Corrections: 3:55 - Nullifier does not prevent an ally from cycloning an enemy as that is considered a debuff, where Nullifier only removes buffs. That's on us for not realising the same spell can be considered a buff or debuff depending on who it is cast on. Thank you to users mikawesseling320 and shortcircuited5069 for the correction. 13:45 - despite saying that Repel is dispellable: it isn't actually dispelled by Nullifier. The only source of dispel that pierces Debuff Immunity is Shadow Demon's Demonic Purge ult. So while Shadow Demon can remove Repel, Nullifier can not. Thank you to user A H for this one that slipped us by. Game continues to be hard. Please do check the description for all item and hero ability interactions with Nullifier. Shout out to zzadrianzz who popularised this style of DOTA 2 content. You can find our full playlist of DOTA videos from various creators that explain how items and mechanics of DOTA actually work from Adrian and other creators like ZQuixotix, PainDota and BalloonDota as well as links to their channels by looking in the description as well. Good luck and Happy Gaming!

@synnnavamananda8859

Ай бұрын

Shud also tell how shadow blade counters it

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

While you can disjoint the projectile if you go invisible before it collides with you and you aren't detected in some way already: we'd never suggest Shadow Blade as a viable counterplay to Nullifier. The players that we've seen in pubs don't need more reasons to buy a Shadow Blade. In fact, we think there's an unhealthy reliance on Shadow Blade in the pub scene and people would actually gain MMR if they broke their reliance on it and learned better fundamentals of positioning.

@AH-vc3hb

Ай бұрын

Repel DOES get dispelled by shadow demons ulti though

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

@@AH-vc3hb Incredible catch! Realised already that Demonic Purge dispels all skills and items through BKB but hadn't even considered it pierces the Debuff Immunity of Repel to ultimately dispel it outright. Well done. God damn, game is hard.

@iutubsacs

Ай бұрын

Much respect for calling out people that inspired this type of video. Chivalry is super rare on social media.

The fact that a player needs to find a 17 minute video to explain how to use ONE of hundreds of items in Dota2 explains one of the game's big problems. Imagine being a new player.

@beneaththeveil

7 күн бұрын

While we can appreciate the sentiment: the complexity of the game is what we believe to be one of it's points of appeal and the reason so many people love it

@imoL_

6 күн бұрын

I see no problem here,lol.Dota is ALWAYS about learning.U cant know everything and its fun!

@Kromi1312

Күн бұрын

New players arent welcome

@fullmil3

Күн бұрын

also the reason the game is good tho

you dont know how hard i was trying to find information on this item... thank you bro.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad we could help!

@kentwithaperiod

22 күн бұрын

literally. "applies a debuff" tf does that mean.

Ever had a game with raidboss built bloodseeker (aghs scepter + bloodstone) where he just can't seem to have his hp get lower than full? Chances are, he's probably had a huge stack of hp barrier from his aghs scepter effect and will keep stacking up barrier from his ability overheals up to 50% of his max hp. This makes Bloodseeker so tanky while continuously dealing lots of dmg. With nullifier, you can immediately bring that barrier to zero and keep him from stacking up hp barrier for the duration of nullifier. From there, use every hp regen reducing spells or items you have to keep him from regaining hp from his thirst and bloodstone.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Damn, we thought we'd gotten all of them once we realised we missed the Jingu Mastery buff. We got the Bloodrage being dispellable but didn't catch the Bloodseeker Scepter, mainly because we haven't seen Bloodseeker at all ourselves lately. Great pickup! Appreciate you sharing!

@danielrojaszea3952

Ай бұрын

bro i just lost a game to an undying bloodseeker with insane amounts of shields we were able to bring down everyone but him. i didnt know or think about this, thank you this information will certainly benefit my gameplay.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

@@danielrojaszea3952 that's what we love to hear! Improving in Dota is all about learning all these niche opportunities for counterplay with items when an enemy invests way too deeply into a certain archetype

@cynicsoul6451

Ай бұрын

How I discovered this was actually kind of accidental. You see, I was playing support Veno and I took up on the role of providing as much enemy regen reducing items as I can. Having already built Vessel, I then look up to see which item I can build that will also reduce enemy regen. So there was Skadi and Shiva's Guard to pick. Obviously, Shiva's was the more reasonable choice as a support so I immediately bought the Helm of Iron Will as it's one of the components for Veil. It was my mistake as I didn't noticed that my Offlaner already has built his Veil and on his way to build Shiva's. So instead of going Shiva's Guard, I now have to find another item that I can make out of this Helm of Iron Will. At first, it looked like Crimson Guard was a good choice as it does offer some defensive aura but it just feels underwhelming for a low str support hero like Veno. That's when I decided to just go with Nullifier as it would at least make a lot of the enemies' defensive item buffs nullified. To my surprise, it works so well against the enemy Bloodseeker that just hit his Bloodstone + Aghanim's Scepter timing just around the same as my Nullifier timing. Bloodseeker with such build ia obviously still very hard to deal with all his spell lifesteal and fast Movement speed. But without the benefit of having his stacks of hp barrier from his Scepter, he is at least manageable and much easier to burst.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

@@cynicsoul6451 It's hilarious to me that you stumbled across an item counter simply because you didn't want to waste gold on a component item you'd already purchased. That's a shrewd dota player right there

One thing I don't see often but works in my Legend bracket is buying nullifier early-ish when you need damage. The best example is PA, if I see that the enemy team has good physical damage and no undispellable saves I don't even think about getting Deso but get Nulli instead. That way I solve the following problems: 1. enemy supports can't save themselves, I can genuinely feed on them 25 min into the game and they can't do anything about it as long as BKB is on 2. I get good damage, definitely not as much as a fully upgraded Deso but it's comparable early when not upgraded 3. I get good protection against physical damage, meaning PA is even less likely to die from physical damage 4. I can put the brakes on certain enemy core heroes such as MK, because his Jingu mastery buff is dispelled by Nullifier which makes him super sad in the midgame And the best yet, you force enemy supports into awkward itemization choices. Imagine their pos5 has their first defensive item half-done and they see you with a Nulli. Do they finish the item? Do they get baited into getting Linken which you can pop very easily? Super underrated in my opinion.

