Sorry it took me longer to get the video out - wanted to be 100% sure I'd tested it myself before I talked about it! 👌 To see my (extremely over-the-top) proposal video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-qvJuEmK_NeKg.html

@cmliang9211

Жыл бұрын

hi

@nerfadenscarlos9524

Жыл бұрын

:D

@LestifyYT

Жыл бұрын

Hi

@Blaster_Unity_UB

Жыл бұрын

It's still noice

@nktb

Жыл бұрын

Is fine

I honestly thought this was gonna take a negative turn. I have a new level of respect towards Arun now 🙏🏻 Thank you for being fair and doing proper research, twitter could never.

@reallybadchannel

Жыл бұрын

cringe bot be like edit: bro there was a bot above my reply that's now deleted i'm not accusing the original comment of being a bot 😐

@The1known1

Жыл бұрын

-.-

@pumbi69

Жыл бұрын

@@Safwaan821 because they too is a bot

@apostolkaftani9149

Жыл бұрын

@Safwaan made me laugh so he deserved it

@Imbannedforever..

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being a bot and subscribing to a bot lol

I would just like to moon-tion that I loved all the cheesy moon puns. It was really de-moon-strative of Arun’s incredible moon-tal capacity for top quality jokes that make us giggle

@Lexr294

Жыл бұрын

Damn your comment got hearted by Arun!

@ishigami5071

Жыл бұрын

He is engaged his inner dad is awakening

@ponyogd7708

Жыл бұрын

"moon-tion" gosh this pun is SO bad.

@nicholasselvaggi54

Жыл бұрын

Hey Hey Hey...no mooning in chat🌛 😁

@Cheechorito

Жыл бұрын

what a moon-strosity of puns!

The biggest worry here, at least for me, is that most people just are not aware of how much processing occurs when they take photos on their phones. So, when Samsung advertises that it can take a clear moonshot, it gives the impression that the camera can capture, with clarity, objects as far away as the moon and this is supposed to be a next-gen mind-blowing feature that is supposed to give it a leg up on the competition. Tech nerds see through it but for average consumers, what might sway their decision making is supposed to be a general capability to shoot super clear shots for objects far away and that just is not present here. It's misleading marketing.

@ettadiam3466

8 ай бұрын

Well I actually used to have the Samsung s22 Ultra and I can for sure agree with the video that yes it is AI processing but still it can zoom and give you very clear images from very far away. Not just the moon. It still processes the picture after you've taken it but the result it's pretty crispy. I would 100% say that it has the best zoom quality in the market since I also do this job and I'm a technology consultant and I had the chance to compare almost every phone's camera.

@shrekzooka1

6 ай бұрын

@@ettadiam3466did you just ignore everything he said

@axetbh

5 ай бұрын

​@@ettadiam3466those zoomed inages arent crisp because the camera is good, its because every image taken with 10× + zoom has ai upscaling. For a normal person it wouldn't be visible, but graphic designers like me who upscale assets every now and then can clearly tell if a image is upscaled or not.

@aeriskabkr1110

4 ай бұрын

still prefer that fake moonshot that samsung does than the crappy moonshot that iphones could offer...

@nirogalactoid8398

Ай бұрын

Still would buy a smasung phone over crappy iphones. Over priced shit for even lesser features

I think image processing and correction is fine as long as the photo takers have the option to decide between enhanced photos (for blurry text, things like removing wires, etc.) and genuine, authentic photos. Both have their place, and there are only issues when you're forced into the former without the option for the latter. Well, that and advertising software processing as high-quality optical cameras!

@angelica2269

9 ай бұрын

i agree with you on everything!

@smol6193

8 ай бұрын

What is genuine, authentic photo? Every photo that you take using a smartphone is processed in some form or other. That is why Iphone and Samsung cameras are considered best in the smartphone market because of their better image processing.

@lookingupwithwonder

6 ай бұрын

Yeah they should have been honest

@Somebodythatiusedtoknoww

2 ай бұрын

⁠indeed but what samsung try to market it as a benefit from the hardware

@keithlevkoff8579

23 күн бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly... If I take a picture of my house to send to my friend it's cool that I can click a box and have all the power lines magically disappear... but, if I posted that picture on a real estate ad for the house, I would be guilty of false advertising

Fun fact: I've heard about this ever since the S21 Ultra came out, and for some reason, this news is appearing once again

@vanshgaming10214

Жыл бұрын

Like kro yaaro

@Dark.KnightYT

Жыл бұрын

Same

@nerfadenscarlos9524

Жыл бұрын

WHY CAN YALL GET LIKE AND NOT ME

@The_Patrick_Perspective

Жыл бұрын

@Don't Read My Profile Picture ok

@epicgamerjeremie

Жыл бұрын

It's apple fan boys trying to take down samsung, in my channel I got 100% real pics of the moon, fr these apple users want samsung down [Not all, only the baised ones]

Spotted a familiar face at 7:39. Haha! Great explanation as always, Arun! Super in-depth 👏🏻

@edwardsipoe

Жыл бұрын

hey its you

@dorucreo

Жыл бұрын

especially the part where he defends samsung by saying: "if it is overlay than u should be able to find the moon photo on the phone " 🤦 this is the dumbest thing i ever herd, but hey...if it fools the masses than yeah, good job

@ebinbaby2802

Жыл бұрын

Hey your Videos are great too! I liked the new iPhone concept video!

@Snowmentil

Жыл бұрын

@@dorucreo POV: You can’t spell

@bremertonn

Жыл бұрын

@@Snowmentil pov: you play roblox 💀

Our brains do the same thing automatically, we assume details where there are none.

@PigPizza7

27 күн бұрын

True

@JeffreyBoles

15 күн бұрын

Good point. Perhaps this is just marking a shift in making phone cameras work more similarly to how our brains perceive the world and less like how traditional photography has captured it. There are certainly pros and cons to both approaches.

