If you are not prepared to listen to ideas that challenge your assumptions you can't learn, that really is the crux of the matter.

@jamesmurray_scot

5 жыл бұрын

What about when I leant my times tables. That didn’t challenge any assumptions, but I still learnt it. Challenges can be a positive or negative, and there is no crux. Everyone is different.

@gungan5822

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmurray_scot That's a silly argument. Snowflakes get offended by actual history, even though it is a recorded fact. They are offended by statistics and geography. Whatever doesn't fit the victimization narrative is offensive. They just haven't figured out how times tables offend them yet.

@jamesmurray_scot

4 жыл бұрын

@@gungan5822It's more an observation than an argument. But if you want an argument, be my guest.

@salaciousBastard

4 жыл бұрын

@@gungan5822 Snowflakes are also offended by colorful cloths being burned and people kneeling. What else is new?

@serpentines6356

4 жыл бұрын

Went to the local women's march in 2018, to see what was going on, and if I might have some decent debates. I have always supported women being treated right in the workplace etc., since I endured much abuse in life, but the current popularity of so many people feeling a need to be PC, makes me ill. We so need to support free speech. I was appalled at how one baby boomer generation woman equated the problems at our southern border (in the U.S.) with what Nazis did. She knows better. It wasn't like she was 19. I am finding the lefties in the boomer generation fueling some of the most dangerous rhetoric. I attempt to call them out on it, but they have their minds set. It's frustrating, but people need to keep speaking up when they can. We need more dialogue with each other, not less.

It's not wrong to be offended, everyone gets offended by many things, it's wrong to assume that your offence should mean anything to anyone but you

@iAmNothingness

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfaoooo. You don't know how true that is.

@delailama736

4 жыл бұрын

@lolcano234 No, because in a relationship, if both or all people involved had that belief, there wouldn't be a problem.

@delailama736

4 жыл бұрын

@lolcano234 You seem to be missing the point. The point is not that you get offended, everyone gets offended. The point is that when you get offended, that isn't the be all and end all. Being offended is what should cause you to investigate why someone or something has challenged what you believe to be true. If you were just getting offended by your partner and not reconciling why you were offended, you wouldn't have a relationship for very long.

@delailama736

4 жыл бұрын

@lolcano234 Your partner telling you they are offended doesn't mean anything. Telling you why they are offended does.

@delailama736

4 жыл бұрын

@lolcano234 What two things?

Funny, my strong mother told me, "Don't worry what others say about you. You know who you are. Most people don't agree. That's life."

@rheanstatements

5 жыл бұрын

my mother told me the same thing.... while also subjecting me to horrific psychological abuse. the structures we labour under in our world are often damaged, in need of repair. when we try and speak up about how some of these things are indeed, pointless abuses of power, that can simply be done away with, we are called snowflakes. rather you should question why anyone would support abuse? i honestly do care about what others think of me, i am strong. i care about those that are in a place of less privilege than i.

@80Day_bender

4 жыл бұрын

@@rheanstatements don't talk about it, do it. Be the change you want to see.

@Elasesinodelcruce

4 жыл бұрын

I was abused too, but there's a difference between abusive family environment to being offended by everything everyone says and does, to be offended by history, other people's opinions and views and by the truth, that's what is being discussed here. Official snowflakes can't even listen to points being presented before they are utterly offended and closed to new points of view.

@deniseward002

4 жыл бұрын

@@rheanstatements That's great you can care but to shut down someone's expression because you suffer from reactions to certain words or phrases doesn't cut it. For you to have benefits shouldn't trump someone else's. Free speech is more than a right, rights are given, free speech is natural - tyrants try to take it away. Like she said, if you stifle free speech, what gives you the right to have it then and to complain about somebody else's speech or behavior? You see - it shuts you down too because you can be sure tyrants will want to enforce censorship - they can't wait to and this is because they get the advantages. So try not to bring more tyranny into the world.

@topace9210

4 жыл бұрын

What anyone thinks about you is none of your business. Not from my mother. But is my favourite saying

as Stephen Fry says - when you are discussing any topic, and someone says, "I find that offensive" the correct response is most often, "So what?"

This TED talk should be shown to all high school students to educate them, and to give them a warning of what the real world is like.