@beneaththeveil

28 күн бұрын

Exactly! Nullifier can and should be purchased as soon as you know you can kill heroes within the 5s window it gives you. For every hero, regardless of attribute group: Nullifier is in the top 5 highest raw damage gains in the whole game. Only 5 less damage than a Deso once you've gotten 30 charges on it. It's insanely good for damage and then it's tied for 4th highest source of armour gain only behind Shiva's, AC and Helm of the Overlord. It so, so good.

@xIcarus227

28 күн бұрын

@@beneaththeveil totally agree, thanks for completing! Such a good and slept upon item.

@hewhoisnotentirelysure4000

7 күн бұрын

Damn! Jingu is actually dispellable?!

@beneaththeveil

7 күн бұрын

@@hewhoisnotentirelysure4000 yeah, can't dispel the debuff counter on yourself but you can dispel the buff he gets which gives him bonus damage and lifestyle. Very big

At the risk of my current spam hero being nerfed/banned… wanted to share that shadow demon ult is essentially a better/more flexible/upgradable version of nullifier

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

That it is! It also purges Debuff Immunity which a commenter pointed out solved our issue of why we couldn't understand why Nullifier didn't dispel Repel. Demonic Cleanse pierces the Debuff Immunity, therefore purging Omniknight's Repel. We already knew that it pierces BKB, but hadn't put it together that Demonic Cleanse is the only way to dispel Repel due to the debuff immunity that's part of the spell.

@divinehatred6021

23 күн бұрын

i dont think shadow demon wins enough to be nerfed

@beneaththeveil

23 күн бұрын

@@divinehatred6021 He's seeing much more play (and winning) in the pro scene than he has the last few years. I think if anything is going to change with him it will be to Disruption.

@Doflaminguard

12 күн бұрын

​@@divinehatred6021SD was played as a save hero instead of a damage hero.

I need more of this item breakdown video. Nice one!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

More to come for sure! Make sure to stick around :)

I've been waiting for a video just like this for the last couple of years. Thank you so much!

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

You're very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it

This level of explanation and analysis truly deserves some love

@beneaththeveil

11 күн бұрын

Much appreciated! More to come for sure!

This is a great video! The hardest part of getting back into the game imo is figuring out item sense again and all the interactions between reworked items, I def want to see more videos like this!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more! As the years go by, the game seems to get more and more complicated. It's what makes the game beautiful, but we can fully understand why it makes it a nightmare for less active players

Loved your video. Very detailed and exactly what i was looking for. Subscribed :) Keep it up!!

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Dude you are amazing, I was looking for this information for so long and You helped me. Thankyou

@beneaththeveil

11 күн бұрын

Glad we could help!

this is very informative i used to think this item became useless after they removed the mute. thanks now i know how to deal with soo many buffs when i play carry.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Yeah! It's a great item! I had a game as Juggernaut last night where we were being wrecked by a mid Timbersaw. He went Wind Waker and Aghs so I was forced to go Nullifier. He wasn't too pleased when he realised I knew the counterplay and ended up going Linken's, which was a mistake because the Swift Slashes from Jugg's Scepter purge the Linkens and he stays on top of the target. We eventually won but it was a hell of a slog to get there.

I think for windrunner you should mention that at 25 windrunner gets windrun can not be dispelled as an option. as you are viewing this more from the perspective of a late game item the fact that a talent nullifies the effect is not ideal

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

There is text at the top of the screen that mentions there is a 25 talent that makes Windrun undispellable alongside the fact that the invisibility from Aghanims Scepter is not dispelled by Nullifier, only the base effect is. To be clear, Nullifier isn't an item that can only be purchased in the late game. It can be purchased at any point in the game where you already have the items and skills to kill a hero during the 5 second window the enemy is being constantly dispelled. A hero like Slardar for instance might choose to purchase a Nullifier immediately after Blink Dagger if they're confident the only thing stopping them from killing enemies after a Blink - Crush initiation is some item or spell protecting a hero that has a dispellable effect

@iutubsacs

Ай бұрын

Great observation. But bear in mind that level 25 is *not* lategame for medium MMR and above. It is more like ultra late game. Its just us low MMR plebs that get 80 percent of our games go into min 50+

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

​@@iutubsacs Yeah, lexicon around early/mid/late/ultra late game is super fluid in dota and entirely depends on the rank you're at. We try to avoid it as much as we can and refer to either in game timings or levels as much as we can. It's unavoidable at times though.

love this kind of content. Hope you can make more Item and Hero detailed guides.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

More to come for sure! Got a list of videos that we're working away on. Always taking community suggestions for sure. We make sure to read every comment :)

Amazing video, really enjoying these types of videos, great info

@beneaththeveil

25 күн бұрын

Glad you like them!

The worst part for Nullifier is that, it should have able to dispel or disable Wraith King ultimate as it mention the passive is dispellable. However we did tried using it against Wraith King, he still get reincarnated.