This was very informative. I have been a long term samsung fan and was worried when I saw this video. But you cleared it up for us. Thanks man, you've earned a sub.

This is the BEST explanation and review of this whole "debacle" I've seen so far! Spot on! Completely agree with you - Sammy should not have marketed the feature the way they did; that is what made people feel cheated; however, at the end of the day, it's not faking results, but using AI to make them better...

@Ironborn

Жыл бұрын

Nah, those are still fake results, lol. It's just an instagram filter for the moon.

@emanuelneiconi

Жыл бұрын

@@Ironborn Kinda like every single selfie out there? 😁 I mean, seriously, how "real" are 99.5% of the pics posted these days?

@johnsalamii

Жыл бұрын

yeah imo samsung did a horrible job explaining the whole ai-photo-enhancing thingy

@emanuelneiconi

Жыл бұрын

@@johnsalamii Completely agree.

@yuvtube1

Жыл бұрын

If Apple did this, It would have been called a revolutionary feature.

Give this man award.. this is exactly what tech channel are supposed to do

@natman_bad

Жыл бұрын

Say bullshit to make a company look bad? Yes. You can litterally turn of the scene optimiser and have raw photos without any ai interfering, the description of scene optimiser is litterally to tweak photos to make them look more appealing.

@Scyth3934

Жыл бұрын

@@natman_bad Does it have a disclaimer that it affects moon photos to such an extent though? I mean if it doesn't, people definitely have the right to be surprised.

@natman_bad

Жыл бұрын

@@Scyth3934 If it has a disclaimer that states it improves pictures with ai that would be enough of a disclaimer. Samsung can't just smell that people like you are gonna cry about a feature you can just turn of.

@varunkandhari4819

Жыл бұрын

Bro MKBHD made the same video a day ago 😂

@cavinjoseph

Жыл бұрын

@@varunkandhari4819 haven't watched yet

1:08 That moon swapping scene had me dying🤣🤣🤣

That’s what digital zoom has always been. When you zoom into a picture an algorithm invents additional pixels based on the surrounding pixels. With AI based zooming we’re just doing it using a different algorithm.

To be real honest, this is how I thought things went anyways. What did people think happened when they said ”AI-enhanced processing”?

@basketcase1235

Жыл бұрын

bases on the replies by the fanboys, they still thinking it can take actual moon photos. like "actual" meaning, how it looks like exactly, not with extra details added.

@Luccplay

Жыл бұрын

yeah you right. They dont think that far, that you cant even shoot a plane really high up but the moon with no problem🤡

@LaKoeps

Жыл бұрын

​@@Luccplay well to be fair, an airplane is in a lit sky with lots of distortion and light pollution while the moon is it's own "lightsource" against a mostly black background. So it's not that big a stretch as you think. And I've shot 80x zoom photos with my s22 ultra where I could read the registration number off the plane as well.

@adetosoyefaith

Жыл бұрын

@@basketcase1235 do u have any phone from Note 20 ultra that van take the moonshot?

@ren-kj6ho

Жыл бұрын

Its not AI-enhancing its AI-replacing

The amount of technology required to do this is mind blowing

@ghfsd786fa

Жыл бұрын

Not really, is a relatively easy technology, labeling the data for training might be a PITA

@dommmmmmmelton

Жыл бұрын

​@Don't Read My Profile Picture ok

@KnightExcalibur

Жыл бұрын

@Don't Read My Profile Picture k

@Shyamv._

Жыл бұрын

@Don't Read My Profile Picture sure np

@MrBon3sz

Жыл бұрын

@@ghfsd786fa "AckCHyually" no one asked you 😂

ohhhhh that is so shady...I have a few toes in the "they are tricking us" camp. Not rabidly but slightly in that direction. Your intrepid dedication to testing the hypothesis in such detail is truly chefs kiss!

That's what we should call doing our own research. Kudos to you, great insights.

Just got my S23 Ultra recently. I love the camera setup and how instant photos taken in a rush turn out looking far better than I expected. I don't mind the subtle tweaks at all and if it makes an image look better and closer to my reality, well then why not? I'd rather look back on good photos than bad, blurred ones. Great video Arun, always enjoy all your content :)

@sriprakash7245

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ak-li5su

Жыл бұрын

Bro whatever keeps your peace

@GOOD_FARMER

Жыл бұрын

The real question is not that it's faking or not but does it matters to real users and answer seems - not .

@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it

Жыл бұрын

gj you broke through fanboyism and propaganda of buying only iphones. good riddance.

@sebastianmachado-gg9dv

Жыл бұрын

And i bet that the minute iphone does the same thing iphonefanboys are going to be like "never seen before" "unique"

I do think the amount of processing that is happening, needs to be more clearly advertised. I noticed it in holiday snaps actually, taken by a friend’s phone…where I looked consistently pretty good, to the point where I was starting to get suspicious. I then made a conscious effort to take similar pics with my own camera - both back and portrait mode and started seeing some real differences between all three. There was clearly a wide variety of filtering happening between shots. I don’t mind, but I do wish to be told and have the option to turn it off. If I want to Instagram filter my face, then that’s what I’ll do…

@i.am.razvan

Жыл бұрын

And you can. In settings turn it OFF.

@lucky_lol

Жыл бұрын

Scene optimiser on/off !!!!

@twodollarking8009

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Once I literally zoomed in. And I barely took a second to take a pic of the moon. I saw the image came out blown out and blurry because I moved the phone as it took the image. But it was still processing. Then it spit out a cripsy clear moon image out of nowhere. The file size was only 400kbs 💀

@yasboss2790

Жыл бұрын

Scene optimizer. You can turn it off in camera settings!

@induadhikari1633

Жыл бұрын

Turn off your scene optimiser entering into camera settings!!!

Great video bro, sometimes you release some banger video like this. Never thought about it that way

New favourite channel ❤😂 Thank you!

