Great presentation and really informative. As a private hire taxi driver i do between 800 and a 1000 miles a week. My 11 year old Toyota Prius Mk2 at 405,000 miles later is still going strong with little to no major issues during its lifetime. It can still manage 420/450 miles of range costing £53/57 to fill to the brim with petrol. This is roughly twice the range of the average EV and takes 5 minutes to fill up and pay for. I have looked at generating my own power with PV arrays and adequate battery storage for the whole house plus an electric hot water pump and 7.5 Kwh car charger. The total cost to buy a 25K EV and an adequate semi off grid modular PV system but relying on cheap off peak hour electric to charge the massive battery packs would cost in excess of £30K so now we are up to £55K. I am beginning to think that this climate emergency that local councils are claiming will force ppl into another form of debt slavery and once the 15 minute cities come to fruition some of us will be left with huge unpayable loans and may lose our houses as a result. This seems like a debt/poverty trap for the middle class to me but maybe i'm wrong.

@bobuk5722

9 ай бұрын

Hi, I think you may have missed an important point. Your taxi licence is soon to require that an electric vehicle is used. It's about more than immediate financial costs. You obviously do not operate in an Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle zone - and those are likely to spread..

Thanks for the video. I thought I was right but I wasn’t sure. Your video has proved to me that a fuel efficient diesel car is actually cheaper to run than an ev

Very interested in other costing videos. Thank you for your hard work :)

very well explained - thanks

Great video, on understanding the public charging based on your battery size.. Thanks that is really helpful for me

Cheers bud well explained

👀👀 very needed video !

Helpful video!

Very interesting, Thankyou

Thank you for the work on costs and your experince with public cahrgers, the UK is behind on building a reliable charging network, It would be good to see a full cost breakdown between two cars one electric on diesel. Buying new and running cost. 😀😀😀

Do this video again with the 1st October new price cap

Interesting video thank you for putting this out. It answered a lot of things I was pretty clueless about. My diesel Mondeo costs about £110 now to fill from empty but it says I have about 650 miles range to empty. I think on that basis I'm still quids in. I am definitely interested in an EV but I often do long-ish drives of 200 miles round trip or even each way or longer. These cost comparisons just don't add up yet. Especially the inconvenience. I Like the idea of an EV run about for local stuff though.

@SimonEllwood

Жыл бұрын

This video is very misleading and not at all a good video. Lots of spam in the comments section too.

@pprreejj

Жыл бұрын

Your opinion seems to hold even better with the energy price increases that are coming

@imranandimran

Жыл бұрын

@@SimonEllwood please clarify what's misleading?

Cost per mile is higher electric than diesel, this is really misleading a diesel car go’s at least twice as far as an electric on a tank of fuel

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Er, no it isn't Dave.... My Kia can take me 100 miles for less than £3. I charge my EV at home 95% of the time, and my running costs equate to less than 3p per mile. A fairly full charge - from around 25% full, costs me £4 or so. Even a 45 mpg diesel is costing around 20p per mile at todays diesel prices... I pay 7.5p per kwh on my EV tariff, and I can readily get 3.5 miles per kwh. I only use more costly public charging around twice a year. My local Sainsburys also offers free charging... A recent study concluded that a typical electric car can cost 80% less to run than a petrol car. Servicing is much cheaper too, with no engine, no ignition system, no oil changes, no radiator and cooling system, no timing or fan belts, no clutch, no gearbox, no exhaust system etc..... Oh, and I can "fill up" at home on my drive, which is handy. If you have a car with an engine, you *have* to drive to a filling station to get fuel..... and if you have a few solar panels, you can at least get some "fuel" for free. When I ran a petrol car I never spotted any free petrol anywhere.

@CrankCyclingChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh didn’t know solar panels were free.

@internetresearchagency2238

Жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh how long the battery lasts and what's the cost of replacement?

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

@@internetresearchagency2238 The battery comes with an 8 year warranty, and there are EV's with 10+ year old batteries, still going. Personally I wouldn't replace the battery, I'd have it refurbished at a fraction of the cost of fully replacing it. There's a KZread video of a UK owned Nissan Leaf getting a battery refurb at a well known independent EV specialist in Gloucestershire. The work took 4 hours, and the cost was £500.... So, the cost is on a par with having a new clutch fitted in an ICE car.

