Old Guard Media Kills Long Form Discussion

In this excerpt from our most recent podcast with Vivek Ramaswamy, he and Dr. Peterson discuss his run-in with the Atlantic, how they purposely removed context from his interview, and why the establishment media attempts to kill nuance and long form discussion.
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  • @heystarfish100
    @heystarfish10026 күн бұрын

    I gave up on all mainstream media years ago. I don’t even have any interest in television anymore. I canceled my cable subscription years ago and don’t miss being misinformed about everything any longer. 😂

  • @dalebannon8503

    @dalebannon8503

    26 күн бұрын

    I gave up on commercial television over two decades ago.

  • @silentx

    @silentx

    26 күн бұрын

    @@dalebannon8503facts, im 22 , never got the news from TV, blessing for me to know the truths easier and the spread the objective facts

  • @3ZEBRA

    @3ZEBRA

    26 күн бұрын

    @@dalebannon8503 very good choice. bc of the modern advertising industry every human who watches TV (and the mainstream Internet like YT) literally ARE the product (Google makes more money the more people see their ads, although they also make money from other services, now)

  • @user-kf8wb2cq4f

    @user-kf8wb2cq4f

    26 күн бұрын

    ​@@dalebannon8503....Gave up All television 4 years ago and don't miss it. I'm *very* selective about news sources too. Overall, I feel significantly better.

  • @tommohsien888

    @tommohsien888

    26 күн бұрын

    Sucks if you are a Lakers fan like myself. I have to have cable to watch one freakin channel.

  • @michaeljbreault
    @michaeljbreault26 күн бұрын

    These two guys are so well spoken and a pleasure to listen to.

  • @JPN20

    @JPN20

    26 күн бұрын

    I learned a lot of words from both of them in this podcast, even though I do not even have a modicum of interest in american politics lol.

  • @jeffharris8166
    @jeffharris816625 күн бұрын

    The more I listen to V, the more I like him. I've been a huge fan of Dr. Peterson for years.

  • @CarportCarl
    @CarportCarl26 күн бұрын

    The old Media started short gotcha interviews. This IS why I left them along with Rush exposure of how they all say the same thing with his radio segments.

  • @FranklinFleming-lm1yu

    @FranklinFleming-lm1yu

    26 күн бұрын

    Yeah they are owned for sure. After barbie radio is dead for me 😅. Non stop funding to hype barbie.

  • @redwatch1100

    @redwatch1100

    25 күн бұрын

    "Drive by media", Rush called it.

  • @destinymayberry6217
    @destinymayberry621726 күн бұрын

    Im happy Jordan continued his interviews with him. It brings alot of light to things behind the scene.

  • @Jonatanpbm

    @Jonatanpbm

    26 күн бұрын

    I don't agree with you so much. I find Jordan interesting and intelligent. However, I have my doubts about the other guy.

  • @moonrabbit2334

    @moonrabbit2334

    24 күн бұрын

    because he's brown?​@@Jonatanpbm

  • @nebula0024
    @nebula002426 күн бұрын

    This video is a *perfect* example of how crooked and corrupt the entire system of legacy media and politics as a whole are. Instead of seeking truth, they actively seek to create a narrative that fulfills whatever it is they want to create, for whatever reasons. Also, as someone who has worked as a video editor for decades now, I know *exactly* how interviews and audio snippets can be twisted and manipulated. For those of us who edit video from an honest perspective, we sometimes shuffle things around so the overall story is more clear and engaging. Unfortunately, when it comes to legacy media and politics, this technique is used ALL THE TIME to smear people, discredit people, and to twist facts in such a way that it's not technically a lie, but not the truth either. It's vile and sickening.

  • @sidthemyth

    @sidthemyth

    26 күн бұрын

    yes, but they know the truth also and dont say it...

  • @william6223
    @william622326 күн бұрын

    The corporatist control shows that resistance is essential, building our parallel world so we may have justice and freedom, rather than what the establishment wants for us.

