I'm sure Geoff's map and Oyster will be displayed in a museum

@GreatSageSunWukong

4 жыл бұрын

Avery the Cuban-American Guinness book of records for most money\miles on a oyster card

@SportyMabamba

4 жыл бұрын

I will ask the LTM people

@thephoenix3155

4 жыл бұрын

In years to come!

@xeroxquantum

4 жыл бұрын

Everywhere.

@Sophiebryson510

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my

In making my spreadsheet for this I found something interesting. 3 Tube Lines (Hammersmith and City, Waterloo and City and Circle Line) have no stations on them that are solely on one line, all the stations are shared between 2 or more lines. When all this is over and we can all go outside, idk if you would find this interesting but maybe try and go to all of the stations on one of those lines (e.g. Hammersmith to Barking) but never catching a Hammersmith train. See how few interchanges you can do or time trial it. I'm not a native Londoner (hello from Melbourne) so idk if this is old news but I found the fact at 3/11 Tube lines have no unique stations. Happy isolation Geoff and everyone. Stay safe :)

Great stay-at-home video Geoff. Harrow-on-the-Hill and stations north to Amersham (not Moor Park) obv have Chiltern Railways trains and at the same platforms too, but not shown on ‘Tube’ map. Yet another anomaly when defining nodes!

@NaysonRatcliffe

4 жыл бұрын

Weirdly on my printed Tube Map (Dec 2019) the National Rail double arrows are shown at Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Harrow on the Hill on the Met and West Ruislip and South Ruislip on the Central Line where Chiltern services stop. The linked PDF shows this too.

@EdCoolBoy

4 жыл бұрын

I’m sure the national rail symbol has always been on the tube map for those stations

@MPsNewswatch

4 жыл бұрын

I think the NR symbol is only added where there's an interchange at shared NR/TfL stations. So you see the NR symbol on the map for example at New Cross Gate, Sydenham, Norwood Junction and West Croydon, but not at intermediate stations on the ELL where it shares with Southern (and Thameslink at NWJ).

God I love it when Geoff gets in full geek mode! It's GENUINELY inspiring! I'm off to crunch some numbers of my own now...

This is sanity decreasing during lockdown.

@joermnyc

4 жыл бұрын

Mr. Backpack Geoff definitely has been stuck at home away from trains for a little too long... next he will buy a large amount of model trains and try to replicate the National Rail network in his basement.

@Da555nnyTRANSIT

4 жыл бұрын

@@joermnyc all the stations 3: model railways edition

Underground, overground, Geoff not free. So he made a video of for you and for me. Making good use of the tube maps we find Things that the everyday folks just maligned

@Peter-nv3wu

4 жыл бұрын

Underground, overground, sounds like something from the Wombles !

@bensonwr

4 жыл бұрын

@@Peter-nv3wu that was my attempt 😁👍

@saraclayton-smithson5083

2 жыл бұрын

And yes I actually sang it as I read it 🤣🤣

Nice Harry Beck test card. I'd say a tube station that connects with another mode is still a tube station for the purpose.

Great you're still making videos. I'm still getting trains to work, as I work on the trains. Although I've got next week off because we have a blockade at Guildford for pre-arranged engineering works. Keep up the great work :D

@heleneg525

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your hard work, Warren. I'm home in the states and have watched several lengthy KZread series on the London Underground. I never realized how many staff it takes to run, manage and maintain this massive transportation system. I was so impressed that I wrote to Tube management (and actually got a very nice reply). Stay safe and healthy.

Hiya Geoff, I know you will probably never see this comment, but I want to let you know that me and family love watching your fascinating train videos. Ever since I started to get the train often for my daily commute, My interest in the railways really sparked. I am hoping to go and visit Corrour soon, (When we can travel!) and maybe even visit some other strange stations! Honestly, the railways are my strong interest, and I am going to be having my own mini desktop departure board soon, and I am obviously going to put the data for Corrour on it of course! Random Train Fanatic ;)

@user-ux9ok6fv2w

4 жыл бұрын

@@geofftech2 OMG Thank you so much! I hope so too xD

@2H80vids

4 жыл бұрын

Using Corrour for your departure board; it won't change very often.😁

Could you do a video talking about how many underground stations are actually underground? which stations are at ground level and which ones are elevated?

