself and I am content. Nonetheless, this woman question is, and remains, a painful one, especially to think that in the secular world a woman can pursue her gift to the maximum of what the Lord will allow her, but within the church which she loves to serve, she cannot. Perhaps I'm sounding melodramatic since I can, and always do, lead home women's Bible studies, etc. Women in church work is an issue that I look forward to the LORD Jesus Christ finally bringing justice to. Thank you for your excellent videos and for tackling, with generosity of heart, some thorny topics.

@75Cee

4 ай бұрын

I am exactly like you. Painful. Preaching and teaching are my gifts. The Bible does present women leaders: Deborah, a prophetess. Not the only one. Prophetesses preach. Period. And she was a judge. God Himself raised her up to deliver the people from oppression. The fact that Barak is rebuked by God through her for saying that he won’t go to battle without her shows her leadership influence but especially his lack of faith in God. A sin. Men are stronger and made to lead their families and by extension the churches and society. When they greatly fail in their faith and refuse to lead, God sees fit to pick the weaker ones to shame the stronger ones. Jesus said it. This is precisely what happened in this story and it is precisely what is happening today. While very many men are stuck on pornography, video games and have no drive to finish the work, (and many women share in that blame without a doubt), God Himself is calling and equipping… yes, you know what I will say… women.

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

Paul said 'I do not permit ...' Paul; was a man not God and he did not say God has instructed me to say ...

@markanderson6707

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. This helps me to better understand the question. You reveal yourself as an intelligent, thoughtful and ardent follower of Jesus; and that alone offers comfort.

@RShaun

4 ай бұрын

Ma’am, God used a donkey to open Baalam’s eyes. He can certainly use a woman that he created to do the same. Please don’t allow this distortion of doctrine to put limits on you that God and even the Bible didn’t. Paul says he didn’t permit women to teach, nowhere else in the Bible did this man point out where God or Jesus said that it was a sin for women to teach. We are reading about a different time and culture and trying to apply their cultural values as well as their religious values. God told us to remember a great many things, none of which was women being unable to teach. Why would there be divinely inspired books of the Bible that use women to teach? It doesn’t make sense for God to be confused as to which women can teach from His Word and others can’t because Paul. I have seen so many people broken by doctrine devoid of common sense and the Love of God. The limits we put on God should be seen as a sin of the highest order. Denying His power. I think that was right under Blasphemy. But, forgive my rant. This subject offends me and that people perpetuate this and have so much support astounds me.

@75Cee

4 ай бұрын

@@RShaunBeautiful…

When the RPCNA examined whether holding to the acceptablity of women elders could be an acceptable exception, they ruled that it struck at the core of the gospel since it effectively denies inerrancy. I agree, and my experience is if you can learn to read the Bible so it is OK to ordain women elders, you can learn to read it so it allows for anything. The sky is the limit!

You missed out one category which i think describes the situation perfectly: pure, pride driven disobedience. This makes it an issue of church discipline.

The idea of women being relegated to a subservient role is abhorent in our society today and unfortunately as time has passed the church has submersed itself more and more into the muddy waters of secularism, to the point it is difficult to find Christ in some churches. Having been involved in pentecostal churches since my salvation (yes folks you can be saved in a pentecostal church😊) I have listened to many female preachers. Generally I would have to say it hasn't been a great experience. Scripture in many cases seems to be secondary to feelings. The other concern I have is there is often a very 'new age' feel to some of their preaching. Also, I don't blame women only, however there is no question female leadership has been an enabler to heresies such as homosexual ordination.

Very good sir! women preachers/pastors is a MAJOR problem in the New Zealand church.

@donzellbroadnax1948

25 күн бұрын

In USA to 😢😢

My grandma was a pastor she retired around a year ago and she is the sweetest most beautiful chistian I have ever met she gives away free Bibles to everyone and reads it every day and she spends the word of God she is a conservative chistian and the only known act she has come against the Bible is being a pastor she is even married to a evil man but she trys her best to love him because she is against divorce and fears sexual immortality but she raised a family and only remaryed to help support her family after my grandpa died he will yell and cuss when not called Doctor before his name if I just call him by his name he will freak out grandma loves God and only sins to serve him and that is her error she seeks to preach and spread the word of God and is most qualified but it is against his word writing this makes me cry

My PC-USA church is on it's fourth female pastor since 1993. What I've seen since 1993 is so many word changes, where the word changes in the readings. The word "man" changed to "people". Or "In His name," changed to "In his name." or "Heavenly Father" to Heavenly Parent," or changing "Kingdom" to "kin-dom." Few to no male Elders or Deacons. All of my grandfathers have been Elders in this historical old church since 1783, except me. And that was my belief against LBGQT. My entire family from 1796 are buried out back, and so will I, but I have attended a PC-ARP, and with more thought and prayer, I may switch to ARP after 75 yrs in the same church and pew. PC-USA is not going to change back to the good old days before 1983. Listening to you, Matthew keeps me sane, and a more line of my thinking, and certainly God's.

A sin is very serious according to God’s Word. He does not say that one sin is acceptable.