  • @johntruxal432
    @johntruxal43225 күн бұрын

    Vivek and Jordan , 2 quality people that are in demand. 🔥

  • @TimBitts649
    @TimBitts64926 күн бұрын

    Victor Davis Hanson on Megyn Kelly said recently he noticed in the polling data, which parts of the population are voting Democrat vs. Republican: college educated people vote heavily Democrat. Does this mean they are smarter? No, I think it reflects economic interest. America is a complex place, political parties evolve to capture certain segments of the population based on their economic interests and beliefs. College educated people are right to vote Democrat as they realize the political agenda of the left mostly benefits the college educated. A generation ago in the Kennedy liberal era, most people on the left were very pro-working class. It's in books like Working by Studs Terkel. Back in the 1960s you needed a high school education to work in a news room. Now you need a college degree. "Coming Apart" is an interesting book by Charles Murray long ago, that first noticed the classes in America are starting to come apart, form their own self-contained worlds of privilege and marriage. Professor Peterson once said most of his students at Harvard had parents in the economic top 1%. Of course Harvard is wildly leftist. It's the same broad social pattern: most young people who go to college have at least one, often two parents who went to college. Nepotism reinforces class privilege as well as world view. This is reflected in old school media snobbery. Legacy media is largely filled with the children of the elite. Such as Chris Cuomo somehow got into Harvard. His dad was Governor of New York. Anderson Cooper has repeated for decades, "keeping them honest". Well honestly, Anderson is a spoiled child of privilege, he has lots of rich ancestors. The legacy media has many reasons to not like long form discussions. The main one is, people will catch on, all the class privilege in media. CNN is all about upper class privilege. Katie Couric put it this way on Fox today: she characterized Republicanism as "anti-intellectualism". We all know how condescending that is. Typical Democrat. Vivek is refreshing because he is the child of recent immigrants, he is more like an old school liberal from the 1960s, who is still very much at home with the middle and working class. I saw him appear on Fox News "The 5" and that much was obvious. He's culturally comfortable with middle class Americans. Democrats on the other hand, are not. The classes are coming apart: Democrats are the party of snobs now, the party of the upper class, protecting corporate interests. Hillary put it this way about the American working class: "Deplorables". Whereas Obama put it this way: "They stick to their guns and religion." Democrat Nancy Pelosi characterized middle America as "Fly over country" in "small town America".

  • @3ZEBRA

    @3ZEBRA

    26 күн бұрын

    that's an excellent analysis

  • @TimBitts649

    @TimBitts649

    26 күн бұрын

    @@3ZEBRA thanks

  • @user-ci7vu7eo9w

    @user-ci7vu7eo9w

    26 күн бұрын

    If students vote democrats and think they are smarter than others is in reality wrong

  • @user-gw9sk1zy4s

    @user-gw9sk1zy4s

    26 күн бұрын

    The democrats are definitely the party of economic elites but still represent racial minorities especially blacks and sexual odd balls, etc. The democrats are the party of social and cultural outsiders. The Republicans, more or less, represent the economically marginalized.

  • @Aibric

    @Aibric

    24 күн бұрын

    I think it is more accurately about social class, which economic interest partially explains. There are plenty of people whose economic interests are not served by the democrat party but identify with it because they want to be seen as part of a higher status class. They almost certainly don’t think in those explicit terms because like most people they don’t understand themselves, but it’s what motivates their affiliation. Once the affiliation is made, they’re much more likely to uncritically accept and amplify whatever the party says or does, and oppose everything about the “other side.”

  • @NeonGenesisRevelations
    @NeonGenesisRevelations26 күн бұрын

    Two of my favorite people in one place.

  • @jim-se5xc

    @jim-se5xc

    26 күн бұрын

    Two of my favourite bores in one place.

  • @voyager9959

    @voyager9959

    24 күн бұрын

    ​@@jim-se5xc ...why are you here then? Genuine question, no beef, no feud, no animosity. Did you watch the video at all, or are you in the comment section to genuinely disrupt and troll others? 😂

  • @jim-se5xc

    @jim-se5xc

    24 күн бұрын

    @@voyager9959 You'll be ok.