@Eddyspeeder

4 жыл бұрын

I second that! Reading the video title, I understood "how much of the tube map is actually [connected to a] tube?" I.e., how many of those stations connect to an underground tunnel (a tube) on at least one side?

Thank you for keeping us entertained during these dark times, Geoff - you're the best!!

Geoff really needs a sponsorship from sharpie

Keep up the good work Geoff...it really does feel like a bit of normality!

@6yjjk

4 жыл бұрын

For certain values of "normal" ;)

@llwyde1104

4 жыл бұрын

@@6yjjk yup ..amongst my normals is a calm, relaxing wander around London finding labyrinths and the like. This gives me some of the 'fix'. Stay well...

In the current climate you should be doing 'Most Used Station'...

@clemensschlage2243

4 жыл бұрын

I'm literally laughing my arse off😂😂😂😂

@DenkyManner

4 жыл бұрын

That's actually a good idea! A video about what exactly is happening with the tube right now would be great.

A few years ago, there were four Cable Car Stops, but now two of them are television towers...😅

@Eliteerin

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it's only ever been two

@TheDaern

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eliteerin No, definitely 4 originally. You should watch Geoff's authoritative video on the subject. I believe it's now become the reference guide for history of the cable car system.

@leomai1964

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDaern That was an April Fools Joke. There has always been 2

@TheDaern

4 жыл бұрын

@@leomai1964 Wooosh!

@leomai1964

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDaern Wow ok, you got me there. Wasn't very obvious innit

I don't even live in the UK, but I watch your videos anyway so that I can just dream of ever having trains as good as yours in the US. You guys seriously don't know how good you have it

I really enjoy all of your videos. Thank you for all that you do.

6:29 we need to extend the trams to Stratford to complete the set!

Great idea Geoff. We need something to do while we are in lockdown

I was doing a similar counting project but for Tokyo. The major thing going on for Tokyo is that you could have stations named differently but technically connected to one another just as an interchange would (e.g. Shin-Okachimachi - Awajicho - Ogawamachi), and then you have stations which have the same name but are spread out quite far from one another (Shinjuku). Asakusa exists as two different station-groups -- a lone station for the Tsukuba Express, and the more familiar interchange between the Ginza, Isesaki and Asakusa Lines. The Arakawa (tram) line has stations which are basically interchanges with rail lines but have different names. For those who enjoyed counting the stations on the Tube, I would encourage you to also give this a go: come up with a definition for a station, and see how many stations are in Tokyo's 23 Wards.

I'm too busy to do this. I haven't finished counting the ships' sails on my pirate wallpaper.

@jamesneilsongrahamloveinth1301

4 жыл бұрын

Very witty (and pertinent) comment . . .

Good man. We're all in lockdown but you still produce a video for us. Much respect :)

New game, take a drink every time Geoff says tube. Closest to 59 wins a liver transplant.

Geoff, hope you and your relatives are fine. Stay at home to beat this situation. Stay strong from Spain!

@SzWorld1281

4 жыл бұрын

Hello love the videos geof

Well done. Given the limitations of social distancing, you show some creativity in coming up with s programme that informs and entertains. Looking forward to the next show. Keep healthy and keep safe.

A fact that I, a foreigner who's never visited London or Britain for that matter, and saw one physical copy of the map in question live, absolutely needed in my life.

I know that you stated that you were just looking at the lines shown on the Tube Map but several of the stations on the line to Amersham also have National Rail services either on parallel platforms or even running on the same tracks so those are not pure Tube stations.

@ravivekaria5717

4 жыл бұрын

I need to know if Geoff includes these!

@jasonfisher9640

4 жыл бұрын

Tfl own the tracks on the met line Amersham branch and collect the revenue, so I guess they are tube stations.

@robertgriffith8857

4 жыл бұрын

@@OneKnifeYeHand That's not what he said though! He said the Met stations at Amersham etc were served only by TFL - not true.

TFL map shows you can connect with NR at Amersham and Chalfont & Latimer but not Chorleywood or Rickmansworth. I think this is a relic from when Chesham services weren't direct and find it quite annoying.

Geoff, you are charismatic man. I definitely love you!

Dang, this is a very interesting question, Geoff.

I love your show, Geoff. I just hits me in all the right places. Dude who loves trains, and trains.

Thank you for continuing to post interesting content. Say Safe.

What I want to know is - what percentage of "All The Stations" have bin bags blowing in the wind?