I'm currently attending a church with female pastors, and while I came to accept the gospel, get baptized, and make many friends in the Lord in that community, I've felt increasingly convicted on this particular issue. Thank you for your clarity and thorough presentation here!

@user-iz8np3vv4i

8 күн бұрын

One still has to explain Deborah. The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people at that time period. I suggest my short and free scripturally-based essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation

@scp025

7 күн бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Given the totality of scripture and the clear guidelines offered in 1 Timothy, it would seem to me that Deborah is an exception that proves the rule: a woman elevated to leadership as a consequence of the weakness of the men around her. Perhaps even a judgment from the Lord in the vein of Isaiah 3:12.

@user-iz8np3vv4i

7 күн бұрын

@@scp025 Taken from my essay below: THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 After Deborah's time in Judges 4 and 5, we see confirmation of the people turning back and acting more corruptly than their fathers. Then the sons of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord handed them over to Midian for seven years. The power of Midian prevailed against Israel. -excerpt Judges 6 first two sentences (above) When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.

Well done. I really appreciate how "tight" yet simplistic and complete your explanations are. Thank You Matt.

@deniss2623

4 ай бұрын

You mean simple, not simplistic. In case anyone misunderstands you!

Complimentarianism not egalitarianism is the Bible message.

Thanks this has being one of my greatest struggle. Thanks love from Kenya.

I was lead to Christ by a woman pastor. So, I’m thankful. 😌 🙏🏽

@MrAbsentmindedprof

3 ай бұрын

We rejoice with you. Phil 1:18

@NtwanaTsaKasi

Ай бұрын

the bible never said women cant be witnesses of Christ.

THANK YOU Matthew! That scale sure helps a lot.

The first red flag about fellowshipping in a denomination which has female 'pastors' is not the female pastors but the fact that you are in a denomination - despite all the warnings regarding unity in the body of Christ which denominations harm and bring shame onto the Church.

Who's will is being done when we do what God's word tells us not to do and not in the way God's word says to do it?

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

But Paul said 'I do not permit ...' not God does not permit - so its not lawlessness unless you have raised Paul to the level of God.

@dnzswithwombats

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelicornelius No need to make Paul God. Let's be serious. Paul wrote under the inspiration of God and the whole Bible is God-breathed.

@theeternalsbeliever1779

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelicornelius In 1 Cor. 14, Paul states in no uncertain terms that this was a command from God. And since Paul's letters to Timothy were written just before he was martyred, Paul was confident enough as an apostle of God to tell Timothy that he had the authority to enforce the same edict in Ephesus. God gave Paul the authority to enforce that command because it is what He wanted to be done. It was NOT Paul's opinion.

@user-mj9ti4zz8c

4 ай бұрын

"Who"s will? Read Isaiah 14:12-77 where Lucifer (Satan) said "I WILL" five times. Who's will is being done? MY WILL."

The simple question is do they fulfill the requirements listed for eldership in 1st Timothy and Titus.......I highly doubt anyone with a biblical compass would agree they do.

@IndianaJoe0321

4 ай бұрын

To me, egalitarians don't seem to consider the pastoral epistles. How can a woman "be the husband of one wife?"

@MansterBear

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. My aunt and I have discussed this multiple times and each family gathering she comes back with another egalitarian argument she’s found since the last time. I stopped debating her and now I just ask her “so a woman can be the husband of 1 wife?”

@thomasc9036

4 ай бұрын

@@IndianaJoe0321 Isn't it Wusband? :-)

@IndianaJoe0321

4 ай бұрын

That's when,@@MansterBear , a person finds out that her/his idea doesn't eisegete very well into the scriptures -- there should not be one, single, solitary verse/passage that disagrees with one's theology.

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

This in ONLY Pauline teaching no other disciples said anything about this.

How do you decide what is clear from the Scriptures? If you interact with our more conservative brothers (people in our reformed camp), how do you decide who is right? If someone has a different opinion on what the Scriptures teach about exclusive psalmody, instruments, preservation of Scripture, frequency of the supper, etc, are they a false teacher?

4 ай бұрын

Good point.

The sin that is so serious is the one suppressing God's daughters in their callings and saying it is scriptural truth. It is an offense towards God with zero biblical basis unless you twist scripture. Repent! God will hold you accountable for the harm you cause.

@ladymoses4224

Ай бұрын

God bless you. Christ used and allowed women. In fact the disciples were surprised but didn't question Him in John 4

@sheroyal9326

11 күн бұрын

The Lord also said in John 14 if you love Him, you will keep His commandments. This is a true Scripture but suppressing women calling to rule over men in God’s house. I can only relate with Jezebel’s daughter, who felt her true calling was to rule Judah.

@StandUp777

11 күн бұрын

@sheroyal9326 Unfortunately, you have committed a grave sin in twisting scripture and teaching false doctrine. Scripture says not many should teach, and you are a prime example as to why. Please seek the Lord in prayer and study to show yourself an approved Christian who rightly divides and handles the word of God. Otherwise, keep silent.

🍓 I am a female Christian and would say that female are not allowed to preach(teach) according to what I have gone through. I no long preach(teach) after getting the confirmation from King James Version.