@beneaththeveil

8 күн бұрын

There's a misunderstanding of how Reincarnation works at play. There are actually several effects going on simultaneously. When Reincarnation triggers, Skeletons are spawned, there is also a slow applied to all enemies and then Wraith King reappears. The slow applied to enemies is dispellable, which is what the tooltip alludes to.

KZread brought me here so I'll leave some hopefully helpful feedback. 0. Firstly the video is good, the production and visuals are high quality and it shows that you have a good understanding of the game. 1. The title & video length. As someone who believes he understands how nullifier works its hard to see why an explanation would take 17 minutes which made me think I must be missing something, this is an ok expectation to create for a viewer but I don't believe the video delivered. I feel one of the reasons for this is because this video involves a lot of specific hero counter ideas that also go far beyond nullifier which is fine but not what I was expecting. 2. Padding, a lot of time is used up to create long formed full sentences for every point which are not really required for the viewer to understand the idea, for example at 4:27 it takes almost 20 seconds to say that it works on crimson guard. I understand the idea that you want to tell the viewer that there are other items but a simple mention would do. 3. Presentation, this connects to the last point in that some things can be showed to the viewer or simply mentioned and when accompanied by a good visualization it can do a good enough job to convey the message without a full description. For example incorporating a tier-list (or similar tool) for heroes and items makes it easy for the viewer to understand which of those are important, which are nice to have and which are not affected. It also it makes it easy for the viewer to check back without needing to guess the timestamp for each item/hero. The image used for the heroes does not accomplish this goal because I don't know why I should care if I'm debuffing a movement ability or a right click buff I just want to know if its a good purchase. 4. Nullifier, this should have been the focus of the video but it feels that the tips and actual unique behaviors (such as bkb) are barely mentioned. After watching the video I can tell you which items and heroes the works well against, but, I have no clue of: a. When to buy nullifier as far as build order. b. Which heroes/positioned are best suited to buy the item. c. How do I use the item in a team fight. 5. Mechanics, I really like the bit at 6:28 showing the projectile and giving the simple suggestion that you can buy a blink and use it at melee, this is a very practical suggestion that might be obvious when said out loud but the average player could have easily missed it. I would have loved to see more stuff like this, for example talking about how Nullifier applies a debuff continuously so should I always use it at the start or wait? Does the hero/items change that choice? 6. Counters, understanding how enemy heroes can counter Nullifier can help me as a player to look out for these counters and recounter them. This point is never really addressed in the video properly. Overall this is a good video but if I'm being honest I would have stopped watching at about 7:00 if I didn't end up watching as a critique so I'm hoping this can help you moving forward.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Wow, this is a really well thought out comment. Thank you for taking the time to provide a critique. It's appreciated. We're sorry you didn't feel the video delivered on the expectation you had coming in. We design these videos for new players to the game so aim to be as in-depth as possible while also trying to keep videos as brief as practical in order to respect peoples time. We had to make some concessions in this video due to length so chose to utilise the description for the full breakdown of all hero interactions and focussed on highlighting the most important use cases. In hindsight: we could have done the same with items and realistically cut the overall video length down to ten minutes. We appreciate your other suggestions regarding tier lists etc. When scripting things out, we try to keep in mind that some people can hear something and understand it immediately, while others won't understand until they see it. Especially so if English isn't their first language. Due to this, we try to keep in mind when we can say something and immediately move on and when it's relevant to pad the script out a little so there isn't dead air while a supporting video plays out. I can understand why that's a pain point for you though. As far as structure: we try to design each video so that we explain the item in isolation up front and then in the back end we go into the details about what it works against and what counterplay there is. This is because some viewers will click on the video wanting to understand the item in isolation and then leave, while others will want both how it works in isolation as well as in context. We try to satisfy everyone by structuring our videos in this manner to serve both audiences. We mention up front that due to the prohibitive cost of Nullifier it should generally be purchased by core heroes but in late game scenarios there are times where support heroes can end up purchasing it too. As mentioned up front as well it should be purchased when you can feasibly kill an enemy within the 5 second continuous dispel window where they would otherwise use a spell or item to prevent you from killing them. We thought this succinct explanation answered when in a build order you should buy it and how to use it in a teamfight, but perhaps we should have belaboured this point more and explained you should purchase it once you have the items or abilities that enable you to kill a hero within the 5 second window of the continuous dispel. Or perhaps we should have again repeated these ideas at the end of the video to remind everyone who watched until the end. The reason counters aren't really mentioned is that there aren't that many counters. It's literally just BKB which supresses the effect, Linkens which absorbs it, a disjoint through items and spells that Blink or Hide the hero (Banishments, Tusk Snowball etc.) and Anti-Mage who can reflect the projectile (despite the fact Nullifier also purges his Counterspell if he activates it after he's nullified which is a weird and fun interaction). Lotus Orb doesn't stop it but reflects it back at you too so for a hero who has purgeable effects themselves playing with a Nullifier into a Lotus Orb we felt it was important to briefly highlight too. Again, we appreciate your critique and hope you appreciate that we felt we had addressed the majority of your questions, but perhaps just didn't present it in a way you understood - which is on us. We hope you stick around and continue to provide feedback. It's always helpful to have an outside perspective and outline where we didn't deliver on the things we set out to.

new subscriber here. very nice content. even i play dota 2 since 2013, some items ng mechanics of the game i cant even understand cuz no time to try it now.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

DOTA 2 is a complicated game. We aren't surprised that those who don't nerd out about the game like we do don't know all these things. We're constantly forgetting and relearning things as the years go by. There's just so many interactions and exceptions.

tnx for ur high quality content, learned a lot 🙏

@beneaththeveil

25 күн бұрын

Happy to hear that! Be sure to stick around :)

@s.o.s4509

12 күн бұрын

Gargle for clear voice though. Content top notch. Ty.