  • @ericamulondo210
    @ericamulondo21026 күн бұрын

    What a pleasure to listen, learn, and observe such articulated, well-spoken gentlemen!

  • @Hainero2001
    @Hainero200126 күн бұрын

    When Dr. Peterson gained such unexpected fame, I don't know if he had any clue at the time that everything he had taught about the heroes journey, facing dragons, having bits of you torn away and the struggles a pains of this mortal journey were about to make themselves very plain and obvious to him in a such a personal way. I am truly grateful for the man and what he has done for western men. I hope he knows how many lives he has changed, including my own.

  • @user-cb4zo9lp2v
    @user-cb4zo9lp2v24 күн бұрын

    It's not just the media. Employers are doing the same thing, with complicity from, in my opinion, sycophantic employees to target employees who have what they consider to be 'wrong' attitudes or opinions. As an example that risks putting my neck on the line: in 2009 (or there abouts) I participated in an Equality and Diversity course. The paperwork involved stated quite clearly that there were no right or wrong answers, yet I failed the final exam for giving the wrong answers to several key questions. I was told that if I re-took the exam and corrected my wrong answers then I would easily pass. I refused to participate further. What is impacting us today has been building momentum for some time.

  • @thomascherrington5963
    @thomascherrington596326 күн бұрын

    Dr. Peterson I was blessed to watch your we who wrestle with God lecture in OKC. I hope that you saw my question after the lecture if not I will be reposting this a few times as to possibly have you see it hopefully I'm not annoying. The question I would like to hear answered is why is the Logos of the Universe on a Cross, why would he promise us anything, and do the promises he made apply to you? I have my own thoughts on it but your perspective is so Brilliant that I think that it would do the world some good or at least my consens. Thank you if you ever read this and thank you more if you ever answer my question. Thank you!

  • @destinymayberry6217
    @destinymayberry621726 күн бұрын

    Jordan if you read this though unlikely i would love to see a interview with Larry Elder and speak on the nasty behavior you recieved in congress and why.

  • @masesass2635
    @masesass263526 күн бұрын

    Vivek has my vote. I can’t wait for him to campaign again!

  • @Bon3zPedoBeater
    @Bon3zPedoBeater26 күн бұрын

    Hey Doc! Hope lifes treating you well! Thanks for all your help over the years, you helped me navigate the worst time in my life and should get the recognition you deserve for that!

  • @trixiebaybay3132
    @trixiebaybay313226 күн бұрын

    Thank you for the Ft. Worth show last night. My brain is still firing non stop.

  • @brendanmcsherry3143
    @brendanmcsherry314326 күн бұрын

    I loved Vivek in debates!!!

  • @user-cb4zo9lp2v
    @user-cb4zo9lp2v24 күн бұрын

    As I recall it was leftwing social warrior activists who came out in force in favour of the brutalistic, nationalistic ANC in South Africa - and within a decade Johannesburg went from the safest capital city in the world to the most dangerous. And SA's status as a flourishing bread basket African nation disappeared. That's where feelings over rational discussions (with a the facts on the table) leads, in my opinion.

  • @user-gw9sk1zy4s
    @user-gw9sk1zy4s26 күн бұрын

    Vivek is was of the most creative thinkers in politics.

  • @antoniomoreira5921
    @antoniomoreira592126 күн бұрын

    Hello Doc. Peterson, have you ever considered interwieving Schwerpunkt? He's a PhD in Medieval warfare but he's quite proficient the transcendental meaning of European Tradition. His work struck me and I think that your interaction could boost dramatically Transatlantic conservatism.

  • @carlettoburacco9235
    @carlettoburacco923526 күн бұрын

    This is why normal people like Vivek normally shy away from pursuing a political career. For many, it's a bit much to spend your days cleaning the slime that sticks to your clothes by talking to these creepy crawlies.