@shelbyinmon8654

4 жыл бұрын

There is a girl I sit next to in my history class I love her and all but she gets offended by history and that conserns me so much

@blunt92

2 жыл бұрын

if we all lived in "the REAL WRLD" BUT its a collection perceptions the reality is there are alt universe in house next door the collective is individual conception of entirety a construct of individual connection to community we all construct our own reality.

This video doesn't even have close to enough views.

@HelloHi-mn3hn

5 жыл бұрын

Share it! 😊

@ShadoWafel

5 жыл бұрын

This is too right wing for KZread to recommend it to people.

@ggrthemostgodless8713

4 жыл бұрын

Not the narrative feminists want to spread.

@czos9239

4 жыл бұрын

The people it would apply to would've attacked the presenters, staff, and terrorized neighborhood.

@meiel424

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, I really like the way she explained it

"When somebody says: "I'm Offended!", I say; I'm still waiting to hear what your argument is. And I'm not running for anything, so I don't care if you don't like me" - Christopher Hitchens

@Solbm27

3 жыл бұрын

Omnipitous ahh, truly miss The Hitch

@colinsoder

3 жыл бұрын

It is funny how people think that by saying "I find that offensive" they are making a concluding argument. This thought can occur to them, but they should use it as a jumping off point to create actual arguments with evidence and data and to start a dialogue.

If they think walking past a statue is akin to slavery I'm offended that they have the nerve to compare the two.

One of the best talks I've heard in ages. Free speech is our birthright. We must not let it be taken away. Nothing could be more insulting than tyranny and today many tyrants try to stop free speech because of their lack of mastery over their emotions and thoughts. Both women were extraordinary.

What the lady on the right said about kids internalizing this feeling of having mental health problems, taking stress and hardship and so on and turning it into a bigger problem, is a big issue. As a high schooler I observe this all the time, seeing facebook posts about people being so depressed, and so lonely and nobody caring about them and being so stressed about school and being overwhelmed, but then I'd talk to them one on one and they'd admit to procrastinating for hours, blowing off homework, scrolling through facebook and posting, watching their Netflix shows and so on. I'd ask why they dont just get it done, why not improve themselves, and they often say "oh I'll do it later" or "oh I'm too lazy" or " I just dont care anymore". It got to the point that I had to stop following people because the mindset is just toxic. We're breeding an entire group mindset, almost an echo chamber, of people choosing to be lazy, choosing not to do things that deep down they really do want to do in order to get the attention and satisfaction of people throwing thumbs up at them out of sympathy, or pity. It's gotten to the point that we become confused, begin questioning what's important. Losing motivation, deciding that doing homework really doesn't matter, that I really don't want to work on that choir solo, that I really don't want to go out and clean my car. We're generating for ourselves our own inner anxiety about what we want, who we are, and why we do anything, and it's incredibly toxic, draining, and difficult to get out of. Being lost has become a trend.

@oreorf4569

2 жыл бұрын

great kinda perspective, take my token of internet pixels as gratituttututude

@robertnorris3148

2 жыл бұрын

college, changing job market,ite ,lack of housing even the very existence of a world without life threatening climate changes. Perhaps what you perceive as lazy unmotivated tendencies ,so common in every teenager,actually has more serious underlying elements of "learned helplessness" the result from being faced with these unprecedented obstacles of obtaining a rewarding life as a reward for their hard work and sacrifices?

This is wonderful conversation! I loved my university experience in the late 80's, where I felt comfortable and encouraged to debate and challenge ideas. That's what life is all about!! Offense taken by the expression of ideas is ridiculous. I feel so sad for these young people that they don't learn how to be strong and are willing and able to face adversity and differing view points. It is really tragic, actually.

I am and always have been advocating against this watering down of the term "bullying". I was a victim of actual bullying, some might call it abuse. I got socially isolated from EVERYONE since everyone who wasn't against me had to suffer the same penalties as me. I got beaten up nearly every day at school, if I reported any of that the kids who did it got a minor punishment and punished me hard for this. When I was at the public swimming pool, they pushed my head under water way longer than I could keep my breath, so I learned at a very young age what it feels like to drown and to fear for your life. All that was accompanied with insults and the usual stuff people nowadays call "harrassment" or "bullying". In my eyes: Cyberbullying does not exist. Oh there is a facebook group which says mean stuff about you? who cares, don't be part of this group and you don't have to read it. Someone types/posts mean stuff to/about you? There is an ignore button on EVERY platform. It is so simple to avoid that. Someone insults you? that is not bullying. Bullying is if it becomes a habit. If he insults you regularly. Not once, not twice, and not for a week. But oh well, now it is bullying if I disagree with your opinion on certain topics....

