50% bonus on deposit plus free entry into $150,000 bracket contest mybookie.website/BetWithArnett Where is Kobe's legacy is the Lakers never landed Pau Gasol??

@dmc9479

Жыл бұрын

Kobe would be out side of top 10 if he didn’t win 2 more

@khaitranngoc4176

Жыл бұрын

Probably we would have continued to speculate, T-Mac style of what if the Lakers can build sth competent around him. But alas, Kobe would have probably dipped in UFA anyway, since he is dealing with such incompetency, so expect a big name team with half-competent players to contend for Kobe.

@Homer-OJ-Simpson

Жыл бұрын

Kobe would be 15-20th. all time. The 2 rings because they landed Gasol moved him to 9th to 13th IMO. Dirk went from 30th to 20-23 by winning his title. A title can really move you up on a lists, especially two titles.

@dmc9479

Жыл бұрын

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson Nawl Kobe still would’ve had 3 rings

@Homer-OJ-Simpson

Жыл бұрын

@@dmc9479 So you're saying the 2 wins without Shaq didn't improve his position? Is that really what you're going to argue?

Pau is one of the most underrated players of all time! As far as a complementary star, he was perfect, not just in skillset but in personality

@vishbegamin

Жыл бұрын

He’s properly rated right around top 5 PF during the late 2000s

@EmperorNerox

Жыл бұрын

But retiring his # as a laker not so sure that was warranted

@TheIcemanthomas

Жыл бұрын

@@vishbegamin some people don’t rate him as such. I’ve seen the pau disregard discourse for nearly a decade now

@559austin5

Жыл бұрын

@@EmperorNerox it was definitely warranted without Pau, Kobe don’t win those 2 chips

@Kermit_T_Frog

Жыл бұрын

If anything, Gasol graded out BETTER than Kobe Bryant in most metrics during their championship years.

Pau is becoming one of the most underrated big men of the modern era

@anthonysanchez5997

Жыл бұрын

Pau is one of the most underrated player in the last 25 years. Most Players and Media considered European players as soft during that era. In the '08 Finals the media destroyed him for his play against Garnett and in the '10 Finals he got his respect. Great player.

@rapgodreloaded9259

Жыл бұрын

Pau was a great complimentary role player for the Lakers.

@KDRusha

Жыл бұрын

He never gets mentioned and it’s wild

@deegee7521

Жыл бұрын

No he’s not real basketball fans knew his impact rookie season he’s been a beast I used to watch him have his way with prime jermaine O’Neal he was just with the expansion grizzlies but with the lakers that 09 season he was the best PF for the next three season in the nbe

@rockysalvatore435

Жыл бұрын

@@deegee7521 over Duncan and kg

I was playing pro in Spain during the 2012 Olympics, I'm a Brit and was watching with a couple American teammates. I told them as good as USA is, ima have to root for Spain and daaaaaamn, old man Pau brought it to them. Even the Americans had to respect him after that. Absolute legend, so underrated right the end

Gasol helped Kobe reached a level that was thought to be unreachable. You could clearly see Kobe loved playing with Gasol.

@blacknetsmed

Жыл бұрын

He didn't help Kobe reach any level, he was already there. Lakers already good when Pau got there.

@1vaultdweller

Жыл бұрын

And choked a 24 point lead in game 4 of 2008 finals lmao " unreachable"

@G-TV_TheOneManArmy

Жыл бұрын

​​@@1vaultdweller back to back championships though but yeah nobody is without faults except Michael Jordan well not in the finals that is

@1vaultdweller

Жыл бұрын

@@G-TV_TheOneManArmy back to back championships cus Garnett got injured and still Kobe almost sold game 7 in 2010 with 6-24 shooting

@1vaultdweller

Жыл бұрын

@@G-TV_TheOneManArmy back to back championships cus Garnett got injured and still Kobe almost sold game 7 in 2010 with 6-24 shooting

Kobe finals’ averages in 2010: 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists (when the pace was much slower) he earned those MVP’s.

I was at that game in Jersey; Pau's Laker debut. The renewed energy amongst us Laker fans was special to watch. Friends had pitched in to get me tickets to the game... Salute to them 💪

Pau is one of the most underrated player in the last 25 years. Most Players and Media considered European players as soft during that era. In the '08 Finals the media destroyed him for his play against Garnett and in the '10 Finals he got his respect. Great player.

@Recovery305

Жыл бұрын

Dude had a legit case to be the 2010 FInals MVP

@joshuachang5210

Жыл бұрын

@@Recovery305 And a better case than guys like Iguodala in 2015 or Maxwell in 1981. Even though prime Kobe is insanely good, resume-wise his all-time rankings is somewhat due to Pau being good just enough for the Lakers to repeat but not snatch that FMVP trophy away.

@Recovery305

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuachang5210 Yeah Kobe still put up 28 PPG so hard to argue against it.