@internetresearchagency2238

Жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Replacing a 75 kWh battery for Model 3 costs around $16,550. Remanufactured packs cost between $9,000-$10,000, but brand-new batteries might cost up to $22,500. Tesla model S with broken battery kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnttq9yqoJm9h7g.html

Well this has aged in interesting ways: the Octopus standard rate is now at 25p, while your Gridserves and Instavolts will whack you at 89p per KwH. And at those rates, petrol is actually more economical. We just added a Mii electric to the household, and through the Summer it's charging off the roof, at basically zero cost (unless you amortize the sunk cost of the solar panels over 25 years, and subtract the FIT and any residual export). Still fulfilling the house needs plus the car though. It also means I'm not paying a thousand a year in petrol, so it is *amazingly* cheap to run. In the Winter i'll switch to the Octopus night rate, and be able to charge the car at 7p per KwH. Since it is getting around 5 miles per KwH, that comes in at less than 2p per mile. Petrol car is 14 or 15p per mile.

Rule number 1 if you are serious in helping people to save costs don't start the video by Showing a £50,000 car that's close to £900 a month 😳

Can you re calculate your spreadsheet now we know the October 2022 price cap rate - 52p per Kwh. Thanks

Soon the government are brining in the tax per mile for EV so it won’t be any cheaper, in fact it will cost more as prices for everything always rises

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

The pay per mile (Road Tolls) will apply to ALL vehicles, not just electric cars......

My Mercedes EQS came with two years of free charging which I have used extensively. My cost to charge at home is 16 cents per kw in Tampa USA, so a 75 kw charge would cost me $12 or £9.89 less than half of what you are paying in the UK. Our gasoline prices are lower also at $3.55 a gallon now. I am sure that the gas prices are much higher in the UK so even with the higher home electric charges you are probably saving a lot of money.

I don’t know electric van better then the diesel van. Now day I can fill my van tank VW transporter for £165. My van does £650 miles in full tank. I have seen electric van full charge 82 miles only. Can you recommend which van is better if I buy electric? I drive my van daily 100 to 120 miles.

He's missed a very important fact Here in the UK there is a carrot infront of the normies at the moment and that is high fuel costs, As soon as you're all in EV cars by 2026 that little smart metre you've all been tricked into installing is going to jack that car charge cost up over what fuel is today Not a lot of choice in the matter really

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

At the moment? You feel that might change at some point? I get the distinct impression sky high energy prices are here for some time.....

@SimonEllwood

Жыл бұрын

Made up nonesense, stop with the FUD.

@mbjac

Жыл бұрын

@@SimonEllwood ah, a normie emerges 😉

@waynecartwright7276

Жыл бұрын

as a rule of thumb 3 out of 5 Ev owners near my home have PV.

@tonybrown9875

Жыл бұрын

Yeah plus they lose charge in the cold. Its like buying a tank of petrol then coming out the next morning and you have a half-tank, or half-charge. Total load of crap. The elements used in these batteries are really bad for the environment, far worse than petrol or diesel or hell you could use ethanol from corn, so forget this greenie crap.

I have a Mitsubishi outlander 2019 which cost around about £32 or so to do a full charge which only does roughly 35 miles but I also have a BMW which does 44 miles to the gallon which is roughly depends where you get it from I’ll just say 8 pounds so obviously I use the BMW the most

So of I heard correctly ots about 25p to charge at home per mile and 50p charging public per mile.

Don’t think it’s fair comparing the price of filling up a tank of petrol vs charging. You typically get more than 200 miles with petrol. So per mile, I expect it costs twice as much (400 miles for petrol) using instavolt.

@mjs8792

Жыл бұрын

Also when you charge your EV there will be wasted kws which cars companies tend to avoid telling us about. Simply add 15% - 20% more kw to the 75 kw he calculated.

i’m still cheaper in my mini diesel. 46.00 to fill and avge 580 miles … commuting 80 miles a day. i know i will have to change in time . but for now this isn’t an option . limited ranges worry me as i feel we lack the infrastructure. i would like a transporter electric to replace my T5 … the range is so low.

The cheapest fuel is LPG is 75p a litre meaning if your car is LPG it would be cheaper than petrol and electric.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

LPG is dying though, with filling points being decommissioned and removed these days. LPG is a horrendously filthy fuel too, as the emissions during the refining are some of the worst. Of course the end user doesn't see this..... Plus some locations won't allow access to LPG equipped cars. The Channel Tunnel and some underground car parks for example......

Fck it, leaving one life... I will stick to my SQ7

OPEN THE PITS WE CANT AFFORD NOT TO

Depends on how and when you charge. On an overnight Economy 7 tariff you get seven hours of domestic electricity for under £0.09 per kilo watt hour. With a 7.3 kilowatt charger that's 50 kilo watt hours for £4.50. Fifty kilo watt hours will get you 200 miles with a reasonable 4 miles per kilo watt hour. My diesel will do 420 miles on a tankful so I would get the equivalent range with an electric car for the grand total of £9 instead of over £100 I pay at present. It's a no brainer for me. Yes, insurance can be more for an EV but that is more than offset by the value of the fuel savings and the much reduced maintenance. No oil to change, brakes last a long time due to regenerative braking. Even if you can cannot charge overnight at home daytime rates still work out cheaper. The costs go up if you use public chargers at motorway service stations although Tesla seem to have a reputation for not so expensive charge rates. Guess what, taxi licences are going to require the vehicle to be used to be zero on road pollution .....