@Delinae

4 жыл бұрын

I'd amend what you said to something like, cyberbullying shouldn't be called that if it's not intentionally targeted at an individual with the prime purpose of making them feel unsafe. Bullying happens even if nothing is done to the target physically, and nonphysical things can happen electronically. Calling it cyberbullying isn't really a comment on the severity of the bullying, it's just to point out that it's a new realm that requires new means of managing.

@Huveto

4 жыл бұрын

You should become more open and outspoken about your experience and help other kids who are facing the same thing. But I want you to rethink your statement saying that cyberbullying doesn't exist. There are real cyberbullying that can have worse impact than physical bullying on people. There are people whose life got destroyed by cyberbullying. Could be in any form. Sometimes just ignoring them isn't enough. Videos and pics been misused and rumours being spread or personal attack which harms their reputations in their proffessional and personal life is rampant.

@Dece132

4 жыл бұрын

its dem policies that make the kid have to murder someone before the schools actually do something

@kindbrute4640

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dece132 To this day, I don't blame a single school shooter. Humans are jackoffs, especially at high school age

@mikestepp9403

4 жыл бұрын

I beat up over 50 kids in high school that bullied kids like you whenever I saw it class of over 4000. Real Alpha males do that.

One of the biggest factors is that if you are trying to win me over, you can’t do that when you shut down the debate/conversation because you are offended by my arguments. Now I may never hear your side of the argument and possibly learn new information that may possibly sway me to abandon my theory and join your cause.

Very good discussion by 2 very sensible and inspiring people. Very rare these days.

@mardalsow444

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@SouthTX713

4 жыл бұрын

Andy lec58 y’all sound very depressing

@johnpearson6954

3 жыл бұрын

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@cristina-montenegro

3 жыл бұрын

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@cristina-montenegro

3 жыл бұрын

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Getting offended makes you weak, the sooner you realise it the better. You choose whether you want to be yourself and have your views respected, or be afraid to speak and express yourself in case you you offend any other "snowflakes".

I love that this video exits, I wish everyone could see it!

Storytime.. my aunt was once called out by a stranger for wearing a necklace with a star of David pendant.. she shouldn't wear that, that's not just something you could wear as jewellery.. .. she's jewish.. and it baffles me to this day that someone would look at her wearing her necklace and instead of deducing that she was jewish.. think instead she was appropriating..

The problem is that society currently bends the knee to the one who cries hurt. If I like something, but it hurts you (not directly, just emotionally), then I automatically lose and you win. The reason is that people are afraid to tell someone who is hurting “NO.” We are trained to coddle these people, feel sorry for them, take them more seriously than ourselves, and sacrifice ourselves for their comfort. Learn to say no to these people. It may seem harsh and unempathetic, but it’s necessary to build healthy boundaries and a healthy society.

bullying is not a specific act, but a persistent pattern of behavior. I was bullied, exactly with the examples she mentioned. And it was horrible, cause it was a persistent experience, for years, from everybody, every day. Name-calling, gestures and "being left out" are normal things, but if your entire peer group is doing it, its traumatising.

@ggrthemostgodless8713

4 жыл бұрын

So... dooooooo something about it.

@kindbrute4640

4 жыл бұрын

@@ggrthemostgodless8713 I did. I developed crippling depression. Yaay

@katarzynawaraksa4962

3 жыл бұрын

@OneAndOnly Fiqri lmao leave how? At 7 y o? :D

Absolutely LOVE Claire Fox. She reminds me of the strong, intelligent working class women of my family of Scots-Irish-Welsh heritage, come to America. May the Lord bless and keep her...cause we sure could use'er now !