@genewood9062

4 ай бұрын

I trust your studies include Luke 10:19 (with context), and Mark 16:15-18. ............ BTW, in Mark 16:17, the KJV has "devils", but the underying Greek word it is translating, is actually "demons". Here is, right from the Textus Receptus: δαιμονια (demons) εκβαλουσιν (they'll cast out). ............ NOTE: Mark 16:15-20 is part of the Great Commission. It applies to all Christians for as long as the gospel will be preached! :--}>

@Jesus.loves.you.123

4 ай бұрын

@@InspiralJez 🍓 Whatever I have said here is all true. Probably, I should have said that I am no longer scared of demons/devils. Anyway, I am not scared of demons/devils whatsoever, because I have known the truth and limitations of what they are allowed to do.

@Jesus.loves.you.123

4 ай бұрын

@@genewood9062 🍓 Thank you brother. At first, my siblings, who are also Christians, did not believe what I told was true, but, gradually, in the last 2 years, they started believing what I said was true.

@Jesus.loves.you.123

4 ай бұрын

@@InspiralJez 🍓 At the very beginning, I was a bit scared of the demon, for I misunderstood that demons attack humans as they want, but now, I can honestly tell you that I am not scared of demons at all. The only things I am concerned is that I always get attacked for committing sins ignorantly. Anyway, the new attack has started, but not physically this time. Obviously, a part of what I wrote in here must have violated the Scriptures, but I don't know which part, since the whole massage is true. Now, I have to edit my message to make it a very brief message. Anyway, nice talking to you.

Although I disagree about infant baptist 🙂, I very much appreciate your take on the disagreement and I too believe we are brothers and one of us just happens to be wrong about that particular issue. There are some other things that sincere, genuine disciples of Jesus disagree on. One day, we'll all know. I also agree with your take here concerning women pastors and the slippery slope. Satan seems to use gender as a very divisive tool and I believe that women serving in offices that the Bible clearly denies them is one of Satan's strongest attacks on the church. Thanks for this well-spoken and thoughtful take on this divisive subject.

1986 Finland allowed female pastors in lutheran church. Now it is in serious trouble. Born again believers are about to leave the "church" for effort to allow gaymarriage equally with biblical marriage. That's how serious error is female pastors and leadership. Hi from Finland !

I see the female pastors issue as more of a symptom of heresy than a cause of heresy. I don't see EPC and ECO going down the same slippery slopes as the PCUSA, since they didn't start having female pastors as a result of liberalism, they simply inherited egalitarianism from the PCUSA and haven't been quite conservative enough to change that

@_ZachB_

4 ай бұрын

Female pastor -> Homosexuality -> Apostasy ie. PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. Symptom or no, sometimes the slope is indeed slippery. Mandate female pastors, like the above denominations do and the rest are almost sure to follow. As far as I know right now there is still the possibility of a moral exemption from female ordination at the presbytery level in the EPC not so sure about the ECO. I can't think of a single mainline denomination that would allow me to be an elder and take a personal exemption from the ordination of women. Definitely not PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. How could someone be a member under such strictures, there is no chance to change presbytery or denominational views because you have no official voice to change polity if they won't even ordain/appoint you as an elder without compromising your morality. Best bet is getting as many lay people on your side and then funneling them out as quickly as possible.

@danreichenberg5249

4 ай бұрын

I attended an ECO church with my wife for a while because it was the church she was part of when I met her. (First Presbyterian Colorado Springs) There is a lot of bad theology going down there. Especially when the women preachers get up to preach. Denying the authority of Scripture is denying the authority of Scripture, and it always leads to more and more errors and heresies. I can tell you scary stories!!!

Priscilla (with her husband, Aquila) has a church, in her home (Rom 16:3-5 & 1 Cor 16:19). Paul (the same guy who wrote the 1 Tim 2:12 verse) constantly commends her (and her husband) for her work (Rom 16:3, 1 Cor 16:19 & 2 Tim 4:19). Priscilla (with her husband) taught a man (Apollos), in Act 18:26, expanding his knowledge beyond just the Baptism of John. Anna (a prophetess & widow) spoke to anyone, in Jerusalem, looking to be redeemed in the Lord (Luke 2:36-38). 1 Tim 2:13-14 talks about Adam's authority over Eve but puts it in a "men rule over women" sort of way. If we go back to Gen 3:16 God tells Eve that Adam's authority over her is that of a "husband over wife" and not "men over women". So, when 1 Tim 2:12 says "women usurping authority over men" is really about wives, and that the husband is above the wife and not "all men over all women". As other verses and books of the bible repeats the "wives submit to your own husbands" commandment (Gen 3:16, Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, etc.). Makes sense as women will not be submitting themselves to men that aren't their own husbands.

@75Cee

4 ай бұрын

What a solid biblical explanation.

No such thing as female clergy just females dressed up as clergy.

God's created order. If we don't follow it, it opens up to all kinds of error.

The way you feel about women preachers is the way I feel about people who teach infant baptism. But I don’t think those issues are enough to make it so that I cannot fellowship with either group.

