Do you think Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb would have gotten away with it, especially back then, if their victim was a poor and not rich?

@gravypatron

Жыл бұрын

No. They did what certain criminals do today-- x) overestimate themselves x) underestimate others

@derwoodsdiy7710

Жыл бұрын

No. But I don’t think economic status would change that in this case. Unless there’s a link between personality and wealth.

@t_nels

Жыл бұрын

No.

@miffedcuttlefish6139

Жыл бұрын

I like your steampink set up, Derek.

@samkupper

Жыл бұрын

I think if the victim was poor no one of authority/power would care or do a quality investigation. Sad to say but probably true.

Emotional intelligence is more important. Being able to read people, relate to them, understand them and be able to communicate with them. Knowing when to fear them.....to avoid them, to escape......

@ac1646

Жыл бұрын

That's spot on. I love this kind of content because I have experience of Cluster B personality types who are so grandiose in their little universe with their ability to dominate and manipulate. They feel invincible. In a more insular environment they can emotionally eviscerate the emotionally intelligent among us. HOWEVER, when they are forcefully projected out of their sphere of control (normally by their own actions) they simply cannot comprehend how a new set of rational, detached, and emotionally intelligent people can pierce an arrow straight through their ego and metaphorically strip them naked.

@kerwingray9386

Жыл бұрын

The key skill for an entrepreneur.

@redcecrossans2189

2 ай бұрын

Yep but sometimes is not worked out.

I'm sure the smartest murderers have never been caught.

@nordan00

Жыл бұрын

Good point!

@CraigMcGuinn

Жыл бұрын

Or the reason a lot of those serial murderers who were never caught is because the police departments are unable to link the numerous crimes to the same unidentified person

@automnejoy5308

Жыл бұрын

The ones who don't get caught (at least for a long time) usually prey on victims that society doesn't care about. Runaways. Prostitutes at truck stops. That sort of thing.

@mldir4973

Жыл бұрын

Considering how many unsolved murders there are, I agree. . , I think the really “ smart” murders do not get caught , and therefore “get away with murder”.

@RustyWalker

Жыл бұрын

@@mldir4973 There's an inherent assumption in that assertion that the unsolved murders were mostly perpetrated by smart murderers. Reflect on Derek's closing question as to how likely it would have been that they would've gotten away with it if their victim had been poor to see one possible reason why that does not _necessarily_ follow.

I’m really digging this filming style. Excellent analysis too.

Even when you give a murderer LIFE in prison (plus 99 years, wtf!) they STILL can get out on parole!! Even for such a heinous crime of a 14 year old boy! How does that even happen? Absolutely disgusting!

@brendaelder6

Жыл бұрын

They were elitists and with the right bribe anything can happen.

@justinbatt3191

Жыл бұрын

😮

Here's what I've learned being an average person around some really smart people: they're intelligent and educated, sure, but they're not smart. Sometimes their intelligence overpowers any common sense or wisdom. And finally, no matter how smart someone is, or how much they know, they dont know everything. Just my opinion.

@tiddybagel

Жыл бұрын

Everyone is dumb in one way or another.

@kosmosblue

Жыл бұрын

Smartness isn’t about education and knowledge, it is about the ability to solve complex problems

@replyequalnerd

Жыл бұрын

Intelligence overpowers common sense because common sense was created by non-intelligent people so smarter people don't fit into this. That's why intelligence overpowers common sense. They aren't less smart, they just rejected the base set on people.

@Nosferata138

Жыл бұрын

They're smart, some just can't be humble about it and have a overinflated ego or arrogance about them.

@ChickenPermission617

Жыл бұрын

I truly believe there’s 2 different types of intelligence. There’s street smart (commonly known as common sense) and book smart (academia and such). You can be one but not both. To me though, there’s nothing wrong with that.

