How much do you pay for the EU?

Statistics and figures can be very deceptive. This video explains a few effects that distort the figures of contributions to the EU by the Member States. Using the 2015 operating budgetary balance we try to give a more nuanced insight into the net cost of the EU. Regardless of your opinion about the (cost of the) EU, nuanced facts make for a better discussion.
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  • @Menwulf20
    @Menwulf206 жыл бұрын

    You should have way more subs, very high quality content

  • @hydrogigantialista

    @hydrogigantialista

    4 жыл бұрын

    EU needs more subways ...

  • @rogercash2595

    @rogercash2595

    2 жыл бұрын

    sorry to be offtopic but does any of you know of a trick to log back into an instagram account? I was stupid lost the password. I would love any assistance you can offer me!

  • @kevinforest9829

    @kevinforest9829

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Roger Cash Instablaster =)

  • @ex0stasis72
    @ex0stasis723 жыл бұрын

    “Be aware of those who speak in absolute numbers” I couldn’t agree more. And that goes for more than just this topic, which I still don’t understand. As an American, when I hear absolute numbers quoted on TV comparing us to other countries, I scoff at that. I want to know how much x per capita something is compared to an other country’s x per capita. With absolute numbers, most numbers are going to look bigger for the bigger country, and that doesn’t prove anything.

  • @jaimemozas2452

    @jaimemozas2452

    Жыл бұрын

    Only a sith deals in absolutes

  • @TestWizardROTMG
    @TestWizardROTMG6 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Hope you make some more soon :p

  • @LeftThumbBreak
    @LeftThumbBreak5 жыл бұрын

    EU policy effects different countries in different ways. Simply looking at direct cost does not account for differences in policies that can favor one country vs. another. Those policies can have large economic effects on some countries that would be extremely hard to calculate. An example of this would be immigration which if the EU sets a broad policy obviously has a larger effect on countries that have more potential immigrants.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Very true. As we try to explain in our video the effects, costs, and benefits of the EU are extremely hard to calculate, so be cautious when someone gives exact numbers.

  • @MarkWilliams-mo5ic

    @MarkWilliams-mo5ic

    11 ай бұрын

    Wow the unelected corrupt parasitic eu government without a country no people no commodities how does it finance? Member states corrupt home governments trick taxpayers into financeing it! Why? Because member state corrupt governments own and control the corrupt unelected parasitic eu government run by meps to undemocraticly force unpopular laws on member states populations lol

  • @jamesjoseph2941
    @jamesjoseph29416 жыл бұрын

    Holy moly, this is so detailed!

  • @fullderp5419
    @fullderp54196 жыл бұрын

    this is an awesome channel, just found it and will recommend it to my friends

  • @kjartannn
    @kjartannn4 жыл бұрын

    i like this channel, each topic is looked at without freshly without bias

  • @Nublus
    @Nublus6 жыл бұрын

    Good job! You'll get lot more views soon.

  • @Quyanxi
    @Quyanxi5 жыл бұрын

    Have got to watch it again. It really is very complex to relate to easily. But your videos are very coherent indeed. So, thanks for the great content.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Hope watching it again helped:)

  • @keirawang1463
    @keirawang14636 жыл бұрын

    can't wait to see more! Please continue to update more subs.

  • @bruxaffa
    @bruxaffa5 жыл бұрын

    Really excellent work. Thanks for that!

  • @aakarshitarora6615
    @aakarshitarora66156 жыл бұрын

    Nice work! Keep it up!

  • @tim19962
    @tim199626 жыл бұрын

    great video

  • @SkNero
    @SkNero6 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I'm pleased!

  • @envysart797
    @envysart797 Жыл бұрын

    Ireland just recently became a net EU contributor, but the amount of investment we received up to this point has been great. Ntm ireland gets things beyond money in the EU - like access to the single market which would cost a lot of money in tariffs if we weren’t members, and being part of the common defense area. Which is good because Ireland doesn’t have that much of a military.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    Жыл бұрын

    Very true. The many benefits of being part of the EU can clearly be seen in countries like Ireland.

  • @PavelKahun
    @PavelKahun6 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a patreon or something similar??