To overcome intolerance, society became intensely intolerant. If someone has a different opinion, suddenly it’s ok,from the cowardly safety of a keyboard, to pulverize the person for that difference of belief. No more debate. Just hatred and intolerance. We get this from our leaders.

when someone tells me "i find that offensive!" i reply with "so what?" They are usually stupefied and don't know how to respond. They can't comprehend the notion that the are somehow irrelevant

@SaraGarciaRuiz89

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe you're just not intelligent enough to feel compassion and to put yourself in other's shoes... :/

@ericmanget4280

5 жыл бұрын

@@SaraGarciaRuiz89 Truth is more important than compassion. I could tell my kid that their dog ran away to a happy farm which distorts their perception of reality and does nothing to equip them with handling inevitable instances of death later in life or I can teach them that death is a natural part of life and arm them with the wisdom to accept that and healthily adapt.

@Ptan1101

5 жыл бұрын

@@SaraGarciaRuiz89 Did you ever consider that telling the truth, however insensitive, is a form of compassion?

@gungan5822

4 жыл бұрын

@@SaraGarciaRuiz89 Facts don't care about your feelings.

@doogleticker5183

4 жыл бұрын

@@SaraGarciaRuiz89 - Full on left-wing logic...use an insult instead of a logical rebuttal. SMH.

2 years later, this is more relevant than ever. Who's still watching it in 2020?

Fantastic discussion that absolutely nails it. Well said! Should be required viewing at schools and universities everywhere.

@keonnaterriquez4516

3 жыл бұрын

?

sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

@Roy_Dudson

3 жыл бұрын

Words will often get you in trouble

Now i know why i get accused of bullying when i give an counterargument with links to papers and statistics and witness records...

I would like to sincerely thank these women for speaking out on this, as it is very difficult for Ken to in the current rigged system. Thank you 1000 times!

My wife has turned my children into victims. They each have multiple medical diagnoses; I used to be "bad at math" but my kids have "math learning disabilities."

@lisamontez9401

4 жыл бұрын

You can't let that happen. You HAVE TO counter her. You have to tell her what she is doing . She is actually talking your children into mental fragility. You have rights as a father to stop it if she wants to administer drugs.

@CorpeningMedia

4 жыл бұрын

@@lisamontez9401 Thank you, but that is what I should have done years ago. I am now estranged from the kids and losing that battle in court. ♥

@signorriccio9848

2 жыл бұрын

@@CorpeningMedia Did it really go like this? 😔

@CorpeningMedia

2 жыл бұрын

@@signorriccio9848 Sadly, yes.

A great point they touched on us that ultimately it’s the fault of the parents, specifically the younger boomers and older Gen X (my generation) , we have raised these kids to be so fragile. How did we expect them to deal with adversity when we broke our backs to keep them from adversity.

@Buddhavibez

Жыл бұрын

Speak for yourself pal

Great talk and still 100% on point in 2021.

Not all young people are like this, I'll quite happily listen to 2, 3 or however many points of view there are on a matter, but a lot of people my age only want to hear one side of the argument or at least that's what it seems like

@halofreak1990

4 жыл бұрын

They only want to hear the side that confirms their beliefs.

@oreorf4569

2 жыл бұрын

kinda happened to me and im kinda dissapointed in my self for it, its like easy to just go with your side subsconsciously, like searching up a topic and if the first video agrees with me i just leave it and be satisfied,

@levihagen2006

2 жыл бұрын

treu i only want this side

Great discussion! Thank you, so much!

I truly believe the difficulties of being young today vs then has created a larger setting for high stress causing a widespread of mental illnesses such as anxiety and depression.

@1c396

4 жыл бұрын

Dificulty in what? You mean lack of. Easy times create weak people. That's why young people concern themselves with non existent issues.

@halofreak1990

4 жыл бұрын

@@1c396 Exactly. We're having it way too easy, these days.

@levihagen2006

2 жыл бұрын

@@1c396 true i do nothing for school and i still pass with ease exept for spelling

When you are always looking to be offended, then you will be... This fact is especially true in our collages - which is sort of maddening when you consider how cuddled and privileged the vast majority of students are. Rage without substance.

