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@Nomidy

6 ай бұрын

yo i figured i tell you this, idk if youll see this but the Dell OEM rtx3060ti LHR Card is a mega budget graphics card, i got mines for 220$ with 10$ shipping way back in 2021

@badpuppy3

6 ай бұрын

I spent $10,000 on my entire setup. PC: RTX 4090, 7950X. $5,000 total build Monitor: 65" Samsung QN900B 8K TV $2500 Sound: Adam Audio A8H Studio Monitors $2500

@Nomidy

6 ай бұрын

@@badpuppy3 nice waste of money👍

@Nomidy

6 ай бұрын

@@badpuppy3 that makes no sense cuz a maxed out setup with the best parts cost 2,500-3,500$ so idk how you got the numbers for the other 7k

@badpuppy3

6 ай бұрын

@@Nomidy Not to me. It's also for productivity, not just gaming.

Landed a Open Box 4070 today at Best Buy for $421 minus $45 rewards so $376. So excited had to tell someone!!!

@danielowentech

6 ай бұрын

Enjoy!

@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis

6 ай бұрын

Not bad not.bad

@auntiepha8343

6 ай бұрын

WOOT !!! Grats on the $376 4070!!

@nobody.7.10.7

6 ай бұрын

Amazing deal

@theaveragecactus

6 ай бұрын

Woah, that's like, about the price the 4070 should have been

The fact that you can get the fastest gaming CPU for just 369$ is a testament to the power of competition.

@andersjjensen

6 ай бұрын

Well, two fold actually. Intel was intending to keep the desktop on 4 cores so they could sell expensive workstations to people who needed productivity horse power. When AMD suddenly dropped 16 cores on the desktop platform "the rift" between productivity needs and gaming needs were blatantly obvious. People were seriously making the argument that the 10 core 10900k was faster in gaming because it had more cores, despite task manager showing most of them just sitting idel. When the 5800X3D dropped the argument was over: it was always the increased cache of the higher core count models that gave the performance uplift in gaming. That Intel hasn't offered a "14600 Warp Speed" with 8 P cores, the full 36MB L3 and clocked to the moon is their own undoing. We now perfectly know that what is best for gamers isn't what is best for productivity. The two lines NEED to diverge from here. Preferably from both sides.

@LurkingLarper

6 ай бұрын

CPU market is the best and has been for a while now. Too bad the GPU market has hard stagnated with Nvidia's Super releases next year maybe breathing some life into it. Maybe.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@LurkingLarper Will Nvidia's Super releases still have the cut down amount of VRAM?

@LurkingLarper

6 ай бұрын

@@sammiller6631 yes with the 4070 Super coming in at 12GB which is a disappointment. 4070 TI Super (I know, it's the dumbest named GPU in a long while) should come with more VRAM. 4070 Super should offer around 20% uplift compared to non super without costing much more so that should be interesting.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@LurkingLarper The 4070 Ti Super doesn't have more VRAM? What's Super about it?

You should buy the most expensive hardware you can afford and as the hardware ages just buy smaller monitors. For your next upgrade after you build your pc just get a smaller lower resolution monitor like a 10" 720p monitor. Then for your next upgrade get a 6" 248p monitor. Then just get smaller and smaller monitors and keep using upscaling and frame gen.

@leagueaddict8357

6 ай бұрын

At that point you just get a nintendo.

@Sonic6293

6 ай бұрын

​@@leagueaddict8357have you seen the price of Game Boys? They ain't cheap!

@damianabregba7476

6 ай бұрын

Just buy CRT

@user-mz1if8oe9k

6 ай бұрын

And in the end you will understand, that "Snake" on a Nokia 3310 is a masterpiece.

@DudeSkinnyTall

6 ай бұрын

​@@user-mz1if8oe9kTetris Remake RTX with DLSS3+3.5

Over the years as I've become more well off, I notice I've spent more and more on each PC upgrade, until where I'm packing a 4090. Whats weird is that I think I enjoy PC gaming less the more and more I put into my computer, and I feel guilty about how much I've spent versus how much I actually use it. I honestly play my PS5 more than my PC and I've put about $3,500 into it, 7x more than the PS5 I play double as much.

@auntiepha8343

6 ай бұрын

You enjoy upgrading PC parts. It's not all about gaming. If it makes you happy to upgrade your PC do it. IF it doesn't make you happy to upgrade your PC stop and find something that does make you happy. 👍 P.S. I refuse to buy a console. I haven't owned a console since the original Xbox, N64 and Playstation. I use my PC that I love upgrading to game on. 😀

@behlial

6 ай бұрын

I am in the same boat. Have a high end pc with a 4090 and I play on the steam deck/ps5 more then I have my PC since I put it together when the 4090 released. I been considering just putting the tower next to the entertainment center and I probably would use it.

@thisisashan

6 ай бұрын

Same. Partially because I have less time for gaming. Also because its harder for games to really draw me in. Starfield for instance. Was super excited but it just... bored me away. BG3 however, I geeked out until I completed my first game. A rarity for me these days. TBH, its a lot of... been there done that... for me at least.

@ja195

6 ай бұрын

I have more fun upgrading it then using it not to say I don't have fun gaming

@yellowflash511

6 ай бұрын

I'm past that point, sold my expensive rig (7950x3d + 7900xtx) and got a decent rig which can do everything i want at 1080p 240hz (5800x3d + 6700xt). Now I'm more happy gaming and less guilty of the cost coming from a humble(ish) background.

The main reason the price to performance doesn't improve a lot as you go down in performance is the fixed costs stay the same ( case/power supply /memory/etc.)

@mckinleyostvig7135

6 ай бұрын

No because price to performance used to go down. The market is just disgustingly anti consumer right now compared to how it used to be.

@Isaac-eh6uu

5 ай бұрын

Because every other PC part is practically dirt cheap compared to graphics cards.

I was lucky to get a 7800X3D for $360 and 7900XT for $750, and finished with other parts under $1500 in total. I think it's a good value and combo.

@santiagoarielbenitez

6 ай бұрын

damn, that's a good price, enjoy your build bro

@-psycho-0

6 ай бұрын

Insane deal bro i got a 7800xt and 7700x bulid for 1500$ I'm not from us so the shipment is really expensive

@SPPACATR

6 ай бұрын

7800x3d $299 at microcenter now insane deal

@Berzerker-

6 ай бұрын

how's the result if you dont mind ? do you play on 1440p ? @@-psycho-0

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@SPPACATR 7800x3d for $299?!?! Most people don't live near a Micro Center.

Absolutely fantastic video! Love this series with different builds. Well-thought-out decision making with very interesting comments and suggestions👍👍

For Power Supplies, if you want something more in-depth, there is also the Cybenetics database as a tool to determine efficiency and noise level.

@93836

6 ай бұрын

Or just always buy a Corsair one and you can be sure it’s silent and high-quality. Done.

@moldyshishkabob

6 ай бұрын

@@93836 Never purchase according to brand. Purchase products based on the quality of the product itself. Corsair OEMs their PSUs, if I recall correctly, anyway, so their branding has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, even if you put stock into their brand.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@93836 Corsair doesn't make their own. So you can't be sure if they switch manufacturers.