@willfull1604

4 ай бұрын

This is a false analogy. There are solid scriptural arguments for Presbyterian infant baptism (not baptismal regeneration) as analogous to circumcision even if you or I don't agree with them. The scriptures are clear. Women are not to be preachers or hold authority over men in the church or home.

@jeffball6108

4 ай бұрын

Hi, can I ask what is the difference between infant baptism and Presbyterian infant baptism? Also, do you have a video on infant baptism?

@jonasaras

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@willfull1604The NT states that physical circumcision has been replaced by circumcision of the heart, and NOT done with hands, (Romans 2:29, Col 2:11). Unless you baptize yourself, it’s done by human hands. There is no case in the NT of an unbeliever being baptized.

@Yesica1993

4 ай бұрын

The difference being that the Bible is silent on infant baptism. I am not aware of any example of babies / young children baptized in the Bible, or any stating of it. The examples we do have are adults, or at least people able to understand what they're doing. In contrast, the Bible speaks directly against women being pastors/teachers of men. That is the difference. I would be okay visiting a church that baptizes babies, as long as they make it clear this does not save them. But I could not be a member at such a church. My former church (lost through Covid) baptized babies sometimes. But it wasn't pushed on everyone and it was always clearly stated that it was not for salvation. It wasn't very often, and everything else about the church and its teaching was wonderful. So I was okay with it. In contrast, I could not even visit a church where a woman was preaching. That's outright rebellion.

@completestrangeronline7284

4 ай бұрын

@@Yesica1993 The problem with that is, there’s forward movement in the New Testament that suggests in other ecclesiastical contexts, women did have prominent ministry roles, such as Romans 16. And in 1 Timothy 2::12-13 notice Paul says I do not permit he didn’t say God did not ever permit a woman to speak or have authority over a man, the reason why Paul did not permit it was because false teachers were coming into the congregations and gaining control over weak willed women who were loaded down with sins. It’s quite possible that if Paul was writing to a church in America today, the question of whether or not a woman can minister for God wouldn’t even come up. We gotta use our heads and not quote texts out of context. So maybe an understanding of the culture and the context might bring clarity on these prohibitions. And if anyone wants to be contentious about this particular exposition, remember that you have to do the same thing if you want to justify infant baptism, there is no specific case in the New Testament where a baby is baptized, you have to look at the forward movement of the New Testament toward the baptizing of households. So there!

I would put a category parallel to 'error' and below 'false teaching' that would be those areas that are unclear or disputable in scripture. I would also add that in the categories of "disputable" and "false teaching" it is not just one or the other is right, it is also possible that both who disagree are wrong. I would put egalitarian views in the false teaching category, I would put church structure in the disputable category.

@theeternalsbeliever1779

4 ай бұрын

God's Word is NOT unclear about the issue. The real issue is you're trying to blur the lines on a subject that God says is black and white. The average atheist can read all of the passages and reach the same conclusion. God has never been unclear on doctrinal matters. Ppl simply try to rationalize them as being unclear in order to feign ignorance. When God says women are not to possess ecclesiastical authority, that's exactly what He means.

some churches allow female deacons saying it's a service office and has no authority, but scripture does say even deacons should be the husband of one wife, just like elders and pastors. they try to say it's because the Bible is often taking the masculine form even when referring to both men and women but you can't apply that as being men only and men and women in the other instance.

@GavinChmielewski

4 ай бұрын

In 1 Tim 3:11, the Greek word translated wives could just mean women. Which could mean that Paul is outlining the requirements for female deacons. It would be odd for Paul to include requirements for deacon's wives here but not the elders wives earlier in the chapter. The next verse would then be a prohibition against elders being polygamists'. Also, Paul already acknowledged that their is a female deacon in Rome, in Romans 16:1. He even speaks positively about her.

@Batis_Patikilye

Ай бұрын

^This is wrong. Some scholars argue that the use of the term servant to describe some women(Phoebe for example) in the New Testament epistles indicates that they held the office of deacon, since the same word is used both to describe an unordained servant and an ordained servant. The problem with this view is that Paul's description of the qualifications stipulates male-only eligibility ("husband of one wife" is used for both elders and deacons, 1 Tim. 3:2, 12) and also that the general term servant is also used by Paul for non Christians, such as the emperor (Rom 13:4). A sound treatment of the New Testament qualifications for offices shows that the general use of the term deacon/servant can be applied to anyone, including women and non Christians, whereas the official use of this term (office in the church) for deacons is specifically restricted for men.

In God's eyes I don't believe there is a rating of seriousness of sin. Whether you be a serial murderer, or a white liar you will in both cases meet the same fate. If you are to follow a woman preacher you are following a false teacher, and your salvation may be in jeopardy. You may be following a male false teacher all the same, as they are seekers of power and occupy churches all around us, but in the case of woman pastors, it's just that much easier to discern.

@user-mj9ti4zz8c

4 ай бұрын

Yes, there are male false teachers, and we should be aware of and flee from them.