My IQ is 131 and I've never been an overachiever; depression and A.D.D. symptoms made school a struggle for me actually. To this day (I'm 50) if a subject doesn't interest me (I love criminal psychology, quantum physics, archaeology and astronomy BUT if it's a dull teacher I can't make myself pay attention) I do poor at it. My strong suits are more toward compassion for animals and people who have been thru trauma. My son (our nephew we adopted when he was 7) and raised has an IQ of 92 and he has his life carefully mapped out and was on the honor roll most of his life. He's 18 and starting college next year. My girls, 29 and 22 are polar opposites but both extremely intelligent both haven't gone to college yet. There are many types of intelligence and people who think they're better or smarter because of an IQ is a moron.

@heavnxbound

Жыл бұрын

That’s a really good point. My IQ is slightly above average at 117 but due to depression, social anxiety and ADHD I also struggle a lot in school. IQ isn’t everything.

@wednesday8397

Жыл бұрын

@@heavnxbound no it sure isn't! If anything it holds me back from things

@mariarooney6262

Жыл бұрын

@@heavnxboundunfortunately, our society has conditioned us to believe if you don’t go to college , you’re not as smart as others. I have felt that my whole life in that area. We are shamed. At least that’s the way it was years ago. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

@ac1646

Жыл бұрын

All of these comments are so moving and worth so much. Thank you 😢🙂😘

@wednesday8397

Жыл бұрын

@@heavnxbound yes! Exactly!!

People get so wrapped up in modern investigative techniques such a cameras and DNA, but the murder clearance rate in the USA is only 50%. Unfortunately my state Michigan is second to the bottom of murder clearance at only 35%, with Illinois being the bottom (can’t recall their rate). That means we only solve one out of 3 murders in the state of Michigan. So much for modern techniques. You would think we would be about 75% with all that technology at our fingertips.

Nice one Van Schaik. Maybe you could do one on Stephanie Lazarus (LAPD), who thought she committed perfect murder then got called in years later due to DNA. She was so busted lol

@jimc6687

Жыл бұрын

My all-time favorite police interrogation video hands down!! Col. Russell Williams of the Canadian Air Force is a close second!! Jim C.

@odalyscardona339

Жыл бұрын

The behavior panel has a video on COL Russell...EXCELLENT VIDEO

@venomousgoose5023

Жыл бұрын

Jcs did excellent videos on both Stephanie Lazarus and Colonel Russell Williams. Highly recommend watching them. They're long, but very much attention grabbing

@Mike_N_ike24

Жыл бұрын

@@venomousgoose5023 JCS is the true crime content GOAT no contest

@Goodhello369

Жыл бұрын

@@venomousgoose5023 ive seen them both. Bonkers. Ive seen the Lazarus one atleast twice.

They don't just get nabbed by your average police officer. They get caught by detectives which are clearly on the higher end of the police intelligence spectrum.

This channel is just tops for me. I could listen to you describe the color of paint and I'd still find it interesting. lol Keep up the great work, Derek!

Do a body language breakdown of George Santos, he’s one hell of specimen

@scarraway3414

Жыл бұрын

Or George Soros

@saltywinchester1600

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, Santos lies like every other politician and that he was a drag queen... well that's okay with me as long as he's doing it NOT in front of children. He can knock himself out, but keep children out of it.

@emp9413

Жыл бұрын

@@saltywinchester1600 no regular politicians do not lie that much. Very rarely do you get away with completely faking your education and experience. False equivalency

I miss the old Derek Van Schaik. "Welcome back to the channel Schaikerrrrrs!!!!"

I see a lot of people hating on the ORANGE turtleneck, but dude it looks great.!! That's styyyyyyyle bruh.!! Yoooo.!!

Thank you so much, Derek for covering this infamous case. I was so hoping you would do a video on these two. If the victim were poor, and assuming all things the same, the cops finding the glasses, etc., I don't think the public outrage would have been as strong and I do think they may have been sentenced to probation or somethings, so that to me, is getting away with it.

Been watching you for several years. This was a fun one. Keep it up brotha

more videos Derek, please...they would have probably gotten away with it if the victim was poor another "useless eater" goes missing. damn the "elite"

Interesting vid, the psychology in respect to body language of the criminal mind is a good direction for you channel.