@beneaththeveil

11 күн бұрын

@@s.o.s4509 Phil just has a naturally husky voice. It is what it is. Appreciate the intent behind the advice though

Earned a sub, please more high MMR content like this

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear! Certainly have a few things in the pipeline already

Great video! Hope more item will be feature! thank you

@beneaththeveil

22 күн бұрын

More to come for sure! Thank you :)

Idk if someone mentioned it, but PA's Deadly Focus state (from her Coup De Grace ulti), which is a buff that makes her next attack critical, can be dispelled with any dispel. Nullifier too :)

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

In our testing, the Deadly Focus buff wasn't being dispelled. We know the bonus attack speed from Phantom Strike is purgeable though, as listed in the video description.

@cjcolon507

14 күн бұрын

@@beneaththeveilit did dispel PA Ult crit, but they fixed that 2-3 patches ago so you cant dispel PA ult unless break is active on pa

thanks for the video! would have loved to dive more into all the abilities the nullifier dispels but maybe it be a very long video. Does Nullifier dispel Sven's ult?

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

You're welcome! We would have too but the video was already too long. Nullifier does not dispel his ult, only Warcry.

@Doflaminguard

12 күн бұрын

Usually, ultimate transformation type ultimates arent dispellable.

Hi, great video. What about nyx? Can nullify work against any of the hero's abilities?

@beneaththeveil

6 күн бұрын

Hey there! No, Nyx Assassin's abilities can not be dispelled in any way.

did not see if anyone commented about it, but Snapfire's Shredder is dispellable too! Works good when facing late-game physical Snapfire

@beneaththeveil

28 күн бұрын

Good catch! Sneaky spells not being listed as dispellable strike again. Well done! Will add it to the description with credit :)

There are a bunch of additional dispellable buffs that can be removed by Nullifier, although the impact from doing so varies a lot. These are: Alchemist's Berserk Potion (Shard) Ogre Magi's Fire Shield (Shard) Primal Beast's Uproar (the buff itself, not the stack counter) Slardar's Guardian Sprint Bloodseeker's Blood Mist barrier (Scepter) Clinkz' Strafe Drow Ranger's Gust movement speed bonus Gyrocopter's Rocket Barrage Phantom Lancer's Phantom Rush Sniper's Concussive Grenade self-knockback (Shard) Spectre's Dispersion active (Shard) Keeper of the Light's Recall (Shard) Lina's Laguna Blade supercharge (removes buff that provides 10/15 Fiery Soul stacks upon cast, but 7 regular stacks will still remain) Shadow Demon's Disseminate (when applied as a buff) Warlock's Upheaval attack speed bonus (talent, only when lingering outside of Upheaval's radius) Beastmaster's Primal Roar movement speed bonus Chen's Penitence (removes Chen's bonus attack range buff and attackers' attack speed buff, but attack speed buff will be reapplied when a unit with Penitence is being attacked after Nullifier's duration is over) Lone Druid's Savage Roar buff (Shard) Snapfire's Lil' Shredder Vengeful Spirit's stolen armor and damage buff (talent) Mjollnir's Static Charge

The amount of information in this video deserves a sub and a like! Thank you, dude. this is very informative for a herald like me. LOL!

@beneaththeveil

22 күн бұрын

Glad it helped! You're very welcome

Very informative clip. Good job sire!!!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Just a side note, i think the tooltip for deathseeker has the dispellable tag cuz it used to make the target ethereal, they often forget to remove these things rightaway

@beneaththeveil

29 күн бұрын

That explains it! Thought it might have been a carry over that wasn't edited out

2:15 Omni 2nd skill “Repel” does protect all positive buff from being removed from itself or if cast on ally. E.g Omni repel plus guardian angel plus ghost scepter (3buffs) if nullifier is cast on this target it retains all 3 buffs.

@theflame9

26 күн бұрын

also 13:52 repel is undispellable by nullifie, is only dispellable if its strong dispel which nullifier isnt

@beneaththeveil

26 күн бұрын

Partially correct! Repel does protect from Nullifier due to the Debuff Immunity which is part of the spell, which we had overlooked in testing due to the huge amount of testing we were doing in researching for the video. Strong Dispels however, can only currently be applied to allied heroes. We added the note about no buffs requiring a Strong Dispel to remove at the start of the video in order to future proof this video just in case Valve does to us what they did in 7.33 and drastically change a core mechanic like they did altering Magic Immunity into Debuff Immunity. What you need in order to remove Repel is a skill which pierces debuff immunity AND dispels. Three examples of this are Shadow Demon's Demonic Purge, Doom's Doom and Winter Wyvern's Winter's Curse.

thank you so much man for this information, I'm new to this game and i find it annoying to fight supports that has any items that can prevent them from dying in the last second and escaping. gonna sub to this one

@beneaththeveil

21 күн бұрын

Glad to hear we helped! Welcome aboard

10:15, nullifier significantly reduces sniper's own shard knockback (similarly to force staff), but your own knowback is unchanged since it's a debuff on you

@beneaththeveil

11 күн бұрын

Good to know! As someone who never plays Sniper but plays against him plenty I've never really become that well acquainted with the nuances of the grenade. Appreciate you letting everyone know

Question though in some effects....does the nullifier application works even after the buff activate it? Does it dispel it? Or you should null the hero before he buff themselves so that the debuff will work?