This whole micro-aggression thing is dangerous! I think parents need to monitor their kids time online! Make sure they're involved in social things like helping at food banks. Community service to keep them grounded and social! I'm so glad that I raised my girls tough loved! I told them they were beautiful and smart and they could do whatever they chose... BUT... I did not coddle them when they were wrong, no trophies for last place, and had them play in the dirt! Lol! I consider the fact that no one wants to actually discuss things these days and just resort to lashing out or shutting down extremely rude. To me it's like that old thing "talk to the hand"!...then having a hand stuck in your face. I will discuss anything anyday with anyone. If you cannot talk about things how can you survive..... Texting? 🤣🤣🤣💕🤟✌️

Great talk, I need to ad her book to my reading list.

Two years and this information is still very useful 💕💕💕

One of my favorite comebacks/responses to being told that's offensive is "i didn't draw the line, you did."

@Jaapst

3 жыл бұрын

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Brilliant Clare thanks from laois Ireland

There are lots of things that used to offend me, that do not offend me anymore. You become more resilient.

If you think about it, people are getting offended that other people are offended. :philosoraptor:

love her honesty

I think she has a point, and a lot of people want to shut down discussions by saying they are being attacked. But it's important to contextualize this "generation snowflake". Who are these kids? What exactly is offending them? Because a lot of young people are now realizing that the world is against them (because of their class, race, gender, and so on) and that it SHOULDN'T be, that it's not just what it is, it's not just natural. The conversation should not be about whether or not young people are "fragile", but how can they learn how to make use of their thoughts and feelings to transform society in a profound way instead of just superficially with seemingly arbitrary rules about what can or can't be said.

the "safe space" at my school was literally a day care lmao kid stuff and games and big fuzzy pillows and cartoons

@jasonchambers4495

3 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with that?

@CaptainAugust

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonchambers4495 like for adults

@jasonchambers4495

3 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainAugust Again. What is wrong with that?

@CaptainAugust

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonchambers4495 it keeps them like children forever. They will never learn how live in the real world. They will never grow if they hide from everything that makes them uncomfortable

@jasonchambers4495

3 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainAugust Or. It could be that by releasing stress and having time to engage with their inner child they can learn to relax and build up resilience to the external stressor that they confront.

The problems come when issues are “convoluted”! It’s accurate to tell someone that they don’t know what it’s like to experience: “racism”- when your social, education, housing and income are affected because of your race! As oppose to prejudice/discrimination: when you mistreat others because of their race, something anyone can experience. Issues become convoluted when others are “blamed” because they haven’t experienced racism! (or sexism, xenophobia) Instead, the goal should be to make others aware of these “injustices” towards other groups of people and to work together to remove these injustices from society! 🤔

Well said, we need to spread the word

This was brilliant

the dislikes are people who listened for 60 seconds, called her a boomer, and stopped listening

I'm sensitive, and that's an ok thing to be.

Finally a great book that allows all the view on the table.

@malehuseng8196

2 жыл бұрын

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@malehuseng8196

2 жыл бұрын

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Brilliant!!! Just because you are offended, doesn't mean what you find offensive, is offensive.

@aarongibson9027

3 жыл бұрын

And I found that statement highly offensive.

Very good discussion thank you. But I’m left wondering what should have happened instead with Tim Hunt?

Two great women 🙏🏻

I met Claire Fox this Saturday a real good choice for Mep for the Brexit Party . She really hates the job but will do it for the cause

I agree with her 100% about bullying!!! There is a difference between teasing, exclusion, and bullying.

10:47: "If we tell young people that maybe they're not as good as they think they are at something, then we're going to damage their self-esteem, forever." There's a concept in biology that "the dose makes the poison." Self-esteem is great, right up until it isn't. Telling people that they are better than they actually are is called "flattery," and it's been condemned from the dawn of human history all the way down until the last few decades, when it's been reframed as a positive trait. Now our chickens are coming home to roost, and we're starting to learn exactly why it's been condemned all throughout human history. Further in, she talks about "echo chambers" and how people get blindsided by things like Brexit and Trump's election, that they never saw it coming because the very clear signs that it was coming were outside of their filter bubbles. I think this is the greatest harm that social media has perpetrated on the world. Remember in the early days of Twitter, how common it was for someone to confess something shameful, and then they'd get tons of responses, "oh, I thought it was only me who was like that! It's so good to learn I'm not alone!" Of course, these days those same Twits have turned Twitter into a cesspool of mob mentality, and while some people have expressed surprise at the change, it seems to me to be exactly what you'd expect, because people failed to realize a more important point: *just because you're not alone in something doesn't mean it's normal.* Now we've got extremists thinking that their extreme ideas are mainstream because all their friends in their filter bubble are also extremists, and it's doing massive harm to real people in the real world.