@Typhy7

6 ай бұрын

@@93836 Lol tell that to all the people who purchased an orange label VS unit. Mine literally exploded. That's when I learned never to cheap out on PSUs.

@maximus3294

6 ай бұрын

@@93836 oh, the naïveté

Interesting. High Schoolers in U.S. must have it really good if they can afford RTX 4090s.

@EdDale44135

6 ай бұрын

His assumption is a middle class suburban kid who doesn’t need to save for college or pay household bills. So at minimum wage, $7.25, a kid could save his afterschool money for 13 weeks and have $2,000. Not easy, but doable. I’m assuming 20 hours a week, since that is what I averaged in high school.

@JohnThunder

6 ай бұрын

@@EdDale44135 Thank you for explaining! 👍

@Mitch12141

6 ай бұрын

Where are you where min wage is that low still damn dude that's crazy lol. No offense just havent seen that in awhile, is that like Oregon or something? @@EdDale44135

@tumultoustortellini

6 ай бұрын

middle class nepo babies with free rides to college aren't the standard.

For anyone trying to build a budget oriented system, you should seriously consider the lian li lancool 216 for your PC case.. it's under a hundred for the rgb version, 85 for the non rgb I believe.. that case fits my 4080 (same size as a 4090), and has room to spare. It also comes with three 160mm fans, that keep everything cool and quiet. Anyways it's cheaper than a 4000d, and comes with some great included fans. It also has all the support you could want for fan/radiator mounting, if you wanted to do a watercooling loop later down the line.

@TribalPolitics

6 ай бұрын

Just bought that bad boi for my build. Gorgeous case and super user friendly, even for a PC noob.

Awesome video, very clear explanation. 👌 Edit: I buy mostly used pc. Never been let down. I still own 3 pc in the house, and the older one is almost 10 years, still going strong. Last pc I bought was a Ryzen 7 2700x, 16Gb, 1To SSD, paired with a RTX 2060 super for a little over 300$ a year ago. Great platform, still have room for improvements like a 5800x3d/4070 ti. Yeah, crazy good deals on the used market sometimes. 😄👍

@user-lk5kn2tr7k

6 ай бұрын

WoW, that was a great deal.

@o0Silverwolf0o

6 ай бұрын

Had that combo when I first put together my am4 build a couple upgrades ago. Was very solid for the time.

@topiheimola69

6 ай бұрын

IF you know what you're doing. Good deals are rare, most deals are middling at best and many are just outrageous...

@Xalgucennia

6 ай бұрын

Shame that it'll be obsolete when win 10 support stops. I used to find 4rth Gen intel to be about the sweet spot in price to performance for 2nd hand computers, a have a few, but the last 2 buys, I had a cut off of 3rd Gen Ryzen and 8th Gen intel, even though I saw some absolute bargains on 7th Gen intels

I just spent a lot of money for a 4090 and 7800X3D build using some of the early black friday deals going on right now. Still paid a huge amount, but gaming is also my only hobby and I'm also passionate about getting into the IT/technology/PC field of work. Either way, it's fair to say that most people don't need to spend nearly as much for a good gaming rig.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

A 4090 is a waste of money.

@VALLANCEGAMING

6 ай бұрын

​@@sammiller6631I disagree

@caelanb1711

6 ай бұрын

@sammiller6631 I mean, if you want the best of the best that currently exists, the 4090 is it. At that point, money isn't really something people are gonna be caring about.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@VALLANCEGAMING Why?

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@caelanb1711 But most of the people arguing that the 4090 is sooo much better can't actually afford to buy a 4090. They're living vicariously through others while they have a 1060 or other 60 series at home.

Thank you for the video! Very informative and helpful.

Dude. Thank you, looking in to building my first pc and this was incredibly informative.

The only thing I havent bought new for the past 8years or so is GPU. Went from HD6870 to R9 280x to 1070ti to RTX3080. Especially if you are a student, I feel like USED gpu is way to go since there are such a good deals especially these days. Got RTX3080 for 350bucks.

Thats why the steamdeck is so interesting. The oled steamdeck costs below your lowest specs, comes with a screen, works well for a lot of games.

@crazymcgee3604

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention that, with a dock or a USB adapter, any deck can play games not typically found on consoles (RTS, retro games, etc.) and can be used as a daily driver PC (including some productivity and media use).

Great video did the math that we all needed on cost vs performance, ordering the 1440p build you recommended (about 21:00) as my first self built. Thank you.

Solid video. Great advice for beginners and people looking to jump into pc gaming. A nice reminder to vets that we don't need to over spend as well.

@joshmg1494

6 ай бұрын

great advice for beginners with deep pockets.

@Backtotheviews

6 ай бұрын

@@joshmg1494 I'm not from the United States. I'm from Canada where pc pricing is more expensive. His advice to get a console for gaming or buying used parts is spot on. I have the RTX 4080 build that was about 1800 dollars except it was closer to 3000 in Canada. I'd love to be able to get US prices.

@arinkarwan5888

6 ай бұрын

​@@Backtotheviewsbtw,are u a Nvidia fan? Cuz if not the 7900 xtx would've been a better choice,anyways, that's a nice pc!

@Backtotheviews

6 ай бұрын

@@arinkarwan5888 At the time the 4080 was 200 dollars off. Asus TUF OC was 1549.99 from 1749.99. The 7900XTX Asus TUF was 1599.99. So the 4080 was 50 bucks less. I decided to go with the Ray trace and DLSS vs the VRAM and Rasterizing. Time will tell. I am actually a huge fan of AMD. I live 20 minutes away from AMD. Growing up Canadian it's nice to see their success. I have been buying cards since the Voodoo and Monster days. I had a 6700xt. Sorry for the long winded response. Long winded way to say I have no trepidations for buying AMD. And if I am completely honest frame generation was a factor. If fluid frames were available and working I would have grabbed the 7900xtx.

@joshmg1494

6 ай бұрын

@@Backtotheviews nope youre still thinking 1st world. im talking bout the rest of it. id never be able to make a living in canada. in my home country most of the population dont even consider these new parts as current gen and were doing better economically than countries like brazil or the philippines.

PCs are just so interesting because of the choices you get to make. Like, I'm a gamer, and I want a good gaming experience - but what a good experience is can be so different for different people. I recently spent 70€ on a used GTX 1070 8gb, but also spent 151€ on a really nice custom keyboard and another 60€ on a really comfortable, high quality mouse. I happen to have a really nice premium office chair that I got for free and an adjustable table that I paid 200€, when an office upgraded their stuff a few years back. If I didn't have them, I would rate them pretty high on my priorities, too. Equally, I really really love having good audio, so an external audio interface, a good set of headphones and decent speakers are way more important to me than absolute performance. I also want my computer to be fairly quiet, but don't care whether it's small or large or if it has RGB lights, or even what colour it is. It just sits under my desk, I don't look at it. (and btw I'm not saying my way is the correct way, but instead that it's so cool that we have all these options)

Excellent video! Should be pinned for folks looking at how to build a PC and how performance scales. Nice Job Daniel!

best video ever so far love you! I fallow you since you were talking about the 6700 and I had a felling " this guy is gona sky rocket" I dont miss a sigle video of you

Nice video. I hope you could show what kind of fps you could get with these computers with different resolutions with different types of games.