@beneaththeveil

25 күн бұрын

Yes, any dispellable effect that is active when the Nullify active is applied will instantly dispel the buff. Similarly, any dispellable buff that is activated during the Nullify active duration will also be instantly dispelled :) The only way to avoid having your buffs dispelled is by having Debuff Immunity active, absorbing the projectile with Linken's Sphere or disjointing the projectile through Blink Daggers or going invisible with Shadow Amulet, Shadow Blade and Silver Edge provided the enemy don't have True Sight applied in the area at the time

ur channel is underrated and im glad youtube algo picked this vid up

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad you think so! We've been pleasantly surprised at the reception for sure. Thank you for your kind words :)

Thank you for providing this knowledge for the community.

@beneaththeveil

21 күн бұрын

No worries! Glad people find it helpful

Nice video! Can you do one on Armlet next? 😎

@beneaththeveil

26 күн бұрын

Will put it on the list!

This information would have definitely helped me in a number of games

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear! I've certainly found myself in the same situation at times

What weather do you use in this video, looks so beautiful, nice info btw

@beneaththeveil

25 күн бұрын

It's the DOTA+ Spring terrain :)

Breath the Veil on a roll ⭐ very sick

Nice video, great detail

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you :)

Awesome content man Instant subs, thanks

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub! Welcome! Glad you're enjoying

@JovanKK

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil Can u make a video about drafting on ranked? Some tips maybe about how to learn about hero counter etc? Thanks in advance

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

@@JovanKK It's something we'll consider, but it's a very nuanced subject since the only players who typically get any sort of counter drafting in pubs is cores against the support picks and the last pick against 4 out of 5 heroes. If the drafting order changes and goes towards captain's mode it's something we'll consider, otherwise we'll probably talk about it more when we make hero specific videos and what heroes they don't want to draft into.

@JovanKK

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil Awesome, waiting for more content man, thanks!

Another important interaction - Nullifier doesnt disspell Shadow Blade. Problemm with Grimmstroke - if he have a shard and target is stunned/silenced or controled in any other way and Grim himself cant trigger use. Nullifier bassically disspells everything from that hero, which is counter intuetive and can lead to lost fight

@beneaththeveil

22 күн бұрын

Nullifier doesn't dispel Shadow Blade, correct. The invisibility on Shadow Amulet, Shadow Blade and Silver Edge is only dispelled on death (Shadow Amulet invis dispelled by moving too). If Grimstroke has shard and applies Ink Swell to a target who has the Nullify active on them: the Ink Swell instantly detonates and the target still receives a Strong Dispel. Unsure if this is what you were explaining or not :)

Thanks. It helped me decide that I should buy nullifier on my Mid Lich to get out of Guardian bracket

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Best of luck out there, soldier!

Bruh, you deserve more subs!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Thank you! We're sure they'll come with time

Amazing explanation

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

FUN TIPS: if just 1hero have ghost scepter or ghost scepter skill buy nulliffier but if the 1 player have euls, forcestaff, glimmer, aeon disk and ghospter/ skills buy BOTH nullifer and revenant

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Revenant's Brooch is another way to pierce through the Ethereal state for sure! But if you can kill a hero in the 5 second window of the Nullify active then there's no need to get Revenant's Brooch as well.

thanks for the info

@beneaththeveil

23 күн бұрын

you're welcome!

Why does the alt-description of nullifier say it pierces magic immunity (or more correct debuff immunity), yet it doesn't affect BKB'ed targets?

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

Magic Immunity was removed from the game in the 7.33 New Frontiers update and Black King Bar was reworked to provide Debuff Immunity instead, however the tooltip was not altered. It's fairly common for Valve to not update tooltips for ages and then with each major gameplay patch they go through and correct various ones. Nullifier has probably just slipped through the cracks in that regard.

if u ever see nechro in the enemy team always build nulifier i usually play pa and my build is usually bkb deso nulifier khanda basher and phase boots sceptre aswell ur crit will reach above 2k and u can one shot dagger supports if u have deadly focus as u have khanda

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Yes, we agree that Nullifier is a must buy item against Necrophos. Regardless of whether it's a good Nullifier game against any of the other heroes or their items

nice tutorial! THanks!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

You're welcome! Glad it was helpful :)

You are doing gods work, please continue

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad you think so! And doubly glad to know you enjoyed the video

Great vid, while nullifier is great to be used as a counterplay. but the current gamestate makes nullifier less desirable. this is because items such as aeon disk or euls will still gives you the dispel despite it being immediately removed by nullifier. so for example, you got hex'd and you'd get chain stun. if you have aeon disk and bkb, nullifier is practically useless since the moment you're down to 70% hp and proc nullifier, you'll be able to use bkb and get out of that chain-stun. nullifier IS the answer/ counterplay to people who doesn't respect your burst damage or doesn't buy bkb. That's why we rarely see nullifier in pro play now since heroes that are countered hard by nullifier like necrophos is not picked that often. and to counter heroes like MK's jingu, darkseer's surge. pro player usually prefers using euls/windwaker or just disengage (with bkb and whatnot) from leshrac.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

We'd definitely agree on the current game state making Nullifier a less desirable option in general. It still for sure has it's place in the right games, especially in the pub scene where things are far more chaotic and less cohesive. Your point about Nullifier's relevance in pro play is totally valid in terms of the safety of the dispel giving the opportunity to cast BKB and then back off in a co-ordinated fashion: but that's a wasted resource that then has a route for reasonable counterplay and forces the team who have the Aeon Disk and BKB on cooldown to be more passive and give more of the map away out of respect to the cooldowns which is an advantage to the team leveraging the pressure of the Nullifier. This is an incredibly interesting but also deeply faceted aspect of the game that goes swiftly over the average player's head though. It's funny you mention Eul's and Wind Waker. We're actually working on a video for those two items now. It's the natural follow up to this video as they do all the aggressive dispels Nullifier does, while giving all the defensive dispels that BKB and Manta Style etc. give. Along with the 2.5s invulnerability to disjoint projectiles like you can with Blink Daggers and straight up just avoid huge ultimates like Thundergod's Wrath or Reaper's Scythe which any other item in the game cannot guarantee but can try to save from. They're a killer set of items that are even more complex than Nullifier is. This was the natural first step to save a bunch of explaining in that one video. We appreciate you stopping by, it's clear you're a very knowledgeable player - definitely not our target audience ;)