You are incredible Arun! You did your investigation exceptionally well. It's a delight having you in the tech community. Bravo!! 👏

@n3xus49

Жыл бұрын

Mkbhd did it first

@LestifyYT

Жыл бұрын

He is

@basketcase1235

Жыл бұрын

@@n3xus49 he didn't do any tests though, especially the "hanging moon cutout" which was pretty surprising.

@TheRealMikeMichaels

Жыл бұрын

Bot.

@n3xus49

Жыл бұрын

@@basketcase1235 that was a great idea.

Props to the AI developers, they've done a brilliant job here!! EDIT:- Stop the war! sorry if my statement doesn't match with some of your opinions.....

@iTheGeo

Жыл бұрын

Props to them if they manage to fake and 'enhance' all other objects in the world than just the moon...

@Ryknex

Жыл бұрын

exactly my thought, no wonder the thing is kinda shady but damn the AI is clever AF, respect

@99Teutons

Жыл бұрын

@@iTheGeo most phones already do that. If it were not for these algorithms our phones would literally be 10 years backward in terms of camera. There's only so much a small sensor can do in terms of capturing the environment

@LestifyYT

Жыл бұрын

Ye

@julianrock5665

Жыл бұрын

Huawei did this 3/4 years ago

This is why i like your reviews coz you go into details

Loved the moon puns. And great video btw.

I can't decide how I feel about this. I mean from a photography perspective there is something really special about truly capturing your own detail of the moon. But then again I also sometimes end up stacking tons of images and altering what I originally saw by bringing out colours in the moon. Either way, awesome video and technology is insane! Haha

@ghfsd786fa

Жыл бұрын

Same boat, but I think it's a marketing feature... You could take that AI model into any other phone and the result would be the same... so is not the S23U Camera hardware that is good they just the found a good marketing strategy doing it with the moon (which sound awesome to the public and is easy to implement)

@insolus2307

Жыл бұрын

a photographer can literally use expert raw or just simply turn off the image process and get their result if they don't want ai to alter stuff, I think the whole discussion is stupid, how could anyone think a photo with 10x optical lens capture 100x digital zoom pics with all realistic details in the pic, if you want a realistic result it is going to be a blurry mess. There are other phones with 10x optical zoom but only samsung can do the 100x digital zoom properly because of their proper AI model for upscaling these images.

@mrsnezbit2219

Жыл бұрын

Is to capture 60 years old Moms that are obsessed with taking Moon photos hahah

@ashishvishwas9952

Жыл бұрын

@@ghfsd786fa nope the hardware is really good too . This only works like this on moon photos but when we even compare random things zoomed the s23 ultra is just better then the competition that's it .

@mumbaikachallenge5526

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha relatable thoughts!

Ever since cameras have to make an interpretation of the colors and light from film days, there has always been a matter of subjetivity in the maker of the film, sensors and now AI. It's kind of hard to know where the limit is tho. The good thing is that some manufacturers are giving the option to turn off, and you can always use RAW if you want none of it.

@barneylaurance1865

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. And even de-mosaicing is inventing some detail that isn't there: camera sensors don't record full colour in every pixel, half the pixels record in green, a quarter of them record in red and a quarter of them record in blue. An algorithm has to be used to guess the best full colour value to output for each pixel based on that.

@parishsirius

Жыл бұрын

@Barney Laurance but it is there. It's not making stuff out of nothing. If i took the moon photo and it just added a crater that doesn't even exist on the moon, then I'd be pissed. You know what's faking? It's when i go to sight seeing looking at the pictures taken by the professional photographer on some tourism magazine only to find out how underwhelming it is. That's faking. If the phone's AI wanst enhancing, adding in details then let's be real we would be adding it ourselves in post.

@unknown2k229

Жыл бұрын

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Extremely subtle and fair analysis 👏.

Nuh uh I refuse to believe this video was uploaded 1 year ago

My only question is who honestly for real really thought that they were taking a blurry picture of the Moon and without any kind of AI or possessing we're getting these super crisp pictures of the moon. I've had the s22 s23 and fold 4 and I could speak for myself and say I was able to tell right away that there was some kind of processing going on with the moon but you still need a camera capable of zooming in close enough and having a clear enough picture to be able to process to be that crisp. that's the feature

@bruhment82

Жыл бұрын

Good point

@Bikingutahcounty

Жыл бұрын

That’s incorrect. The debunking of this whole deceptive claim from Samsung shows it doesn’t need to be able to zoom in “close enough.” It’s substituted material. Don’t gaslight yourself.

@samirm9097

Жыл бұрын

Literally no, the video literally show how he printed a blurry no detail fake moon and your glorious features faked all the details. Its not a features its a scam brah

@xinpingdeng4467

Жыл бұрын

If it’s “processing” then you made a good point. But this behavior is no different, it basically took a perfect moon image and use AI to auto fit into the blurry image you take. That’s fundamentally different.

@aahilwani14

Жыл бұрын

​@@Bikingutahcounty you clearly didn't research on this topic enough

8:33 Arun making 7.2 earthquake👀.

@FuckingKamikaze

Жыл бұрын

7.2 what? Bananas?

@Falafel_cat

Жыл бұрын

In the richter scale

@Falafel_cat

Жыл бұрын

And ik you are trying to be sarcastic to him for some reason

@FuckingKamikaze

Жыл бұрын

@@Falafel_cat No, I just wanted to know the unit for the earthquake

@Falafel_cat

Жыл бұрын

@@FuckingKamikaze oh okay nvm

Stellar job on the breakdown Arun!

Great video bud explained it amazingly!

Glad that Arun is investigating it in such detail. It can be great. Imagine added texture in leaves, flowers, clothes, paper, rocks, fur in your photos.

@user-ni7ct5vr8u

Жыл бұрын

I think this is the thing. IF it could add details to everything, it wouldn't be a problem. You can compare the quality of the moon photos with all the other photos. But in this case, it only works with the moon and Samsung isn't communicating that it's limited to this. Regular people will most likely believe that they can get an equally good photo with the 100x zoom with any type of subject, which they can't.

