My Grandmother was raised on a farm where the men ate extra protein because they worked in the fields which was considered to be much harder than the indoor work that most women did . The men would typically eat 2 to 3 pieces of chicken or 2 to 3 times as much of whatever meat per meal than the women . My Grandmother had two brothers who died from heart attacks in their fifties .She also had two sisters who lived into their late 80s and 90s my Grandmother lived to be 103 . My Grandmother was the Queen of moderation, balance and variety. The only time she ever became overweight was when she had an affair with Vanilla Ice cream and Hersheys Chocolate sauce .The nightly bowl just kept getting larger until she decided she didn't like being overweight ,quit the affair, and lost all the weight she had gained . My Grandmother lived to be 103 .

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

Yes, yes, it must be long life due to little protein in food as you imply. LOL

@sarahgirard1405

10 ай бұрын

@@Dosadniste2000she didn’t imply anything. There is lots of information to go around. Including moderation, variety and everything.

@sarahgirard1405

10 ай бұрын

Hey Cool Roy. Thank you for sharing that with us. Inspires me to let go of that nightly treat. ❤

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

He did imply, in his first half of the comment@@sarahgirard1405

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

@@sarahgirard1405 wrote, _"she didn't imply anything."_ You need to refresh your familiarity with what the word "imply" means. In fact, coolroy's post **does** imply something. Left as an exercise for the reader :)

This is based solely on people that eat meat I suspect. As a vegetarian/vegan I really have to Try to get 60g of protein in a day, eating meat I agree will mean most people are getting enough I, however, am often not 😅

@doddsalfa

3 ай бұрын

70% of vegans get more protein than they need

I'm a 68kg male. I've never been able to reconcile two things: 1) 0.8g/kg protein recommendation means 54.4g protein per day 2) my average TDEE as a moderately active person is 1900 calories (based on weight/height/age) 54.4g protein = 217.6 calories This is 11.5% of dailly calories. But most recommendations suggest 20-25% of calories should come from protein (USDA and others). Wtf is going on

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

rda is for sedentary types.

@docbegone1716

10 ай бұрын

They are wrong! You require much less protein as Christopher stated. Big animal business wants you to consume more protein solely for the health of their money.

@gouveawell

10 ай бұрын

Your protein is either used for build up muscle OR as calories.

@docbegone1716

10 ай бұрын

​@@gouveawell Protein is used for the building, maintenance and replacement of muscles, and as Christopher stated, it is also used in every cell in your body - brain, organs, skin, enzymes, etc. When protein has been used by the body, the used protein is then shed into the bloods stream. The body then takes some of the amino acids that make up the spent protein and joins it with other amino acids to build other protein for the body. The remaining protein is then changed to fat, carbs and/or excreted from the body.

@DJEzraLive

10 ай бұрын

I've had very good luck with 0.8grams per lb bodyweight (1.76gram per kg) try doubling your protein and see how it goes :)

This is truly excellent, thanks. 👏👏

Watch the full episode here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doGryMFyp9S9iZM.html

Ive just been upping the strength and fitness training (just into my 60's) and cut down on meat - good to hear that as long as i eat food i should be good on the protein front. Ive made some fun videos to show what possible for anyone interested.

"Our greatest time of growth-thus, the time of our greatest need for protein-is during our first 2 years of life-we double in size. At this vigorous developmental stage our ideal food is human milk, which is 5% protein." - Dr. John McDougall

I've heard of 1g of protein per POUND of body weight as a recommendation for active/muscle building individuals.

I know that on an average cool day sitting and walking around my rda of water can quadruple or higher if hot and working or hiking etc. is it not possible its the same for protein?

Problem is when you eat excess calories, processed foods etc. and achieve 1.5g/kg protein, it's enough even for muscle building. But suddenly when you change your diet to unprocessed, regular meals without snacking etc., you might find that you do not spontaneously meet 1.5, but maybe just 1.0. The meeting of the 1.5 is based on an idea that we won't change our diet that makes us overweight/obese.

What happened there? We're being given the silent treatment? Where IS our protein storage?