@joshuachang5210

Жыл бұрын

@@Recovery305 Efficiency though... Kobe's TS% is lower than that of Pau's by more than 3%. Not only did Kobe shoot worse, but the fact that he has double the turnovers as that of Pau while having almost identical assist numbers didn't help either. In fact, they have a GameScore of 18.7 and 18.6 respectively. Let's look at other pairs. Steph and Iggy had 17.6 and for Iggy 13.6, and Bird and Maxwell had 15.9 and 14.8 themselves.

@Homer-OJ-Simpson

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuachang5210 The gamescore of Gasol and Kobe for the 2010 finals were almost the same 18.7 to 18.6 slight edge to Kobe. Gamescore is basically like PER but for small sample sizes -- it doesn't adjust for league average so it's a good comparison only for those in those games. here is a quick recap of those stats: Kobe: 28.6pts 8.0reb 3.9ast 2.1st 0.7blk 3.8 turnover 52.8% ts 108 ORtg 99DRtg Gasol: 18.6pts 11.6reb 3.7ast 0.7stl 2.6blk 1.8 turnover 55.6%ts 122 ORtg 101 DRtg The series went 7 games and Lakers won game 6 & 7. so looking at game 7: Kobe 23pts 15reb 2 ast 1stl 0blk 4 turnover 37.6%ts 0 +/- 0.3 BPM Gasol: 19pts 18reb 4ast 0stl 2blk 1 turnover 43.7%ts +7 +/- 10.4 BPM And game 6: Kobe 26pts 11reb 3 ast 4stl 0blk 2 turnover 58.9%ts +15 +/- 13.8 BPM Gasol: 17pts 13reb 9ast 1stl 3blk 2 turnover 51.1%ts +20 +/- 13.5 BPM It was close. Statistically, I would give it to Gasol. But the case for Kobe is that he was also the captain and the focus of attention. But certainly Gasol had a better argument for the Finals MVP than Iguodala had over Curry.

Thank you for showing Pau Gasol some love. People forget how great Pau was. Pau won a playoff series with the Memphis Grizzlies when they were the doormat of the NBA. That accomplishment is just as impressive as his 'chips with the Lakers.

@dangnabit9299

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for thanking Arnett for his work. People forget how great Pau was...including you apparently, or are you delusional or mistaken?🤔 Pau NEVER won a playoff series NOR a playoff game with the Grizzlies, for that matter. They did make the playoffs 3 times though which means, in those years at least, they WERE NOT the doormat of the NBA. That accomplishment IS NOT as impressive as his 2 championships with the Lakers. That doesn't take away from how skilled Pau was however you need to recheck your stats, facts and history. Have a good day! :)

@InceptionMusicGrp

Жыл бұрын

dude Pau didn't win a series in Memphis u are mistaken

@adekunle4672

Жыл бұрын

He didn't show Pay he told us about Kobe basically

@justamessenger4577

Жыл бұрын

Pau was swept 3 times in Memphis. He helped improve the team but they found no playoff success.

@johndebono1870

Жыл бұрын

The Grizzlies never won a playoff series with Pau as the #1 guy, I think part of it might be Pau is too calm to be the top guy, but another big part is that the next best players on those teams were Mike Miller and White Chocolate.

The post game, decent mid range jumper, rebounding and a solid passer too. And he had his moments where he was a solid defender as well. And he has some of his best individual seasons towards the END of his career in Chicago which is still wild to me. He was battling injures and age for those last few lakers years and then came out here to the bulls and just randomly got right back to 20 and 11 again. Kept my bulls afloat for another few seasons during that troubling d rose saga.

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

That was the only big name signing they got in the rose era. They had good runs and almost beating cleveland in 2015 but Blatt called a timeout which shouldn't because they didn't have any more and the refs helped. Which led to Bron game winner shot and bulls were leading 2-1 in that series

Thank you for making this bcu I've seen too many idiots say Pau didn't deserve to have his jersey retired which is ridiculous af. Kobe wouldn't have 4 and 5 without Pau and ima huge Kobe fan

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

True no lies. And the Lakers wouldn't even made The Finals for all them 5 TITLES if it weren't for Kobe let alone WINNING anything!