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    6 жыл бұрын

    We did not until this morning :) But since you asked, we thought it might be an idea to start one. We'll add goals et cetera as soon as possible (suggestions are welcome ;) )! you can find us here: www.patreon.com/Ciceroni

  • @frankjost2701
    @frankjost270110 ай бұрын

    Over 90% of expenses is not for keeping the institutions going. Member States only agree to a budget if they are sure to maintain at least the same net receiving position. They keep hostage the Union for their selfish financial interest. It is urgently necessary that the EU splits its budget into two, one of which for the functioning of the institutions. Once that is decided, Member States may decide on every thing else, ie the subsidy programmes. A second change is needed for subsidiarity. The EU should only contribute in accordance with the European added value. Funds to individual farms should be banned. As soon as countries are in the same range of per capita income of + or - 25 % of the average, their entities should not be entitled to European subsidies.

  • @TheDominock
    @TheDominock6 жыл бұрын

    Why Germany is the biggest contributor? What does classify this country to do so? Why some countries get benefit from the participation in the EU more efficiently? Btw great content

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    6 жыл бұрын

    The largest part of the contributions to the EU by Member States is a percentage of a country's GNI. Germany has (by far) the largest economy in the EU. As such, Germany's GNI contribution is much larger in absolute numbers than those of the other Member States. I don't think it is correct to say some countries "benefit from the participation in the EU more efficiently" than others, based on net contributions. Countries like the Netherlands pay more than they receive from the EU, but that does not mean they don't benefit greatly from the EU. But when looking solely at the contributions, the reason some countries receive more than they pay is because the EU money that flows back to the Member States is partially intended to help develop the 'poorer' countries. With these additional funds the countries can develop faster and better, which is turn is good for the EU as a whole (stronger economy and market as a whole). Rich countries like Germany obviously receive less than poorer Member States. So when looking solely at economical/financial benefit, some countries profit from the EU directly (by receiving more funds), but in the end it is beneficial for the other countries as well.

  • @TheDominock

    @TheDominock

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ciceroni Thank you for the extensive and valuable answer.

  • @Zouzart
    @Zouzart5 жыл бұрын

    How can I find the sources and documents that you used ? I lovef the video but would like to do some research on the subject and need scientific sources for uni (assignment on UK customs duty ) - Ciceroni unfortunately doesn't count as one ...

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Happy that you liked our video and too bad your professor won’t allow our video as a source ;) You can find the expenditure, revenue and operating budgetary balance per country, year and programme here: ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/2007-2013/index_en.cfm Some basic information on the budget per country here: www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html Most of the other information we used (e.g. population, GDP, average salary, et cetera per country) can simply be found through Google, I won't post all the links here. Is this what you were looking for or did you have something else in mind?

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y
    @user-cd4bx6uq1y Жыл бұрын

    Very cool

  • @TidePodChan
    @TidePodChan6 жыл бұрын

    What great videos

  • @yasinwaghat6096
    @yasinwaghat60966 жыл бұрын

    Can you talk about Brexit, want to know then affect on Brexit to EU budget, parliament etc.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Yasin, we are not entirely sure yet since decision making and negotiations are still ongoing, but it would surely make an interesting video, so we'll do our best:) We did just made a video explaining revenue and expenses of the EU though. Throughout that video text boxes give information about the Commission's proposed changes for the new budget (post Brexit), some of which have to do directly with Brexit: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqdh27upmaXLmLw.html As for Parliament, the UK seats in Parliament will probably partially be divided among some Member States, while other seats will remain unused for now (possibly to be used when new Member States join). www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/eu-affairs/20180126STO94114/eu-elections-how-many-meps-will-each-country-get-in-2019

  • @Pan_Z
    @Pan_Z2 жыл бұрын

    Is there anything in the EU simple to understand?

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    2 жыл бұрын

    “‘EU’ stands for European Union.” That is a simple thing to understand :p

  • @UltraRik
    @UltraRik Жыл бұрын

    4:10 this is profoundly misleading! I had to close my business when they put a double 25% VAT on my supply! I lost out much more than a netflix subscription equivalent, and so did everyone else who was buying my goods which were 10x cheaper than in interspar konzum or lidl! EDIT: i understand this video was published a bit before it happened but i have to say this..

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    2 ай бұрын

    Sad to hear you had to close your business...