Very well put. I‘ve seen first hand the slippery slope that has lead to acceptance of accepting of homosexuality and other forms of sexual sin of the alphabet communities When I was in Leipzig, Germany. Especially among Lutheran Landeskirche. Germany is more egalitarian than the U.S., and especially the area that was formerly East Germany where I have lived for most of the last two years. I’ve also seen several false teachings, and errant charismatic excesses that have been brought to the local churches by women go uncorrected. The most aggresious example is back in June there was a women from California who called herself an Apostle Of Jesus Christ held a revival event in the building where my home congregation rented our meeting space. I spent the last 9 years in the Assemblies of God, and have served with Their World mission, and this is not the only issue that factored into my decision not to further go into the Assemblies Of God World Mission. Not only is this practice rebellion against the way the Church has been prescribed for us in the New Testament, but undermines the order of creation as well.

You are right on target pastor, stand strong! Women should also remember this; The Lord chose 12 Apostles to go out and spread the Gospel, to teach and preach. There is never mention of The Lord appointing women. Main reason is, they are a distraction, specifically for men. The hair, the bosom exposure, the tight clothes, short skirts, exotic heel, false eye lashes on and on to mention a few. The pulpit is to get fed with the word of God. It is NOT a stage! I will never attend churches where women are pastors. Oh yes, I AM A WOMEN. I go straight to what is written even if I have to stay home and do it. Stand strong against the evil sweeping the land. Blessings to you.

@ItsWorkingTogetherForMyGood

Ай бұрын

I agree and I am a woman. So much peace sitting at His feet and listening like Mary and Martha

If your church has female pastors, Leave it or compromise the word and support a non biblical church.

This was a great video… where does Evolution fit on that spectrum??? I view evolution as a Gospel issue because Romans 5 and original sin is butchered due to it.

@tzgardner

4 ай бұрын

I watched a great presentation on this subject recently on KZread. It's called "The Age of Things: Does it Matter?" by Kurt Wise

Thank you for the Truth! I told some women that a woman is not a pastor! They did like the Truth! I Speak the Truth of GOD'S WORD! They Know the Truth and I gave the Scriptures! They have a woman Pastor!

I am a retired Lutheran pastor, and have come through 2 denominations where pastors could be women. As Matthew says, it leads to a slippery slope to becoming pro-choice, not removing but even accepting homosexuals into the ministry, etc. I left those denominations because of further false teaching, and went to a denomination which was more Biblical. I would like to propose another category, and that is "False Living". This is when someone knows something is wrong according to the Scriptures, but will not repent of their sin, or if they have repented in the past, it remains a stronghold for them (2 Cor. 10:4). This would be less than false teaching, because they practice it but do not publicly teach it as right or approve of it (Rom. 1:32). I find many Christians struggling in this area.

Once you said you believe in “infant baptism” you lost me as a follower. I may as well follow the pope.

Thanks for this Pastor Matt. I think you've got the seriousness of the sin right where I would put it as well. Being an elder in the only Reformed church in a 200 mile radius, I have to take Zoomers approach and stick it out in my denomination that allows women pastors (Our local church does not). Ready to Harvest had a good video on this topic as well. If I remember right he mentioned a denomination in Australia that made the move to allow women pastors, and actually reversed it years down the road. I'm hopeful that the conversation keeps going in our congregation and denomination and this could someday be the case for us.

I don't believe it is a sin for a female to be a pastor. This was just a cultural construct and not a prohibition for all times/cultures.

My brother in law once commented that all these problems in the church seemed to begin once women stated become ministers . We belonged to PCUSA for several decades. Left them and eventually landed in an ECO church. In His good time, it became obvious to us that female elders, teaching and ruling , was not Biblical. Now, wait for it… we are in a Lutheran Church Missouri Synod church.

I had no problem with female pastors until I saw the way Churches that ordained them became.

Thank you for this message, I like to hear what I need not what I want.

MARTIN LUTHER: “Men have broad shoulders and narrow hips, and accordingly they possess intelligence. Women have narrow shoulders and broad hips. Women ought to stay at home; the way they were created indicates this, for they have broad hips and a wide foundation to sit upon.”

The Greek word translated Authority in Timothy is questionable, it is not the same word Paul uses which is translated into authority in any of his other letters. The scripture is not as clear as many reading English bibles make out, people also skip the implications of vs 15 and fail to acknowledge that you can not take this as literally as the previous verse’s otherwise that promotes another means of salvation. Question should not be is it a sin, but what is the sin of silencing half the bride of Christ? I think Satan has done an amazing job confusing the Church over this and stopping our sisters from preaching the word. It never has been a clear cut issue, but in the interests of keeping the peace, and keeping male egos unhurt most church’s restrict women’s orders. John Stott, NT wright, are two holy men of God who agreed with Women’s ordinations and allowed women to speak….you’re a brave person saying they were 100% incorrect, and a fool to say it’s a clear cut issue that should not be debated. Jesus taught women, he used women to speak to others, so did Paul, not sure why churches take such a strong line based on a dub interpretation of a couple of Pauline letters which were written not on the topic, and were sent to a specific church with a specific purpose. Lots of single male preachers who do not have one wife …like the entire RC faith group.