@williefaulker

Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is Kobe himself said that his jersey would be retired lol , stans ruin it for the rest of a fanbase sadly sometimes

@ghostflame9211

Жыл бұрын

@@williefaulker stans are dumb. anyone following the lakers at that time know just how crucial gasol was to the team. kobe was ready to be traded just the year before. at the time of the trade, the lakers were hovering the 5th seed or something low like that. after getting gasol, they go on a massive run to become the #1 team in the western conference. then they make the NBA finals 3 years in a row, winning 2 of them. none of that happens without gasol

Pau and Kevin Machal are extremely underrated. It's always just Kobe and bird, but with those two guys, they don't win, let alone how much of a perfect they are and the number of times they saved Kobe and bird when they had a bad game. I know scottie might be the goat Robin, but after that it's those two

@rockysalvatore435

Жыл бұрын

Scottie was #1 and he proved it. He was more valuable than Jordan a lot of times. We just fetishize scorers. I think McHale was a #1 in a stacked era. Ad for Pau he def could've been one on a team loaded with athletic cutters. He def would today. I think he'd be better than Lauri and Sabo and super close to 🃏 in numbers

@randomperson2540

Жыл бұрын

@@rockysalvatore435 agreed for the most part

Glad someone's showing appreciation to Pau. I think this trade was the one that blew the NBA trade during that season, and Pau Gasol Trade to Lakers Changed NBA. 3 straight finals, 2 NBA championships, was well worth the price. And thank Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak for making this big move.

We will forever love Pau in L.A...

Pau deserves HOF induction if for no other reason than being the one co-star Kobe liked and respected.

@TheIcemanthomas

Жыл бұрын

I mean his resume and numbers along with his euro league career make him a no brained for the hall. 6 allstars 5 all nba 2 titles, 20k pts, and 11k reb can’t be overlooked. Him and bosh pretty much have equivalent resumes.

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

Co star? Pau was a Star for them 2 titles and wasn't a Superstar like Kobe in no shape or form. Don't that CASUAL take now!

@rockysalvatore435

Жыл бұрын

@@Mercurial. all star not super star. He's way better than Booker tho

@onlyfacts3178

Жыл бұрын

@@Mercurial. he was LAKERS win shares leader. And without him those LAKERS with KOBE got 5 wins and 5 losses when PAU Missed 10 games.

He was so good and such an important piece to the Lakers success

I am so glad they retired Pau’s number 16 jersey in the staple center. He really deserved it. Honestly, that Lakers team is my favorite team in NBA history. No they did not 3P like the early 2000s Lakers but it was so much fun watching Kobe and Pau lead the team to two championships. As far as Kobe’s legacy, I still think he goes down as a great player in history, but it would just be a story of a huge “what if “ . I think the story would’ve been if they could’ve gotten a team around Kobe then yes he could’ve won a championship or two but it just never happened. LeBron James was in the same situation the first time he was in Cleveland. Cleveland felt like he was enough but no top 10 player wins championships without at least one other great player on the team. I mean with out Pau coming to the Lakers in 2008 no they don’t win those two other championships, even Kobe Bryant has said that. And without Kobe being a five time champion and the Lakers having that run in the late 2000s that they did, I don’t know if that team is as appealing to LeBron James and maybe she never joined the team so we wouldn’t get the championship we got during Covid either. I always thought Pau was underappreciated. As a Laker fan I remember I was actually laid off from my job that summer so the next day as a happy Lakers fan after they beat the Celtics in 2010 I watched ESPN because I wanted to hear people talk about the Lakers. I kid you not if you add up the total amount of time that they discussed the Lakers winning the championship on ESPN the next day it probably would amount to about 30 minutes, instead all everyone wanted to talk about was where LeBron James was going. And the following season he goes to the Miami Heat, and I just always felt that Kobe and Pau never really got the props. They deserved back then. Today, everyone looks back on that era of the Lakers, and talks about how great it was but at the time it felt like sports media was trying to hide how great they were.

@rockysalvatore435

Жыл бұрын

LeBron needed superstars. Kobe only needed all stars

@yuhhtempo

Жыл бұрын

@@rockysalvatore435 funny cause Kyrie Irving was never considered a Superstar until he hit that shot in Game 7 & in hindsight after GSW acquired KD. Nobody was calling Klay a Superstar, people didn’t think Russ was a superstar yet, and Wade and Bosh on the other hand DEFINITELY weren’t “superstars” after 2012 outside of their names. Y’all will say statements like this but when I bring up Shaq being the best player for 3 of those rings you’ll “make an argument” how Kobe deserved a FMVP, thing is with Lebron he has ALL FOUR FMVPs

@rockysalvatore435

Жыл бұрын

@@yuhhtempo ppl that watched him were already saying he was better than Lillard. You're capping dude. K love was 25 and 15 in min hitting game winners with a team far worse than kg ever had

@attnjakeitsme

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@williefaulker

Жыл бұрын

I think part of the problem is that Kobe's reputation was just getting back in tact ( we all know the situation being referred to ) during this time and LeBron was the younger guy who was doing it all in Cleveland, who didn't have any issues with the league during that time

Finally someone showcases Pau is a great player not just a 2nd man

@jdrmanmusiqking

Жыл бұрын

He did absolutely nothing as the main man in Memphis. People just gloss over that fact and give him too much credit for his Lakers run He was a great complimentary piece to the GOAT Mamba but lets not act like he was a superstar

