7% faster but 600% more expensive :D

@undentifiedkc

3 жыл бұрын

if it help u win the race and get the prize, the 600% increase in pricing actually bringing in profit for us average joe, any bikes is good enough

@jasonjohnson9072

3 жыл бұрын

Law of diminishing returns

@mrmrmaples

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonjohnson9072 law of increasing profits

@jasonjohnson9072

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrmrmaples not necisarily. It takes more research and higher costs to make smaller gains the further you get down the line of technological advancement. The same is true for any area of research. Bikes are no different and of course companies do’n’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts, they want to profit and why shouldn’t they? The bike manufacturing industry is flooded with great bikes, manufacturers are under constant pressure to make each model better than the last. I’d bet anything that if you put all the costs together for R&D and manufacturing that margins today are a fraction of what they were 20 or 30 years ago.

@joaoletelier8735

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrmrmaples if you are fast enough to race for any significant amount of money*

Jeff absolutely nailing the "Saturday Dad" look.

@NorCalCycling

3 жыл бұрын

👌

during the video i was wondering "what if they have the same wheels?" . Hurry this test! And thank you !

@MrMaxlo1

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! The wheels should be responsible for a larger difference than the frame.

@toxicexplorer1382

3 жыл бұрын

But after that its the difference also in cockpit, seat post, innertubes etc. If you just want to compare the frames, you might as well take it from the manufacturer's info graphs.

@flynando

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it would't be more than 2 minutes.

@derekeggiman3751

3 жыл бұрын

@@toxicexplorer1382 Yes and no. Keep in mind, real world, they are still comparing a ~$2500 to a $12000 base bike. It will be interesting to see if they can get an sl6 sport close with a bit of selective upgrade!

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

😈🥳

Having watched NorCal Cycling videos for so long with just Jeff's voiceover, it feels really weird to see his voice coming out of a person on screen.

How lovely is this setting. I love the change you throw in every now and then. You really are improving our viewing experience besides the fact that you feed us with new information. Thanks again for the videos!

@NorCalCycling

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Love it Jeff! The relaxed patio chat theme is awesome, more of this please!

Wow this is so much better than all the mainstream media bike 'tests'

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

🙌🏻thanks!

The dork disk on the SL6 is probably causing most of the difference.

@pedromarques7341

3 жыл бұрын

And the tires... How scientific is that?...

@matthewk3233

3 жыл бұрын

@@pedromarques7341 Yah my guess is the tires have the biggest impact, than wheel, than frame. Kinda look like slow good puncture proof tires on them.

@bike6747

3 жыл бұрын

Mike wouldn't let them cut it off.

@luukrutten1295

3 жыл бұрын

On the SL6: Turbo Pro, 60 TPI, folding bead, BlackBelt protection, 700x26mm. Easy 10w a tire to gain ( combined with latex innertubes )

@markrahman9320

3 жыл бұрын

I came here to make this exact comment. :-)

excellent vid. seems like a ton of work was put into it and it shows

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Such a great attention to consistency and detail across the test, and great b roll shots, can't wait for part B.

Sweet video Jeff. Entertaining, interesting, and that cinematography is epic

I remember watching this video when it first came out and I really enjoyed it. I just watched it again and want to tell you guys you did a really great job. I quit racing and riding at the end of the 2016 season. I started riding again Jan 2020, bought a 2020 Venge Jan 21. I have a 39.5 mile KOM from 2015 when I was super fit. I just rode the Segment on my Venge and was within 5 minutes of my PR with 50 watts less for the 2 hour average. I am confident that if i go hard on the Venge i will best my old PR. Thanks again the video was amazing.

waited for it! great review! respect!

Yes, but the wheels from SL7 will cost as much as a whole SL6... Right? 😏

Great content; was really excited for this video since you announced it. Looking forward to the next one!

Great vid guys thanks for that!

Excited for the next test

what a teaser at the end. YOU GUYS!!

Great video guys! Your test was definitely much more accurate and applicable to the real world compared to others I've seen.

I really liked this video and concept and look forward to your further tests! When considering a $2500 bike to a $12k bike the next question, what can you do to close that gap with some thoughtful and deliberate upgrades is a really interesting one. Wheels, Carbon aero handlebars, lighter seat; all could be easily added making a ~$4500 sl6 vs a 12k sl7. For those of us spending our own money on bikes, that price difference is still enormous!

Great video! I have an sl6 sport with zipp 404 and I love it.. wheels make a huge diff, can’t wait for the next one!