Im 21 and still employ the same tactics to buy parts i had since i was 14. I make a parts list and then save up for each part individually and then after about 6 months/a year i'll have a new system. If you save like 100 each month it makes it really easy to save for parts .

@JackJohnson-br4qr

6 ай бұрын

New system every 6 months? Why?

@100Bucks

6 ай бұрын

I did the same on my first build. People don't think like that. They want all at once and instantly give up just because of the price. Buy 1 part, check. Buy second part, check. Buy third part, check ect. Build finally complete. Humans are impatient. It's easier buying part by part slowly and keep the parts in the closet until you have everything complete. Humans want here and now. Slow process is better than no process.

@Pikastation28

6 ай бұрын

Good idea

@splashboi898

5 ай бұрын

​@100Bucks or just just buy all the parts now with what you can afford so you don't have to waste time with a pc that's not functional till several months later.

@100Bucks

5 ай бұрын

@@splashboi898 Some people can't do that. You also have to keep in mind you have to keep your bills paid as well. It's not wise to get PC today and be hungry tomorrow. That's crack head method of thinking. Get the crack, don't worry about where to live or eat.

The price is tied down to resolution. If you are okay with gaming at 1080p 60+ Fps (which is still the standard), there are multiple setups for around 500-600 USD that can crush any new AAA title at Full HD. Going for Quad HD instead of Full HD increases the price substantially (I'd say 2 to 3 times more expensive without counting the monitor) since you can't use the older gen CPUs and GPUs that still perform well and are very cheap, but not with high resolution

@pradumnsharma671

6 ай бұрын

This is it. We got to have a tier list based on resolution as I have a 1080p monitor and me going for a 4070ti or even 3090 used just a waste of money until I upgrade

@johnnyoboy777

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. I was gaming on a 60hz monitor with a trash cyberpower pc that I kept alive for 10 years. 1080p 165hz. now feels like heaven on a $1400 custom build. I may upgrade to 1440p, but I'd rather just stick with 1080p and update my gpu down the line.

@joaquincasascortes624

5 ай бұрын

@@johnnyoboy777 I mean for a $1400 build, Quad HD might be the way to go, unless you prefer going with a 240hz or 360hz 1080p monitor for eSport titles. I do believe it's more worth it to save up for a good 1440p 120hz-240hz monitor since you probably have a setup more than capable at crushing 1440p 60fps on any game.

I spend 4200$ for my RiG with RTX4090+Core I7 13700F+DDR5 6000mhz 64GB+ SSD pci.e 4.0 + mis Z-790 pro + Windows 11+case+power supply+AIO cooling :) Now I play in games max out 4k with RT or PT on 55 inch Oled Sony on 2x controller Xbox elite V2 but also I have ps5 for exclusives!

Good video. Personally the only part I wouldn't make a compromise on it the power supply. Going cheap on the PSU can cause many issues, and at worse kill parts.

@TigonIII

6 ай бұрын

My last PSU (and my "first" from my first build back in 2008) lasted me 15 years, as I just replaced it this year when I upgraded my PC. It's fan was also in a bad shape (after 15 years the fan has reached its operational runtime max or whatever it is they call it), so getting a PSU with a "silent" mode now, that only kicks on the fan whenever the PC draws more than 40% power, is probably going to make the fan last longer. So yeah, I can also only recommend going with a quality PSU. I also noticed after some checking that fully-modular PSUs are higher on the tier list generally.

This is a different perspective on DLSS2/FSR2 than Daniel has, so here goes: DLSS Quality at 4k looks 98% as good as native. FSR Quality at 4k looks 95% as good as native. Either work for me. DLSS Quality at 1440p looks "meh" if you have a good monitor. If your monitor already ghosts/overshoots you won't notice it too much though. But if your monitor is good you're better off lowering a few settings like shadow quality and screen space reflection quality for the same performance uplift. FSR Quality at 1440p looks "I'm not that desperate" and you'd much rather play with other settings. DLSS Quality at 1080p looks like dog shit. Lowering other settings is always the way to go. You'll get less detail but the details you get will at least be crisp instead of looking like there's a smear filter on everything. FSR Quality at 1080p look like moldy cat puke. Full stop. Holy shit. I get a headache! I've always been the type who'd rather lower geometry detail and stuff like that in return for cranking up the AA and texture filtering settings. Ditching FXAA and TAA for 4x or 8xMSAA and selecting trilinear texture filtering gives a much cleaner presentation that doesn't sizzle/shimmer and ghost. And that's the problem with upscaling: they rely on TAA (or a machine learned version of TAA) which just annoys my eyes a whole lot more than less, but clean, details.

You can tell Daniel really happy his student ask about it and he is really excited to do this video for people like his student :D

I Always buy entry Level gaming cards plus a CPU for 100 to 150 Dollars. At the Moment i have a MSI MPG x570 Mainboard for 120$ a CPU Rayzen 5600 for 130$ and a rtx 4060 for 300$ so all in all a 550 Dollar PC If you can use parts from your old pc. If one want to Go am5 i would recommend x670 chipset. But i only Play at 1080p because i dont See the benefit of 4k. But someone who wants to Play in 4k has to spend a lot more for GPU and CPU

CPU within the past three generations, GPU within the last four unless you're doing something more than 1080p desktop, VR or streaming. I tend to hold onto my builds for a very long time so I get to mix and match old parts with enterprise equipment at a massive discount. In 2019 I built this from scratch for ~$600: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 32GB DDR4-3200 ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus Wi-Fi SolarFlare SFN5122F dual 10GbE SFP Corsair MP510 240GB NVMe Reused my antique server tower chassis, 750W semi-modular Antec power box and a PowerColor RX 580 Red Devil 8GB. I have since doubled the system memory and added a 120GB sata SSD. When testing with more local storage I sometimes swap out the SFP card for a 400GB Seagate WarpDrive. It handles 1080p144 desktop for most games, suffers some low frames in high quality VR and is rides the line for 1080p60 streaming from the H.264 encoder. If I need to change out anything it's probably the GPU, which would most likely be more than what I paid for this update in total.

I think someone needs to lean toward the $700 mark, but basically not skimp on the case or the power supply. That way one day it may house a bigger and better build, but you pick the most cost effective options to fill your nice case.

@stevieC11Hanworth

6 ай бұрын

Motherboard and case and psu should be best possible I agree

@77Arcturus

6 ай бұрын

This is what my brother inlaw and me shoot for when he does his home builds for me. Its inched upwards at times into the grand range but never more than 1,200. We usually choose a mix of used and new parts that are one or two generations back which usually lasts me a good five to seven years before i need to start cutting back on settings from ultra to high and medium on the latest releases.