@ggjr61

10 ай бұрын

In your fat.

@ChefJollyRoger

10 ай бұрын

The full chat is in the channel. Is supper interesting

@Bob-67

10 ай бұрын

Nowhere!!

@inescarradice7827

10 ай бұрын

You convert it to fat and excrete the rest.

I watched the full video, and as with many other videos, one important fact is missing. It is true that the human body does not store protein in the true sense of the word, storage. But as your body breaks down protein throughout the day, it does not eliminate all of the amino acids in the spent protein - it recycles a percentage of the amino acids. That's right, it takes old amino acids, joins it with newer amino acids from the resent food you ate, and makes new protein. It's called Amino Acid Recycling. This is another reason why you don't need as much protein as the "professionals" say you do. It's a classic spin doctor ploy used by big industry to have you purchase and eat more food than you need. Yes, your body uses "X" amount of protein per day, but you really only need "X - Amino Acid Recycled" amount of protein. This is another reason why Christopher is correct about not needing as much protein as others say we do.

@MyroslavDrujenko

9 ай бұрын

Why then the studies shows that 1.2-1.6g/kg body weight helps with gaining muscle strength and weight management vs control group? WHY? Are the researchers being paid by the "BIG POULTRY INDUSTRY"?

@docbegone1716

9 ай бұрын

Yes. Also, extra muscle doesn't necessarily equate to being healthy. There are and have been many many muscle bound bodybuilders and athletes who have become very sick and/or died at very early ages due to the strain of all that extra protein and muscle. The body is naturally supposed to have within a certain range a certain amount of muscle for a long and healthy life - any more or less and your quality of life diminishes.( for example, high levels of protein puts huge stress loads on the kidneys - ask any doctor (even a sports doctor).) Those large body builders and athletes pay a huge price for consuming all that protein - too much protein shortens ones life and lowers the quality of living. Take the great Arnold for example, he's had three operations on his heart. Eating high levels of protein equates to "burning out" instead of slowly fading away. And as for big business, it will sell you anything - your health is the least of their concern. All they care about is the almighty dollar. If you want to grow muscle the fastest, eat huge amounts of protein and yes it will absolutely work but are you willing to pay the price to turn yourself into something that mother nature never intended. I know what I'm talking about. Many years ago I was an amateur bodybuilder. I looked great on the outside, but I discovered many years later that I was not so great on the inside. I contacting one the prevalent diseases - it was horrible, but I changed my ways, looked into the science and 10 years later I feel better than I ever felt. I still workout, jog, bicycle, work at construction and I am 62 years old. But to look at me now, you'd never say that I am as strong as I actually am because I don't have those big muscles, but the muscle I have is extremely strong. I get all of my food (and protein) from whole plant based foods, and every time I work out I'm stronger. I do it for health now and not vanity.

@barmalini

8 ай бұрын

@@MyroslavDrujenko those studies rarely look into the damage caused to your heart and kidneys by the excess protein either

@brettmasonmedia

8 ай бұрын

There isn’t one single study that shows any negative effect on the heart or kidneys of healthy people. If someone already has kidney disease then yes, it’s a consideration. Otherwise you simply can not eat too much protein. You would throw up from trying. I mean real protein that you have to eat. Like steak. Not stupid protein shakes.

Dear Dr. Gardner. I made a video regarding the scrabble analogy you use. I propose there might be a flaw in that judgement. I would be honor to have your opinion on it

@myrealretirementadventures

10 ай бұрын

is scramble and anagram of😬 scrabble??

@ChefJollyRoger

10 ай бұрын

@@myrealretirementadventures thank you for the correction

OK, our first cliffhanger… I am waiting… Thank you for the videos… Still waiting…

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

In the description area below the video, it says "Watch the full video here" followed by a link to the full video. It's not a cliffhanger; it's a trailer :) Enjoy!

@usuallyscott7907

9 ай бұрын

@@RichardHarlos well, that explains it… Thank you. I’m a blind guy and I don’t always look at the description. I will now! Take care…

bourbon biscuits -- 0.7g protein each

@rossmurray6849

10 ай бұрын

The basic recommendation is 0.8g protein per Kg of weight. I'm not going to eat over 60 per day of anything with "biscuits" in its name!

