The one fear I have and I am sure many people have is battery degradation. The example of the Tesla owner who blew up his car because Tesla wanted to charge him $20,000 to replace the degraded battery and he posted the video. The fear of battery degradation is thrown out with NIO, just go to a swap station and change the battery.. That simple.

@richardikus7216

9 ай бұрын

You pay a super high premium for that.

@dennista42069

9 ай бұрын

With every swap the battery is also checked and if there is some faulty or bad one, NIO will takeit out of circulation.

@stigronnysuleskard5299

9 ай бұрын

@@richardikus7216 What premium? When you rent the battery you don't pay for the battery when you buy the car. That is money saved up front. On average you need 7-8 years to "pay" the cost of the battery. But already now we have the benefit of getting a new battery with new chemistry that can charge up to 180kw, that is a massive improvement from 130kw on first gen batteries of Nio. Add to that, that Nio will be able to also increase capacity in the coming years. All with the same car... No need to buy a new car for the better range... IN Norway we now pay 2000 NOK per month for the rent, including 200kwh of charging and 2 free swap fees, that is a no-brainer to go for.

@richardikus7216

9 ай бұрын

@@stigronnysuleskard5299 yeah, maybe a no brainer in norway

@tonygrant3062

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely and a lot more to come when those 8 year warranty run out, or when new mot laws come in soon on battery testing... Next year I think it is... what about the tesla owner that tesla locked out his own car cos he would not stay quiet about its faults... search tesla scandal , or tesla lawsuits, the unpublished scandals at tesla is shocking.. from fault cover ups , lies about self driving, racism... the list is endless

Nio have done a fantastic job. Kudos!

The nice thing is that swap is a choice, you can also charge (et5 t 180 kWh). Not to mention the business of electricity arbitrage. The implications of the infrastructure that Nio is building are many

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

The electricity arbitrage is a really interesting aspect 🤔

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

It will also lower the price of electricity during peak hours.

@evkx

9 ай бұрын

You only have 180 kW to the first swap. Then you end up with an old slow battery.

@dennista42069

9 ай бұрын

@@evkx Batteries get checked with every swap and at a certain level they get taken out, so you rather end up with an old battery when you own one as you do with swapping ;)

I think there is another big advantages for swapping: The car will be independent from the battery life time. If battery technology improves you will get a better battery in the future at such swap stations, too.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Good point ☝️

@brianwong4803

4 ай бұрын

correct ， in China we already can upgrade our battery from 75KW to 100KW with rent fee . Range hikes from 460 to 610

@ItsOnlyElectric

4 ай бұрын

@brianwong4803 thats awesome

I love this video, no one really talks about the perks of battery swapping. Not only is the battery charged slower/safer but also the power grid is under less stress. With more and more renewable energy sources that don't have a consistent power output, this is a very nice feature of the swap station. In china, there was a power shortage last year and some superchargers weren't operational becasue of it but PSS's were in service and even helped stabalize the grid by providing power to it. These are some perks that noone is thinking of when it comes to battery swapping :)

Yes to swap stations.

In China the average time is 4 minutes. So it comes out 360, but you have to take into account that there will probably be little demand between 1 am and 5 am, so the more realistic capacity is 300 Swaps per day.

From a pure consumer perspective I don't understand why anyone would argue against having a car that is capable of home charging, super charging and battery swapping to replenish the battery. Keep up the great work on these videos!

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Agree! Thanks for watching

@GapModel1

9 ай бұрын

There is no argument but company like TESLA don't want to spend the money to build the infrastructure so they convince the sheep that it's not a good idea.

@yoyyaesta4808

9 ай бұрын

Unneeded Costs. That is why NIO will fail.

@doubledownlxt9566

9 ай бұрын

@@yoyyaesta4808 thanks for the positivity buddy! Need a hug?

@thomaskim3128

9 ай бұрын

And future proofing, when better battery comes along.

I don't think battery swapping is meant to compete with charging at all. It is designed to help people wean themselves off gasoline. With nio you don't have to change anything in your daily routine, you don't feel the difference anymore. And to those who say that building any such station costs too much money, it is much cheaper than a gas station. The price is also not a problem because there is an arbitrage section, the stations buy electricity at night at a bargain price and sell it at the peak of demand, thereby balancing the grid and also creating huge profits for nio. Battery swap stations also prevent power outages, if there is a problem and the power supplier decides to supply power, then all the battery swap stations in the area will automatically start within ten seconds to supply power instead of the central supplier until the problem is fixed. If on average every two weeks the total time of power outages is half an hour, and believe me that in most places the average time is much higher, then this means that every year 13 hours of power outage will be saved, assuming that each station will last 20 years, and this means that each station will save an average of 260 hours, multiply it by say 100 thousand inhabitants, and that means that an average battery swap station will save about 1.3 million hours a year, how much is an hour of power outage worth? Say $30, times 1.3 million, $39 million a year. Even with a tenth of that, 4 million dollars a year, even with only one hundredth of that, even with only 0.4 million dollars a year. Therefore there is no reason to worry about the price of each station or the risk of nio going bankrupt.