@pixels_per_inch

Жыл бұрын

That's already happening. All photos captured by a Samsung phone will have enchanced texture and text unless you activate Pro mode.

The reddit post experiment was already done by a Korean youtuber way back when the S20 Ultra came out. Samsung has always done this (and were pretty transparent about it) and in response to the controversy they explained that the 'fake moon' was just a byproduct of their computational photography engine since it does the same processing procedure like all the other photos. Dope video about the topic, though.

@yashdhanwate3153

Жыл бұрын

these isheep cant agree anymore

@usnish9801

Жыл бұрын

@@yashdhanwate3153 bro typed "isheep" 🤓

@trappyplayz

Жыл бұрын

​@@usnish9801 iSheep*

@yashdhanwate3153

Жыл бұрын

​@@usnish9801 lol then how do you get the message about what i was talking about! nerd

@manavmishra9978

Жыл бұрын

@@usnish9801 wtf did he mean tho😂

i love the fact that when he did the webcam shot he switched to to the webcam audio, it made my day as a sound engineer.

Thank you for pointing out that Samsung actually has trained AI to actually use the base photo to upscale it rather than just downloading some stock image. Most people would probably prefer an over-processed photo rather than the real thing because it looks way better.

@freshstartneff6716

8 ай бұрын

These phones have the option to use raw photos. Anything over 20x zoom is digital zoom. Which mean it take a photo and than zoom in on that photo. With that said, a 50 megapixel lens has so much detail, that if you zoom in on it 40x it would still have a crisp image. Another thing, the s23 ultra also has a 200 mp lens. About the moon, read my previous comment.

@hanjesse31

8 ай бұрын

Classic grooming

@jakeniemi7565

7 ай бұрын

I would prefer the AI-processed photos a majority of the time, I'm sure. However, Samsung needs to be super transparent to the user each time the AI is applied, perhaps naming the photo with a tag that makes it clear AI was used (not only clear to the person who took the photo, but to anyone they share it with). And a prompt should come up when the AI is about to be applied explaining how it works (what the result is, a partially AI-generated photo... versus what it isn't, a real photo with a basic filter). Imagine the person thinking a photo is real and it ends up in, say, a murder trial or used to portray an act of war... Or someone thinks their missing loved one has been found bc the AI superimposes their face on a zoomed-in stranger. The list goes on. The consequences could be dire. Full transparency by Samsung and full awareness for the end user are what's important here.

@keithlevkoff8579

24 күн бұрын

I agree... but I also think it's sad. If you WANT a nice photo of the moon then just download one. WHat is the benefit of pretending it came from your phone?

@Leanzazzy

23 күн бұрын

@@keithlevkoff8579 It DID come from your phone. Samsung is actually using what you took, just upscaling it. Not much different from how your photos are "improved" after you take them.

You and MKBHD did a great job at explaining what is happening with Samsung's camera. It is now up to people to actually understand this..

@0xUchiha

Жыл бұрын

But they won't... iPhone fanboys already saying "It's a fake moon, so the iPhone's camera is better"🤡

@amersheene692

Жыл бұрын

@@0xUchiha I agree tho😂 They be thinking their phone is better when in fact, it does the same thing but in a different way.

@torezgermy2

Жыл бұрын

Iphones literally has deep fussion which is using ai and multiple shots to enhance detail but no one bats an eye.

@amersheene692

Жыл бұрын

@@torezgermy2 This is what I've been saying since forever!! Apple gets away with it by saying their camera "processing" and turning their photos into a "natural" look.

@torezgermy2

Жыл бұрын

@@amersheene692 You know Apple gets a pass. It would be a nontrovercy if this whole moon situation was done by Apple.

The "if" condition to check if it's a moon in their code is working out great XD

As an engineer with computer vision experience and AI art, I instinctively knew this was happening. The proof, though, is genius!

And this is why I will forever respect and support your content Arun. 100% honest and everything is backed by facts. I learn a lot from you. I don't think Samsung is "cheating" us, what they're doing is actually good for the future of software and AI.

@eddiek8179

Жыл бұрын

Yup. They're not cheating. All the information is on their website about how this works, actually albeit mostly in Korean.

@Gerton999

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@soul-the_argonaut5211

Жыл бұрын

The cheating part here is Arun... Because Samsung has admitted this before- years ago with the s20 range. Samsung users have been talking about it for years now... I first saw this in 2021, an article about the s21 base model doing this (I had an s20 so I went googling...) theres even a post on Samsungs online forum explaining exactly how the *software* works... This is something we already knew, it's not new, it's just surprising to those who were unaware...

@danielarnold9042

Жыл бұрын

For people who are into astrophotography, you'd want it to be exactly like what you took, not an AI-enhanced picture . At least for me

@eddiek8179

Жыл бұрын

@@soul-the_argonaut5211 While I don't agree attributing the cheating to Arun - you are right that this has been known for years. MKBHD actually this as well in his recent post about the S23 Ultra - that the tech has been around for years and that Samsung has been very transparent and forthcoming about it as well as how it works.

It's no different than the filters used in social media. What's iffy about it is when it's used as marketing to trick the buyer into thinking it's a better camera. I personally think it's a good thing to be able to have and use when needed. The phone manufacturers just need to be honest about the feature's actual capabilities.

@OzZy-13820

9 ай бұрын

The cameras ARE good though. I've zoomed to random things and it took GREAT photos

@LukeA_55

8 ай бұрын

​@@OzZy-13820exactly, I'll agree that it's cheap to advertise something that they taught it to cheat at... but it's such a cool feature to have that I don't want to buy a phone with less than 100x zoom now. It's like having a set of binoculars and a decent telephoto camera with you all the time. And I've gotten some really good photos with the main lenses that could rival a legit camera

@OzZy-13820

8 ай бұрын

@lukeaugustus2235 same, not only moon shots, but I've zoomed and caught details of trees, power lines running up the mountain behind my house that captured details you can't see with the naked eye. Gimmicky or not, it works and that's what matters.