@normanbell-br7nf

10 ай бұрын

@@rossmurray6849 my six-pack is in the shape of bourbon biscuits !

@moog5260

10 ай бұрын

lol

Peter Attia, in his new book “Outlive”, advocates substantially protein intake especially for seniors. It sound like you are saying he’s not correct.

@Edward-mh7bw

10 ай бұрын

In the full podcast, he touched about this topic. When the elderly don't eat enough due to appetite/etcs. The distribution of protein is important. kzread.info/dash/bejne/doGryMFyp9S9iZM.html

@evienutrition1138

8 ай бұрын

Love his podcasts - didn’t know about his book! Thanks for the heads up on this

It's a bad assumption to think people are eating protein only to build muscle. I think most try to consume a lot of protein because of how poor of a fuel it is. It's very calorie poor. Most people are constantly hungry, but since they don't expend many calories procuring food they need to find strategies to satiate hunger without eating too many calories. Eating a high protein diet is a reasonable strategy.

I only watched this because the length suggested it would be concise. But no, it's the usual ramble and then just stops. Not impressed.

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

Learn to think for yourself... check the description area for a link to the full video... watch the full video for the answer. It's almost unbelievable how many people are unable to use this simple rule of thumb to see whether there's more to be watched, and instead choose to leave videos about 'no answers' and 'cliffhanger'. When you thing it's too much trouble to click or swipe a couple times for an answer... something is very, very wrong with you. This is akin to a movie trailer. It's here to whet your appetite so that you'll go watch the longer video.

I think I would trust Don Layman's views on protein rather than this guy.

@deepost2604

9 ай бұрын

At age 81, I’m inclined to agree with Lyman about my protein needs. In March with a knee injury, my active minutes on my Fitbit was 9 minutes rather than the 200+ minutes I usually log. Did I loose muscle while sedentary? Most likely. During March someone had to help me out of a folding chair because I couldn’t compensate with my arms. Keeping muscle is CRITICAL to my quality of life.

I think maybe in the kidneys to release what is not needed.

Just watched this immediately following a two hour KZread by Peter Attia with Don Layman. And both videos have a lot of contradictions. Disappointed in the Zoe one as it seems to try to sensationalise some of the points. Don Layman delivers in what appears to be a very factually evidence based approach. While there are some agreed points, I feel this Zoe video misses the point and an opportunity to remain fact based. It lost it’s way. Rather than focus on how much protein and why, it appears to go down the rabbit hole of reviewing the over all caloric requirements. To suggest people eat too much protein because they eat too much food is perhaps often correct. However, they didn’t bring it back to protein requirements and why. Don Layman is far more explanatory in this area. Well worth a watch.

Christopher Gardener says it truthfully - there’s no vested interest and he’s accurate in that excess protein adds to your carbohydrate and body fat stores and it’s also partially peed out with urine. 👍

@danthovict381

6 ай бұрын

Well if someone doing nothing but sit or sleep everytime. Then keep eating those carbs and fats.

@rixon2000

6 ай бұрын

But Chris does have a vested interest in reducing the carbon footprint. Which may in his view counter the ideal healthy diets of humans. I’m just stating it from his interviews. I don’t know of any financial interests though.

@Noegzit

2 ай бұрын

No vested interests? Are you kidding??? He's paid by Beyond Meat and Big Food!!! ROFL!!!!! Everything he says is biased by his conflicts of interests and his personal beliefs (He's a vegan and, as many vegans, try to convert other people to his religion). These RDA of 0.8g of protein per kg are almost criminal, just the strict maintenance for a young adult who is certainly not thriving anyway. For an elderly it's sarcopenia and hip fracture almost assured. Practically every scientist specialized in sports nutrition and longevity will say 0.8g isn't enough. And it's even worse if these 0.8g come from plant proteins with ridiculously low DIAAS scores as you may need to eat almost 3 times more wheat protein than beef protein. Say otherwise if all your proteins giving you your 0.8g per kg of body weight come from wheat it's a bit like if you had 0.3g of beef protein (DIAAS for wheat can be as low as 0.4, DIAAS for beef protein is 1.11).