What's thar web u use to pick parts? I'm tired of looking for parts on like 20 diff places to get good deals, and that where u did the vid seems clean. Ty in advance

These are my favorite types of videos that you make

Although esthetics have played a part in my build, I have no regrets. I first built my pc in late 2020 and had a 3070 and 3900X, I have since switched them. Here is my current build. Case: Phanteks P500A PSU: Corsair RM1000x Cooler: Deepcool LS720 (W) Cpu: Ryzen 9 5950X GPU: Rx 7900 XTX Ram: 32GB G.Skill Royal Board: ASRock B550 Extreme Storage: 2TB NVME

@n.erdbeer

6 ай бұрын

I went from 3700x with a 3070 to 7700x with a 4090 and regretted nothing as well😅. I knew I will have to make a new rig after just 2 years of usage, because the Fractal torrent compact case got released shortly after I finished my Meshify 2 Compact build and I instantly felt in love with the looks of it.

Great video for beginners!

I am having a blast with my first all white build with a 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 at 6,000mhz. The price at the time of the build was 4,200 + which is a lot but I always wanted an overkill pc so I dont have to worry about playing any game at native 2k maxed out or the next highest settings with and without ray tracing and native 4k with and without ray tracing. For the games that release buggy wait several months then I buy them after patches. I dont play as much do to work but when I do play I play for hours on end. I may still do a few upgrades soon and I can't wait for the next x3d chips and the 5090 performance to see if I will upgrade.

Hi Daniel, im a 3d animation student that wanted to build a PC for works fans gaming, i play both fps and single player game (cyberpunk/ starfield), and i mostly work on maya/unreal, i have around 2000-2500cad budget, and i prefer amd cpu/ nvidia gpu, do u have any recommendations?

Question this build is similar to what I was looking at but I'm not sure what case to get is there a difference in cooling with a cheap case to a expensive case

I feel like 1k is the sweet spot. 700 gets you there but you’ll be upgrading the GPU within a year or two if you’re not satisfied. I spent 700 my first build in 2019 with a gtx 1080, it was great but I wanted more power, got a 6800xt then sold it for financial reasons, bought a 6700 xt to get me by and it was a GREAT card for the money. and now I’m waiting on my 4070 super.

this video is sooo good!!

We need this type of video annually!

Dude educates every hour of his life. You sir are a hero.

Is there a reason you not take into consideration the price of windows 11 key? I am thinking of building one too but too confused over what to spend more on.

That Asrock B650M Pro RS Wifi is an excellent bang for buck choice which I bought 2 months ago after HUB and some others approved it.

Hello, maybe you know what it is. I have ASRock RX6800 and I checked all bios all 6800 cards on TechPowerUp. Only ASRock make TDC Limit (A) GPU - 250. Reference is 200A and some vendors make 210 or even 235. Only ASRock make it 250 for all models 6800 and I don't understand why, it seems too much and I started worry about my gpu

You should start from the bottom. And ask a couple of questions, as a System Integrator. 1) What FPS are you targeting? 60/100/200? Which type of games? You won't get 200 in Starfield with anything. But you don't need it. 2) What resolution are you targeting? What's your display's resolution. Do you also need a Display? 3) RGB/non-RGB 4) Do you need lots of expansion? Drives, PCI cards, etc ... First question will direct you to which CPU to choose. The lowest new CPUs are 12100F and R5 5500 which are kinda the same in gaming. That gives you a steady 60 FPS among a plethora of games, and high FPS on easier to run titles. Second question, directs you to GPU choice. FHD: Anything from 3050/6600 to 3070/6700XT 2K: Anything from 3070/6700XT to 4080/7900XTX 4K: Anything from 3080/6800/4070/7800XT and above Third question is self-explanatory Fourth question regards choice of mobo and case. How big/how expensive. And lastly. Comes the design/style/brand of choice. There's a lot of choices. From 600$ to 5000$. Still better than 30 years ago (Daniel probably doesn't remember, since he looks like a baby) when we had this year's model 6000$ and last year's model 3000$. And anything else didn't run new games at all, they were E-waste.

Not to flame on the video i know you want to help, but you made a few mistakes, like for the cases you selected the Corsair 4000d, nice case but only comes with 2 fans and you'll want at leas 2 more fans that will add to the cost, the chep Phantek case, really good case especially at that price, add $14 for a 3-pack of argb fans (thermalright) and you are about $50 total which is amazing deal. On the PSU yes a 4090 can run on a 850w but is gonna be super thight, personally for a GPU that expensive (almost 2k) i wont risk it and go with a minimum of 1000w (my usual go to for a 4090 is the MSI MEG 1300w, A-tier, 80+ Platinum, comes with the 16pin high power cable for the GPU so you dont have to use the adapter) Also when you use the Cultist list you gotta be very careful, the psu you selected (Apevia Premier) is not the same as the one in the cultust list (Apevia Prestige), the list specifies models not just brands.

It depends entirely on your monitor resolution, refresh rate and the application, e.g. game, you want to run. Choose a game which runs on an RX 6600 and stay at 1080p 60 Hz, and do only Enlisted as game and even an GT 1030 will run that game at ultra low shitty quality at 40 fps. Enlisted on High gets you with the RX 6600 around 160 fps. So stick to ONE game and build the PC for that. VRAM is the critical factor on GPU's and so on my other Tower I ordered the RX 6750 XT. The RX 6750 XT gets you on Enlisted High settings around 230 fps. Both cards are undervolted and the Bios switch set to power savings.

@donaldslayer

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think most people play only one game, I’d say check candidate parts in multi game benchmarks and choose the parts which perform the best in the highest number of games that either you like, or share a genre with ones you like, at the price point you are looking for.

@9mmfederalrimmed235

6 ай бұрын

@@donaldslayer I gear up my 2 towers according to Enlisted. Only one game for me. Before it was Heroes & Generals, but they closed their servers. Playing several games uses an incredible amount of time and is a guarantee for an money pit. Several games in play is a recipe for loosing money like crazy unless you settle allways for the highest end GPU like the 4090. With the 4090 you could play Enlisted most likely for the next 10 years but are already unable to play with more than 30 fps highest settings on the latest AAA games. Just settle for 1 game and buy your hardware around that. Gaming is in reality only loosing lots of time.

@donaldslayer

6 ай бұрын

@@9mmfederalrimmed235you’re one individual. The vast majority of people play GAMES not A GAME. My 7800 XT didn’t cost me $1600-$1700 and I can play any game I want at reasonable settings and will be able to play for some years to come. My 5800X3D doesn’t completely crush CSGO but it does well all around. Suggesting everyone should only play one game is like suggesting everyone should go to the store and only buy frozen pizzas.

@9mmfederalrimmed235

6 ай бұрын

@@donaldslayer Well tastes are debatable. But really it is not healthy to play more than one game since lots of time goes into that stuff. Economizing means choosing the best for you and stick to that till an new optimum arrives. Yes most people are FOMO and addicted to gaming, but that is not healthy at all. That is why stick to one game only and play that once in a while. Today I did not yet enter in the game I play since I did not have time. I plan to play a round of Enlisted later on today if I have time. If I would have a handfull games on Steam, I would have no time and be a gaming freak which is completely addicted to gaming and not well in the head. Gaming has to be limited - if not people will neglect other stuff. Gaming is just an entertainment which should be reserved for real free time.