@milinddixit6583

7 ай бұрын

​@@OzZy-13820Then they should show that in their marketing - zoom into a dolphin leaping out the ocean far in the distance. Instead they said it can take photos of the moon with detail, and their cameras simply cannot.

@Physics072

7 ай бұрын

The truth and honestly have gone out of style with the new generation. Lying, cheating are the norm. They then try to use word salad to defend the practice. I find it disgusting.

Me adding in bullshit data in my engineering classes after I can't meet the requirements before the deadline hits:

Love your videos keep up the good work

I don't know how people didn't realise this sooner. It's a no-brainer that a sensor that small can't get all the detail for a perfect shot.

@trenrede

Жыл бұрын

I knew it months ago after using my telescope and phone compared to telescope

@therealpatriot_9685

Жыл бұрын

@Trenrede Yeah, besides, I find it amazing that the stuff they developed could do so well in every scenario, even creating new craters on the surface of the moon. Imagine how long they worked on the algorithms for this kind of stuff.

@The92Waffles

Жыл бұрын

I knew right away when I took my first moon shot with it. When you zoom in it suspiciously gets waay more clear than any other photo I take with the zoom. It's cool tech nonetheless I just wish Samsung didn't lie about it

@Ben21756

Жыл бұрын

@@catboy3471 Apple already does it, nobody cares... Apple uses software and AI to enhance and process images taken by the camera sensor.

@tamzidahmed9706

Жыл бұрын

@@The92Waffles it gets the sales going on. I don’t use Samsung but I did mention it so many times to say how the zoom is so good. Guess not anymore.

Thank you Arun! The work you put in and the points you made throughout were fantastic, seen so many negative comments and articles about this topic so it was great to actually watch you not just explain it but also give the pros and cons.

@induadhikari1633

Жыл бұрын

Arun 🤣🤣🤣🤣 paid and fed by rotten apple to speak against SAMSUNG as much as he can! This is absolute shit 💩💩💩💩

@PracticallyGeek

Жыл бұрын

@indu adhikari 😅🤣 Literally hasn't said anything bad about them! Every major tech channel and websites have said worse, his views are natural in this video in my opinion. Maybe watch it again!

@induadhikari1633

Жыл бұрын

@@PracticallyGeek NO I DON'T NEED TO SEE THE VIDEO AGAIN!!!! ROTTEN APPLE PAID AND FED BOY TAKING ADVANTAGE MORE THAN NECESSARY OF WHAT NEWS ARE COMING OUT...I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND EVERY SINGLE MOBILE BRAND ENHANCE AI FOR BETTER PICTURE SO DO ROTTEN APPLE!!!! APPLE AND THEIR FED BARKING DOGS (YOU TUBER ARUN) NEED TO SEE THEIR FACE ON MIRROR PROPERLY THEN POINT FINGER TO OTHERS....I HOPE YOU ARE WISE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT.

the jokes in the middle of the video kind of related to the topic always crack me up XD

I did not know about the Moon photo when I bought my Samsung, I just saw it one night and took it. Yes it was a bit blurry not by much like you show in your video so I adjusted the sharpness.

Been using S22 Ultra for a while now. Always knew something was off as NONE of the 100x pictures had any amount of detail whatsoever apart from the moon pictures. Good analysis, Arun.

@fantasytky28

Жыл бұрын

Only uneducated people will think it's real. Anyone with decent knowledge directly know it's fake.

@dhariapruth1

Жыл бұрын

@Fantasytky They should not have highlighted/marketed the 100x zoom as giving out such quality details just based on the moon shots during the launch.

@fantasytky28

Жыл бұрын

@@dhariapruth1 they should not in the first place. But it's Samsung, people let it slip. What can you do. Samsung cheated about so many things in past. Eg: the ltpo lowest value and so on.

@pratikdeshmukh4275

Жыл бұрын

​@@dhariapruth1 just turn off the 'Scene Optimizer' and click the moon pic again.

@pixels_per_inch

Жыл бұрын

@@pratikdeshmukh4275 What's worse is that it's on by default, while Huawei's moon mode isn't.

Arun Did A Moon-umental job with this video. Props to him and his team for such hard work 💪

My Personal Hot Take: Mostly every single true professional photographer will end up doing major edits and photoshopping thier phone, less then 10% use true raw unedited photos. So this taking hassle out of it for casual and semi professional photographers is awesome, IMHP. Also I believe that a good 85% or more of true professionals , highend simi professionals, and a few casuals will already have a dedicated camera. So I don't see them really caring that much, JS.

I agree with the ending, I wouldn't mind as long as I can show a clearer memory to my friends and family. Talking from personal experience. I definitely don't like how they advertised it as if they were really taking pictures of the moon though, but with AI situations like this is always tricky with constant competitors.

@kunalupadhyay2019

7 ай бұрын

😊

5:46 "Recognizing the bits it recognizes" hmmm yes the floor here is made of floor

@PiX3LS_XD

5 ай бұрын

😂

Your comment at the end about it being more authentic was truly on point and I think solved alot of the argument imo. We can't always want the newest phone but be mad when a company tries something new to make it even better. Like you said . We just needed communication.

@TheEpicAce2

Жыл бұрын

Nobody's reading this paragraph

@pramusetyakanca1552

Жыл бұрын

@@TheEpicAce2, you sure? 'Cause at least I am.

@kingmohammad6814

Жыл бұрын

​@@pramusetyakanca1552 me too. I came here for how people reacts to this video

@TheEpicAce2

Жыл бұрын

@@kingmohammad6814 well...this is the biggest waste of my time

@kingmohammad6814

Жыл бұрын

@@TheEpicAce2 yeah maybe it is to you but not to me because as I said before I came to how people reacts

Bro your content is good Your efforts are mind-blowing But the lightning focused on you maybe deserves better

Really love the hoodie!