Isn't it time to question that 0,8 per kg, since EVERYONE spontaneously eats more?

@inescarradice7827

10 ай бұрын

And spontaneously puts weight on?

@MmartinL

10 ай бұрын

Why question the required minimum if people eat more? Do you think everyone is american and eats twice the requirement?

@MmartinL

10 ай бұрын

@@Dosadniste2000 Because it is enough to be healthy. Why would you set a higher bar if you don't need to and possibly scare people of eating too little protein? Yeah, if you fall for every food fad, then maybe you deserve to be scared. The food guidelines didn't change much, it is the media that scares people. I am happy with eating beans and other pulses, thank you.

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

@@MmartinL Let me get you back to the point. If all humans (not only Americans) consistently eat the same number of protein without trying, that implies to anyone with human IQ that that's how mother nature intended it to be and that calculations form the 60s need to get a second look.

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

@@inescarradice7827 Where did you get this idea that 40 grams of protein makes you put on weight?

This video is edited from one they released 3 months back.

I input all my food intake into myfitnesspal and I can assure you that from that data I under eat. I am trying to eat 2300 per day and rarely get to that number. So this "everyone overeats and under estimates"is just bullshit.

This quite crafty (or a mistake?). 🤔 This is an extract from the middle of a podcast of 3 months ago. You can find the link under it. Jonathan, have you gone on holiday? Not good enough 😂.

@lucillasallabank

10 ай бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. Zoe is clearly on the anti-protein crusade.

@Wee162

4 ай бұрын

@@lucillasallabankMaybe it’s on a pro-science crusade, not an anti-protein crusade

I am not sure about the scientific truth of this, but I read where animal protein and vegetable protein are vastly different in the amount needed to encourage muscle protein synthesis. So maybe it is a bit more than what is hinted at here. Especially from a Professor Donald Layman, something about the amount of leucine. Professor Donald Layman says you could double the recommended RDA, even up 2grams per kg, especially for older people who don't metabolise protein as well as we age. Just my google search.

There's a part missing, right?

@inescarradice7827

10 ай бұрын

Go to the link below. This the middle bit of that.

Dude never tried to gain muscle. Its not that easy I can tell you.

Well, what's the answer?! 😂

@wojtek1582

10 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/doGryMFyp9S9iZM.html here is the answer from the same podcast

@christine460

10 ай бұрын

It's none. There is no place to store excess protein, so what happens is the nitrogen is removed from the protein and it's converted into carbs and fat. This is what he says in the full video three months ago called myths about protein on this channel. Hope that helps 😊

@twelvesmylimit

10 ай бұрын

@@christine460 It does. Thank you!

@gabardjean-paul3779

10 ай бұрын

@@christine460 some of proteins are peeed out ?

@moog5260

10 ай бұрын

3

Nobody that I know is eating too much protein if anyting everyone's eating too much carbs Right now protein is a most expensive macro food to purchase Carbs and fats are cheaper But I have found benefits with in my own body increasing my protein intake after many years of being under protein intake

@rofflecopterness

10 ай бұрын

Whole food fats are not cheaper. Only the deep friend junk.

@daysoftheboo

10 ай бұрын

@@rofflecopterness yeah that's what I meant the low-quality crap is cheaper but even low-quality fat is still cheaper than low quality protein

I am satisfied that that I'm getting more than my minimum protein requirement. But you didn't answer what happens to the extra protein I'm getting without even trying. Are there long-term dangers from making the body eliminate all of the excess Nitrogen we get in the excess protein most of us routinely eat?

@Bob-67

10 ай бұрын

He explains this in the full length discussion this is taken from. It's a fascinating subject.