@shaunhunterit342

4 ай бұрын

Generally female preachers/teachers tend to focus on social justice and creating temporal harmony. I have never heard a female teacher with a serious outlook on either doctrine or fighting our true enemies: the world, the flesh and the devil. If you're aware of a female teacher who does these things please let me know.

@conceptualclarity

4 ай бұрын

John Stott was an annihilationist who chose not to sign the Chicago statement on inerrancy in 1979. NT Wright is by my understanding a long way from being theologically conservative, and I'm not basing that primarily on his sex roles view viewpoint

Pastor, before you conclude that it is sin for female to preach. Ask the Lord Jesus and correctly interpret 1 Tim. 2:15 and Gal. 3:28. Or you too will stand before God give account for your error. Stop using Bible says to put your fellow sister in suppression. Even the devil quoted the Scriptures... Beware...get wisdom and understanding. ❤. God bless you, Sir.

Interesting post. Although I once was a pastor in a denomination that ordained women, and have attended other churches that are part of denominations that do, I have always leaned complimentarian. Like you, I haven't been fully persuaded by the arguments for ordaining women. And, although, it may only be associational and not causal, I find it interesting that so many denominations that voted to ordain women have gone on to approve practicing homosexuals, transgenders, and the like.

Im a woman...I heard jesus tell me one day....go into all the world and preach the gospel....when I was a Lil girl I had dreams of going to Africa...to be a missionary.... And this video calls it sin???.. This video is wrong !!!!

I’m so glad i left protestantism

Lutheran here. ELCA brand. Our pastors gave been getting married and ordained while female for quite a while. Yeah, maybe "logic" shouldn't be applied to theology, but logically as God is omniscient he would know what future societies would become and I really doubt that the lord wishes to exclude women from helping build churches and attract worshippers. But hey, you all do you.

Hello, i have a question that I hope you can answer. I think I know the answer but i would like your opinion if you have a moment. I understand this video about female pastors but i would like to know if a female christian youtuber would fall under this category. I have found several christian women on youtube who speak about the gospel as well as offer advice and teach. Does this count ? Thank you in advance

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

And like everything else on YT there are the good, bad and ridiculous - men and women speaking.

@mlneale1959

4 ай бұрын

Just my two cents, when Josiah inquired of God about the overthrow of Jerusalem because of their sin, the prophet was actually a prophetess. I would consider the issue more about authority than knowledge and instruction.

@peteverhelst2088

4 ай бұрын

I realize that I’m not pastor Everhart, but pls bear with me. The text quoted earlier says specifically that she shall not have authority in the church. A KZread video or teaching in school is not having authority in church.. the Lord ties this directly elsewhere to Eve being made second and that she sinned first.

@user-iz8np3vv4i

4 ай бұрын

Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.

@peteverhelst2088

4 ай бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i why was Deborah a judge? Was it not because the men neglected their duty? A woman could never be a priest. Levites also we’re all men. Deborah was the exception not the rule.

My wife and I draw a hard line in the sand against everything below error. Error sometimes can be corrected with enough humility, truth, and love. If it can't be corrected, it's already into the false teaching category and requires more determined and robust action, up to and including relocation.

Thank you. Those categories were so helpful.

I bring to your attention a channel on youtube called Word Speak 1048. The man did 11 video's breaking down bibically why women have not been called by God. I believe it's titled women in the pulpit. God is clear on who he has called and who he hasn't.

Someone that is in rebellion and disobedience will have a very difficult time clearly hearing and walking in the Spirit.

Well said, I have seen allowing females pastors connected with the bible in its particular culture, so instead of the word of God as eternal truth it is subject to its time in history. This denies the inerrancy of scripture which I believe is at the heart of churches bowing to the culture.

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

The Bible is only inerrant in the original manuscripts which we don't have, is the NIV, Message Bible, KJB etc etc are they all inerrant because they contradict each other. They all choose to translate words/passages based on their doctrinal position.

Thanks for the clear teaching on these categories Pastor. My upbringing was in the UPC and I watched the trajectory "progress" ever downward. I have been in the C&MA my entire adult life (itself an offshoot from the Presbyterian church) but the denomination has committed to egalitarianism. Is there handwriting on the wall? My conscience cannot be quieted on this issue so far and I am wondering how this is going to work out. Unity at the expense of fidelity to the truth? One thing I must not do is walk a path without God's light in the way.

@michaelicornelius

4 ай бұрын

God's light yet - but Paul says 'I do not permit ...' so it isn't God's word here but Pauls. As for the downward trend, in the mid 1800s Spurgeon said the downgrade of Christianity had already begun. He of course was a calvanist and that teaching was highly speculative.

@conceptualclarity

4 ай бұрын

Has the Christian and Missionary Alliance also turned against wives submitting to their husbands?

@paulreilly4510

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelicornelius It seems every generation has points of conflict between the body of Christ and the culture. I am sure Spurgeon was correct in that day just as we are seeing all things gender as the tip of the spear culture is attempting to skewer the body of Christ with. Thanks for seeing that this is not new. The issue about Holy Scripture is very important. How we view God's word says a lot about how we trust the power of God.