There are some simple steps to Figuring out what you need. 1. 1080P, 1440P, 4K? What type of Games are you playing? How much Future Proofing do you want. This should be a good starting point. Personally if you are doing 1080P Gaming on AAA Titles go with Intel 12th Gen i5 or Ryzen 5 5600with 8 Gig VRAM GPU. 1440P go with 13th Gen i5 or Ryzen 5 -7600 with 12 Gig VRAM GPU, 4K Intel 13th Gen i7 or Ryzen 7800x3D with 16 Gig VRAM GPU.

@tallsz559

6 ай бұрын

Yeah an RX 6800 plays 4K no problem

@jak3zera

6 ай бұрын

@@tallsz559 not really, I have an RX 6800 and it's a good at 1440p and great at 1080p, it can play at 4k but there is going to be a significant hit to performance in the latest games.

For students it would also be beneficial to show them if they have $3,000 but they invest $1,500 & only spend the rest how much would they have by the time they retired. They would be shocked to see how much it would grow in 40yrs!

@Trisiton

6 ай бұрын

We aren’t retiring dawg generations after you will be worked until we die. Also literally why would I save money until my 70s when I can live here and now (obviously saving a reasonable amount just in case)

Can you please help me sir? Im planning to buy a rx 7700 xt pulse gpu so what is the best cpu is it the ryzen 7 7700? what is the best memory ram? whats is the best motherboard?

If you're really stretching your budget, a 3 year warranty is better than saving 20% on a build. Having been broke at several points in my life before, I can state this with aplomb. Maybe getting something like Asurion Tech Unlimited could help give you peace of mind when buying used parts?

well done Daniel, i still cant deal with the pc and gaming stuff happening now. some games just require a 4090 and still not enough. just so people do not think that they can play every game as they want it and some thing you just have to skip for now. but we all need a pc so hope everyone get great deals and enjoy what they can afford :)

@anetizen6404

6 ай бұрын

My classmates have Macs, 11th Gen Intel laptops or older and decade-old PCs that can't beat your gaming rigs

I've always been a bang-for-the-buck PC gamer. The move to 1080p to 1440p only happened recently and I'm actually not totally sure if it's worth it. I mean, my monitor is a larger size (27 vs 24), but the ppi isn't that different for those sizes. And on top of that, now I need to get a stronger and more expensive GPU. I went from a GTX 1060 to a used 5700 XT last year, but now I'm already thinking of getting a used RX 6800 just to better utilize my 144hz monitor. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it can be a slippery slope once you change monitor resolution/frequency lol. On a 10400F from a few years back. Got it for $100 at microcenter with a used $50 Z490 board. I'm trying to hit that 1440p sweetspot with a RX 6800 and then wait for AM5 prices to come down!

@jayhom5385

6 ай бұрын

IKR. I've been playing 1440 for a while now, but probably will never go 4k anytime soon. IMO when it comes to single player it doesn't seem to matter too much. However, when it comes to MMORPG, once you get used to the higher resolution and pack all those hotbars in it's hard to go back.

@damianabregba7476

6 ай бұрын

I recently got 27' 1440p 165Hz monitor and not that much of a difference. You can achieve the same thing by just moving your monitor closer lol

Had a gtx970 and i7 3770k till Christmas/black Fri of last year. So my build now is pure asrock as it saved me a lot with cpu and mb bundle where the 7600x came out for $190 and then a coupon from them for a 6800xt $510 had to wait for the mob and gpu about 2 month and 3 for the gpu. All in with mem kit, ssd's, aio, os i think 1300 which during the pandemic it would have been x2 more at least

@kravenfoxbodies2479

6 ай бұрын

I got Starfield with my 7600x /B650 Aorus Elite AX = $289.99 from Best Buy back in July, they give me the Mobo really.

@Cesar-jh1ho

6 ай бұрын

Mine was the ASRock X670E Steel Legend for $270 as it had the best discount with the 7600x and could upgrade if the price droped like how micro center did yesterday with a 7900x for $288 wish i had a store in S-FL

Pc's are so much more useful than consoles and thus I'd rather have a 1080p pc than a console if I had to make the choice. I have a PS4 and hardly use it (my 2 youngs son's use it a lot though) and have not been tempted to get the PS5. I spend a lot of time on my PC which happily runs 3x 1080p monitors, I do a lot of modding for games, watch KZread and have several programs running at the same time. And if I want, I can play a game on surround. The system is old but still does a great job, a 6700k @5Ghz and and oc'd Strix 1080ti. Until it stops doing what I need it to, I probably won't upgrade. I think I'll be looking at Intel 15th gen when that comes out just because it would be nice to have a fresh new system. Thanks for this and the other videos Daniel, keep up the great work

Personally i just upgraded my gpu to a 4070, using it together with a 5600x. That's probably the best price to performance pc I ever owned

I swung into the PC building game with an RTX3060 12GB and 5600X at under 700- going used or skimping more, I could probably press the price down further. I know the 3060 isn't popular in the building community, but because I'm using it mostly for ML it's the best value for money I can get.

Interesting and I'm learning. If you have the $ just go for it of course. I have other things $ to buy though so this helps understand the industry. Thanks!

Yesterday I negotiated a killer deal and got a pc with a 3060, r5 5600x, 32gb ram, and a 500gb ssd + 1tb ssd + 2tb hdd. It came with a g pro wireless and a duragod mechanical keyboard too. All for $550 cad.

Why you always go with a micro-ATX Board? Maybe its just me but i dont like that tiny Boards in a normal atx case.

Me I spent 2000. I only dabbled in swapping parts on a prebuilt before. Figured I'd make this one count. Otherwise what's the point?

Whatever system you build, an OLED display will make it better. Their response times are amazing. A 144Hz OLED feels more like 240--300Hz LCD and visually there's no comparison. If you can stretch your budget, l'd be amazed if it didn't add to your experience.

@Greenalex89

6 ай бұрын

Each panel type has pros and cons and it all depends on your preferences, what u use it for and the lighting inside your room. You cant say panel type x is the best for everyone and everything..

My opinion on this before watching the video: I think you should only buy a gaming pc according to how much you can spend and how much you gonna need it, let’s say you only have a low budget and don’t need the best running pc as you’ll just be playing some games that’s it, you can go with something around 600€, even when streaming you can get something good for 800€ (this is considering that prices went up again, back then I got a good pc for streaming for 650€), the pc I’m talking about can get up to 150 frames on average settings while recording / streaming, which honestly for a low budget is extremely useful, now if you actually stream to the point where you can kind of make decent money of it and have the money for it, of course you can step up your game and get something for 1100€ - 1400€ I‘ve personally never had the situation where I had to pay 2000+ for a pc no matter if the focus was gaming or streaming, then again I’m not like some big known streamer or anything, so I don’t really need it in the first place So again it’s mainly just a question of what for and how much can you / are you willing to spend

That high end pc price would be like 5000 dollars in EU I feel like :( would you recommend buying from sites outside your own country, getting the parts shipped to you? I guess those shipping costs would be quite high as well though

Hello fri3ndo how are you for playing at 60 fps or more at 1440p, which cards would you choose, a 6800xt, 7800xt, 6950xt or a 4070, since thinking of buying a 7800 is better because it is newer and the codecs and that, but the 6800 performs almost the same and It is more economical, what do you recommend or what else do you recommend? Greetings and continue with the good content

@Mitch12141

6 ай бұрын

With 4070 being on your list of possibilities I would suggest waiting till nvidia SUPERS and aiming for 4070 super as its leaked to have close performance to current 4070 ti or getting the 4070 TI SUPER if you want more vram and bigger increase, that's leaked to get the largest increase. It's leaked CES they will unveil them January 8th so not too far away. The other options are good too tbh, could also wait and see if they do anymore price cuts on amd after super releases/announces. Moore's Law Is Dead has a good video if you want more info Currently his latest video atm labeled "RTX 4080 & 4070 Ti SUPER Full Leak: Pricing, Performance, Release Date"

@evilleader1991

6 ай бұрын

6950 xt is close to 4070 ti in performance. If energy is cheap in your country then that could be a consideration.