I have just have to cancel my Electric vauxhall vivaro today Electric prices are gone through the roof 79p kw that will cost me £39.50 for a full charge on my Vauxhall and it only does 100 miles and I was looking forward to getting it not now

With fully charge getting about 220 miles £54 charge is extortionate

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. That isn't something you want to be doing too often..... I personally wouldn't fully charge if the rate was extortionate. I'd put enough in to get me to a less costly charger. That's where ZapMap and other similar apps are useful....

Interesting but..... My Mondeo gets on average including round town 45mpg. To fill it's 70l tank at £1.95 it's around £136 which will give it a 675 mile range. This equates to just over 20p per mile.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

My Kia eNiro runs at less than 3p per mile. I pay 7.5p per kwh on my over night EV charge tariff. Sure, public charging costs way more, but if you charge at home 95% of the time, the occasional few public charges on longer trips, pale into insignificance. It's a bit like buying a bottle of water from a service station on a long journey, and paying £1.30 for it. If you fill an empty bottle at home prior to setting off, it costs *way* less.....probably around a penny or less.

@Godlyhank

Жыл бұрын

most hatchback electric vehicles return 4 miles per kwh and if your a wizard 5 miles per khm, cars like the polestar 2 or the heavies are in the 3-4miles range, if we take the worse case scenario which is 3 miles per kwh (cold weather or summer with AC on all the time). 1 KWH is in winter to be around 48p. thats 16p a mile. at 4 miles per kwh that would be 12p, This is at October rates or current inflated fixed rates. once electric drops back to current levels (i dont believe they will drop it under what it currently is now...) that turns to 10p and 7.5p a mile... If a diesel is to be equal. you NEED to return about 60-65mpg (its possible on 1.6-2.0 diesels) at winter prices and around 90 mpg at current prices. And this is removing the people who recharge thier cars at night rate. Now public charging points especially this winter will be very inefficient i must admit. these should be centralised and not private. Fully government controlled.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Still very costly compared to a typical EV. My Kia eNiro costs me £8 to £9 for an average top up charge at home. This does me for 8 to 9 days. It works out at around 3.5 to 4p per mile..... Your Mondeo would need to nudge 200 mpg to come close......

But why were you on this tariff? My overnight octopus go never went above 9p per kWh. So about 3p a mile. For 4 hours over night give you about 70-90 miles range every night.

I have a Tesla model S 75Kwh and also with Octopus energy. However if you choose the correct tariff from them for EVs you can charge for 4-5hrs from around 23:30 at the price of £0.07p /KWh Charge on Tesla network £Free (for life) but that’s the deal I got back in 2018 😁👍

@welshtesla3319

Жыл бұрын

Also you don’t need to charge to a full battery. I top up from about 40% to 80% unless going on a long journey. If I charged to full each time I would overrun the amount of cheap hours and end up paying normal rate for the last 20-30% so drive and charge smart!

@simplydividends

Жыл бұрын

I'm with bulb and have yhe same sort of tarrif and it's still an option to switch to today

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

@@welshtesla3319 Exactly. A couple of shorter charges at the cheaper night rate does it for me too...👍👍

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

@@simplydividends EDF is the cheapest of the lot at 4.5p per kwh for their EV tariff, but the daytime rate is a bit of an ar$e twitcher..... I guess they have to make it back somehow....

@gordsjackson8109

Жыл бұрын

arse twitcher 😂😂😂😂 love that

Wow your electric rates are insane. In the Midwest of the United States I pay $0.11 /kWH for home electric. Costs me about $8 to do a 0-100 charge on my Mach E.

@usefulrandom1855

4 ай бұрын

We have proper EV tarrif, this video is a normal electricity tarrif. Our EV tariffs are £0.075 per KWH. 11cents is £0.09 so its actually a little cheaper. The catch is only about 4-6 hours overnight charging for this rate.

Just buy the Aptera Solar Electric vehicle coming out End of this year or 2023

So annoying there isn't a simple website calculator, like this lads spreadsheet

I'm with Bulb and have an EV tariff. Between 2am and 6am I pay just 7.9p pkwh. Then I pay a little more during the day at 31p pkwh. To charge my model 3 fully its £6.50 just using the charge time of 2am to 6am.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

A 4kw solar array would be handy, to offset that 31p per kwh day time rate though..... EDF's EV rate is 4.5p per kwh, but their day time rate is higher, at something like 34p.... No good if you have kids leaving stuff switched on etc.....