@paulreilly4510

4 ай бұрын

@@conceptualclarity An answer to this question is as difficult to give as the question is to analyze. On the surface I have never heard a word spoken about it. That may be an answer in itself. I do recall a message I heard at least 10 years ago on the love & respect passages. The sermon was time weighted about 80/20 toward love. I can construe all sorts of meaning about the importance of instructing men to, and how to, love their wives. It is true, I need to hear and do it myself. But there is a clear message in the missing weight in the message. I give the benefit of the doubt to the weight of responsibility and leadership. Yet don't the "love & respect" passages and the "no male or female" both show that we all need instruction and grace?

@conceptualclarity

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelicornelius it is God's word. I Cor. 14:37

You have to look at the pattern that has been happening in many churches, once a church or denomination begins having female pastors, the ordination of gay clergy follows, and then full-blown apostasy and false doctrines.

I have thought about this verse in scripture for a long time. God wants women to spread the Word of God outside the church, not necessarily be a pastor. Women were called to be man's helper ("ezer" in the original translation; a word Jesus uses to describe himself). There are so many examples of women in the Bible that helped Jesus and spread the Word. For example, the people who stayed for Jesus's crucifixion were women. The first person to spread the Gospel at the well was a woman. The first person Jesus appears to after his resurrection was Mary Magdalene, who told others that she saw Jesus. I know that we are important to the kingdom of God because if we weren't, there wouldn't be so many mentions of women in the Bible. ❤

Paul said they should remain silent in the congregation and ask anything about the world from the husband at home. My opinion

@user-iz8np3vv4i

Ай бұрын

Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were still under the Old Covenant laws. Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent. Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers... -excerpts Numbers 27 These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses. What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.

@sheroyal9326

11 күн бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Numbers 36:10-12. Just as the Lord commanded Moses, so did the daughters of Zelophehad; for Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Noah, the daughters of Zelophehad, were married to the sons of their father’s brothers. They were married into the families of the children of Manasseh the son of Joseph, and their inheritance remained in the tribe of their father’s family. The sisters, from the tribe of Manasseh, not from Levites [the priests] requested an inheritance since they had no men relations. They obeyed Moses and married. The sisters’ husbands’ received their rightful inheritance. 1 Corinthians 14:26-40. Paul discusses order in church meetings, not the law or possibilities of the law. He is very clear in each verse. 2 Corinthians 11:3. But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Would having a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus leads believers away from error, false teaching, heresy, blasphemy and apostasy? Does any church teach its people to build a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus?

The title of this video is a loaded question. If we were to go through the list of qualifications for elder positions, most male pastors would not live up to the standard. Yet they continue to practice ministry. Same people say women cannot teach men, even though they aren't qualified to do so either.

@user-mj9ti4zz8c

4 ай бұрын

None of us can actually live up to the Bible's standards 100%. If the man is not qualified, then he should not be teaching.

@user-iz8np3vv4i

4 ай бұрын

@@user-mj9ti4zz8c And what are the qualifications for 'father'? Be careful of the teachings of Paul. ________________________________________________________ For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus

1 Cor 14:34-37 clearly makes female pastors heretical: "1Co 14:34-37 "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that THE THINGS I WRITE TO YOU ARE THE LORD'S COMMANDMENT." Emphasis added. It is a direct and heretical flaunting of the Gospel and surrender to culture: Romans 12:1,2: "Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. AND DO NOT BE CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect." Emphasis added. Accepting female pastors is far more detrimental to the Gospel than a simple false teaching because it is not only a violation of a direct commandment of our Lord but also will lead to even more surrender of the Gospel to culture as noted by the brother below.

I’m at work right now, but I hope your answer is very, very serious :)

Hey brother, I recently encouraged my mother (professing believer) to visit a nearby EPC based on watching one of their services online and talking with the pastor. He's reformed and seems to reference Luther and Calvin, quite a bit. He's nearby where she lives, which is important because she's rather immobile and needs assistance getting to and from. I'm hoping this could be a good step for her, but your video made me wonder if I should be concerned for any reason. In the EPC, are there straight-up reformed biblical churches, or are they by definition problematic, simply for BEING an EPC church rather than PCA?

Well put, great content, I think for future content you could perhaps speak about current women pasters and what they should do now, that they are practicing?

what verse do you reference in your practice of infant baptism? Have you ever baptized adults? We see that John the Baptist baptized believers in the Jordan river by immersion. It's not indicated there is any other baptism anywhere in scripture. It's not necessarily a good idea to follow the practices of any church blindly unless it's biblical whether PCA, PCUSA, Southern Baptist or any other.

@leviwilliams9601

4 ай бұрын

By your logic, women would not get communion because the Bible didn't explicitly say they should. We believe in covenant theology. For example, baptism in Hebrews to all the people of Israel escaping Egypt under the Red Sea. Children and infants were in that group. God works covenantly with his people. As a Christian man, who is married to a godly woman. All my children are Christians whether they like it or not. They can fall away, but they are Christians. For example, Jesus cut off all the Jews off the covenantal tree because they denied him. They were still Jewish though.