  • @dexmir1
    @dexmir15 жыл бұрын

    "Average Bulgarian makes 521 euros a month" DUDE wrong it's about 300 at most if we are talking about averages.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    I just googled for some more sources and I cannot find anything to back up your € 300 claim. Where did you get that? The closest I found was a Reinis Fischer report. It says the average salary in 2014 was € 333. In 2018 it is € 586 according to them (€ 457 net per month).

  • @WalkerOne
    @WalkerOne Жыл бұрын

    When it gets this complicated to know if you are getting your moneys worth, you will eventually get robbed.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m afraid any government will be somewhat complicated in today’s world. If not, it cannot provide what is needed…

  • @laurie1183
    @laurie11836 жыл бұрын

    This is a good video if all you care about is money. Personally I'd argue "your county abandoning any level of sovereignty" as being a cost that is far too high, yet it has nothing to do with money.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    6 жыл бұрын

    While money is probably not the most important aspect of the EU for most people, strangely enough it is often used as an argument against the EU. The ‘350 million Pounds a week’ from the Brexit campaign is only one of the many examples. In light of this, the main point of this video is that its rather complicated to say exactly what the costs and benefits are, even when talking only about money. So, like with all information, be critical of these absolute numbers. I agree that it is much better to discuss the value of the EU along the lines of arguments such as your own. However, I am curious why you think abandoning any level of sovereignty is bad? You have handed over some sovereignty to local and national governments, why draw the line there?

  • @laurie1183

    @laurie1183

    6 жыл бұрын

    I am an individual and this make the decision to accept the resignation of my authority to a monarch, or the retainment and redirection of my sovereignty through a governmental structure. Subject or citizen, an individual only surrenders their authority willingly. The function of states is to thus function in a manner which benefits those who have accepted the authority of that state. If that state is unable to maintain and exist within itself, then the individuals who live within that state become irrelevant in the management of their own affairs and thus the state they live within ceases to function in the manner of a sovereign state and becomes at best a subject to another state or at worst merely an edifice designed to subjugate a naive populace. Or simplified for people who don't study international politics: sovereignty is important because individuals are subjects/citizens of their countries, and thus that body needs to answer to them or act within their interests to gain any level of legitimacy. If your nation surrenders its authority to something else, it's essentially erasing its own legitimacy and its own value in existence. Super short TLDR: The EU basically is a state at this point. (Also fun note. Nations are unified groups, states are what you would call countries. The Flemish are a nation, the Netherlands is a state. A state that corresponds to its nation is a nation-state.)

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    6 жыл бұрын

    First of all, you don’t really willingly surrender to the government. In practice you have very little choice, the only possible alternative to surrendering is moving somewhere else (where you’ll most likely be forced to do the same, just to another government). Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that you surrender some of your sovereignty on a number of levels, even when speaking only of government. Why is it a good idea as for example a German to surrender to the municipality, the state government, and the federal government (and for the lower levels of government to surrender their sovereignty to the higher ones), but is going ‘one level further’ to the EU suddenly a dramatic loss of sovereignty?

  • @laurie1183

    @laurie1183

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes, you really do willingly surrender to your government. If you didn't you know then feel good for you have a series of options. Enter into politics in order to reform it, thus only partially surrendering to government, leaving the state, breaking the law on a regular basis as it suits you, demanding special privileges that create laws that allow you to become a modern day aristocracy (I cannot even put into words how utterly ridiculous the idea of a hate speech law is), going into the revolutionary business, or becoming an active anarchist and resisting at all given opportunities. Even if you entirely fail you can just refuse to do anything you're told to do. Sounds childish, but depending on your morale compass and the state you live in then absolute refusal may actually be the rational option; see North Korea for a good example of where telling the government to go shove it is probably a moral good, if not a particularly long lived solution. And no, I'm not encouraging any of these. They're examples. If you really want to do what you want to then move to Somalia where the state has completely failed and build your own nation there. You may get shot though so fair warning. The issue with Europe overruling countries is because nobody in their right mind is going to die for Europe, and if nobody is going to fight for a country that country is worthless. You might consider yourself to be from Europe, but you know full well you're not Hungarian and they know they're not from where you're from. You have no real shared identity with the other people in Europe beyond a vague geographical location and you'll note the Tibetans aren't really enjoying that idea much. I gets even worse if you're from Britain or Malta or Sweden because then you're not necessarily on the same land mass or even the same general area. The only reason the EU even has so much power is because so many people in Europe no longer have the spine to justify their own existence. This also causes notable issues with policing and the military, and you can look up Ancient Rome if you're curious how that works but if not here's a short crash course. You station Greek troops in Britain, British troops in Germany, and German troops in Spain. Your troops will have no loyalty or genuine membership inside of the places where they're stationed so they're more likely to follow less savoury orders and will more readily fight to protect themselves against the angry civilians, who will see them not as their own but as an example of foreign occupation. This keeps your soldiers on side, and it keeps your subjects under your rule. It also guarantees a win-win scenario because you can stir up national tensions and smash parts of your Empire down whenever you need to so long as you maintain enough focus and competence to do so.