This item was so OP when it still has the effect to mute hero, you can't use any item so combo with orchid and the one got debuff will surely dead, it even pierce linken back then too

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Yeah it was pretty nuts hahahaha. Have seen people claim the item became useless once the mute was removed and it's like... "Do you even know what it does? The mute was just a bonus" Dota is much more interesting when heroes aren't buying the same 6 items every game because those items are hideously overpowered. Much more interesting when there's completely different builds depending on your allies and enemies

I think its worth mentioning Muerta ult and OD with a scepter hp buff is non dispellable with Nullifer. I got baited into countering an OD scepter with a nullifer but clearly didnt work

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

We debated if we should talk about things that aren't dispelled but then decided it was too long even while not covering everything that is dispelled. We opted to make a comprehensive list of everything that is dispellable in the description in hopes that players would realise if it wasn't on the list that was because it wasn't dispellable.

NGL.. this item is very important to play PA, and I mostly use it, since a lot of support carrying ethereal blade, and build aeon disk. Once PA jump and cant hit, actually make us easy to die, with this item, you can easily burst down important support on the team.

I like this kind of content of yours, to guide newbies like me. On how an item work. If u dont mind, can u make some hero skills too. 🎉

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

There's a guy called Adrian who dives deep into particular hero skills and explains how they work. We've made a playlist that heavily features his videos along with some other creators explaining lots of specific mechanics of dota, whether that be a game mechanic, skill mechanic, or item mechanic. You can find the playlist here: kzread.info/head/PLH44R6CnLKaIa3FGcQwuifUw6AheM0AKG If you'd like to go check out Adrian specifically, you can find him here: www.youtube.com/@zzadrianzz Make sure to tell him we sent you :)

This is the stuff right here! Can't wait for more!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear! Hope to see you around more in the future!

@imfinishedgrinding638

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil Can't promise you that I'll comment every vid from now on but I know for sure I now have another informative dota channel to look forward to 👍 Edit: Your old stuff are solid ngl

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

@@imfinishedgrinding638 All good! We have plenty of people who happily watch each video from the shadows so you're in good company. Glad to hear you're enjoying all the information we have to offer.

Great information

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Thank you. Glad you found it helpful

This is very useful. Thanks.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! You're very welcome. Happy Gaming!

Nullifier also dispels bloodseeker's aghanism scepter shield btw! I would say it is a hard counter to BS

@beneaththeveil

25 күн бұрын

Correct! We had a viewer point it out to us last week and while we'd copped the Bloodrage being dispellable we'd completely overlooked the overheal shield. A nice piece of counterplay for sure

Do you need to lotus orb before the nullifier or after or it doesn't matter?

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

You need to have the Lotus Orb active Echo Shell up before the projectile lands on you in order to reflect it. Is that what you're asking?

@giancarlofernandini1641

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil yes thank you sir, great video

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

@@giancarlofernandini1641 You're welcome. Do be aware that though you reflect it, you're still affected by the continuous dispel. The only hero who can reflect it without being affected is Anti-Mage with Counterspell

Okay I'm subscribing, thank you for this.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Are death prophets ultimate and drain dispelled by nullifier?

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Neither are dispellable effects I'm afraid.

I love you, i needed this!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad to be of service

I love to punish Necro in nace game I never know how this itam work. Now I know thx for video👌👌👌

@beneaththeveil

23 күн бұрын

You're welcome! Nullifier is the best item to make a Necro player cry :)

I realy didnot played dota from years. I searched about Nullifier years ago, i mean before atleast 5 years 😅. Now youtube suggest me this video, Good old days🍃

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

Perhaps this is your sign from the universe to come back? ;)

if this item was a hard dispel it would probably be the most op item in the game

Great video!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching. Hope you stick around for more :)

I always buy this item whenever I see supps who are likely who buy ghost scepters, aeon Disks, and wind walkers. Or Necrophos.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Good! We need more players like you playing ranked. We see far too many games lost because cores refuse to buy this item that gives them an easy path to victory. Keep climbing!

@chaezarts

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil Lmao it's a must item. All these tryhards nowadays trying to save their cores with their force staffs and ethereal blades. Nullifier is the cure to tryhards, especially rev broach.

wait so if you nullify a target that has oracles ulti cast on him and oracle spams purifying flames isnt oracle just killing his teammate? because you lose some hp at first and then get hp regen but if you are being dispelled you will only get damaged and not healed right? edit:ok you can just kill your team i tested it lol

@beneaththeveil

29 күн бұрын

Indeed you can. Realistically he can't outright kill them due to cooldown cycles not allowing enough casts, but he can significantly harm them

Great vid

@beneaththeveil

29 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Subscribed broooo

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear! Thank you

Healing applied to a hero under false promise is immediately applied even if its spaced over time otherwise.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

You're partially correct in your understanding of the spell but mislead in the way it functions. All healing applied is delayed in the same way that damage incurred during False Promise is. Then at the end of the duration of False Promise, all incurred healing is doubled and applied first before the incurred damage is applied. If the healing buff of Purifying Flames is dispelled, it stops calculating that healing and thus Oracle ends up harming his ally. You can try it yourself in a demo lobby. Turn on free spells and have Oracle False Promise an ally immediately followed by the Nullify active from an enemy unit. Then only using Purifying Flames: spam it on a hero during the 5s window of the Nullify active and stop before it wears off as otherwise you'll be applying healing. Wait for the False Promise to expire and watch as your ally gets nuked off the back of only your Purifying Flames, which debunks your understanding of the hero. Nullifier still gives ample counterplay to Oracle's protection: there's just a guaranteed window they will live through based on the duration of False Promise itself which cannot be dispelled.