This was a good one added to your story telling . It was great

As a Gen-Xer who survived the 70s, I still appreciate a Goldenrod turtleneck. Edit: okay... maybe burnt amber.

Derek, great job! I like your show. I like a lot the background and lights.

Great vid!!!

I love your channel!

I think the advancement forensic tech has made things more a challenge compared to serial killers from the 60’s-90’s. But there’s still some in prime location were small towns with less available resources. Were events like this aren’t normal. I think there’s a 1% of serial killers roaming free.

This just proves that there is another quotient that is a better baseline to judge a human being...Very often high intelligence quotients are correlated with low emotional and, oddly, spatial quotients.

Ad💖re the set, camera angles and "presence" of this video! U 🎸

I’m really into your new style of video !!! Please keep doing it like this !!! Your old videos are too wacky and wild like Jim Carey

Love your back drop in vid!

Thx for the tips

Your channel is so interesting

Dude what you just packed into 11 minutes, put every KZreadr I've seen lately to shame! I got more out of this and what I get out of some shows that go for an hour!

What surprised me is that their victim was from their community. It seems elementary to me that if you want to commit a random murder, it should be a stranger in an unrelated community--like a city dweller going to the country to find a vulnerable victim.

movin n schaik-in ..... luv ur vids mate ... from Australia ... 🕷

Derek, would love you to cover the Crowder/Daily wire saga! Thank you

Please do more murder videos, I love your view on them and how you explain the psychology. Your voice is amazing!! 😁😁😁😁

Detectives pass selection exams for aptitude, use standard procedures, receive specialized training, access to vast resources, practice, and empowered by the state in everything they do. And you're surprised they solve crimes?

Mr. Van Schaik, you were my first "Body Language DeCoder" on KZread. Thank you so much for your hard work.

The smartest murderers are those that leave their phones at home running on autoplay.

This would make a great series

GTSY making videos again ❤️

Wow, I really like this new recording style for ur vids...I think it will get old quick, but I fucking love this one so who knows.

It’s crazy to think the Idaho killer wouldn’t have been caught if his dad never took a 23 & Me DNA sample, or if he managed to not leave the knife sheath; Absolutely horrible luck for him/ an angel was making sure the victims got justice.

@automnejoy5308

Жыл бұрын

They didn't get the dad's DNA from 23 & Me. They actually got it from the family's garbage outside their house. They compared it to the sheath which had Bryan's DNA on it.

@caseyadams1861

Жыл бұрын

Not just that, but the video of his car was very pivotal. When they looked up his license, they saw that he fit the description that one of the surviving roommates gave them. I think this was before they ever linked the DNA to him too. Even if one is smart, they can't change the fact that there are so many cameras everywhere.

@automnejoy5308

Жыл бұрын

@@caseyadams1861 And also the cell phone pings! Even returning to the scene of the crime a few hours later at 9 am with his cell phone on! What an idiot!

I didn’t think you sounded braggy, I actually agree with you very much! There are many types of intelligence and making the most of the one you’ve been granted is the smartest decision of all!

They get caught when they think they are invincible.

i love these videos that are around 10 mins

Great job condensing their stories! Yes, they would be caught way back then irrespective of victim's wealth. The 1893 World's Fair with serial killer H.H. Holmes and his 'Murder Castle' should rank for a high IQ criminal analysis!

Master storyteller. DVS could easily catch up with legends Keith Morrison and Bill Kurtis.

Common sense is the highest form of intelligence.

There's no such thing as a perfect crime. Terrific video. ✌️

Can you extend these videos? Would love them to be around 60 mins :)

Just because someone is intelligent doesn’t mean they are smart. I know a lot of “intelligent” people that do some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen.

How do these videos not Have at least 100,000 views I do not understand

that turtle neck lol

Have you considered doing a run-down of all the murderers who were caught because of (literally) one simple mistake like these brothers? Gracias.