  • @estelaguidote3658
    @estelaguidote365822 күн бұрын

    Speak the truth! Great slogan…social media is corrupting the very essence of what the people should know in its full context and not from snippets of the macro narrative of any discussion and/or debate. Good reference to look into in terms of adhering to what our society in general should stand up for with a firm conviction and stance to gain trust and respect from the public.

  • @terrordude11
    @terrordude1126 күн бұрын

    I was truly disheartened when he dropped out of the race.... (just my opinion, i very well could be wrong) A well-educated, well-spoken man whose parents immigrated to this country, has morals and ideas, not bound by westernized ideals of media and politics. Not bound by party affiliated agendas or proselytizing. That's something we needed....

  • @rafalkaminski6389
    @rafalkaminski638926 күн бұрын

    Learn the lesson, vivek! They are malvolent and eager to destroy you by any reason 😮

  • @3ZEBRA
    @3ZEBRA26 күн бұрын

    exactly (or at least very similar) what they did to Larry Elder

  • @redwatch1100
    @redwatch110025 күн бұрын

    Some of these issues require long sentences and paragraphs and the "drive-by media" never lets you get through a sentence.

  • @davidnorman5488
    @davidnorman548826 күн бұрын

    If it weren't for the CIA need for it to push their narratives, would the NY Times exist? Or would it just add a laughtrack and become a podcast?

  • @eldergoob6086
    @eldergoob608626 күн бұрын

    Those of us born in 93 or later never signed up for cable in first place.

  • @billybussey

    @billybussey

    25 күн бұрын

    What? Tv is all free now?

  • @dianamiller4102
    @dianamiller410222 күн бұрын

    Wow is Ramiswami articulate!!! God bless him I hope he keeps high profile.

  • @zdog3338
    @zdog333826 күн бұрын

    Even though I'm subscribed with notification to J.P. channel, KZread has erased it from my algorithm

  • @esterhudson5104
    @esterhudson510426 күн бұрын

    Debbie Downer here. Long form discussion may have peaked. We’ve done the good bit. But it’s very time consuming with any regularity. I haven’t tuned into Rogan, say, for 2 years+.

  • @alexm2833

    @alexm2833

    26 күн бұрын

    Maybe you, but not everyone. Podcasts like rogans are doing extremely well.

  • @jamesragus1577
    @jamesragus157726 күн бұрын

    Yup, dig till you find a snippet tactic. Current events remind me of the movie “ Advise and Consent “. Same as it ever was, eh?

  • @kauffrau6764
    @kauffrau676421 күн бұрын

    This is why I don’t watch main stream media or read the news media. It’s all on KZread and we know the position of the channel so we have a context.

  • @liamfitzpatrick6793
    @liamfitzpatrick679325 күн бұрын

    Unrelated but I'd love to see JPs point of view of the recently released Cass Report in the UK on the subject of care for young people with gender incongruence

  • @glo3139
    @glo313926 күн бұрын

    I very much like Vivek Ramiswami.

  • @chrisstokie2361
    @chrisstokie236125 күн бұрын

    Trust no one. Question everything. 👍

  • @DaboooogA
    @DaboooogA26 күн бұрын

    Noam Chomsky was talking about this decades ago - he called it 'concision'.

  • @Ernesto_Gonzalez
    @Ernesto_Gonzalez26 күн бұрын

    12:00

  • @apkalluhall2760
    @apkalluhall276026 күн бұрын

    Nice

  • @salthouse54
    @salthouse5426 күн бұрын

    Wish jordan did a discussion with sam vaknin

  • @carlc7669
    @carlc766926 күн бұрын

  • @caregivergirlk
    @caregivergirlk20 күн бұрын

    Amen

  • @thechuckjosechannel.2702
    @thechuckjosechannel.270226 күн бұрын

    Don't talk to the Media, Ever.