This is why we watch you Arun. I was waiting for your take on this. I totally agree. I want my phone to take amazing pics, not pics that look like a 2009 phone camera because it's more accurate of what the optics sees. Also, this scene optimizer only works for the moon in that way. I can take a pic of a Totoya Camry from a mile away and it's not going to come out super crisp despite the world knowing exactly what that car is. If the AI can help to make the moon pic better then I'm all for it.

@AugustoValentini

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is Samsung marketing it as a camera feature, not an AI feature that only works for the moon. If not for this mini "scandal" I would buy the phone for its camera, try to shoot some other thing from afar and be disappointed, not knowing what went wrong.

@OnePieceSS23

Жыл бұрын

It will make the toyota camry look better. AI photos are really advanced now.

@OnePieceSS23

Жыл бұрын

​@@AugustoValentini most camera phones now are pure AI, Iphone, Xiaomi, etc. Do the same.

@babyyoda2219

Жыл бұрын

Too bad it's not your pic, it's other pics overlaid on it.

@Schervin

Жыл бұрын

@@AugustoValentini samsung compared other phones to their phone based on this feature to show how good their cameras are, and now we know that it's not related to their cameras at all, it's just a ai trick, it's false advertising

Well, I don't think that's a huge problem since it only kicks in when scene optimiser is turned on. The description for scene optimiser clearly states that it tweaks the photos to make them more appealing. If you want realistic photos, you shouldn't be using scene optimiser anyway. I would consider it to be a problem if it were replacing it with a stock photo. Since that's not what's happening here and it is just using AI to make the photo look more appealing just like the description says, I don't have a problem with it. Personally, I like realistic photos so I keep scene optimiser turned off.

@sweetmickey1403

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@suqmaddiqq

Жыл бұрын

Yep. And to be honest, if you don't want this behaviour in ANY shape or form, you shouldn't use smartphone cameras at all. Almost every device will have implemented this to some extent, and some are more clear about it (imo, Samsung is) than others.

@irisheenappu4454

Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👌

@meloney

Жыл бұрын

Especially considering that pretty much every photo created from astrophotographers is edited in some way, may it be stacking, edited in lightroom or photoshop or both or other programs. That's just how appealing photos are created. All whats happening now is people realizing good photos are edited because raw photos just don't look good enough. They expect to photos automatically look beautiful, even when this isn't how it works.

@hangover4833

Жыл бұрын

No. The issue is Samsung is using this moon photo to advertise their camera capabilities, which is false advertising. If Samsung didn't false advertise and be honest about it, then it's completely fine.

Very well said arun bro. lovee it🤩🤩😘😘❤❤

As someone who loves taking detailed photos of the moon with my handheld Canon, I know the hard work it can be to capture the detail and the satisfaction afterwards when a good shot is taken. Having AI doing the hard work and just filling in an overlay of course does look great, but the camera didn't capture it and at the end of the day I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's almost like using AI Photoshop, and it's not real at the moment.

@Katzelle3

10 күн бұрын

you can still take unaltered photos with the super telephoto in expert raw mode and the moon is still recognizable at max shutter speed

I own an S22 Ultra, and while this Moon AI photos thing can be a letdown, I can confidently say that the Telephoto + whatever software enhancement they do is incredible in many other scenarios with good lighting, for both photos and videos.

@IFISUBTOYOUCHECKMYVIDEO

Жыл бұрын

Same

@fixups6536

Жыл бұрын

Which is exactly the reason why Samsung should not slap a crisp image of the moon over our moon pictures. It's called deception, and it's really unnecessary because they already have a great technology.

@varnxxx

Жыл бұрын

@@fixups6536 Did you watch the video? They do not overlay anything. Turn screen optimisation off.

@fixups6536

Жыл бұрын

@@varnxxx Of course they overlay a reference image of the moon. The fact that it is done by a neural network and that you can't find any image of the moon as JPG in the ROM is irrelevant. The result is the same. You are going to find in the resulting image features typical of craters and mountain shadows that do not exist in your shot, and that could not even be produced by any enhancing filter, except one that understands that it's the moon, and has specifically be trained to ADD these details. Arun did not try hard enough, but I'm pretty sure you can have these features appear on a ping pong ball if the conditions are right. Craters on a ping pong ball?

@Cyno666

Жыл бұрын

​@@fixups6536 my friend has an s22 ultra, he took a zoomed in pic of Saturn and while no details appeared, we could see a faint hint of rings around the equator. I checked Saturn's axis at that time and the rings were exactly where we saw them. So if the phone can capture that big of details that far away....I don't think it should have any problem getting good focus on the moon

AI is doing a fantastic job , but not only for the moon. If you go to a concert with your s23 ultra and you sit way at the back, you will have so much better quality on your fancams. Equally, if you zoom into a really far away sign that has writing on it, you will notice that after the image is processed, not only is it sharper, but it also turns the text readable and correct. What they've done with the camera on this phone is amazing.

@boonjabby

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. I was able to test how good the processing was, I was able to read the use by date on a water bottle at 20m. I could barely read the smaller writing on the label haha

Idk why its so funny to me that his laptop is shaking😂😂😂3:02

I love how,when you explain your experiment you can see it replace the moon

I’m so proud of Arun, he was my top favorite channel two years ago, but now that I know he’s going to be 100% honest 90% of the time, I can trust and use the info he gives to say true information to tell my friends facts. True facts.

@OCD.Reader

Жыл бұрын

100% honest 90% of the time? Bruh😂

@dicedmeat7857

Жыл бұрын

@@OCD.ReaderYea dude hes 190% sure

@PigLingBland

Жыл бұрын

@@dicedmeat7857 exactly

@OCD.Reader

Жыл бұрын

@@dicedmeat7857 😭

@smoody2

Жыл бұрын

"It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good. They've done studies, you know. Sixty percent of the time, it works every time."