@mixedpleasure4324

Жыл бұрын

@@jdrmanmusiqkinghe could easily have been fmvp in 2010

@impogi832

Жыл бұрын

@@jdrmanmusiqking where was kobe and the lakers when shaq left? Your talking like pau didn't gave much help to the lakers

@jdrmanmusiqking

Жыл бұрын

@@impogi832Afterwards, Kobe carried Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to the playoffs in the WEST. Meanwhile LeBron couldn't make the playoffs with Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, KCP, Kyle Kuzma, and freakin Brandon Ingram. Kobe was so great, he needed only two psuedo-stars in Pau and and Lamar in order to run the west. Pau was really good but Kobe made him GREAT not the other way around

@impogi832

Жыл бұрын

@@jdrmanmusiqking did lebron played the whole season?? Know your facts🤡

You have always "thumb" for intro! Music + Great late Anthony Mason & MJ clip make my day every day!. Thanks 4 your work!

As a Spaniard and a Pau fan, thank you for making a video to answer a question that I had in mind. Without the context, I felt it surprising to find his jersey retired. Now it makes so much more sense

I just love these Jonny storytelling videos.

It was unfair to label Pau as "soft" when he was with the team. He played his part just fine and did what he needed to do. The Lakers are in scurry/frantic mode now but that would have worsened if they didn't win in the mid 2ks. So thanks, Pau. (And BTW, there's a street named Pau in Waikiki. I took a pic of it when I was there. It's just happenstance; it's always been there)

IMO, Pau did deserve that Finals MVP vs Boston. Besides leading ALL players in Rebounds-(81/11.6), Blocks-(18/2.6), and being 2nd in scoring-(130/18.6), he also lead in Win Shares -- 4.3

@MistaTofMaine

Жыл бұрын

Agreed pau was best player the MVP that finals.

@davis2k1234

Жыл бұрын

Only to delusional Kobe haters like you to show me a Finals MVP that had 18 and 10 as his stat line Kobe was by far the best player in that series avg 10 more points then any player on either team Kobe was the best player in 2008 finals to his team just folded

@venom8182

Жыл бұрын

@@davis2k1234 dude I’m a huge Kobe fan but he struggled in 08 finals. Boston had a ton of guys to throw at him

@davis2k1234

Жыл бұрын

@@venom8182 yeah they played illegal defense every play Kobe touched the ball the ball but it was gone by the coach 2000s were by far the hardest era to score

@venom8182

Жыл бұрын

@@davis2k1234 yeah it’s sad because if he had gotten that second three peat he’d easily be considered top 3 but media dudes now say he isn’t even top ten

Thanks Jonny!

I was in high school when that trade happened. As a kid from Los Angeles I naturally gravitated towards The Lakers. I have a lot of found memories of watching Laker games at my local pizzeria, Mr. k’s Boston style in Glendale. Unfortunately Mr. k’s closed down last year 😢

His in jersey retirement shed a light upon a franchise in its dark times.

@EmperorNerox

Жыл бұрын

Still not so sure he deserved it over many other Lakers who haven't gotten that honor. It's only cuz Kobe when alive and his wife pushing for it probably

@eden6314

Жыл бұрын

@@EmperorNerox he was the second option on a three finals run and two wins bro def deserved it

I love your vids!

Petition to have Jonny make a video how Pau came into the league as a 7ft SF and how he would be the GOAT for this era. He'd be in between Sabo and 🃏 but a better shot blocker. ON TOP of all that!!! If he never played with Kobe and Lakers he wouldn't have bulked up and would've led to him being EVEN MORE finesse than he was as a big. Sadly I believe if this happened he would be appreciated more with modern fans that don't know. Pau aged like fine wine better than anyone else. Physically too _😏_ He was a skilled SF essentially then became more PF, in La he became more traditional big but towards the end of his run he showed flashes of greater ball handling and shooting for us, in CHI he then became a floor spacer and closed a game on a driving LeBron by blocking him(eat your fgn ❤️ out B LO, Pau the first stretch 5 shot blocker!!! Made that graceful transition 1st!!), further improved his shooting in SA and the spurs were still competent against GS despite an old Pau not being a good matchup for them!! Zaza remember! Obviously mainly bc Kawhi and Green but yeah he wasn't completely played off floor like older DUNCAN was and retired early bc he was able to become that valuable as a stretch 5 in the modern era Pau today would be awesome bc he can be the bigger LA version or the more finesse rookie version. The og KD or Joker. Lmao such a struggle right. Pau today minimum would be 25.2, 13.8, 7.8, 2.4 with a lower usage rate much like 🃏. One of the most valuable players all time that sadly played in the wrong era. Probs the best Euro talent ever bc of that. Even moreso than Dirk bc Pau showed more potential. Obviously Luka is Luka and big Sabo is the correct answer but Luka had accomplishments so he wins. Still I believe as a pure talent Pau should def be in that Convo Nobody was a more perfect fit for this era than Pau and I'll fight anyone on that!! He would be the GOAT of this era fighting 🃏

Finally a video on Pau!