Thank you. I never had words for expressing myself. Because I'm a young white male. Whom was raised by my grandfather because my father died when I was very young. So I was raised to take responsibility for my actions and words can't physically hurt me.

This is important.

I was at and wrote about the Rhodes campaign and I must say that of course I think comparing it to slavery is actually damaging I will say that I still believe that symbols have power and symbols of the empire need to be either removed or re-contextualised so that we understand the damage that they can do, and what ideas like Rhodes result in. But fully agree my generation is very thin skinned and I find it difficult to even ask questions, as if not knowing something is offensive in of itself.

Oh at last the voice of reason. So refreshing listening to someone with sense Instead of the namby pamby crown.

She says being called, for instance, a misogynist is "a missile being thrown at you."

first step to learning about the world is learning that it doesn't revolve around you

@dr1742

4 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@OGimouse1

4 жыл бұрын

So it doesn't revolve around the new generations, just three older ones?

All being said we all have ideas , concepts and opinions on life But what is damaging is when we confine those thoughts into stereotypical, prejudice isolationism , racism hatred resulting in damaging dehumanising people.

Jess Butcher MBE finally has a louder microphone. In her last video I saw, she was not loud enough. Please make sure your Technology is set properly. Thank you

When does the discomfort of the older generation give way to the discomfort of the newer generations? When is the older generation no longer required to learn and grow and the owness is placed firmly on the newer generations?

I find the offence culture offensive. Actually, I´m positive i´m offended!

@joshdunham7167

4 жыл бұрын

Please remove this comment, this is deeply offensive. Either you delete this or I'll be forced to report this for harassment.

@wiseauserious8750

4 жыл бұрын

I find your use of the term "actually" to be aggressive and patriarchal.

When I was at university they taught us HOW to think. However, nowadays it seems that universities teach WHAT to think instead. So the open platform needed to allow people to learn how to think has now been closed down and instead we see a whole generation of people who no longer know to think for themselves, but who now just parrot what 'influencers' tell them to think. Sad.

Superb,

I’m sure the Facebook algorithms are keeping this video hidden in the depths of the deep as to not be recovered lol

@MrShowtym

4 жыл бұрын

You know, but I just Shared it on Facebook, take that, to those darn snowflakes.

I understand your concern, and I agree that promoting the ability to discuss is a positive one. As a psychotherapist, I am wondering, when you diminish potential psychological harm to support your point of view, what theoretical or experiential basis are you relying on? How are you balancing your hypothesis of the ‘snowflake generation’ with the understanding that emotional neglect is the largest undetected and most pervasive generational trauma of our society?

My work has seen me spend quite a bit of time in Asia and the Middle East and, in both places, most of the people I've interacted with wear Western style business suits. Are they appropriating western culture?

Why is the sound quality so low? Even with all my stuff maxed on my laptop it was all very quiet.

@joshdunham7167

4 жыл бұрын

KZread algorithm. Saw this in of the men suicide thing too.

Clair Fox is a star...

Labelling everything someone dislikes and discounting it is known as being judgemental.

Well said its is a tactic of the times ...

Claire Fox has a great sense of humor, and it reminds me exactly of Ricky Gervais!

@HereTakeAFlower

3 жыл бұрын

She sounds a bit like him as well.

Why do our feelings not count when the Bully's do?

@zahedah80

3 жыл бұрын

Her point was that not everything is bullying. If a group of girl decide not to play with x, that isn't bullying. The true meaning of bullying has been broadened and now all kids think they are damaged because they were "bullied".

I don't think this is not a generation thing it's much deeper since even such mentality can be seen on all age groups. The younger people are just expressing it more because of social media.

An absolutist application of free speech is almost as harmful and damaging as no free speech at all. It has to be limited by what Jess refers to as the "play the ball, not the man" rule. Also, the only thing more valuable in a democracy than free speech is free listening; we seem to have forgotten how to do that.