@tonimccoy9778

4 ай бұрын

You know, I don't know how my Christian brothers can read their bible and not see there are 2 gospels..1 for Israel and 1 for gentiles.The lord in the gospels is obviously preaching to Jews and Apostle Paul to the gentiles.Acts 9 explains this clearly as the Lord Jesus speaks to Annanias from heavens glory..The bible is all written for us but not all to us..God bless..Toni's husband

@TheRebeccaLivermore

4 ай бұрын

@@leviwilliams9601 thanks for sharing your thoughts. How do you reconcile infant baptism with believing preceding baptism in Mark 16:16?

@theeternalsbeliever1779

4 ай бұрын

@@tonimccoy9778 There is only _1_ gospel that is in scripture, and the same gospel was preached to both Israelites and Gentiles.

Good insights. I'm with you on the issue of women pastors, and the category in which you place it. I see the same hermeneutic used to justify egalitarianism as is used to justify same-sex marriage and the acceptability of a LGBTQ+ perspective. It's often (but not always) a slippery slope.

Rev. Everhard, I am interested in your book "The Theology of Joy" but I'm having trouble finding a review of it. Since the library doesn't have it, I'd have to buy it, and so I'd like to first know the contents of what I'm buying - things like its theme and its intended audience, how accessible it is to laypeople, and the like. I have a lot of respect for you and so I'd like to check out this book if it is something I should read, especially as you refer to it as your "magnum opus." Thanks. (Randy S.)

We started attending a Presbyterian church for a brief period of time. My husband said no more when they showed a film clip of their missionaries and a woman declared herself a pastor . I was disappointed. We drive a distance now to a church with good Bible teaching but it’s too far to get involved at. I grew up in church and served my whole adult life until we moved. I miss being part of a church family a lot. But we tried so many churches close to us and nothing was right. I finally just decided to let him pick because our opinions in what we are looking for are so different. I want a family , a community to serve with , lots of young people and kids ( we are old now) but he wants a simple Bible teaching church ( only a Calvary chapel) where you don’t have to talk to anyone 🤣

It is obvious from the scriptures that women should be seen and not heard in the church. Can I get an Amen? 🙏

I pretty much agree here, though I do think, there are far more dangerous ideas in most "Christian" churches. Like blessing same sex unions, which is really minor compared to the ones that affirm all sexuality, and pastors of all sexuality. It gets to the point that sins based on pride, lust and other sins supersede the churches preaching of God, to the point the church looks more like the world than it does Christianity. I do agree female pastors do seem to be the first step of a slippery slope though, which can be a fallacy if you assumed it in the 1960's when it really started gaining some traction, but in 2024 we can clearly see most churches that accepted female pastors have now included almost any identity no matter how sinful, it seems to be, so there is plenty of evidence that there has been a slippery slope there, and allowing female pastors has almost always led to LGBT pastors. And once that happens the church looks no different than the secular world, so we might as well just be atheists at that point.

Could you do a video of your thoughts on the Hebrew Roots Movement? The pace at which it is growing is alarming. I believe they are spreading false teaching that could lead to apostasy.

No Women Evangelists (KJV) 1st Corinthians 14:34-35: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” 1st Timothy 2:10-14: “But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.” Joel 2:28-“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Joel 2:28 is fulfilled in Acts 2:17, and Acts 21:8-9 with verse 9 explained like this: “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” Philip had four daughters who at that time were virgins and they did prophesy. It should be pointed out that the gift of prophecy is not limited to preachers only. There is a difference between one called to be a prophet and the gift of prophecy. A prophet of course will have the gift of prophecy, but they are not the only ones who have the gift of prophecy. Ephesians 4:11-12 explains that all who are blessed with spiritual blessings can aid in the perfecting (maturity) of the saints, the work of the ministry, and the edifying of the body of Christ. Old Testament Reference: Jeremiah 3:15-“And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.” New Testament Reference: Hebrews 5:4-5, “And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.” So Christ Himself could not have began His ministry until God the Father called Him to preach. Think on these things.

I would also say women can not validly administer the Eucharist, meaning she is damaging the entire congregation. That to me is far worse than false teaching

@mikegallant811

Ай бұрын

Well let me put it to you this way friend, in all the time I have been in the Roman Catholic church and that was since I was baptized back when I was a little baby, but definitely at least since I received my first communion back when I was a little fella, I have never had a problem and I never will have a problem with women being Eucharistic ministers. And in one of the churches I used to belong to with my mom and dad, they even gave the Eucharistic ministers a nice little medallion that had the symbol of the Eucharist on it.

@WaterMelon-Cat

Ай бұрын

@@mikegallant811 Women can not be priests, hence they can not consecrate the blood and body. Women can distribute the sacrament in extra ordinary circumstances, but the Priest and Decon/Elders should always be the ones to distribute in any normative way.

@mikegallant811

Ай бұрын

@@WaterMelon-Cat well, all the Catholic churches I've been a member of have had both male and female Eucharistic ministers, that have given to communicants the Body, and where the church has done both forms, the Blood of Christ. And that is hopefully the way it will remain, for many long happy good years. In fact I hope the church never stops allowing both genders to be Eucharistic ministers.