@heleneg525

4 жыл бұрын

The answer is blowing in the wind.

@jamesneilsongrahamloveinth1301

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Mann, Delightful comment, worthy of your namesake . . .

To all non Londoners out there: Try finding the "Emirates Airlines Cable Car". I have no Idea where it is, and as of writing this comment, I haven't found it on the map. It's like a where's Waldo. Update: I found it almost immediately after writing the comment.

@RoamingAdhocrat

4 жыл бұрын

Thoroughly recommend the "Secrets of the Cable Car" video. (Maybe funnier if you lived in London though)

@nemianyamele2265

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoamingAdhocrat to this day i can't believe i fell for it

@a.z9086

4 жыл бұрын

It goes from Woolwich Arsenal to some DLR Station. COYG

I can't believe that somebody does things like this.....and I can't believe that I liked it.....

Why not call it "TFL Network Map"?

@josephpak4277

4 жыл бұрын

Totally! Many other Metro systems use that. This comment is so underrated. Needs more likes.

@teags3474

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephpak4277 Yup, I'm from near Sydney, Australia and that's what Sydney Trains calls their map.

@johnm2012

4 жыл бұрын

Objection! If you called it that you'd have to include bus routes.

@heleneg525

4 жыл бұрын

In the Washington, D.C. area, it's called the Metro Map.

@swire6984

2 жыл бұрын

@@teags3474 TFL Network Map?

In Stockholm we have a rail map which includes the tube, the trams, the commuter trains and other rail services like narrow tack rail network (rosalgsbanan) and normal track train (saltsjöbanan) which drives modified tube trains with a cable in the air.

This is what we needed during the coronavirus!

I'm far more concerned about the circle not being a circle any more.

..uh, pleased for you. Scratch that itch. Your enthusiasm pulls me along. Choo, choo. I lost my brain on the train.

I love the obsessiveness. Now you have me wanting to make a spreadsheet for tube/non-tube stations visited.

Love these videos!!!

This encouraged me to Pause, Purely. Subbed.

Thanks for the video. I had been collecting the "tube map" of my place which was called the station information leaflet for 14 years, I joined an exchange program in 2015 where I was away from home and could not get the SILs in that year. I got the tube maps instead!

236. Why one more? Because you have forgotten my secret, private tube station on the Victoria line.

Having only just come across this video (and not having done the calculation) the opening of the Elizabeth line and its inclusion on the map must have increased the non-tube only nodes by a few.

If it drops below 50% it’s still a Tube map for the same reason a vacuum cleaner is a Hoover or a tissue is a Kleenex. The Tube has become a generic term for rail travel in and around a city.

Depends whether you count the Heathrow stations as being both Tube and TFL Rail. I got: Tube 235, Tram 38, D 41, Overground 87, TFL Rail 28, River Piers 13, Cable Car 2, Tube/TFL Rail 3, Tube/Tram 1, Tube/OG 25, Tube/DLR 4, TFL/OG 1, Tube/TFL/OG 1, Tube/OG/DLR/TFL 1. Total 480.

Thanks for uploading this, helping me to fend off my transit withdrawls.

I have to admit, I was expecting a comparison of parts of the network dug with a TBM vs cut-and-cover sections and bits on top of the ground.

Well done you Geoff. I admire your enthusiasm. Did you ever wondered how are the repair works done around the line?

I was totally expecting you to mark on the map where the tunnels turned to open air track, and calculating in percentage how much of the map was in the ground and how much was on top of it. But this is also a solid way of self-entertainment :)

@ELRMushroom

4 жыл бұрын

content.tfl.gov.uk/tube-map-with-tunnels.pdf

you should do a video on Wimbledon. As someone who lives in Kingston, I’ve used Wimbledon a few times, and the station still baffles me in terms of how you’re meant to touch in/out and change on oyster. Oysterrail website explained it, but it could be a good video too.

With the Northern Line extension there will be 237/474 "pure" Tube stations on the Map, exactly 50%. However, opening of TfL Rail will add 2 to the total station count (Abbey Wood and Woolwich) and decrease the number of "pure" tube stations by three (Moorgate, Tottenham Court Road, Bond Street) to reach a new total of to re are 234/476. The total of all Tube stations (including intermodal interchanges) will then be 272/476. To get that total below 50% would require adding a further 78 stations.