@DousedInPiss

3 жыл бұрын

Why exactly?

They're not scared of words. They're scared of the actions behind the words. They're speaking out to uncover the lies and bias/secrecy and blindness and cruelty of "business as usual".

i find the young offensive... impossible to converse without txting them... steve hughes does a beautiful comedy sketch on being offended, fantastic...

The moment I hear I'm offended I walk away. Because being offended is a choice that you make. Also the moment you are offended by something you just gave it a power over you. Once you changed your thought processes you realize that being offended is a waste of time, energy and effort the vast majority of time. Also, its way past time that people disconnect from social media and collage. Both are toxic environments. Both are doing far more damage then good and have been for a very long time. Lastly a safe space is illogical. You are never truly safe. Even if you lived in a bunker three miles below the earth surface, you will not be 100% safe. This is a hard truth because that needs to be accepted. Because a life lived in fear is not a live worth living.

@AeneasGemini

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That's half true and half false, being offended is a choice, but it doesn't give power over you, it's just an expression of preference i.e. you dsilike something, as we all do. The problem is when people think that an expression of personal preference should be something that's forced on everyone else

kind of wish they spent some time to delineate between offensive speech and psychological abuse

Please study-Ken Honda and BK Shivani and Bruce Lipton thanks. ☺️

When you read about people in the 60s fainting at screenings of movies, you think "Were people really that flimsy back then?!". I thought people nowadays were tougher. People in the past had to actually deal with being slaves. We aren't at nearly so much risk of things like that these days. People should be more confident. But apparently not. None of this is about avoiding genuinely hurting someone - it's about low-achieving people jumping on the victim bandwagon and trying to smash down anyone who has ANY connection to something they don't like

There is a disconnect between, on one hand being so fragile they can't hear unwelcome ideas... and on the other hand DEMANDING safe spaces, etc. A genuinely weak, disempowered victim personality doesn't confront a university administration and start making demands. This makes me think the offense people claim is not genuine.

The thing about freedom of speech is that everyone gets to speak their mind and what some people have to say is that what other people have to say is not worth listening to. As long as nobody is trying to get law enforcement of some sort to silence people for what they say then it all falls under freedom of speech.

Nice

This is what Jordan Peterson goes on about all the time ... and the same thing with Ricky Gervais in his Netflix comedy special “Humanity”.

"Many people perceive they are being harmed, when they are not." - Dr Peterson

You will be offended, and it is beneficial to you as individual to grow a thick skin and learn to shrug it off. If you fail to do so, you will find yourself under-equipped to function within a society. You will offend other people, and it is beneficial to us as a society to try to avoid that, and to apologize when we cross the line. If you fail to do so, you will find yourself with fewer people who are willing to support you when you need one of the benefits of living in a society.

Round of applause.

At my age, I have seen enough to lack patience with this kind of victimhood. Most of the people speaking have no idea what suffering is.

some sound sensitive about having to consider experiences they don't identify with and can't perceive. inability to except they have sensitivity to their own issue of in-sensitivity

I was a Bernie supporter in 2016. Since then all but two of my dozens of left wing friends have deleted or blocked me on Facebook. Half because I was a terrible person for suggesting biology is not made up or sexist. The other half simply would turn a teary eyed and say I cant handle this I stated my opinion and dont want another if I tried to explore a topic deeper. As a blue collared man I'm economically liberal but for the sake of the country i cant volunteer for them again.

I'm not sure why, but I found that I didn't agree with the speakers on most matters. I think the younger generation are onto something and that we should have more faith in them. If they do at times go to extremes, that is the nature of being young. Therefore I think their ideas will balance out when they become adults. That is when they make the gradual shift from revolution to conservatism, that we all inevitably experience as we get older.

100%

Exactly, play the ball not the player. Bring your arguments, but don't humiliate people.

Social (and Mainstream) media are not doing our society any favours and have a large responsibility for our current set of issues with young people today.

Too many people live in their own little bubble now and when reality hits life is not what their bubble tea is that they have created for themselves so all they wanna do is revert back to their little bubble and say everyone else bad everyone else bad no matter what is being argued