Would have been better to compare cost per mile as this isn’t comparing apples with apples. I.e a diesel can do 450+miles to a tank depending on the car

@WheatWaffles

Жыл бұрын

I think most EVs do around 200 miles so basically multiply whatever numbers you see in this video by 2 to get the petrol/diesel comparison

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

@@WheatWaffles I'd say your estimate is a little conservative. These days, even the more lowly new EV will be getting up towards 200 mile range - Corsa e, Renault Zoe. And usually, EV's from the next class up - Hyundai Kona, VW ID3, MG ZS EV (newer model) can all usually crack 220 to 250 miles..... And we're beginning to see the top end EV's - Tesla M3 Long range, Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Polestar etc, crack 300 miles....

Ev's are great for people who do low daily mileage but if you drive long distances then its not viable for most people.

the question we should be asking is, how much will it cost?......once we have no choice but to use electric?

Bicycles are the future 😂

My Kia Niro hybrid gives me 500 miles per tank with my style of driving, officially more than 600 miles. And the range doesn't drop in winter as much as that of an ev. So with my style of driving it costs me £75 to fill up so around £37 for 250 miles of driving. Not to mention the much cheaper purchase price when compared to an ev, cheaper insurance, cheaper tyre replacement. Much more economical in the long run compared to an ev and takes 2 min to fill up the tank again. I had put in a lease order for a Kia ev6 last Dec, so glad I cancelled it. Much cheaper to keep my old hybrid car as I now fully own it so no monthly installments. With the current energy crisis am planning to now keep it for another couple of years until I see where the economy is heading!

How about the cost for your time waiting for it to charge .

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

I don't worry about that, because I'm normally in bed asleep......

So according to your calculations is cost about same as would fill diesel car tank. So u buying used VW or Toyota or Honda or whatever for 6k and to fill full tank is about £95-110, but actual range car can drive still much higher than tesla or another EV. You can get 550-700 miles. So is like half more than typical EV and winter EV “eats” even more energy because it uses energy to maintain batteries temperature. Your comparison is incorrect and misleading as to match same range of miles on EV u would need to charge it for £72 (and that is if you charging it at home).. which is very close to diesel used car fuel filling price. Keep in mind - how much cost used and electrical car ;)

when you are burning wood this winter and your electric rates soar to rates so high you cannot afford to pay them, let us know how cheap that is for you.

Very very misleading video. Not once do you mention cheap overnight rates. I get 50% charge overnight on my tariff for the 5hrs cheap rate for £3. This gets me about 100 miles. Why are you on a standard tariff?!

Euro 6 diesel engine returns 60mpg😂in real world 🎉

And when they turn the grid off, what then???

@dagotommy4037

Жыл бұрын

Buy an Aptera Solar EV 3 wheeler AutoCycle all charged by the Sun 🌞

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

If they turn the grid off, then petrol pumps and oil refineries don't work either. So you'll be stuck too..... Are you aware of the difficulties involved in turning the grid off? It isn't just like switching a light off......... Exactly why would they turn the grid off? Turning the grid off would cripple industrial production. There would be thousands of traffic accidents due to traffic lights not working. You wouldn't be able to buy food, because the EPOS tills in supermarkets wouldn't work. Electric trains could not run. Quit being silly and overdramatic.........

@SimonEllwood

Жыл бұрын

Stop with the pathetic FUD. What if aliens come down a burrow into your brain. Stop living in fear and making up nonesense.

Best to charge at work for free😀

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Or at Sainsburys for free.....

🤔it's good NOT to be a fanboy! Fully Charged say circa 40% UK EV owners CANNOT charge at HOME ! so if you want to ADD TRUE VALUE to your viewers, perhaps this fact should be part of your considerations while making content... 🤔

BS

This video is very misleading as most EV owners use an EV tarrif which reduces the cost considerably. Very poor video.

@waynecartwright7276

Жыл бұрын

yes you can charge less than 30p a kwh at podpoint rapids at lidl. seems he never gets a free charge anywhere either

@marekkompus6109

Жыл бұрын

So how much is at Lidl full charge???

@SimonEllwood

Жыл бұрын

@@marekkompus6109 30p a kWh, how much it costs for a "full charge" depends on how many kWh you need to fill up your car. 50kWh for example would be £15.

@marekkompus6109

Жыл бұрын

@@SimonEllwood that’s £15 home charge ? 7kw ?

@SimonEllwood

Жыл бұрын

@@marekkompus6109 How much does it cost to fill your car?

Thanks for explaining that, I've not looked at buying Electric cars before. I must admit I'm shocked at the cost of charging I just assumed it would be about £5 to charge overnight 🫤 I don't see any advantage in owning one now tbh