Arun.. You've just gotten much more respect for taking out time to not only do this but to sincerely come out with an unbiased opinion

When this topic came up a few months ago I decided to make a test. So, I took my mom's S 23 Ultra and my phone at the time, the S 20 FE and made a Picture of the moon on 30x on the S20FE and around 35x on the S23 Ultra. The S 20 FE's Picture was more blurry, but you could see some details, which you could also see on the S23 Ultra's picture, but more detailed.

Thank you for this video 🙌🏻

After looking into it, it turns out that Samsung was up front about how their Scene Optimizer works. We just never cared. The AI features can be turned off pretty easily. The full article had apparently been in Korean though. And has since been translated into English since this controversy began.

@Walter_SL

Жыл бұрын

❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉

@aadixum

Жыл бұрын

Just turn the optimizer off. Simple. I keep it on tho, i like good photographs.

@bakirev

Жыл бұрын

So they weren't upfront then. It obvious with the space zoom stuff.

@keigansabo9330

Жыл бұрын

@@bakirev ?? did you even read the comment genius

@bakirev

Жыл бұрын

@@keigansabo9330 yes, genius. If they are selling the phone world wide and they only have a korean page that's not being upfront.

These videos just keep getting better and better! I've been watching you're channel for years: it's amazing to see how far you've come since then!

It's not just Samsung iPhone 13 pro does it too, but in much more detail

"wanted to be 100% sure I'd tested it myself before I talked about it!" And that I respect.

I mean they advertise this whole moon shot thing as a separate feature so it's expected they'd apply specific software processing for this particular type of picture

@ckhomphzxspaul8455

Жыл бұрын

They are known for making fake features and it's not surprising at all 😂😂😂 they are expert for making advertisement and make fun of apple buy they themselves not focusing on improving their feature. What a shame, no wonder samsung flagship phones not selling well😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@flaminggodofthunder9212

Жыл бұрын

@@ckhomphzxspaul8455 and the fanboy is here! Every single smartphone company does false advertising or mislead the customers, apple does that a lot so does samsung and oneplus and huawei and everyone else, every tech reviewer out there is praising samsung for their innovations and improvement in recent devices (specially s23 ultra) and you're saying samsung doesn’t focus on upgrades? I must say apple has blinded you And samsung flagships are selling just fine, their folds and flips sales have been increasing at a massive rate year by year, their s series sales have taken a bit of hit but that's because people are more interested in their special innovative foldables not because the quality of their s series has downgraded rather it has increased by a lot

@ckhomphzxspaul8455

Жыл бұрын

They're known for exploding batteries, and recently they're batteries swollen. But then this? Haha Samsung's bad reputation keep repeating 😂😂😂 Karma is real😂😆😂😆

@flaminggodofthunder9212

Жыл бұрын

@@ckhomphzxspaul8455 You're talking about really old devices you know that right? They only had one model with exploding issue and somehow you're making it sound like every device they make explodes I should've realized I was talking to a kid by looking at the number of unnecessary emojis you use. Well I guess it’s on me I can only say....grow up! Android has surpassed iphone. Samsung makes better flagships than apple. They take better photos, have a more well rounded and all-rounder camera set, look better, have tons more features and customizations with massive user freedom and no restriction like ios, provide almost the same battery backup as iphones with much faster charging. Even in things like videography, raw performance and longevity, they have come quite close to apple's level

@reahs4815

Жыл бұрын

@@flaminggodofthunder9212 the majority of the masses arent that smart and is lazy (at least when it comes to tech) so they will just become locked into the opinions of media and influencers just like this paul and since their brain is turned off you will have a 0% chance of changing their opinion since they arent even listening to you. This is one big reason why Iphone is so popular because why else would you want a expensive phone where you can only text, call and use the internet, and lets not talk about repairs and how each company thinks of you as a customer

I love how you broke It down at the same time so honest about it. No one's really complained about how A.I makes their photo looks crisper and saturated, but it does that to the moon and its a major issue. Although samsung tried making it look like a camera feature instead of A.I

@chewthegum

Жыл бұрын

AI doesnt do anything to your other photos. the scene optimizer only uses AI to detect the object you're taking a picture of, it doesnt use AI to edit. besides, adding artificial made up detail is different from adjusting contrast.

@drixxer

Жыл бұрын

@@chewthegum AI does everything to most flagship normal photos bro

@sallytheuselessbird

Жыл бұрын

​@@drixxer not in this way though

@laaa9290

Жыл бұрын

Lol even the portrait image on smartphone use the A.I to differentiate the person and background.. did anyone said the portrait shot on other phone are fake? I guess not.

@adityajain1378

Жыл бұрын

Its because it changes people's decision to buy phones as people will think if the zoom is this good then the normal cam must be amazing. While in realty thats not really the case, the iphone zoom would be better for all other things. Lets say a person wants a phone with a good zoom camera, he will buy samsung after seeing reviews and samsung's marketing about the amazing zoom capabilities (the moon shot comparison), so he just got swindled into buying the phone with the worse camera. Clearly untruthful marketing and false advertising. This is why this is wrong.

A++ on the countless moon puns… well done. It was a Moonumental achievement.

This was earlier implemented on Vivo as well... Supermoon mode on X series phones is also doing this

This is why I like Arun. Where other creators simply just 'read out' online articles/blog posts/reddit threads (not a dig at other creators), this guy actually puts in a lot of effort.

It's a good day when Arun uploads.

@vanshgaming10214

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@vurm7178

Жыл бұрын

for real

@LestifyYT

Жыл бұрын

Ye

@kfas8720

Жыл бұрын

It’s a good day when bots like you disappear

@Lath_xz

Жыл бұрын

Fr

I wish the feature could be used at lower zoom, it would make night shoots amazing

This is easily one of the better analysis of the Samsung "moon shot", so I appreciate you for that. For me the issue is marketing. Samsung promotes the camera as being able to take a clear moon shot. It doesn't. A (very intelligent, but not with cameras) coworker of mine recently showed me his new Samsung phone and the great moon picture he took with it. As bright as he is, he fell for a marketing ploy. That's why I disagree with what Samsung is doing. For purely marketing purposes, they're misrepresenting a feature. Dishonesty is something I do not respect.