Should also be noted that Nvidia will release the SUPER refresh early next year and leaks are saying the 4080 Super will be 5-10% faster and could also potentially launch at $1000 to compete with the 7900xtx, but thats up to Nvidia. So it might be worth waiting to see.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

By the time the Super refresh comes out, the 7900XTX will be cheaper than the 4080 Super. Stop drinking the Nvidia kool-aid.

@justinf2896

6 ай бұрын

@sammiller6631 Not drinking the kool-aid, just pointing out that both amd and nvidia cards will be priced lower and be more competitive at the mid to high end in a few months. I would hate to buy a card that is $100-200 cheaper in a couple months.

@andersjjensen

6 ай бұрын

@@justinf2896 They will always be priced lower in a little bit. That's how the PC market works. That's why Apple want their own complete eco system. I bought a 7900XTX for $1000 at the beginning of last month and people are already snapping them up in spot deals for $850-900. I'm just happy for them. If you don't want to see your parts go down in price until next gen is out your only option is Apple.

@ThisLuvee

6 ай бұрын

@@sammiller6631 That's also the point??? If Nvidia priced their cards competitively, it's a win. If AMD respond by lowering their price, it's a win. At worst, Nvidia announces a horrible price for the new super refreshes and people can just ignore it.

@sammiller6631

6 ай бұрын

@@ThisLuvee Nvidia does not price their cards competitively. They think budget prices make you look like budget quality, so they'll keep charging Nvidia Tax just to keep their brand image out of the bargin bin. Diehard Nvidia fanboys will not ignore it. They are groomed to justify paying more.

Today around 1500-1800$ will get you 7800xt+r7700x with a great monitor for 1440p gaming, i think thia setup will be very good for the next 6-8 years, and after that you can go to 1080p for the next 5 years if you don't plan to spend any additional money in that time period.

Will I7-13700F and 4070TI be good for streaming and gaming?

I grabbed an Apevia after my seasonic died. I've been happy with it.

-Nicer cases are also easier to build in along with better air flow. -Make sure your ssd has a DRAM buffer. Without it, ssd performance often is worse than an old HDD. -consider tomorrow's needs & Total Cost of Ownership. If you buy just for today but have to upgrade your cpu in 2 yrs, did you save any $? Ex: buy a $300 cpu now & a $300 cpu in 2yrs =$600. If you bought a $650 cpu today & didnt need to upgrade for 4yrs you'd have had an awesome 1st 2yrs & saved yourself the trouble of upgrading. Changing a cpu can be nerve wracking & cooler install can be a pain if its a big one. Higher end cpu's also retain their resale value more. The best cpu possible for a socket has the best resale value by far.

You can also make a video "How much money should you spend on a productivity PC?". There are three variants. Productivity only, productivity and gaming, productivity and gaming at the same time (number crunching in a virtual machine and simultaneously gaming in the host OS).

@anetizen6404

6 ай бұрын

M2 Pro Mac Mini

Thank you so much for this video. Was able to cut $300 off of my pc build without losing anything but pretty lights.

If anyone here can help me out….i know nothing about pc’s so I’m gonna buy a prebuilt. I have an msi 144hz monitor, and I want to be able to play games (gta 5 with graphics mods, rocket league, beam ng) while screen recording and also being able to edit/ render long videos in 1080p. What’s the cheapest I could go while still being able to play games at 1080p with high settings? Any recommendations?

I never understood the concept of upgrading your PC - if upgrading one of the components in the future really helps you, it probably means the setup wasn't very balanced to begin with and you overpaid for the other components when you were bulding it. If you upgrade ALL the relevant components (CPU, GPU, RAM), what does it leave you with? MB (sometimes), PSU, SSD? Pretty much the cheapest parts which I personally don't want to be dragging along for too many years anyway. Isn't it better to buy a balanced PC and instead of upgrading, sell it as a whole, a complete working well-balanced setup (which is IMO easier than selling the individual parts)? And if it is, my advice would be to stick with AM4 for a 4070 and lower. Hell, at 4k, I'd say the 5800X3D would be enough for a 4080 or even a 4090. I'd say a 4070 paired with a 5700X on an AM4 MB will suddenly get you to a way better price to performance ratio than what Daniel got. But I'll be happy to learn, if someone explains to me why what I'm saying is untrue. Oh and for a combo of 4070 + 5700X, an 850W PSU would be way overkill, so you'd save even more money there.

For a high school student, 1 thing I would recommend is that since they are currently in that situation where they have little to no expenses and a minimal salary, it can be worthwhile to strech the budget as high as possible to make a PC that will stay usable and enjoyable for as long as possible. Because soon enough, they'll have to move for college, start getting debt and lots of expenses, and it will most likely be many many years before they reach a point where they will once again have disposable income to refresh their PC.

@BroNapartay

6 ай бұрын

Tell them not not go into debt with college and instead enroll in the lucrative trades, they will thank you later.

You can't use that Tom's chart to make an informed buying decision. If you're going to get a CPU for *gaming* specifically, you either go Intel, or you get a NON 3D AMD chip. Due to the way their V-cache works, the chips constantly throttle their speeds in a major way and usually aren't even running off of the core that has the V-cache on it. The 1% lows are pretty bad too on those chips compared to the non 3D versions, and they tend to have higher highs, but lower lows and stutter like mad (not even counting games that inherently stutter). It's actually the opposite of your claim about not having to worry about whether or not it's using the correct core. They even just recently had to release a driver to fix the stuttering with gaming, and it still hasn't been fully resolved. I used to build a new gaming system every 4 - 6 years, and typically my new GPU for it would come a few months later. I used to spend a maximum of around $1,800 for *everything* other than a new monitor, and if it was a PC that was retiring for good (normally my previous gaming PC becomes my desktop/storage/indie PC and the previous desktop gets scrapped or given away), I would transfer the Windows key. Now? To get the same kind of performance you can add another $800 on top of that. Minimum. 😕 My last build was at the end of 2018, and I'd be due a new one, except there aren't really enough games yet that would warrant it, and my 3080 is doing fine for now at 1440p. I was going to do a new build next fall until it was revealed that the 50 series would not be out until 2025, so I guess I won't be doing one until then, and it will likely cost around $3,000 this time.