  • @michieldenuijl7464

    @michieldenuijl7464

    6 жыл бұрын

    Can you really say someone is "willingly surrendering" their sovereignty if the alternative is, as you put it, to get shot? It's like saying you willingly parted with your wallet because the mugger held a knife to your throat; I don't think the mugger's defense - "But he gave it to me willingly! He could have chosen death instead!" - is going to hold up in court very well. Besides, all of the alternatives for willfull surrender you mention can also be applied to the EU: you could enter politics and become an MEP or a minister in a national government and therefore a member of the European Council, you could leave the state and emigrate to a non-EU country, you could break the law, etc. So how is "willfull surrender" to a national government distinct to the "willfull surrender" to the EU? I also wouldn't be too sure about no-one willing to die for Europe. True, I don't see a lot of people waving the EU flag or singing Ode to Joy with their hand on their heart. But consider the following scenario: if Russia chooses to invade the Baltic states (not entirely unthinkable given Russia's meddling in Ukraine and Georgia in recent years), all NATO countries - many of them EU members - would fight alongside each other. I also don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine that non-NATO EU members like Austria would also join in, given how intertwined their economies and politics are with the rest of the EU. And personally, although I live far away from the Baltics, I would definitely be worried if the Russians invaded it, and I would support my country going to war over it, too. This may not technically be the same thing as "willingness to die for the EU", but the result is pretty much the same. I also don't quite understand your point about the Roman Empire. Romans in Britain didn't regard Roman soldiers from Greece stationed in Britain as foreign occupiers, but as fellow countrymen. Besides, the Greco-Roman soldiers would probably speak at least some Latin and the Romano-Britons would speak Latin (plus Greek for the upper classes). The Romans in Britain would be far more concerned about the Picts and the raiders from Hibernia next door than Roman soldiers from other parts of the Empire. Instability in the Roman Empire had almost nothing to do with modern-day nationalism, and much more with ambitious generals who promised their troops a nice paycheck if they marched on the capital and made their man Emperor.

  • @tijnaikes368
    @tijnaikes3686 жыл бұрын

    I am verry suprised that there are no people disagreeing with you saying things like damm eurocrats

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sorry, I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. Could you elaborate please?

  • @tijnaikes368

    @tijnaikes368

    5 жыл бұрын

    sorry for the bad English what I tried to say was, that I was surprised that there were no people who left hate comments (like eurocrat) on your'e video's. but keep up the great work

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ah I understand now :) Well there are plenty of people leaving comments expressing their strong dislike of the EU, but we don't tend to catch a lot of flak ourselves. Possibly (and hopefully) because we mostly try to keep to the facts.

  • @kjartannn
    @kjartannn4 жыл бұрын

    yeah farage's bus is starting to make a lot less sense

  • @letsgoraiding

    @letsgoraiding

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stop talking bollocks. That wasn't Garage's bus- he was part of the Leave.EU campaign, not the Vote Leave Campaign whose bus that was. Fuck the EU.

  • @Doomedcreatures
    @Doomedcreatures5 жыл бұрын

    you didn't account for cost of living

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    That is why we accounted for average wages. It's not entirely the same but still :)

  • @Doomedcreatures

    @Doomedcreatures

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Ciceroni1 yeh its not the same

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Haha no its not, but the point is not to make a perfect analysis. These figures are all averages etc. if you would want the exact cost per tax paying citizen, you would have to keep a lot of other things in mind. But this simple analysis gives a basic overview :)

  • @opeel1
    @opeel16 жыл бұрын

    It would be nice to see the auidted accounts.... Oh yeah we can not!

