What I find most impressive on Seppo's throw, that it looks sooo effortless, so elastic and smooth. There's no feeling he would be forcing too hard or risk for injuries.

McBeth with the smooth narration!

@brocktaylor8584

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@atte9702

2 жыл бұрын

Its crazy he decided to come narrate this video

analyse Kristian Kuoksa next he throws even further you can find some vids about his form on his yt channel

@kanervatie

2 жыл бұрын

This.

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

You have our attention

@franskangas1424

2 жыл бұрын

@@rotadiscgolf great to hear that

@aleksipekkala4748

2 жыл бұрын

@@rotadiscgolf His video "how to throw REALLY far" is even in english :) and he throws even further than in that video nowdays

@konstavilkman4926

2 жыл бұрын

He just today released video throwing 238m (780ft). Just insane.

Seppo’s form has always been my favorite, nothing flashy and looks effortless. Another great thrower that uses the cro hop is Steve brinster

@Postermaestro

Жыл бұрын

pretty sure he uses the Brinster hop!

3:20-3:25 time frame, maybe a minor point, but that's not really a "high hyzer". I'd call that more like an "anhyzer flex shot". He may have released it from the hand on a slight hyzer angle or flat, but the high speed throw combined with that disc maybe being a bit more understable (at least at his arm speed) turned it over to the right which is an anhyzer angle. Because he put it up high, then it "flexed out" and finished with the fade back left at the end to get max distance.

@FizzyP

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe we're splitting hairs here, but I do not use the terminology like you do. When I say a shot is "hyzer" or "anhyzer" I'm referring to the angle it leaves your hand on. But, point taken, calling it a "high hyzer" is a bit confusing because it makes you assume it stayed on a hyzer. Although any shot can "flex" or "flex out", an "anhyzer flex shot" is always understood to be an overstable disc, leaving the hand on an anhyzer, and slowly fighting out (not what this shot is). A "high turn-over" is probably the most accurate thing you could call it.

The run-up and crow-hop are about lowering your center of gravity and then pushing down against the ground to increase your traction while your legs/hips/upper body unwind. To understand why it's necessary, just stand on dirt surface, legs apart, wind up your body to throw without really bending your knees much (think "stand tall"), and then unwind (like you're throwing a backhand) as hard as you can. Notice your feet will slide around. Now do the same, but this time bend your knees and push off the back foot as you unwind. Notice there's a more direct transfer of energy from your feet though your body to your arm without the feet sliding as much. The run-up and crow hop is an extension of this. Instead of just bending your knees and pushing up against your own stationary inertia, you jump up a little bit, and then as you come down and let your knees bend you push even harder into the ground against that downward momentum for even more traction. The problem I have with the hop is that it tends to mess up the angle of my swing. When I push down to arrest the downward movement of my body after the hop, my extended arm continues on downward a little bit causing the backswing to be lower, and thus the release angle to be higher. In other words, I launch the disc at the sky. I'm getting longer drives right now by slowing down my run-up and just using a longer final step so feet are wider apart and that also helps with traction while unwinding.

Excellent video breakdown! 👏 several things were nearly verbatim of how I explain generating power to new players. Nearly perfect 😁 but I think highlighting how he loads his wrist to generate so much spin is the most intriguing part of his form, especially for players with shorter wingspans

Man, I can't wait to see the Euro players and US players competing more frequently. Folks like Seppo, Lauri L, Vaino M, and all of the awesome female Euro players (Kristin T esp) are amazing.

Next level disc golf analysis. This is great stuff!

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated, Rick!

I absolutely love the explanation of power being drawn from the connection between the legs and ground. This is the perfect way to describe proper upward energy transfer through the body.

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! Appreciate you checking out the video

I have the same hop i just developed it naturally. I never knew i was hopping for years until i filmed myself. Been trying to get rid of it and actually lost some distance. The downside of it is that because your back leg isn't anchored it can get out of sink with your "reachback" because essentially you have to leave the disc in place and hop away from it to move around the disc. It can cause you to fully extend quite a bit before your plant foot initiates the drive through so I've been working on delaying it. Current best is 509 ft.

The thing you talked about when seppo uses his legs is called a “brace”. His rear leg pushes to create power, while his front leg is stationary once planted, creating the pivot point his body will use to rotate around. Paul Mcbeth has an extremely similar brace once both feet are set in place for the throw.

@Postermaestro

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining, also Dunning Kruger!

I would say from a regular run up vs a big distance run up. I use the hop in big distance run up. Excited to see how adding it in my “walk” up control distance

Thanks to all you alls videos I'm finally getting it myself. Thanks

@rotadiscgolf

Жыл бұрын

So cool to hear, thanks!

Amazing video like normal. You sure know how to make sense of a throw.

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Seekr 👊

You will absolutely have to sacrifice distance into headwinds. But there are ways to mitigate this.

I think it’s really interesting that seppo is one of the farthest throwers, but doesn’t use a straight reach back, as in his arm never fully extends at each back; he’s talked about it at length.