Top notch content!

@beneaththeveil

28 күн бұрын

Thank you!

Why does nullifier work for glimmer cape but not for shadow blade/silver edge?

@beneaththeveil

26 күн бұрын

Great question! Shadow Blade and Silver Edge aren't technically designed to be used as protection/defensive tools. They're actually designed to be an offensive tool to leverage an advantage and sneak up on the enemy - but poorly skilled players try to use it as a crutch for their poor positioning and utilise it as a means of escape which just means they're praying their enemies aren't competent and able to carry a gem, dust or sentry wards. When used as designed, Shadow Blade enables a hero to sneak up on the backlines and quickly deal to critical backline damage dealers or saving/healing heroes: while Silver Edge enables you to do not only that, but also sneak up on a usually tanky hero, open a fight by Breaking them to disable their passive abilities which make them absorb or heal through a lot of damage and quickly nuke down their HP. Since these two items are designed to open fights: they have a much longer duration of invisibility and are not dispellable. Glimmer Cape on the other hand: is designed to be used in a reactionary way. Valve wants players to use this item to provide a massive buff of magic resistance as well as a magic damage barrier and then also apply a short duration invisibility so that hero can break line of sight with heroes who might be trying to kill them. Since it's designed to be used as a defensive buff, it's designed to be dispelled.

oh wow hey from Christchurch! Surprised to see a fellow Kiwi here, youtube recommending good stuff!

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Kia Ora! Nice to see a few locals coming through the comments section :) Your username gave me a good laugh, being from Canterbury checks out ;)

@cowsareperfectcowlover6420

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil HAHAHAHAHA I can see why you'd think that! I'm actually a city nerd boy through and through (obviously, dota player)! Do love the moo moos though! Have a good weekend mate!

Thanks!

@beneaththeveil

23 күн бұрын

Welcome!

2:05 Not quite. Defensive dispels or dispelling negative effects on allies have basic and strong dispels. Basic Dispel for silence, DoT, Slow and the likes. Strong Dispel for stun and hex. Offensive dispel, or dispelling positive effects on enemies only comes in Basic Dispel, or Dispel by Death. Positive buffs like Ghost Sceptre, Glimmer Capes, friendly Force Staff can be dispelled by Nullifier or offensive Eul. Positive buffs like BKB, Shadow Blade are only dispelled by death. And positive buffs like Lina's Fiery Soul stacks are never dispellable, not even by death. So technically, there is no strong dispel regarding offensive dispels. There really isn't any reason for Dota devs to specify "basic dispel" for nullifier as that's the only offensive dispel.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

You've essentially said exactly what was already explained, just in a different manner while also bringing the concept of buffs being dispelled by death into the conversation. We presented it in this way and intentionally simplified it in order to make it easier for newer players to comprehend how Nullifier functions specifically, rather than how dispels work in general. While also future proofing the content of this video should mechanics change or be introduced in future, as they have changed in the past. Fully appreciate your desire for us to be technically correct in the matter though, so thank you for the comment.

I always thought that stuns need a strong dispel (such as abaddon's)

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Correct! Stuns do need a strong dispel. There are no positive buffs which stun the hero, so Nullifier doesn't remove any stuns as a result.

You can dispel repel by shadow demon ultimate

@beneaththeveil

11 күн бұрын

Yes, we had viewers point out that dispels which pierce debuff immunity will remove Repel. Winter's Curse and Doom will both remove it as well :)

Jugg + Nullifier = 🔥

@beneaththeveil

22 күн бұрын

Can be very strong for sure

You buy when enemy team buy: Euls, etheral, aeon; and vs: necro, onni and sometimes wind

@beneaththeveil

26 күн бұрын

that's the TL;DR basically

Thanks

@beneaththeveil

23 күн бұрын

You're welcome!

Great video but would be nice if you included a counter to nullifier.

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

Your only real "counters" to Nullifier are activating a BKB to suppress the effect, having Linken's absorb the projectile or disjointing the projectile with Blink, Shadow Amulet, Shadow Blade etc. otherwise you have to accept the fact you may be continuously dispelled for 5 seconds and consider what you can do to either disable the enemies during that time so they can't find value or how you can position yourself so that you are never the target of the active.

Does Nullifier also affect continuous passives like Huskar and Spectre?

@beneaththeveil

25 күн бұрын

It does not, no. In order to disable those passive abilities you need a source of Break. Currently, the only item that provides that is Silver Edge, which provides a single target Break when you attack an enemy from the provided invisibility. We'll do a video about the Break debuff at some point soon!

@marksilao6145

24 күн бұрын

Would be glad to have a video about Break effect. And also would that additionally affect after Nullifier effects if you use both?

@beneaththeveil

24 күн бұрын

@@marksilao6145 Can certainly make a video on Break! They will not have any interaction with each other. Nullifier continuously dispel any active buffs, while Break disables all passive abilities for the duration. They do two different things completely :)

@marksilao6145

15 күн бұрын

Last question: Does Nullifier also negate if the enemy receives buffs from ally? Example enemy gets Empower buff from Magnus or Ogre Magi. If it did (Nullifier effect), would it work pre-Nullifier or during the effects of Nullifier?