  • @billybussey

    @billybussey

    25 күн бұрын

    He has to. That’s how he became famous

  • @avantgardenovelist
    @avantgardenovelist26 күн бұрын

    im voting for this guy. oh wait...😢

  • @RabbleRouser3777
    @RabbleRouser377726 күн бұрын

    Vivek is a Legend

  • @destinymayberry6217
    @destinymayberry621726 күн бұрын

    The script is the problem. More and more americans are getting completely fed up with media. Nobody trusts them and vivek was targeted by the other debaters. I definitely think they locked larry elder out. He would have chewed them to pieces.

  • @Ironmon007
    @Ironmon00725 күн бұрын

    Vivek would be a wonderful VP and after that the President

  • @letsgo9901
    @letsgo990126 күн бұрын

    A "SOURCE" SAYS ... 😮 ?

  • @andreatimar1272
    @andreatimar127226 күн бұрын

    brillllliant

  • @islandprepperone
    @islandprepperone26 күн бұрын

    I wish, that you hadn’t dropped off the race. You would have been great as president.

  • @Theoriginalanimalcracker
    @Theoriginalanimalcracker26 күн бұрын

    Rich people go on vacations and relax for a month but if a poor person try’s to do it then it’s “bipolar disorder”

  • @Steven_Gifford
    @Steven_Gifford26 күн бұрын

    How frustrating

  • @Boingfish1
    @Boingfish126 күн бұрын

    👌

  • @tblair2277
    @tblair227726 күн бұрын

    Truth.

  • @KayGuidry-hc4qr
    @KayGuidry-hc4qr26 күн бұрын

    Remember.... Money is always the bottom line for everything... Unless you are a true patriot... FJB 💯🇺🇸🗽

  • @sidthemyth
    @sidthemyth26 күн бұрын

    what planes man?!

  • @bobbiecrider6964
    @bobbiecrider696426 күн бұрын

    👍👍

  • @cahlendavidson2921
    @cahlendavidson292126 күн бұрын

    I'm not a Vivek ramaswamy guy but the legacy media is just pathetic

  • @Wisdom84-84
    @Wisdom84-8423 күн бұрын

    tuyệt vời quá

  • @nordicresilience7449
    @nordicresilience744926 күн бұрын

    What boggles my mind is how anyone that have some form of media exposure (and likely training in handling it) would say absolutely _anything_ to _any_ media without arranging to have the entire conversation recorded yourself as evidence on what was actually said and done?

  • @kaighSea
    @kaighSea26 күн бұрын

    VIVEK2028

  • @Kartik-it2qc
    @Kartik-it2qc26 күн бұрын

    Do a podcast with Friedrich Nietzsche.

  • @TheGringoSalado
    @TheGringoSalado26 күн бұрын

    No debates for President of the USA. 🇺🇸 ???? Seems fishy

  • @flxrldmr
    @flxrldmr14 күн бұрын

    sounds like Chomsky

  • @merlinwizard1000
    @merlinwizard100026 күн бұрын

    23rd, 16 April 2024

  • @DC-gh6dy
    @DC-gh6dy25 күн бұрын

    Commenting for KZread

  • @neo_ofc
    @neo_ofc26 күн бұрын

    Em qual continente fica a Polônia...??

  • @john-xp4em
    @john-xp4em26 күн бұрын

    Make TRUMP president AGAIN..... make AMERICA great AGAIN...... and make AMERICA pray AGAIN.

  • @TheAdderkop

    @TheAdderkop

    26 күн бұрын

    Trump is a traitor.

  • @Donnie-sh9md
    @Donnie-sh9md26 күн бұрын

    Mainstream media would just feed us long form bullshit instead bite size bullshit lol

  • @tito.tarantula
    @tito.tarantula26 күн бұрын

    I’m not a fan of mass media but why wouldn’t Vivek, or anyone in his position, just openly turn his phone recorder on during an interview even if his PS was "at a wedding"? Just another long winded, meaningless explanation by a politician. If he doesn’t recognize the example set by his high-paid PS nor listen to his more intelligent wife, who obviously knew he could get played (rightly so), it’s probably time Vivek contemplate what his true calling is... and whatever that may be, It definitely isn't politics.