@siyuanhuo7301

8 ай бұрын

I would count Moorgate to still be a pure tube station as it's similar to Bank/Monument but Farringdon is the one changing to tube + Elizabeth line

@siyuanhuo7301

8 ай бұрын

Oh, and don't forget Barking Riverside

I'll just take your word for it as it has been many yrs since I've been on the Underground - I know live in Derbyshire!!!

If only politicians were this observant and cared

Hello Geoff. My six year old son has asked “how many trains are there on earth?” Do you know if anyone has worked this out?

Actually did have fun doing this :) strangely satisfying even though I must have missed a couple (got 231/466). Thanks for the challenge Geoff!

I agree with thameslink being added to the map, before watching your videos Geoff i had no idea thameslink did a service through zone 1!

Great video mate 😊

What's more upsetting, folks: Geoff Marshall's keyboard, or Jay Foreman's monitor?

@Eliteerin

4 жыл бұрын

It's a brilliant keyboard tbf

@RoamingAdhocrat

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eliteerin are we looking at the same one

So nerdy...loving it!

Geoff you could have also done a total length percentage by adding up the lengths of tube lines and dividing by the lengths of the other lines.

@Geoff I think Matt Parker would have loved to join in on the mathematical aspect of this video

Interesting to see only exactly 10% (27 of the 270) Tube stations have links with Overgrounds. Makes me wonder how I ever got into the tube system at all from the multitude of times I've used it.

Thanks Geoff, I enjoyed that, oh my figures were a Country mile out but I did try.

Something else for the mix - Golders Green is a pure Tube station but it has a National Express Coach stop and a major bus terminus. However, nowhere to meet travellers in a car except a short stretch of double telly lines, which is really stupid.

You should do this but with the 11 different lines

Ealing Broadway is on the GWR main line. Between Kilburn Park and Harrow and Wealdstone is shared between the West Coast Mainline.

I am learning about graphical databases and this is a great exercise for using the node and connections methods LOL

Hope you and your family are well! And also does say Finchley Road count because it sort of connects up with the overground?

I was supposed to come to London and ride the tube for the first time this May. (2020). Well, hopefully ill be there next year!

I initially made it 233 Tube. Alas, the map has always been a Cartography challenge, particularly in last quarter Century. Challenging balance between sufficient information vs clutter & unworkability.

Geoff can you make a new video on your collection of tube maps and have a look at them in detail

So, I did a quick count. I came to 225 pure tube stations (10 less than Geoff) - I didn't include the Bakerloo Line stations between Queens Park and Harrow & Wealdstone because they all share with the London Overground (same with District between Turnham Green and Richmond).

So as long as the tubes are not obscured I'd think that "tube map" is appropriate. Omitting the non-tube features on the printed map for orthology would make the map less useful for most people. The central/connecting feature is still the underground/tube network - and by extension all other forms that network is meshed with becomes a feature of the same. Perhaps "*Tube+* TfL services" Could be a compromise, were "__ Plus" not so such a common trademark pattern.

Did the T&W Metro. There are 44 pure Metro nodes, or 73%. There are eleven Metro / Bus nodes, three Metro / Rail / Bus nodes (Newcastle, Heworth, Sunderland) and two Metro / Ferry / Bus nodes (North Shields, South Shields). I opted not to count Manors, since it’s redundant enough that neither do Nexus, or Airport since air travel doesn’t help you get around Tyne & Wear.

Well done Geoff

Yes, a great topic to talk about. I always enjoy your Tube videos! Do you think they will delay the May publication of the map???

@andrewleib8942

4 жыл бұрын

National Rail have cancelled a new London & Southeast map for May 2020, so there probably won't be a new tube one.

Hey! New subscriber to your channel, from Vancouver, Canada; and I’m absolutely loving it!! Can you/have you already created a video that discusses the whole of Britain’s rail network? My rapid transit system (and lacklustre long distance rail) is nothing in comparison and I’m trying to wrap my head around it all. Could you explain the long distance rails? Metro? Underground/overground? Companies? National/regional/municipal trains? I know this is a lot to ask. If you don’t already have a video or can’t make a new one is there a place to direct me to explore this more? Thanks!

Haha, what a brilliant video! I have a 1993 map autographed by Simon Gilbert of Suede.

Posting before watching- does a wild Matt Parker appear?