  • @curtiscarpenter9881
    @curtiscarpenter98813 жыл бұрын

    If you look at the money we have paid the EU surely that should give us some leeway in negotiations. Even so the cash now saved can go to furlough workers and subsidies jobs.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    3 жыл бұрын

    How do you intend to use the "cash now saved" for subsidies? I thought that 350 million a week was going straight to NHS. I'm sure they can use it with all this COVID going on. As for leeway in negotiations: you could look at the fact that the Brexit vote was in June 2016, that is more than 4 years ago now. Since then leeway has been given with multiple extensions for the UK. Considering it's the UK that needs time, not the EU, to figure out what they want, get their internal stuff in order, try to negotiate new trade deals, et cetera, I think the EU is giving a lot of leeway. Besides the extra time and extensions, the EU has given generous space for the UK on the contents. For example by making very clear, from the beginning, that rights of UK citizens currently living in the EU etc, will not be an issue. So with the bad negotiation position the UK has (going back to basic trade rules if it doesn't get its act together and agree on new terms), the EU is being more than friendly in all of this.

  • @kelvinpang438
    @kelvinpang4386 жыл бұрын

    6th

  • @TotalJustinGaming
    @TotalJustinGaming6 жыл бұрын

    can you make a video how we can get rid of it asap?

  • @falsevacuum4667

    @falsevacuum4667

    6 жыл бұрын

    That would bring economic ruin to Europe and only facilitate the interests of non Europeans. What's your point? The EU is a dictatorship? Laughable. If you have watched the videos of this channel, you would know that simply isn't true.

  • @jasonkingshott2971
    @jasonkingshott29716 ай бұрын

    The biggest con since Charles Ponzi.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    2 ай бұрын

    Why do you think?

  • @jasonkingshott2971

    @jasonkingshott2971

    Ай бұрын

    @@Ciceroni1 To name just two, the German-Franco project sorry, the EU is an anti democratic, uncountable organisation.

  • @arnljot9030
    @arnljot9030 Жыл бұрын

    In short, the richer Northern Europeans pay for more. Meanwhile Eastern Europe and Southern Europe receives more.

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    2 ай бұрын

    You could say that. But the Northern countries profit a lot from the fact that the other countries' economies are growing and are stable. It is good for their trade and great for the international standing. Northern countries on their own would not be able to have a strong negotiation with for example China, but the EU as a whole does. So in some ways it costs countries money, but it also creates a lot of wealth.

  • @norskasbj1
    @norskasbj16 жыл бұрын

    How much do you pay for the EU? TOO MUCH !!! My country is the 2de largest net contributor to the EU, only Germany pay more. Now that the UK 3rd largest net contributor will leave the EU, we will pay even more. Mainly for countries like Poland and Romania receiving Billion and Billon. Our debt represent 97% of our GDP, we can not let the EU stole our money. Hope we will have a referendum and leave the EU, I will vote for FREXIT without hesitation.

  • @herculeskoutalidis1369

    @herculeskoutalidis1369

    4 жыл бұрын

    how much % of your taxes go to the EU?

  • @simonjandrell5897
    @simonjandrell58975 жыл бұрын

    yes we pay Billions and get nothing but lots of Poverty in return, thank you so much

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    So what did you think of the video?

  • @simonjandrell5897

    @simonjandrell5897

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Ciceroni1 very well researched, but not a EU Fan at all, all they gave Britain is Poverty and the people a Headache

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks ;) I would very much be interested in how the EU gave Britain poverty though. Could you please explain?

  • @simonjandrell5897

    @simonjandrell5897

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Ciceroni1 gotta laugh just read the UN Report this year, it has been this way since we joined all those years ago, why do you think the people of Britain voted to leave, 40 years of poverty and food banks after all this time got a bit to much for everyone

  • @Ciceroni1

    @Ciceroni1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Could you tell me where in which UN report it says the UK is poor(er) because of the EU? And while this might have been the reason for people to vote leave, I don't think leaving will suddenly increase the wealth of the UK. Time will tell... Hopefully it won't be too bad for you guys...