@Avaitor_YT

8 ай бұрын

They aren't lying, they CAN make one hell of a moon shot. using processing.

@BillyBobDingledorf

8 ай бұрын

@@Avaitor_YTI understand what you're saying ,but those are two different things.

@Avaitor_YT

8 ай бұрын

@@BillyBobDingledorf You need the camera for it, do you not!?

@BillyBobDingledorf

8 ай бұрын

@@Avaitor_YT The camera alone can't do it. Even the phone alone can't do it. It needs to recognize it as a moon shot, then pull in data from other pictures that were not taken on the phone and merge them. It's a deep fake. If you want to believe deep fakes are the real thing, well...

Glad to see someone actually being sensible about this. It's literally a non-issue, I don't know why some people are trying to make a thing out of it.

@h3w45

Жыл бұрын

By some people, you mean apple fan boys?!

@rohit.k26

Жыл бұрын

@@h3w45 might be :P

@Nuqie.

Жыл бұрын

Hi

@justlivinglife6315

Жыл бұрын

@@h3w45 lol they just want to put apple on a pedestal and shit on everyone else

@MG-im8ku

Жыл бұрын

Right? Who cares if some people were misled into believing their moonshots are better than they actually are. What does it change about using the phone, or more specifically, what does it change about my life? Absolutely nothing lol In all honestly, paying $1200 for my S22 Ultra, I'm hoping it does some special things like that. lol If people want a professional looking picture with no AI adding filters or whatever, buy a professional camera and all the lenses required to shoot whatever it is you want. I guarantee 90% of people won't go that route once they see how much it will cost for all that gear lol

He explains it better than any tech articles and KZreadrs out there. Great job 👍🏾

Thats a very good analysis 😮

That is a great feature. Loved it

It is really fascinating, how AI has evolved through out the years.

@fanban2926

Жыл бұрын

This is just adding details bruh. It's not impressive.

@yashrajsrgm

Жыл бұрын

​@@fanban2926 look aPpLe FaNbOy now is even trying to say that AI is bad, I agree that Samsung went really far doing this. But cmon dude isn't it fascinating and shocking how far AI has came?

@doomguy51

Жыл бұрын

​@@fanban2926 how s23 ai add details on super blurry photos? Isn't it impressive? Apple fanboi😂

@RonaldoHater777

Жыл бұрын

My content is way better than Mrwhostheboss 🗿

@yoboyis-1iq

Жыл бұрын

how is this relevant?

Thank you for actually doing research and providing a truthful explanation, it was annoying to see the random biased takes on Twitter who had no idea what they were talking about

I dont take the moonshot but it was pretty useful to me when it comes to the zoom capabilities,i love to zoom some far object (not the moon) and it give me clear image.

If that is the case then honestly it is even more impressive that their A.I is this advanced... the fact that you've tried to trick it but fail is what puts it up there.

@lunaticleone8534

Жыл бұрын

Facts the fact people had to dig down and find out it wasn't all camera proves that it's just that amazing, and no one else is doing it because they dumb and can't even make a camera that optically zooms as good let alone make the air to do the imagine without replacing or altering it

I've never been this loyal to a tech reviewer before, nicely done sir! I've watched a lot of informative tech reviews and arun is built different 💯

@funkymonk5145

Жыл бұрын

And the lesson is use a proper bloody camera made for photography,such as a Nikon.

@meatdepartment8901

Жыл бұрын

Flossy carter is also very good

@ABCDEFG-cj7mr

Жыл бұрын

By any chance, did you attend UISGZ for primary school? You look very similar to one of my old classmates.

Bravo to Arun, and even MKBHD for explaining it in a reasonable manner.

It is possible to photograph the moon without the AI however a bit tricky and takes a bit of fiddling. Although the biggest hurdle is maintaining the focus without a tripod and choosing the correct settings.

I suspected this before I bought my S23 Ultra. But I am not really disturbed by it. Foremost because I do not take many pictures of moon and stars, but also if that gets me the perfect shot, feeling I did that, why not?

I live in New Zealand. The moon photo's you're using look upside-down to me. It would be interesting to know if the camera recognises a Southern Hemisphere moon and replaces it in the same way.

No matter how good explanation is given by wonderful youtubers like you, the haters and jealous box won't change.

@sls12III

Жыл бұрын

fr

@tunar_karimov

Жыл бұрын

i love how most people in the comment section still missed the point that Samsung enhances the photo, it doesn't replace or fake it. People are sometimes just that dumb

@GoodBoy-nx3oy

Жыл бұрын

@@tunar_karimovwell if i want a clearer fake moon photo by my camera i could just download images from google, there is no difference.

@juniors3275

Жыл бұрын

@@tunar_karimov how is it enhancing the photo when Ibreaksphotos put one and a half moons in front of the camera and the Samsung removed the half moon. Convenient how it wasn’t discussed in this video.

@tunar_karimov

Жыл бұрын

@@juniors3275 Any links? Cuz his original post in reddit is shown in the video, which is also a heavy enhancement on the moon’s photo

Quite detailed analysis

How about the colored moon like yellow and red moons? Does it detect the color or just snap the silver moon shot over it?

Thanks Arun for actually doing the work to understand what these photos mean! I suppose, going forward, when the marketing term is "Camera" -> it is now referring to the hardware (lens+sensor) AND the image processing backend software as well.

@keigansabo9330

Жыл бұрын

same way on iphones, google pixels etc

@mineshkp

8 ай бұрын

I have better example that proves that Samsung doesn't use fake pictures

Arun's probably the only tech creator that can make me sit through the entire video without feeling bored...👍♥️

@spoonsarehere

11 ай бұрын

Same

Did you notice Mac on his desk "maybe afraid" of him so Shiveringgggg...

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