Shoutout Pau man, excellent player

I luv Pau as much as the next person and think he is underrated, but saying he “saved” the Lakers is a stretch imo. Ofc the Lakers don’t win those chips without Pau but again I wouldn’t go as far to say he “saved”…. All Kobe needed was a slither of help (which he didn’t have the previous 3 years) and as soon as he got it he led the Lakers to 3 straight chips to the Finals in the tuff West winning b-2-b chips

@ezekwu

Жыл бұрын

facts...

@JCmeister9

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. I still remember this trade and felt how devastating it was for other teams chances to win a championship. Pau during this time was a superstar/franchise player for the Grizzlies, so it made sense why the Lakers went from a playoff contender to a championship contender. This trade made Kobe stay with LA, and winning b2b championships proved that it was the right decision for him. Without Pau, Kobe ultimately would've left and there would be no b2b championship after Shaq.

@johndebono1870

Жыл бұрын

Saved might be strong since they really needed each other, but it has more to do with the intangibles when it comes to Pau Gasol and the Lakers. It's been lost to history that Kobe's reputation in the mid 2000s was basically the same as Trae Young's today. A ball hog who puts up numbers but will kill any chance your team has of winning. They really needed a star player that could both take some of the pressure off him, be ok with being a 2nd option, and essentially be the "good cop" on the team. While Shaq is obviously the best co-star Kobe ever had, I think Pau is the only one that could have made those Lakers teams as cohesive as they were.

@sixsimpson2480

Жыл бұрын

100% - Gasol helped but idk bout Saved the lakers, he never met the playoffs without Kobe and even when he first came he struggled, it wasn’t until he accepted the challenges Kobe set forth that he went next level. Saved??? Ummmmm

@fabriciobraga8298

Жыл бұрын

@@johndebono1870 Ball hog?? Wrong. Your just making a statement without facts. Kobe killed that narrative when he refused to shoot and showed what he truly had around him a bunch of fakers, that's why he threatened to leave. Then they gave him decent help with Gasol, Artest ect, ect. Kobe made Gasol not the other way around, Gasol said it himself. But to Gasols credit he put in the work and redeemed himself...which proves he is a legendary player .

Quickest impact I've ever seen in a trade !! The Lakers were a decent playoff team at best in January 08 and the second Pau put on a Laker uniform that night in New Jersey they immediately became the best team in the Western Conference and cruised to the #1 seed , same story in the Playoffs they only lost 3 games on their way to the Finals , they ran into a buzz saw in the big 3 Celtics and they really missed Bynum that series , but next season they get him back and stay healthy through the playoffs and got a ring !

Great vid jonny. Nothing but facts. And Pau absolutely deserved finals mvp n 10. He outplayed my favorite player kg from start 2 finish.

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

Yeah FVMP with 18 and 10 😂😂😂 Gtfo!!!

@MrShehateme12288

Жыл бұрын

Kobe earned finals MVP. He averaged 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.

@rockysalvatore435

Жыл бұрын

@@Mercurial. back then numbers were hard. LA had no shooting

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

@@rockysalvatore435 True and yet Kobe avg almost 30 vs That Celtics 3 HOFers. And Kobe avg All time great numbers in both 01&02 titles for LA but The Finals isn't The Playoffs than Kobe would have been MVP!

Always give this channel a like due to the intro of the videos

I'm not sure what Kobe's legacy would be, but it would probably be partly as a Chicago Bull. I've been a Laker fan my whole life, and I never really understood Kobe until after he retired. The media always pushed the narrative that he was a selfish prima donna with amazing talent, but that was about it. I never knew how dedicated to winning he was or about his insane work ethic or that he was incredibly smart and insightful. The media narrative was always about his athleticism, how many shots he took, how he never passed, how he "whined" about the organization, and especially _especially_ that he was an arrogant jerk. And he was - Kobe was absolutely an arrogant jerk to his teammates, because he didn't respect their work ethics _(at least that's what he said in some post-retirement quotes)._ He didn't respect them as teammates or professionals and he was a total asshole about it. It's probably why he loved Pau so much - Pau was an excellent player who worked his ass off. Kobe said he retired from the game with 4 real friends: Derek Fisher, Rony Turiaf(!), Caron Butler, and Pau. Looking back on that era I honestly don't remember what I thought of Kobe, but the Lakers were bad. Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, et al, weren't _terrible_ players, but they weren't NBA starter quality, and that was the whole team - Kobe Bryant, a hurt Lamar Odom, and 13 bench guys. Then they got Pau Gasol and won 2 titles, so yeah, Pau was pretty good.

Nice thing about this trade is that Marc Gasol also pan outs as Grizzles.. so someway the trade benefit both franchise

I watched the Mavericks vs Lakers game on March 17, 2023. Man, I was so emotional to see my basketball hero Gasol hung up on the rafters!!!

great memories...