Lol why would they proud. They proved they were stupider than the average killer

The Superman Status parallels some I can think of today. 🧐

What were Leopold and Loeb’s IQ scores? We don’t know. In 1924 Leopold and Loeb were given the Stanford-Binet IQ test, which was meant primarily for children and graded based on the number of tests that were passed as well as the age of the subject. Because Leopold and Loeb were in their late teens, the test didn’t really work well for them. And, as one psychiatrist pointed out, Leopold finished some tests faster than anyone he had ever seen, but there were no extra points awarded for that. Because Leopold and Loeb passed and failed the same number of tests but Loeb was slightly younger, Loeb received an IQ score of 119 and Leopold of 118. This put them only in the ‘high average’ category, though as explained, this wasn’t a good estimate of their actual intelligence, and modern IQ tests have changed dramatically regardless. It’s very often cited that Leopold had an IQ of over 200, and that comes from another test and another misunderstanding. In Joliet-Stateville, all new prisoners were given the Army Alpha or Army Beta, tests used by the US Army in World War 1 to see what jobs their new recruits might be suitable for. They were just multiple choice tests with 212 questions and the number you got right was your score. During their initial Army Alpha tests, Leopold scored a 205 and Loeb a 176, putting them in the highest bracket and indicating that both were ‘men of marked intellectuality. They are of high officer type when they are also endowed with leadership and other necessary qualities.’ The Army Alpha and Army Beta tests were not intelligence tests and the scores did not correlate with the scores of other intelligence tests. The Army tests could score anywhere from 0-212, a much wider range than most intelligence tests, and the average scores were much lower; the average in the Army tests was 45-74, which on most IQ tests would indicate mental disability. Though Leopold took the Army Alpha several more time in prison, it doesn’t seem like either he or Loeb took anything close to resembling a modern, adult IQ test, so what they would score on one is unknown.

Nice video Derek, but a small suggestion if you dont mind. The music is a bit distracting and annoying (fingernails on chalkboard kind of vibe) perhaps turn it down?

Hopefully we see a body language video of Bryan kohberger

IQ is not a measure of wisdom. That's where people often fail to realize.

Zodiac would be the goat since he never got caught he should have got at least twenty-five plus to be impressive but Gary Ridgway is a legend

@bywodensbeard9841

Жыл бұрын

The Zodiac had a lot of luck on his side, luck he wouldn't've had had he committed his crimes slightly later. I've always found the case fascinating, as well as Jack the Ripper.

@automnejoy5308

Жыл бұрын

Gary Ridgway, interestingly, only had an IQ of 82.

Im convinced that I’m more emotionally intelligent than I am Logically or (Iq), I’ve always been the “mature kid” for as long as I can remember. I was raised “right” by my parents and had values instilled in me which have allowed me to be successful, but combine that with my natural ability to poke through my stressors and realize why I feel a certain way and how to go about, I am certain that I’m probably moderately gifted. When it comes to my logical side tho 😂, I’m alright.. from online tests, which I know aren’t reliable, I’ve scored from 115-124, mostly being in the 120’s Ain’t too smart but I’m “bright” and enjoy creating logical journeys in my mind to complete puzzles, change my perspective, or combine information to create more efficient ways of looking at things. I’m extremely erroneous and oblivious, which decreases my fluid intelligence by a lot, I work on it all the time, and I’ve improved in some areas, but just due to the draw of genetics, I’m near my limit. Just leaving my thoughts here, I know nobody truly cares but I’m interested if the person who reads this is similar to me or am I just weird?!😂

@Nosferata138

Жыл бұрын

If you're weird, then I am too. I can relate to much of what you said. 🤔😉

why don’t you post long videos anymore? :( i miss vids like this

can you do Stephanie Lazarus?

Damn that is so close to my house this is insane

I always thought they derived the prevalent "superman theory" due to Nietzsche's philosophy?

I know it's campy, but I used to really look up to Adam West's Batman. He epitomized what I wanted to be like, as Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne was an active member of society. He advanced science and industry without the costume. He showed what it's like when SMART people are good LEADERS. Having a high IQ doesn't mean you're a good person, or a leader. What matters most is WHAT you do with what you've got.