  • @terryleebo
    @terryleebo21 күн бұрын

    I may warm up to him, but at the moment I find Ramaswamy irritating. He may be the irritant we need in DC.

  • @andy14169
    @andy1416926 күн бұрын

    Joe Rogan has been saying this for over a decade...way to bite someone else's words and pretend they're yours Vivek 😂

  • @letsgo9901
    @letsgo990126 күн бұрын

    I AM A YT CYBER BULLY ? 😮 I WAS banned from ALL comments for 24 HOURS 😮😮😮

  • @DyC1.45
    @DyC1.4525 күн бұрын

    He spent his time begging them to vote for him, saying that he was like Trump, only with fresh legs, and not to vote for Donal Trump because that affected him, that it was better to vote for him, not for Donald Trump, that way he would save him... ...he is a liar like the one who has financially sponsored him with millions of dollars, that is, George Soros and his 2030 agenda and the Davos Forum (that is, he is a democrat dressed as a republican)...he is a fake.

  • @thatomofolo452
    @thatomofolo45226 күн бұрын

    Long live President Donald Trump 🦅🦅🦅♥️💫

  • @neo_ofc
    @neo_ofc26 күн бұрын

    Qual a capital de Minas Gerais?

  • @3halfshadows
    @3halfshadows26 күн бұрын

    Imagine running for president and not knowing how the media game is played.

  • @harrythedirty4256
    @harrythedirty425626 күн бұрын

    Guys I wanna buy the make America great again Bible but with a voucher because it’s 60$ that’s expensive for me, y’all know how? God bless

  • @GOOGLE-ADMlN
    @GOOGLE-ADMlN26 күн бұрын

    *TRUMP NEEDS TO DROP OUT AND ENDORSE RAMASWAMY!!*

  • @krisflynn7974

    @krisflynn7974

    26 күн бұрын

    Dude. Trump isthe CIC of the military right now, A higher position than the President LO.L all enemies foreign and domestic remember ?

  • @Jst4vdeos
    @Jst4vdeos26 күн бұрын

    Vivek > Trump

  • @YouTubeIsRunByMarxists
    @YouTubeIsRunByMarxists26 күн бұрын

    Ramaswamy is a fence turtle. He's no real conservative; he's a plant.

  • @_Solaris

    @_Solaris

    26 күн бұрын

    How so?

  • @rushiljain9423
    @rushiljain942326 күн бұрын

    Is Vivek was white it would’ve been awesome. I’m not voting for him just for that reason. Sorry Vivek, good luck though

  • @wade2bosh

    @wade2bosh

    20 күн бұрын

    okay nazi

  • @I-AM-LOKI-666
    @I-AM-LOKI-66626 күн бұрын

    I really hate every candidate in that field, I posted racist shit against vivek on bitchute, i repent of it not, but.... i'll say this, this guy actually is TRUMP'S BEST CHOICE. Embarassing but true, But here's the issue, I still feel i gotta say no but no not really..... I feel this guy would betray me, I'd end up living like i did under obama, but..... Keep him in your pocket TRUMP You can watch him, see how he runs, REPUBLICANS NEED more DUI Candidates..... that's the stupidest part. I feel like i can't even vote for them happily because the left that ruined me has loved them so fuckin much.

  • @kdub6593
    @kdub659326 күн бұрын

    No more Vivek please.

  • @user_xsr
    @user_xsr26 күн бұрын

    i loved how vivek knows all their game, play along with it and beat them at their own stupid game!! bravoooo

  • @Madpanda2828
    @Madpanda282826 күн бұрын

    @JordanBPeterson hi, do you have an email I could use to contact you? Thanks

  • @BagelsnOj
    @BagelsnOj26 күн бұрын

    KZread won't let me like this video

  • @BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS.800
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    This is exactly what I needed right now.

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