Everyone loves a good underdog story

I love gasol one of the best lakers ever all lakers fan know pau was what we needed and I’m glad Los Angeles retired his jersey gracias pau

@tooreal4softassyoutube

10 ай бұрын

Trash

Glad he Got his Jersey retired by the lakers franchise,he Shoulda been on the 75th all time list.

@cornbreadmilton5265

Жыл бұрын

@ummusalmayakubu7599 thanks bro

Definitely one of the most underrated players of all time. When talking about the best power forwards of all time or even in this era he’s never mentioned. They were many players scored, more points, more rebounds, etc.. but in my opinion Pau’s impact on the game is up there.

@lioninthesun

6 ай бұрын

Pau gasol is not a top ten or even top fifteen player of all time.

@lioninthesun

6 ай бұрын

Pau gasol is not a top ten or even top fifteen player of all time.

@alext1065

6 ай бұрын

I was referring to power forwards

@lioninthesun

6 ай бұрын

@@alext1065 oh I was too, pau isn’t in the top 15 pf of all time in my eyes. I love him and the lakers wouldn’t have won without him. At least not back to back but there are a lot of pf that are better than pau

@alext1065

6 ай бұрын

I would say he’s one of the top 10 to 15 power forwards of all time. Not just because of his skill set, but even more valuable is that he’s able to play alongside an actual star. I can name at least 10 power forwards that are better than him But him been able to play alongside a star and knowing his role is a big plus in my opinion in order to make a great team

Another thing that many people miss to mention. Gasol was more clutch than Kobe in the 3 finals from 08 to 10.

Pau really saved the lakers though lol. As a fan i was happy asf when we got him and we won that 1st game vs the nets or jazz i think. He had 24 and 12 reb all hope had risen 😂

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

So Pau saved The Lakers now 😆 When Kobe DEMOLISHED and saved The Lakers for The whole playoffs 00-02 that didn't count but now "Pau saved the Lakers" for 2 games 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

@dominicharris5489

Жыл бұрын

@@Mercurial. if he never got traded to lakers they wasnt sniffing any finals 08 09 or 10. I thought that was common sense level thinkin 😕

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

@@dominicharris5489 U see how u couldn't even reply on the Lakers 3PEAT 🧐 Guess I thought that was common sense level thinking...

@dominicharris5489

Жыл бұрын

@@Mercurial. the lakers 3 peat has nothing to do with 08 to 2010 when Pau came wth. Lol

Pau was often criticized as being soft and passive. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is what i would call a finesse player with a high basketball IQ. He might not be able to bully or grind you down inside, but he still quietly dominates in many ways that dont show up on stat sheets (think Tim Duncan). No flashy moves but fundamentally sound. Kobe and Pau connected on another level not seen before. Kobe finally found someone to match his drive and intensity and earned his respect. Proof? The Mamba made him a godfather to his beloved daughter.

As a younger Laker fan at the time Pau was one of my favorite players in Hs and taught me most of what I know about off ball play. It’s a lost art in todays game but what Pau did for Bynum and for Kobe was amazing. Pau could Run the PnR with Bynum as the roll man free throw line in and even kick out to shooters and cutters. Then with Kobe he was perfect in screen actions. Pau had a great mid range jumper and could roll. If the defense rotated he could throw lobs over the top to Bynum in the short roll action almost Draymond like except more stiff and stationary. He had a nice floater if you tried to play in between. Literally besides the “Kobe and Pau” duo they were coined “The Twin Towers”. He got chewed out sometimes for now playing through physical contact but he tightened up and got sum Sauce after awhile.

@tooreal4softassyoutube

10 ай бұрын

Trash opinion

Marc Gasol ended up being a great player for the Grizzlies, but that Pau trade was unbelievably lopsided.

10:35 Anyone saying Pau should've won Finals MVP only remembers the last game and Pau wasn't efficient in that game either. Kobe still had 15 rebounds with his woeful shooting. When looking at all 7 games, Kobe deserved the Finals MVP and it never should've been a discussion.

Great player.

the big question with Pau is what if he hadn't been unselfish. Never one of those beasts who try climb on personal records, thou he could've played that role, as he used to with the spanish team. So he was 2 players: a total leader, and a 2nd sword for an alpha like Kobe. Maybe a better player would've never make it so well with Kobe due to that precisely. He knew how to be the 2nd one. It's like when in soccer, a creative player like Griezmann accepts the responsabiliy of defending while he could be scoring or shining. At this point we get more confused if comparing his stats as a leader in Memphis and as a 2nd sword in L.A. Hardly you may have seen somebody more regular or consistant. It's the enigma of my favourite player ever, for whoms performances i've kept awaken in the spanish late night during more than a decade.