@beneaththeveil

15 күн бұрын

@@marksilao6145 All good! As the spell effect states: targets under the effect are CONTINUOUSLY DISPELLED for the full duration. That means if any dispellable buff was already active on the unit BEFORE the active was applied or is applied to the unit WHILE UNDER the effect, those buffs are immediately dispelled. So yes, both the Empower and Bloodlust buffs would be immediately removed. Nullifier is a continuous dispel whereas the Cyclone effect from Eul's Scepter and Wind Waker is a single-instance dispel. When using Eul's and Wind Waker you have to wait until a dispellable effect is used to be able to remove it whereas with Nullifier you can cast it before the fact to stop it from ever coming out and being effective.

4 minutes into the video im already sold on getting nullifier for second item on ursa (turbo)

@beneaththeveil

6 күн бұрын

it's a good item on Ursa in particular for sure. He's prone to being heavily kited and Nullifier shuts down a lot of those options

@KayShawn_Maybor

6 күн бұрын

@@beneaththeveil me on yesterday's game trying to chase clockwork and underlord T_T

excellent video

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Well just throw it on ursa and see if he can stack those damage up

how is this guy only has 2k subs ? he is dedicated n making my rank immortal 9999999

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

We were under 500 about 9 days ago. Everybody seems to be finding us now :) Glad you find our videos helpful!

I just tried something if omni has repel and then casts ulti you cant nullify him

@beneaththeveil

29 күн бұрын

Correct. The only way to dispel Repel are through effects that pierce Debuff Immunity and dispel the target. Shadow Demons Demonic Purge, Winter's Curse and Doom all pierced Debuff Immunity and dispel the target, removing Repel. We learned all these from the commenters, helpful community to have :)

I found nullification on necro to still not let me attack him

@beneaththeveil

27 күн бұрын

Interesting. The active only lasts for 5 seconds so if he doesn't use Ghost Shroud during that duration and then activates it once the Nullify active has ended he will still be able to enter the ethereal state. Try using Necrophos in demo mode. Activate free spells and then spawn in an enemy unit. Have them apply Nullifier to Necrophos and then spam Ghost Shroud while looking at your buffs and debuffs just above your lower HUD. Notice that while the Nullifier debuff is applied to you the Ghost Shroud buff never applies, but as soon as the debuff ends you can apply Ghost Shroud? That's how Nullifier works, it constantly debuffs the enemy unit, so you need to apply damage to Necrophos during the active 5s duration

good informative video :o

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

Does it dispel Muerta's ethereal ult?

@beneaththeveil

26 күн бұрын

Pierce The Veil can not be dispelled, no

@theaccountingmentor

3 күн бұрын

@@beneaththeveil Ok good to know.

Please tell about Dark Willow's Shadow Realm

@beneaththeveil

26 күн бұрын

We'll probably cover the mechanic of Invulnerability as a whole video itself and mention how Dark Willow's Shadow Realm differs as part of that video

I always use it on my ls and lc it is very underrated specially in breaking linkins and escape items

@BU683AR

Ай бұрын

Nope it's not underated especially when support always build or buy ghost scepter,euls and forcestaff etc.

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

It's definitely not purchased enough which is why we wanted to make a video on the item. Even against its hardest counters lots of players we see still refuse to buy it because they have no idea how it actually works and how powerful dispel effects are.

@jayrodriguez439

Ай бұрын

@@BU683AR i play on legend bracket and below which they are frequent but my cores don't even build it out of 20 games there is only 1 game i had with a nullifier core because he is pissed at necro not dying everyteam fight lol.

@jayrodriguez439

Ай бұрын

@@beneaththeveil it is always my go to item against force staff eb and ghost scepter also other escape buff like windrun and euls

@BU683AR

Ай бұрын

@@jayrodriguez439 I play on unrank match which is a range of guardian to archon and yes they do build it especially if the enemy supports becomes annoying. I think this depends on what server you play and how big of a D you wanna be if you want you or your carries to build it. Note: they don't like it if you tell them to ''build this : or do this they will have to think it for themselves.

now i will purchase nullifier

@beneaththeveil

8 күн бұрын

glad to hear!

Is this all applicable to troll aghs too

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

For sure! As it is for Shadow Demons Demonic Purge too :) We made this video as a resource to refer back to for aggressive dispels, we've got a Wind Waker video in the works so this video deals with a third of Wind Wakers value alone.

@beneaththeveil

28 күн бұрын

Just did some testing and realised that Troll cannot dispel the Cyclone of Eul's Scepter and Wind Waker since his axes do not pierce invulnerability the way Nullifier does, so while he's able to dispel most effects, he can't dispel all of them.

What annoys me now is, it doesn't effect on Enchant's Ult. But it is one of my favorite items killing the enemies winning moment, esp if they have Leshrac and Necro. Really good to fuck those two heroes.

@beneaththeveil

11 күн бұрын

Since Untouchable is a passive effect: you need to simply apply a Break to Enchantress to turn off Ench's ultimate for a small duration and then quickly kill her. Silver Edge is the only current item that allows you to do that (perhaps changing in upcoming gameplay patch?) Though Viper's Strike and Hoodwink's Sharpshooter ult both are another source of Break. There are other sources of Break through Scepter, Shard and Talents too - we'll make a full video on Break soon :)

Bro what is your CPU GPU ?

@beneaththeveil

Ай бұрын

Phil's running an i9 chip and an RTX 4070 :)