@justinbalcome392

2 жыл бұрын

Same with Calvin

@benjaminbouaoune4466

2 жыл бұрын

I'm new to the sport (1year), but come from high level ultimate, and i never understood the extended arm reachback that everyone teaches in DG. When i try it, i feel that i sacrifice sooo much accuracy, lose the eye connection to the target, get the hips overturned ... Feels like completly wrong, i would never teach that to my ultimate team players. I still try sometimes, but, for me its not worth it.

@Flyzguy

2 жыл бұрын

It's almost like DG is full of popular but unsubstantiated opinions with a real lack of science.

Is this Paul McBeth’s secret second channel???? Sounds very similar to him lol.

You do realize seppo throws probably more stand stills than almost any other player I’ve ever seen. I think seppo is amazing but i don’t see his distance throws as what i find impressive about his game. He is king of the Forrest for a reason. His accuracy with stand still mid and putter shots is incredible

@Zamppa85

2 жыл бұрын

Many finnish players thows lots of stand stils like seppo

@TheHehhoi

2 жыл бұрын

The courses in Finland are generally quite "foresty" and require more accuracy than power. Leading to many Finns throwing standstills.

Compare this to the fastest throwers in the world - javelin throwers. They build up speed and do a final hop in the end to get as much energy as possible from planting the front foot hard.

I turned 35 this year, I started disc golf may 10th 2021 I broke 400 ft with a forehand two weeks ago.

This was a nice video, thanks man!

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it, Chris!

So does that rotational speed help prevent the disc from stalling out toward the end of the flight? It seems that most of the pro's shots land at speed whereas most of the amateur shots, (and all of my own distance shots), I see in my local club and tournaments really stall out at then end of the flight.

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

We would say it's likely a combination of rotational speed and release angle

Paul, I know that voice when I hear it! 🐐

@Pietrood

2 жыл бұрын

@@Imanplays it sure is

Sorry, but here you present a lot of cliches and don't actually explain how Seppo throws far, or what anyone can do to emulate his distance. He throws far because: A) He turns his left foot to point at the ground with extreme speed once it is off the ground. This rotates his torso. Torso rotation speed is what dictates distance. B) He jams his left knee in tightly behind his front knee body to increase his rotation speed. C) He delays his body rotation by building up torsional tension within it by separating the rotation of his hips from the rotation of his shoulders. Just like Eagle McMahon. It is a very athletic movement. D) His right shoulder is locked up tight, and he performs classic Spin & Throw form, with zero shoulder opening. E) With his shoulder locked at 90-degrees, his shoulders whip the disc, as the right shoulder moves backwards relative to the target once the right shoulder rotates beyond the Line Of Play. This creates a powerful whipping motion which allows for far throws. You can't operate a whip unless the whip gets moved backwards against it's direction of travel. Additionally, Seppo could throw a lot further with better plant leg timing. He should be extending his plant leg straight during the smash, just as Drew Gibson does. The leg extension protects the knee from injury, creates a straight pole to rotate on, increases pressure on the ground when it is needed most, increases hip rotation rate by moving the right hip backwards in the same direction is the hips are turning, AND releases pressure on the ground once the leg extension is complete - allowing the plant foot to disengage from the ground, so the player can rotate on their heel. There are no real secrets here. Anyone can learn good Spin & Throw form here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZYaF1ryon7LbhKw.html

Great video!

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

bro great video, but in your microphone audio theres this high frequency that cuts through and makes it tough to listen to with headphones.

@benthegreatoutdoors4675

2 жыл бұрын

I have headphones on and had no issue with the audio

@dickyyy116

2 жыл бұрын

@@benthegreatoutdoors4675 I have headphones on and feels like someone putting needles into my brain. Great video though haha, fine with iPad speaker.

@BillRawlinson

2 жыл бұрын

@@dickyyy116 weird; i hear nothing but the intended audio (I think) though my ears probably suck at picking up higher pitch noises.

@musicmoi

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I hear it too. Very high pitch, almost like a dog whistle. I imagine a good percentage of people can't hear it, it feels like a sound test a doctor would give

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We can’t hear it but are working on a way to identify what the frequency might be to eliminate it in future videos

Good video mate

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Probably the pro most similar to my form. Nice video.

Seppo seems to spin the disc more than me.. imma have to try that

Do a video about kristian kuoksa he throws even further than seppo and hes form looks very clean and effortless

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

We will begin our research! 🧠 📖

Being taller means your arms are longer which translates to more linear velocity at the end of a longer lever (your arm). That's physics and genetics.

My "run-up" is maybe 4 feet long. I started as a standstill righty, then tried adding the run up and lost distance.

@joshuahett1987

2 жыл бұрын

That is because your timing was no longer in sync with the rest of your body. If you can correct the timing you will get more distance with a run up.

@insanzeforlife5150

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuahett1987 I completely understand that, I spent 2 years trying to get the right timing with a full run up but it's just not for me

Hi! your videos are always incredible, but can I make one suggestion? you should edit your voice-over's EQ. Older people may not be able to hear it, but there is a REALLY high pitched ringing noise in the background of all of your voice-overs. younger people like me have a hard time watching your videos because of that ringing noise. I hope it is an easy fix!