U Will never find a bigger Kobe fan than me...and I know how much pau meant the moment I heard the trade was happening

Looking back on it I'm glad Marc got his own shine in Memphis and a ring in Toronto but man it would have been cool if the Lakers kept Marc and the Lakers won with both of the Gasol brothers

Pau literally was a perfect fit for Kobe. It goes to show how a system and a star player can push another player. Pau always had that dog in him it’s just MEM was trash, and he happened to play the same position as Dirk, KG, and Duncan.

@Mercurial.

Жыл бұрын

Kobe brought that DOG out of him wich he didn't have in Memphis of what? Won 0 playoffs games in 7 years 👀 Pau himself outspoken many times how Kobe made him MENTALLY stronger than ever before!

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

I dont see why people bash Gasol for lack of success in Memphis when they were barely good and the west was loaded. His 2nd best player was Mike miller who was decent but not enough to win. They came across the spurs and mavs also the nash and amare led suns

No 2010 Championship without Pau. The Unsung Mvp of Game 7 against the Celtics..

That pau and kg match up need to be revisited

My favorite Lakers Team are the back to back championship years pacifically the 08-09 season for some reason.

Pau may have saved the Lakers but they tried to trade him for Chris Paul the first season they stopped winning championships in if I remember correctly. Some gratitude.

I absolutely love Pau… happy he got his jersey retired and hopefully he will be in the hall of fame 2023 class in august.

I just find it funny that every time Jonny brings up Kobe getting booed at Staples Center, he (a Lakers fan) sounds surprised or shocked. The fans of every other team in the league are thinking, "yeah, that sounds like Lakers fans. They're pretty entitled" That said, great video. Pau really is an all-time great big

Gasol is a definition of a PF during 2000s era. I would rate him top 10 all time in PF

Saved Kobe’s career too tbh. The fact he named his own daughter after Gigi is touching too. This video isn’t about Pau at all tbh. It’s all about Kobe. You spent barely more than 1+ minute on Pau. You underrate Pau.

Arguably a top10 power forward of all-time

As a Lakers fan who thoroughly enjoyed those years, I can only imagine the misery the team has endured in that parallel universe where the Gasoline trade never happened. I bet it feels the same as the last couple of years, just extended to a couple decades lol

Excellent video and analysis. I've been giving Pau his flowers for a while. I always said that the Lakers were nothing without Pau and without him they were mediocre at best. If underrated was a person 😂.

Pau was very underrated in the championship runs

5:50 Larry David LMAO 🤣

Without Gasol, Kobe is probrably stuck as a top 25 player rather than top 5/10 player in most people's eyes

Kobe was a great player and one of the greatest winner in history. He's the only superstar to go through a rebuild in the middle of his prime. The media did Kobe really dirty.

Correction Jonny. Those Championships were possible because of Bryant,Gasol, Shannon Brown, Bynum, Odam and Derek Fisher of course. Basketball is a team game. But of course there's no way that the Lakers would have won without the great play of the big Spaniard.

Diesel didn’t AGE out, he got FAT and LAZY. He should have been the most effective unstoppable force in history, instead he was content just being giant, and it caused injuries and cut his career short. His last years were really tough to watch.

The answer for question about Kobe's Pippen. Yeah, it was Pau.

Pau Gasol is only underrated to people who never saw him play. He was a phenomenal big man, and was a franchise player in Memphis, along with being a perennial all star, before even arriving in Los Angeles.

@tooreal4softassyoutube

10 ай бұрын

Nah average at best sucka

5:50 Note Larry David at the center of the frame.

Both pau and marc were great players

You can't retire Kobe's 24 without retiring Gasol's number.

The greatest win-win trade in NBA history.

I remember that in one of those Lakers Suns series the Lakers were up 3 to o and I bet my buddy a hundred bucks the sons would still win the series.... It was a painful bet for me to make because I've been a lifelong lakerfan but at that point I was exhausted with the lame supporting cast around Kobe..... Needless to say I won the bet

A Video On Dream Team 2 (94 FIBA Team)

🏀🏀🏀🙌🙌

Facts we forget this Kobe story

He just Helps Kobe to be a Great Player Again,While Kobe finds a Bestfriend in Pau.these two Won a Back2Back NBA CHAMPIONSHIP🏆 and that is very hard to do.

Siempre he dicho que en el segundo anillo de Pau tenía que haber sido compartido el MVP de las finales entre Kobe y Pau

Should also mention jerry west, grizzlies GM at that time, gift wrap pau gasol to the lakers. A trade that heavily critized by other team execs.