Really great production on this one boys! The quality keeps getting better and the content is top-notch!

Got to nearly the end and was confident much of the difference was due to the wheels. Specialized specs really heavy wheels on their lower end bikes, looking forward to the next video!

@TheRimBrakeGuy

Жыл бұрын

When you realize that a 12k priced bike is just fluff, you will go and find real bargains in the market that are the same speed as this one.

LOL loved the cliffhanger! can't wait

Switching the wheels!! Yes!! Great idea. Can’t wait for the next video to see how it play out. This was very informative, you guys rock. Also great outro music 👍🏻

Thank you for helping me rationalize my purchase!

Nice vid. Looking forward to the next one!

Jeff your videos kick ass, I always look forward to seeing a new one! I like Chris too, the both of you play off each other well, keep up the good work :)

the chapter timestamp is amazing, thank you for added that for us

I love your channel so much, watching your vids has inspired me to race crits here in Belgium and to start our own race with friends. Keep up the good content, I'll always be there watching it. PS : great soundtrack

Thanks! This really helps with my 2010 tarmac.... 😂 but really, I love all this content keep it up 👍

Great video. Thanks for doing this boys.

Great video! Love this type of podcast format!!!

great video thanks guys. keep them coming

Just found your channel, and love it! I’ve already watched a dozen of your videos!

Great video love your channel

I’ve been waiting for a review like this... 🙌🏽... I’m sure some are checking their credit card balances right about now... lol

*While I'm watching* "Ye but what about if you change dem rims bru"... Then the ending 😱😲. Love the sit down style filming too, looking forward to part 2!

@justinwbohner

3 жыл бұрын

Change wheels: 1 min gain Change tires: 1 min gain Change whole wheelset: equality.

wow! looking forward to the same wheel test!

Man, you 've added chapters, some transitions and drone footage. More kudos on the improving production, old bean

Great video ! Very well executed !

Awesome test, love this stuff! I'm on the verge of getting a new bike and this helps reinforce the decision to get an 'aero' bike. Thanks! 👍

Great video - fascinating stuff.

great stuff guys.. Thanks

Cool video - surprised by the result

Awesome comparison video, thanks! As much as we like to cheer for the underdog, it's a bit of hope for those of us with more affordable bikes to quantify potentially how much faster we could be riding given our existing fitness levels.

Best comparison the data and methods of testing are good enough for me😊👍

Really nice video, thank you !

Pretty stoked about the experimental design.

Awesome! Pretty astounded by the difference. That 'cheap' Tarmac is no slouch, either. Should've used the same power meter (pedals) though, ideally. If one's reading 2% high and the other one 2% low (all within spec) you already have more than half the difference accounted for. Starting with the wheels, swap component-by component to close in on where that time's lost.

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

We called that out... The SL7 was SRAM and the SL6 was Shimano... we had to make the call to just send it knowing that it could be a factor. Likewise... we did test multiple days and saw similar results. AND HR run to run was the same.

@joshuasmith4315

3 жыл бұрын

Yeahhh different power meters is a deal breaker

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuasmith4315 Yea, these guys suck. They didn't even consider that!

@MrBJPitt

3 жыл бұрын

Assioma duos ftw, perfect for this situation.

@ThePixelize

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBJPitt exactly, or even the Garmin Vectors.

Awesome content!!

holy jesus I love the new setting

WOW, this is fantastic video guys!!! IMO, it’s what really matters most in trying to decide. I’ll be buying a bike in the next year and this data really helps my decision making process. Well done.

Love your kits!! I have a SL7 (profile pic) and I am seriously loving it. No complaints at all.

i am new to youre channel, but boy you sure do have some real good content , thank you..............

Awesome video! Now I have a scientif way to justify my lack of wins, thank you guys! hahaha

I live in Morgan Hill & it’s cool to see you guys riding in my local area!

Nice intro! Really smooth.

Are we fast because of our kit? You can just hear them credit cards start to sweat.

Love vids like this, real world differences. I bet half of those differences, maybe more were wheels? Time to watch part two. Just discovered this channel and I'm loving it.

That was an excellent comparison! I've always wondered what the difference would be. I'm more of a Trek bike fan, but the test concept is perfect... And yes, I wonder about the next test with better wheels on the underdog!

Chris looks younger in videos than on pictures kinda and Jeff looks so much different on a bike than I have always imagined it:D I think it's the beard:D

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

Handsome in our own ways.. 🤣

Love your vids guys! 👍

This video kicks ass!

Great video!

Lovely presenting. Great video.