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Luke, thanks for pointing this out. We're working on it, and will hopefully have this issue fixed by the time our next video comes out. Please comment if you hear it in future videos, it will help us as we can't actually hear the noise. Thanks for your support!

@yourfriendlukejackson

2 жыл бұрын

@@rotadiscgolf I'll definitely let you know! Also, your logo is really cool and clean.

Great content I enjoyed! It's the Archer not the arrows but the Archer made those arrows the bow and knows how to use what he had made it's the connection between the Archer and arrow same with the disc he knows his disc so well he can throw them with full confidence because he knows that disc and he knows himself but if you made a bad arrow or if you don't know how your disc will fly it's the Archer not the arrows learn your discs at every power and every angle if you can do it all again with wind even better but if we have an arrow that's 90° turn in it it'll shoot but it won't go far remember what discs you feel best about and search for discs simalier to the once you know maybe try that 90° arrow (tilt) youd be surprised what anyone can do! Care about you all in the disc golf community enjoy every moment out there and off the course!

What’s a reachback?

Sick video 📹 🥏💙

That’s not really a Crow Hop Sepo does. Feet don’t Cross on a true Crow Hop. Sepo uses sort of a short and quick X Step that is sort of a combination of an X Step and a Crow Hop. Bryce Harper uses a true Criw Hop. Notice how Bryce Harper’s feet do not cross each other.

Very well put together!

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks KDG!

Like jos oot suomesta🙂

@ErnoAlias

10 ай бұрын

Torilla tavataan

Analyse Kristian Kuoksa next. He throws further.

thats anhyzer bro

@rotadiscgolf

Жыл бұрын

3:20 To us it looks like he clearly releases the disc on hyzer, before it ultimately turns over. There’s another angle in slomo at 5:15.

he doesn't even extend his arm backwards fully for that throw

Nice

i feel it shouldnt be THIS fucking hard to throw farther. i cant wrap my head around how god damn hard it is to increase distance. i cant improve for the life of me and gave up on it. i have too many other hobbies with the amount of time and shit it takes. insain

didnt know kitboga liked discgolf

I'm sorry... why am I hearing paul mcbeths voice???

my buddy who is 6'2 can just launch discs effortlessly. his lanky body 100% helps with distance.

I have been reading the comments and no one has been stating the obvious so allow me. It would appear that the farthest throwers are using a crow hop and not an x-step.Just to be sure I checked that old video of Dave Wiggins jr distance demo and sure enough, no x-step.

ITSYOURBOI

Am I stoned or is Paul McBeth narrating?

How u just gonna leave Simon out

Great video. Twice you called his drive "Hyzer" when he was actually throwing "Anhyzer" on that high angle. Just helps to have your terminology correct when you are doing instructional videos. Overall a great analysis though. You got my subscription many videos ago.

@acollectorslifeforme4201

2 жыл бұрын

Except that his release angle is on hyzer before it flips. He got it right in the video.

Analyse Kristian kuoksa he throw over 200m

Better not be lying about the 3 strokes

This guy sounds like Paul if he got his nose fixed.

Thought he was at least 6'3

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

Yea before we started our research we thought the same

Yeah he threw 659 but 250 of that was on a major decline. Even commentaries said if you can get it to the 400 ish mark and crest the drop off you'll add major distance to your tee. On that hole. Put him on flat ground and let's see him pump a 650ft drive.

Natalie Ryan is a mega talent. Like how often do we see an FPO player go from shooting around 870's to 980 tourneys in under 2 years? I can't believe this is not talked about more, this crusher is beyond Catrina and Paige in terms of raw skill trajectory. She's also probably the biggest distance thrower or soon to be in FPO. We're witnessing the soon to be GOAT, easily. Raw talent, none of which we've seen in FPO yet.

You should find out who Is Kristian Kuoksa. He throws too long.

@rotadiscgolf

2 жыл бұрын

We’re working on a video of him right now. It’s gonna be 🔥

He throws like Lizotte. The disc stays at the same height from the walk up to the release.

Imagine how cool it would be if both of your parents played. Fuck that's sick

And seppo is not even the one with most distance in finland , atleast 2 might be 3 guys that out drives seppo with ease

I'm 5 5 650 will never happen nor will it for mere mortals

@davidlevan9335

2 жыл бұрын

Probably not 650, but anyone in decent shape should be able to exceed 400 feet with good form, and honestly that’s all we mortals really need!

@nicholascaldarelli5332

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlevan9335 I agree but 400 is still very difficult most people I see playing cannot throw 400 and these are you g guys I found the sport too late in life I'm now a old fart at 42 but can keep up and pass the young arms I have not been able to hit 400 I've been playing 5 years

@davidlevan9335

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholascaldarelli5332 yes, im 66 and have been playing over 40 years. Expectations have changed as has proper form analysis. I encourage you to keep working on your form. Video yourself and have it analyzed. You can do it!

@ErnoAlias

10 ай бұрын

I'm 38. Now after 5-6 years of throwing, I have this summer improved my maximum throws from 300-330 feet to 390-410 feet. The biggest help has been from DG Spin Doctor's videos, with which I have improved my form a lot and there is still room for big improvement, as long as I can improve my timing, but it is not the easiest task.