Geoff, I apologise on behalf of all the other bores doing nothing with themselves at home but complaining about what you’ve made here. I thought it was great and highlighted just how badly overcrowded the map is!

@jamesneilsongrahamloveinth1301

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Geoff was making useful points under the guise of a game . . .

Love the Frank Pick test card! (edit: it's Harry Beck, just seeing who is paying attention!)

@derbycentreman1951

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Harry Beck ?

@stevehallam0850

4 жыл бұрын

@@derbycentreman1951 Yes, probably! 🤭

My friend sold an original tube map from 1936 for £135. I told him to keep it!!

@sergiointerior

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, on the next 50 years he would sale for £1000;))))

Your post Geoff led me to go up into the loft and guess what I found? A Winter 1924/25 edition of the "Underground" Map of the Electric Railways of London. I think it was my great-aunts'. It listed some stations that I didn't even know existed such as on the District line, Mark Lane, St Mary's, Piccadilly Line, Dover Street, Down Street, Metropolitan Line, Addison Road, Uxbridge Road, Bishops Road, Aldersgate for example.

@johnwinter2366

4 жыл бұрын

Just as a matter of interest, some were closed, some just renamed. Mark Lane became Tower Hill, St.Mary's was the junction for the East London Line (now part of Overground), Addison Road is now Kensington Olympia, Bishops Road is the H&C platforms at Paddington, and Aldersgate became Aldersgate and Barbican, now just Barbican. I believe Uxbridge Road became Shepherds Bush.

@richardarcher3254

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnwinter2366 Thanks for letting me know. It's appreciated.

@norbitonflyer5625

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnwinter2366 Uxbridge Road (Met) station was close to where Shepherds Bush Overground station now sits. There was a connection between the two lines where they cross just west of Latimer Road station. It, and the station, closed in 1940.

#crosselizabethpurp will add more stations when the central part opens incl all the stations to Abbey Wood. It will be hard to call it anything else very soon

@digitig

4 жыл бұрын

If they put national rail services on, you'll get the old "London Connections" map.

Met line past Harrow still has chiltern line services! (stopping at Harrow, Rickmansworth, Chorleywood etc..)

6:30 TFI rail? Great show from the 90s.

I am now making an effort to watch the ads before/after your videos as in this current crisis advertising revenue is essential to you.

@florencegomer7937

4 жыл бұрын

They only have to play, you don't need to actually /watch/ them. Well, not until they install eyeball tracking to make sure that you have.

@RoamingAdhocrat

4 жыл бұрын

@@florencegomer7937 "Five Million Credits"… Does it make a difference if I press "Skip Ad" or not?

@florencegomer7937

4 жыл бұрын

"Skip Ad" signifies you didn't play it.

@RoamingAdhocrat

4 жыл бұрын

@@florencegomer7937 Does that make a difference or not?

I love how there’s more above ground stations than below ground on a subway system called the underground

When seeing the title I was actually wondering how many km of the tube map were actually tube and not running above ground? 😅

@garykeenan9897

4 жыл бұрын

same here.

"Tfl services map" is short & sweet. Stay safe & take care.

Interestingly TUBE makes up 57.14% of the phrase TUBE MAP compared to 57.2% of tube nodes. That’s pretty incredible!

Now I want to try this with the TFL Rail and Tube Map. Old Street, etc, definitely not "Tube Only" when it comes to how they function as stations.

The question is though, is Geoff sponsored by Sharpie? :D Love your videos. Thanks for a much needed distraction during all of this!

Doing this with the NYC Subway map is interesting. All connecting services are shown to be near the respective station in a smaller font that makes it clear that its not a subway which could make it 100% pure. However on the back is a combined LIRR/Metro-North map (which is not avalible online) which could make it 65% pure.

Interesting, Geoff, that you mention Thameslink as being omitted from the map and no other surface non-Tube lines. were shown. Many years, ago, the North London Line was eventually added after much fuss about its relevance to the map, with its Richmond-Broad Street termini. Another odd thing is that of the Southern section of the Northern Line to Morden. I grew up in Morden and recall that, around the 1950's, the Kennington-Morden section was shown as parallel with the District Line to Wimbledon. Young though I was, I thought how illogical it was to show them so far apart. Yet your 1933 reproduction map of Harry Beck's shows it angled towards Wimbledon. Maybe it was only the wall maps which were the ones I noticed.

This was good fun