I love your videos on bikes. You always cover the important issues and never waste our time. Your thought on how much of the difference is down to the wheels was like reading my mind.

Good video, definitely need to upgrade next year!

Set up in my garage. Sure comes in handy. Works great

Nice test. There are things you could do to make the test faster and easier to do but it probably wouldn't change the results so if you guys are happy doing the test this way, go for it.

The wheels probably helped a ton too

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

did you watch till the end?

I bought a SL7 comp and then added force 1x cranks, force 10-36t cassette, zipp 303s wheels and zipp aero bars and a power mirror seat I feel that its been greatly improved and still way more bike than I need.

Great, great video. I think another super helpful video would be comparing the Pro and S Works models to see what the difference is there

I cannot wait for the next vid! :D And, I'd really like to know a bit more about the difference in feel; if only at least in key words, like 'smoother,' 'faster', and what not. Seriously.

Good job guys

Great video

Jeff with the cliffhanger - "what if you switch the wheels? .... stay tuned..."

this is such a well-written prac report

I know you guys said it's a crushing victory for the SL7 but for a casual rider like myself. Whether I finish my ride in 2 hours or 2 hours and 10 mins it doesn't bother me. These videos really help me not get caught up in the marketing bs. Can't wait for the next one.

What a fantastic cliff hangar.

Those golden wheels look 🔥

Great recap.

That green is the most beautiful green I've ever seen on a bike frame honestly.

Great vid

Great vid, right up my alley. Would be curious to see a claris bike in the test too.

Great video thank you, throughout I was thinking ‘yeah, but you’ve got to try swapping the wheels around’ so super pleased that this will be your next video! Hope you ride the S-Works with the SL6 wheels and tires as well as the SL6 with the wheels and tires from the S-Works; me thinks the SL6 with the S-Works wheels and tires will be faster than the S-Works with the wheels and tires from the SL6...

the cliffhanger is real D: why you do dis? Great Video tho, loved it and am hyped for the 2nd part ^^

Production quality just shooting up to the moon now 😩

2:19 seconds! That's stunning! Now I can blame my slowness on my ten year old bike.

I'll be damned. That is a surprising result. I did not expect that much of a difference! Maybe you could do just one more test, brand new tarmac SL7 vs early 00's steel allez. (that was a joke)

@ChrisRiekert99

3 жыл бұрын

we didn't either!

Fantastic damn video, thank you. Echoing a point made by Nate on a TrainerRoad podcast, the behavior of the athlete is worth considering. Time would be the differential in a time trail-style test. In a Classic-style race, leaving aside the shelter from other riders, it would be watts saved and thus more left in the legs.

I have to say it's really cool to see the difference in the "real world," you guys did a great job at allowing us to see through all of the marketing speak. I would love to see this same test with a slightly modded sl6 (which you are planning on doing), and I would also love to see this same test done between Specialized's two big dogs; the sl7 and the aethos... Given they are approx. the same price it would be interesting to see if the aethos' weight savings can chip away or dare I say BEAT the aero/weight blended approach of the sl7. Since we're on the topic you might as well throw a venge in there as well ;) Cheers guys, super cool vid!

@jason200912

Жыл бұрын

The venge vias aero empathis will defeat both the weight savings pinarello dogma and weight savings aero hybrid of the tarmac tok

that s-works is stunning

For me does not matter what bike, both are a dream

I have been riding the SL3 for about 7 years. Now I have irrefutable evidence that I am not getting slower with age. It is all the bike!

Having raced for 38 years I can say as you get older comfort becomes your #1 priority!

@JohnFoxBass

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I am happy to report that the SL7 absorbs road irregularities substantially better than the SL6. It is downright comfortable. And I am using an SMP Full Carbon saddle with zero padding on the SL7. I have a Selle Italia Flite on the SL6, which has some padding, but the SL7 frame is more compliant.

@hedleykerr3564

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnFoxBass Funny, I use that same exact saddle! Cheers!(Selle Italia Flite)

I agree, this was a great video. The big question I kept asking was to what degree is the delta a result of the frames vs. all the other components (e.g. groupset, seat post, etc.)

digging the mocassin talk with Jeff vibes here

Thanks, really interesting test. Especially great to see it when it's on local (for me) roads, he-he. One note: it feels a little odd when you are talking about yourselves, saying "we this" and "we that", while talking to each other. This should be said into the camera.

Great job guys! Really good video. Now what about swapping components on the Sl6? Wheels and group set, maybe everything so you just compare framesets. That would give hope to some of us weekend warriors/racers on a budget ;)