How much should you spend on a PC? The first question one should ask themselves is what are you going to use the computer for? If it is internet browsing, watching KZread, streaming services such as Netflix and light gaming(1080p or light 1440p) most will be fine with either an Intel i3 or i5(or AMD version) paired with a AMD 7700XT/7800XT GPU. Mid range gaming(1440p) go with an i5 13600K/KF with a 7800XT/7900XT. For the latest triple A games(heavy 1440p) go i7 14700K/KF paired with either a 7900XTX or a 4080. For latest 4K gaming i7 14700K/KF with a 7900XTX or a 4090. A 4K display will set one back quite a bit of money especially if you want FPS as high as possible. It is easy to overspend on a new build. If you want RGB expect to pay through the nose for it. What resolution do you want? This is important to avoid any potential bottlenecks. i5 13500 paired with a 6750XT is perfect for 1080p displays but at 1440p there is a 6% chance of a bottleneck. This jumps up to 13% at 4k.

Just enough to target console visuals at the chosen resolution and frame rate that you want, with a bit extra for bad optimisations and bells and whistles. Anything else is kinda a waste of money because you end up paying a lot more for very little, basically, the vast bulk of the visuals are designed around console hardware, at least in a core game designed way, the rest is a small touch up of that, but it's that touch up where you end up paying through the nose for and is it worth paying so much more for such a small improvement? Doing it this way, at least you can do it on a reasonable budget without it getting out of hand, which basically means that last gen cpu's and gpu's are more than good enough for the task, in some cases, even the gen before that, as for the new gen, it's nice to have but lets be honest, the benefits are quite small.

For me sweet spot is 1440p 144hz monitor, thus, sweet spot for PC is around 1200-1500$. 4070+ You can never get too much GPU, so if your budget allows go as much high end as you can.

@stevieC11Hanworth

6 ай бұрын

My top end pc was 7k I cap to 60hertz at 1440p I only use it for high end games

Looking to upgrade my pc and I'm unsure what to get. I got a gtx 1070ti and i5 8600k. I wanna be able to play 2k gaming, does anyone have any suggestions?

I'm getting a pc for the first time, I need to know if a ryzen 5 5600x with a 4060 ti (16gb), B550-F GAMING Mobo sounds good or not?

I spend 2k€ on my 4080 ryzen 7600x rig. I bought a PC for my dad new for 450€ with 1660 super and 10400f. Pretty good deal and good performance in all games i played a bit. If u have a 1080p setup ill think its good for the value but i did the mistake and bought a 4K monitor for my consoles so my PC should also go for 4k. Next time im doing better and grab 1440p or 1080p. 🙂

I'm just pausing at 6:24 because I don't full agree with your point that with motherboards "more money only equals more features"... I just did a build today, and I prioritized getting a mobo that would be upgradeable in 2-3 years from now. So I paid a little extra got PCIe5.0, I also have a 5.0 M.2 slot, so I'll be all set for a next gen NVMe and next gen GPU. And because it's AM5, I'm good for a few more gens of CPU too!

It's scaling linearly because midrange GPU prices have more than doubled mm^'d to mm^'d. When an RX580 ran you $229.99 and 6GB 1060 came in at a whopping $279.99 you were getting 250mm^'d dies that put out 50%+ the performance of the Titan XP. So 22-25% of the cost for 50-55% of the performance depending on the game. Now they have made the graphics chip as tiny as possible, named them a tier up, and raised the prices on the tier they are pricing them at. Remember, in 2016 the 1080 was $500 2 months after release bc no one wanted them at $700 and retailers actually has sway when it came to pricing. The 1080Ti came out and prices went right back to 900 series levels. After the insane sales of Polaris, Pascal and even Vega, even if it was more do to mining than gaming, Nvidia just said _"OK, we have been scaling with inflation for two decades. No more. Now inflation is what we say it is and if parnters don't like it, if stores don't want to play ball...don't care, we will sell them ourselves."_ and things went batshit crazy. I still don't see any way this could possibly happen without AMD going along with it, as they could have, and historically would have released the 5700 and 5700XT for $230-$250, which would have forced Nvidia to drop prices dramatically and kept AMD in a lot more systems. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm also not an idiot. This has happened thousands of times in just as many industries throughout US history; the only difference being the US government always jumped in and said _"Guys, we aren't morons, cut the shit or we'll fine you for half your net income in the upcoming year."_ From oil to steel to fricken chocolate and eggs (yes eggs). The government would see one company or a small group decide to set much higher margins in a shirt period of time with each company seeming to magically be on the same page instead of competing. We just don't seem to care anymore. I'd say _"Hey, free market baby"_ except we are competing with companies and an ever growing Gini-Coefficient that sorta kills the beauty of completely free markets. That's a different, very long story with so many twists and turns I can debate both sides. Whatever the circumstances, the *tldr* is the same. The prices are scaling terribly for low end consumers because the prices on lower margin products are no longer low margin products. As long as the demand us there, regardless of whether it comes from miners or AI or Nvidia artificially hoarding/cutting production to keep supply low, prices are not going to improve all that much. Consumers would have to show a rational amount of discipline to get prices down, and frankly, in a _"Door Dash"_ and Amazon world, asking ppl to wait 4 years between upgrading and then considering a used card first just isn't feasible. It'd be nice, but again, still not happening. Maybe when we get some politicians who are into tech and refuse to take kickbacks we'll catch a break.

@legendofthefall7082

5 ай бұрын

Really well written comment

Take your budget and divide it by how many years you want it to last. Is the ratio realistic for you? Does it make sense? For example, my $900 build in march 2020 has lasted me 3 years, so about 300. My next build will likely cost about 2k and i want it to last 5 years. Meaning $400 a year. Thats esentially a mid range GPU upgrade every year. Not to mention, after the 5 years, i can likely drop the highest AM5 chip into that supported board and gpu to extend it. So the math can get a bit wonky but i think finding the year ratio is a good start.

for AM5, the best motherboard is either the carbon wifi or ACE. the rest are junk (higher costing and better ones) or you could just get something cheap for budget also, if you dont care for RGB, then T38 AIO are the best choice, they keep cpu super cool AND its cheaper then other AIOs (most of them anyways)

IMO the PSU tier list is a good guide and you'll be fine with any of the PSU's on it that are at least at the C level...it doesn't need to be A and the ones in the C rankings are still actually good, at least according to the discussions I've seen. Once you get below C...well, that's when you're gambling a bit.

I got a 4070ti, with ryzen 9 7950 x3d and 32gb ram 32cl. I love it. Never going back to console

another good card for tight budgets is RX 6600 (at least in my region). Probably one of the best frame per dollar card out there in this price bracket.

Nice quick click presentation, but I feel like you go about it from the wrong direction: Most people don't know what kind of performance they need and therefore will either go for the fastest system there is or the biggest system they can afford - which is what your videos help with a lot. However where gaming is concerned, I find that you should start with your display and most notably its resolution, because for most cases this is what tells you what graphics card you should start with . If for instance you only game on a single 1080p display you'd probably just burn money if you buy yourself anything above an RTX 3060 12GB / RX 6700 XT 12GB with a Zen 3 / Intel Core Gen 12, and even if you go the middle ground for 2560x1440 pixels, which is great for round about 27" displays, you probably still won't need anything even remotely as powerful as an RTX 4090.