@rossmurray6849

10 ай бұрын

@@Bob-67 Thanks. You mean the video titled 'Everything You Thought You Knew About Protein Is Wrong'. Which is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doGryMFyp9S9iZM.html In the chapter beginning at 23:39. The answer is that the body cannot store protein. Anything that isn't used immediately gets converted into carbs or fats which the body can store. That means the excess Nitrogen must be eliminated by the kidneys but that's rarely a problem for those with healthy kidneys.

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

@@rossmurray6849 he says just like anything else, your excess of protein ON CONDITION YOU'RE IN CALORIC SUFFICITE will end up as fats.

Very interesting Interview but why there is a recommendation of 1.6 gram/kg bodyweight of protein for bodybuilders by Schoenfeld?

@rossmurray6849

10 ай бұрын

Why? Some 'experts' are idiots, is my guess.

@ralphbuschmann740

10 ай бұрын

@@rossmurray6849 Brad Schoenfeld is a very respected expert on this topic and succesful bodybuilders are eating even more Protein than that - so, I still would like to know Christophers opinion on that …

@rossmurray6849

10 ай бұрын

@@ralphbuschmann740 Okay. I was being facetious with my idiot comment, but I think Christopher explained that 0.8g/Kg is more than enough for every adult, and only another 10g/day is enough to add 10Kg of extra muscle in a year. That works out, I think, to 0.9g/Kg is more than enough for a 100Kg bodybuilder to gain another 10Kg in a year. What I want to know is whether all of the extra protein almost all of us eat is problematic in any way.

@ralphbuschmann740

10 ай бұрын

@@rossmurray6849 if you have healthy kidneys up to 3g will do no harm as long as you eat good food.

@dudea3378

10 ай бұрын

Bodybuilders today have big fat guts and are in horrible health. The golden age of bodybuilding is long gone.

I believe that protein is a component of our diet that is harder to come by than carbs. Our ancestors had to hunt to get protein. That's hard work so they had to be driven to do it. It is therefore built into all of us the craving for protein particularly superior quality animal protein.

This interview confused me I did hear you dio need one pound per body weight to build muscle

@rossmurray6849

10 ай бұрын

These are long video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doGryMFyp9S9iZM.html The short answer is pregnant women, growing children, and extreme athletes might need 1.0 to 1.1g per Kg but any ordinary diet will have much more than that anyway.

Notice the only people saying “ eat more protein “ are those selling it …….

When two standard deviations is used to classify the `normal` needed amount, I can totally understand why the public get confused. Why don't stupid scientists display the average RDA to explain the normal needed amount?

Yeah, how much to eat to be perfect like you hey

I think communicators should pay attention to being concise, it's more didactic.

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

"Make everything _as simple as possible,_ but **not simpler."** Concise reflects a time focus. I think it's more useful to focus on completeness of information and nuanced understanding. This is rarely conveyed when something is [over]simplified for the sake of time.

A lot of asinine points. No mention of protein quality like animal vs plant. RDA is fine for sedentary people, goes up dramatically with exercise. Try to put on 20 pounds with an additional 20 grams a day

don't trust him. Go for 1.6g/kg while restrict calories for healthy individual. Maintaining muscle mass the greatest factor for your health.

It's very hard to overeat protein for weight gain. You can over eat fat or carbohydrates and gain weight, but not protein.

@MatthewSmith-pv6gd

10 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@Dosadniste2000

10 ай бұрын

whats so funny?@@MatthewSmith-pv6gd

Cliff hanger... where is our protein storage? ... Um... is it in our bowels?? Is that why someone might get constipation from protein? Be good to know the answer... Zoe- is an answer coming?

@christine460

10 ай бұрын

I found the answer. It's none. There is no place to store excess protein, so what happens is the nitrogen is removed from the protein and it's converted into carbs and fat.

@christine460

10 ай бұрын

I personally find that the benefit of protein shakes and bars are that they help suppress my appetite because I don't feel hungry esp after I exercise which would cause me to eat like a ravenous wolf! Also I have a sweet tooth so if I can get 20g protein in a 'chocolate bar' it's slightly better than gorging on a whole bar of cadburys chocolate or making myself eat a hunk of chicken when I don't fancy it.