Nice. I hear so many true crimers act like it’s unbelievable that any crime was solved before DNA. Only the majority - and some quite quickly, too.

James Woods' IQ is 180. That's a lot.

What's creepy is they had the boy wearing the glasses of his murderer during his wake...

If seems as if some of the “smartest” people I know, don’t have one bit of common sense. I used to pat my son on the top of his head, as a teenager, and tell him to use this thing here… think😊.

These camera view changes are pretty annoying.

I don't think it matters how smart one individual criminal is. If a group of average, to above average cops are working together. They are going to catch him. Because more heads are better than one. And their collective IQ would be astronomical.

@aussiemofo8699

Жыл бұрын

100% not to mention you’d have a good mix of creative and logical thinkers. Both excellent tools to make sense out of something senseless.

Alfred Hitchcock’s radically homoerotic movie Rope was inspired by this case

@TitanicHorseRacingLover

Жыл бұрын

Great film

Shake shake shake

One note, you don't need the weird background music/sound, it takes away from your personality (which is great!)

I have high IQ, but I’m too smart to commit murder.

@automnejoy5308

Жыл бұрын

Being female improves your chances of not being a murderer.

So sad for the young boy.

An orange turtle neck with a sports jacket? I may be a stupid 140 IQ cop, but I do know crappy fashion when I see it, lol..

@aussiemofo8699

Жыл бұрын

He said ‘on average’ and it sounds like you’re the exception which is what we need. Thank you for choosing the police force.

I don't get it surley the glasses dint fit the boys face. You think a cop notice it and ask the parents about it

Entitlement ruins humans

You forgot george trepal!! Murder she solved, Mensa murders...Can only recommend to watch..One of the best true crime documenteries ever!

He he. Like someone who left his knife sheath behind, and only superficially considered ANY externally located cameras on houses and cars! Didnt Bryan realize ever new car is fitted with cameras these days. I am guessing even the Range Rover of the murder victim!

Knowledge and wisdom are not the same thing

7.12 lmao... poor kid geez Dumb police really. How did they put the glasses of his murderer on him.

The onlly problem with this channel is that it is not long enough. We need longer analyses please. Sorry I know you are studying and planning an amazing future.

I have never heard of this story.

Genius would never murder. High IQ is not genius.

can you make a video analysing the body language of andrew tate and his brother? i wonder what you think because I want to know who they really are.

I KNEW they were lovers from the very start! I could tell by the photos of them.

you can tell when dvs hired crew

I kind of miss the old style of your videos. Before you moving to a different place. Somehow these seemed more authentic

“Rope” is my favorite Hitchcock movie. It’s loosely based on this crime.

@odalyscardona339

Жыл бұрын

Idk that rope was loosely based on the crime.. I can see how. Nothing compares to Hitchcock

Is it just me or does Derek van schalk have a bit of a jack Nicholas psyco vibe himself..?

They would have gotten away with it if he'd been poor. No one to put up ransom money. Today there's no way they would have gotten away with that sloppy stuff, but I imagine they also would have done things differently. Still, forensics being what they are now, I think most anyone will get caught today.

Bruh the craziest thing to me about all this is how much you look like b Koberger. That’s your doppelgänger twin

They wanted media attention. I'm thinking Bobby, being a family member ('elite', like them) also might have been a target of jealousy for awhile. (By the way, someone told me it's seldom extremely rich people die in bed). If they had killed a poor child, they still would have wanted to make a stink about it.

Seems like having a "high cue" equals to being insane!!! My answer to your question would be: (a saying, we have, here in Puerto Rico) "Money makes a monkey 🐒 dance"

4:10 "Act based on emotion, hubris, arrogance and insecurity" On one hand there's the so called "really smart people" who do amazingly stupid things and on the other hand there's the really stupid people who behave like they're...well...amazing. Thanos: perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

that turtle neck reminds me of ted bundy...glad you're not him :)