Jonny there is a God he is definitely real and real as real can get

I like pau but he shouldn’t win finals mvp because of one game Kobe played good all the other games

@melvynsngltn27

Жыл бұрын

1 game? He had the second most points in that series and the most rebounds

@Batmankage

Жыл бұрын

@@melvynsngltn27 Kobe averaged 28-8-5 pau averaged 18-11-4. I don’t wanna hear it

@melvynsngltn27

Жыл бұрын

@TheKingkakashi Kobe took 100 more shots. Gasol outplayed Garnett and outrebounded everyone

@anthonysanchez5997

Жыл бұрын

Kobe was the MVP, no controversy. Kobe had only one bad shooting game in Game 7, but everyone shot bad that game. Through the first 6 games, Kobe was the favorite by far. People just look at his shooting percentage for the series, and Game 7 but forget his 15 rebound, and excellent defense on Rondo, and Allen in Game 7. Also he was clutch at the end when they needed him the most.

@ezekwu

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonysanchez5997 exactly...

10:38 🥀❤️🥲

Imagine having sunch confidence in Marc Gasol you accept that trade giving away a dominant Power Forward for an NBA unproven player and two other players not near Pau's level combined. Imagine if Marc became a Lakers starter. Do you think they would have won any rings?

It’s sad how the media be talking crazy about certain players then give others a pass for the same type of stuff. R.I.P Mamba

You know lakers fans don't play if they're booing their best player to ever play for the franchise!

Pau Gasol obviously helped the Lakers win two straight championships, but remember it was Kobe's leadership that made Pau a champtionship-tough player. He averaged 14.7 ppg in the 2008 Finals and got pushed around by Boston's front line. Kobe molded Pau into his perfect complement the way Michael did with Scottie. Kobe was the potter. Pau was the clay. Remember that Pau won zero playoff GAMES in his career without Kobe Bryant. Just some perspective.

@demappless

Жыл бұрын

And who did Memphis have in those playoffs that could compete in the wild wild west? His best teammates were Shane Battier and Mike Miller. Other players include Chucky Atkins, Hakeem Warrick, 35 yr old Eddie Jones. Without Pau, Kobe is a first round exit Without Kobe, Pau is a first round exit Kobe only won because Shaq was there. They elevated and complemented each others games. Dont get it twisted.

@thsu8

Жыл бұрын

@@demappless Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade to win championships. Kobe needed Pau Gasol. Think about that logically before you reply.

I love hearing how the Celtics thought when they faced the Lakers the second time in 2010 they found Lau much more of a competitor. Kobe brought out that dawg in him. It goes to show what type of a leader Kobe was. Jordan did this too. It’s what makes them better than Lebron.

If the Lakers never got Pau Gasol I think Kobe's legacy would be very similar to a guy like Allen Iverson. He's a dog and nobody will ever deny that, but he also put up a lot of bad shots, had times where he was a Me player vs a Team player (06 and 07). Or worse treated how young people treat Scottie Pippen these days by saying things like Scottie was carried by Jordan. Both of these seem very likely without those 2 championships in 09 and 2010.

@blacknetsmed

Жыл бұрын

Not at all. In the 2001 Playoffs he led the Lakers in BPM, Win Shares, VORP and a host of other metrics. But to your hypothetical, if Lakers never got Pau or any All-Star player, Kobe would've left the Lakers.

@GloriousKev

Жыл бұрын

@@blacknetsmed Leaving the Lakers and maybe he won or maybe he didn't. Doesn't change that people still saw him as being carried by Shaq. Worse they may talk about him like they talk about KD going to Golden State.

It's a crime that he wasn't part of the NBA top 75

And they traded him which was rejected. Lakers sure did treated Gasol wrong. But I was happy that the lakers retire his number. Future HOF!!!

Half the kobe fans honestly disrespect the legacy of Pau to pat up Kobe which has been the case for a while now

@Henry-fn1zw

5 ай бұрын

we rlly dont lmao

@jacoblee5796

3 ай бұрын

This is 10000% what's going on, then these same Kobe fans deny they are doing it.

@Henry-fn1zw

3 ай бұрын

@@jacoblee5796 cuz u group all of em together and act like every single Kobe fan does it. Ur a hater but u deny it

@jacoblee5796

3 ай бұрын

@@Henry-fn1zw I'm not acting like anything, all Kobe stans do this. They all belittle Gasol to try and prop up Kobe. It's honestly kind of pathetic.

@Henry-fn1zw

3 ай бұрын

@@jacoblee5796 not all

HLOAT that's for sure. Still is lol 10:58

Hard to say. The Lakers were playing better before Pau came than they did the previous three seasons. Maybe they would have traded for other players or signed free agents to help them win titles. I'm positive Kobe would have won titles with someone else if not Pau.

I do think Kobe would still be viewed as the 2nd best shooting guard of all-time even if the Gasol trade never happened but he would be further out of any top 5 player of all-time discussions and I think more people might even leave him out of their top 10.

This guy was just as important as pippen was too Jordan but Lakers fans dont nearly talk enough about him or give him that much respect. I always about Kobe winning those 2 rings. Pau never get memtioned which is so wrong. With Pau Kobe would only be a top 20-25 player but because of Pau he is a top 5-10 player in most eyes

8:39 shout out to my girl Michelle Beadle in her early days!