@lindakautzman7388

10 ай бұрын

​@christine460 thank you..that makes perfect sense

@rossmurray6849

10 ай бұрын

@@christine460 I understand your point that calories from protein are more satisfying, for longer, than carbs and especially sugars. Dietary fibre and fats can achieve that too (avoiding saturated fats because of what they do to your cholesterol levels). I have started using chia seeds with soy milk to make desserts which are high in protein, unsat fat, and fibre. Add whatever sweeteners you like. Seriously, 250 calories is enough for very satisfying meal.

The calculation for extra muscle is utter garbage. Do your research. Look up Doctor Layne Norton, Peter Attia etc

It is quite sad and rather interesting that body building doesn't equal longevity. Too much protein maybe?

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

Fitness, done right, equals longevity. Body-building is an extreme, and anytime you find people engaged in extremes, there are a lot of corners being cut (I'm implying steroid use). Many of the body-builders who die young seem to do so, at least in part, because of steroid use. One person who seems dialed-in to the truth about fitness and longevity is Dr. Peter Attia. If you haven't heard him speak about the subject, I highly recommend him.

Can you please interview other scientists who have a different point of view? Why are you so biased?

@danthovict381

6 ай бұрын

Ikr, journal in pubmed which already at meta-analysis level said 180° direction from this dude saying.

We have no protein storage, excess amino acids are deaminated by the liver to urea. Less protein is used for tissue production as we get older. We don’t store it. I am so fed up of all this talk about biology which has been well established for centuries. Just eat a balanced diet!

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

kath wrote, _"I am so fed up of all this talk about biology which has been well established for centuries. Just eat a balanced diet!"_ That's a gross over-generalization. Our understanding of biology today differs significantly from what it was 200 years ago, primarily due to groundbreaking discoveries and advancements in scientific methodology. Here are some key differences: 1. *Theory of Evolution:* The work of Charles Darwin and the theory of evolution, as outlined in his book "On the Origin of Species" in the mid-19th century, revolutionized biology. This theory explains how species evolve over time through natural selection, a concept not present in early biological thought. 2. *Genetics:* Gregor Mendel's experiments with pea plants laid the foundation for the science of genetics. Our understanding of heredity, DNA, and the genetic code has expanded significantly since then. 3. *Microbiology:* The discovery of microorganisms and their role in disease, as well as the development of antibiotics, has transformed our understanding of infectious diseases and their treatment. 4. *Cell Theory:* The cell theory, which states that all living organisms are composed of cells, was formulated in the mid-19th century. Today, we have a much deeper understanding of cell structure and function, including molecular and cellular biology. 5. *Technological Advancements:* Modern biology benefits from advanced technologies such as DNA sequencing, CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing, and powerful imaging techniques that allow us to explore the biological world at levels unimaginable in the past. 6. *Environmental Awareness:* Our understanding of the impact of biology on the environment and vice versa has grown significantly. This knowledge has fueled the environmental movement and conservation efforts. In summary, our understanding of biology has evolved over the past two centuries due to landmark discoveries, advancements in technology, and a deeper exploration of the molecular and cellular aspects of life. These developments have fundamentally changed the way we perceive and study biology today.

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50 grams for women. I know nothing about metrics...

Too technical. Not sure what has been communicated to the public

who left the door of the cave open again 😔

Cliffhanger....😂

@RichardHarlos

9 ай бұрын

Not cliffhanger; trailer. I can't believe how many people don't have the intelligence to look for a pinned comment, and in the description area below the video, to see whether there's a link to the full video (there is).

The RDA is the minimum amount to not suffer sickness or disease from deficiency. It’s by no means the optimum amount. So I continue to be amazed at “experts” who continue to use the RDA as the amount people should eat. The RDA is actually the minimum daily recommended allowance. So it’s a bad acronym to use RDA. It should be MRDA.

Oh not again please! 🤦‍♀️

A lot less than you eat now.

Please do not use abbreviations such as EAR or RDA. I have no idea what you are talking about. Bad practice to use such abbreviations