As a fellow teacher interested in your thoughts on how much to spend within a teachers (low) salary

I spent 2800 euro for a PC I bought in April. 7700X, 4090 Gaming X Trio, 64GB DDR5@6000, ASUS Prime B650, Arctic Freezer 280 II, case is Pop Air XL (I returned the Corsair 5000D - it rattled like crazy when fans hit certain RPM). So far I love it, but I'm thinking about upgrading to 7800X3D.. Do you guys think it's a reasonable upgrade or nothing substantial? I game at 1440p ultrawide and 4K.

@D3nsity_

6 ай бұрын

if you dont game at 240hz refresh or higher its not worth because the 7700X should already be giving nearly that experience so it would only be worth if you are looking to absolutely not dip below that in esports games. at 4K and GPU bound like say alan wake 2 you will get identical performance. Its only if you have times when you are below a certain refresh rate WHILE cpu bound that you would want to upgrade.

@Luemm3l

6 ай бұрын

I do not think the cpu upgrade is worth it, if you are chasing fps or use some cpu heavy things like rendering apart from gaming, then maybe yes, but just for gaming id say no.

@Filip10101

6 ай бұрын

@@D3nsity_ alright thanks guys ! @Luemm3l

@daniil3815

6 ай бұрын

It all depends on your games. If your GPU isn’t loaded 99%+ then it might worth upgrading, but honestly just wait for next gen (Q2 2024 Zen5 releases)

@Filip10101

6 ай бұрын

@@daniil3815 yes, this is what I was thinking too... around summer you'd say 8800X3D could come out?

If you want to just go by the most cost efficient option then a 4th gen intel i7 or xeon on an ali express mobo paired with a 2060 will get you AAA gaming at 1080p and high refresh rate gaming for shooters on competitive settings and most likely come in well under $400 depending on what you choose for the rest of the system. Anything after that is paying for more power to run at a higher resolution.

@kiiturii

6 ай бұрын

is 144 high refresh rate to you?

@nonaurbizniz7440

6 ай бұрын

@@kiiturii I'd say for the majority of users 100~120hz would be considered high refresh rate but in reality anything over 80 is smooth as polished glass unless you are doing a side by side with a higher refresh display. For the competitive twitch monkey fps players probably even 240hz would be considered unplayable but no one really cares about them.

@kiiturii

6 ай бұрын

@@nonaurbizniz7440 competitive standard is becoming 360hz. When talking about "high refreshrate gaming" 144 is just not it anymore. Regardless of what you personally think lol..

@nonaurbizniz7440

6 ай бұрын

@@kiiturii Server tick rates and prediction algorithms nullify super high refresh rates you know. You have no more real advantage running at 360 than 120 and thats a hard coded limit. But hey if you feel that placebo 360 makes you a better gamer then you do you.

@kiiturii

6 ай бұрын

@@nonaurbizniz7440 that's not how that works. Low refreshrate just adds another layer of delay and choppiness ontop of tickrates and shit. They don't work at the same time. And that's not even talking about how far behind 144hz and even 240hz monitors now are in technological advancment with pixel delays, color ranges and screentearing and motionblurring mitigation. It's not all about hz.

I did a i7-9700 build that holds up just fine today that just a few short yrs ago was $1500US including a decent 144hz monitor. A gaming PC should never be more than that but here we are with graphics cards themselves costing more than an entire build.

@andersjjensen

6 ай бұрын

The fastest graphics card, when the i7-9700 launched, was the 2080ti which, despite Nvidia's pinky promise of $1000, never went below $1200 until the 30 series was announced. So the i7-9700 was $330 and the 2080ti was $1200. That's already above your $1500, which means you didn't build top-spec (or didn't build until the parts had been out for some time). But here's the thing: The "RTX 2090" was just called Titan RTX back then and was 2000-freaking-dollars. So there you have it: Nvidia changed the name of a product because gamers could mentally convince themselves that they didn't want a Titan because it was somehow not meant for them... and Nvidia didn't want that. They want you to compare to the "90-class" and not the "Titan class". But here's the thing: If you adjust your build for inflation, and just disregard Nvidia's marketing trick, it comes out to $1805 for a high spec PC build in today's money. And lo and behold: for $1800 you can get a CRACKING good gaming PC. But you think it's crap because the "Ada Titan" is called the 4090 now. Congratulations... you've been played. Nothing, except the naming, has been changed. The prices, inflation adjusted, are largely the same. It's just that the goal post has been moved right before your eyes, and you didn't even see it. And that is why Nvidia is king: They're absolute masters at marketing.

so i know the case is super subjective, but like the lian li lancool 216 HAS to be the best $100 case right now, period 😅 you get two massive fans in the front and a solid 140mm fan in the back you wouldn't even need to replace, with room for all kinds of hardware and cooling, nuts value

@millerc82

6 ай бұрын

Seconded. Versatile too, handles vertically mounted GPUs very well.

@evilleader1991

6 ай бұрын

Montec cases are good also, Bitfenix Nova at around 60 bucks is also a really good deal

Awesome video like usual! On my side I’ll be waiting the 5000 series for a complete rebuild, hopefully that series will have lower price like it happened when going from 2000 to 3000 Just learned that you are a teacher that’s cool, what do you teach ?

@jtenorj

6 ай бұрын

He's a high school math teacher. Not sure what all levels of math he teaches, but yeah.

Set yourself a goal what experience you wanna get and target a specific experience instead of fixed budgets ... Like 1080p 60 fps AAA Or 4k 120 fps AAA Or esports pc

This is the first time i have a problem with one of your videos 😅 It doesnt have to do with the recommendation, i think they are really good! It is about the aproach. I firmly believe one should build a PC according to their monitor, otherwise there will always be money wasted on the wrong stuff. Also the price of an monitor upgrade should always be considered because it significally increases the price floor and shifts overall price/performance more towarda lower end builds. The performance targets imo should be around high settings for each resolution goal. And going from there one should start picking parts. But what do i know

@clankfish

6 ай бұрын

yeah i cringe when i hear about people buying super high end pcs but end up getting a cheapo 60hz 1080p monitor lmao, such a waste of frames and money!

@OutLanderUSN

6 ай бұрын

Yea. This should be the starting point. And with 1440p and 4k monitors coming down in price, those are getting more and more enticing. In theory we should start seeing the lower tier cards perform well at 1440p moving forward, and maybe even being able to do low settings in 4k.

@damianabregba7476

6 ай бұрын

If they are fine with resolution and framerate of their monitors they still get some longevity from beefier hardware. And they can downscale resolution from higher to get that extra AA.

@JackJohnson-br4qr

6 ай бұрын

But they have to start somewhere. If he is a student and this is his first PC he don't have any monitor to start with, right? Then it's reasonable if Daniel started with some budget and some GPU. That determine the resolution.

@Slayer666th

6 ай бұрын

@@damianabregba7476 exactly thats the reason why i included that you should build for around high settings. with that in mind you will also be able to play games in 4-5 years on medium/low. But i agree, for those build you also might want to go for actual „future proofing“ (a term that i hate) which is currently a reasonable factor since AMD just launched AM5s first gen.