@NomadWalker-io3ne

9 ай бұрын

nah, you can't buy at night and sell during peak if people are constantly changing batteries, it needs to charge it back up right away, grid stabilization is a service they can provide if grid providers are willing to make a deal with nio because grid stabilization requires selling electricity during peak hours and buying back electricity during peak hours, so you need a deal with the grid provider to pay you a higher price when you sell it during peak hours compared to the price you pay when you buy it back during peak hours

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

That's what I thought too, but no. The electricity grid itself is public, the provider is a private one. You actually sell electricity to the consumer, and use the state's electricity grid to do it. The electricity is offered to every buyer, so you don't have to ask the supplier. This is something that has already been done today.

@NomadWalker-io3ne

9 ай бұрын

@@tani123 no not true, you do need them to provide you a higher rate for the electricity you sell or else you aren't arbitraging anything. nio has made deals in china and run tests to provide such a service, you sell the electricity during spikes and buy it back seconds after at a cheaper rate. also here here in america at least most of the grid is privately owned and a lot of states won't pay you the same rate for selling solar power to the grid. and no idea where you are at that you can sell the electricity to the consumer directly, they pay the electric company not you nor nio, here in america it reduces your electricity bill from the electric company when you sell electricity to the grid.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Your arbitrage is the public. The public wants electricity sometimes more, and sometimes less, so you buy when less and sell when more. The electricity network in China is owned by the state and it sells the electricity that passes through it in exchange for money. Of course the arbitrage is not for a few seconds because then the profit is zero. Nio already sells such chargers for a few thousand dollars, a charger that can charge your car, then feed the electricity back into the grid and sell it at market price.

@NomadWalker-io3ne

9 ай бұрын

@@tani123 that's not how the arbitrage works for nio power swap stations, they sell it and charge it back literally seconds after, that's why they need to make deals with the energy providers for the grid. you can only buy and sell electricity to the people maintaining the grid whether it be a private entity or the government, there's no way to sell electricity to individual consumers via the grid.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, nio is the only one that's really ready for full robotaxy. So someone has to plug it in every few hundred miles. Nio only needs to do one over-the-air update, and it will already be fully autonomous.

Future proofing to support inevitable improvements in battery tech AND logistics for robotaxi needs.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Really cutting edge for taxis!

I would also like to add that swap is the only possible way forward for EVs. Imagine what will happen in 10 to 15 years to all EVs, they will have damaged batteries and will no longer be able to drive, the cost of repair will be higher than the value of the vehicle. Can you imagine the environmental damage of millions of unusable, unrepairable batteries? From an environmental point of view, the swap is the best way to go.

@evkx

9 ай бұрын

I dont see a future for SWAP. The future is more structural batteries to reduce weight. SWAP also limits the flexibility for innovation since you would need to consider old batteries. Just wonder how NIO will handle that ET5T have a upgraded 100kWh battery. ET5T could end up with a slower charging battery after an swap.

@protagonist9716

9 ай бұрын

​@@evkx Structural batteries would be most difficult to remove once their life runs out. That's the least green option and also fast charging reduces battery strength

@evkx

9 ай бұрын

@@protagonist9716 there is no data available that indicate any reduction of physical strengt based on DC fast charging. Sounds like fake news. But structural batteries are problematic in many ways. B2M batteries can replace falty modules. That is difficult on a Tesla Model Y with structural battery. See our webiste for how a structural batteyr can be removed (technical batteyr article)

@PhilthyMr

9 ай бұрын

@@evkxwhat ? NIO has a semi solid state 150 kWh battery available. The ET5 does just fine with it. In fact. It gets 1,000 KM range. No problems with charging exactly the same or swapping to a 75 or 100 kWh battery. Whatever your needs are. Any questions ?

@evkx

9 ай бұрын

@@PhilthyMr the 150kWh battery still had to be put in the same size battery body. And it is not available yet. Nio have taken delivery of the first from the producer. but have not starting rolling it out. We have written about in in our battery technology section.

Great video and it's fast ( Did you asked ICE vehicle owners if its ok to take 30-60 minutes to fill up their tank 🤣😂😂),i love it you can upgrade if you like 75kWh to 100kWh or soon to the 150kWh new tech, as you like and you just rent it for a day or 2 if you need long trip or just in the city, this is great i pay according to my needs. $NIO are part of the future.

I think swap opens up flexibility to owners, think about those people that live in high rise that unable to charge at home. But one thing about comparing to charging, yes 1 swap equal to 6 charging station, but the 6th person who line up for swap still need to wait for 30 minutes. Personally i think the best is to also have a handful of charging station next to the swap station so people can't wait can go charge instead of swap. Secondly, i think nio needs to make the infotainment/AC/heater usable during swap.

@nobigdealllll

9 ай бұрын

That's what their app does to bring you to the swap station with shortest queue. Yes, ac is available now in China although fan only

@TeslaDo_d

8 ай бұрын

@@nobigdealllll Rolled up windows with a fan will be a death sentence to occupants trapped within for 5 minutes during Phoenix summers....not kidding. Welcome to the NIO easy bake convection oven!

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

AC off for about 3mins in total. Station has a roof, so no direct sun, and you car is probably already cooled before swapping. Do you still don't think it's possible?

@TeslaDo_d

8 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric In the southwest US, the swap station will need a garage door and the entire bay would require cooling. I would not take the chance....let the attendant sit in the car if someone must be inside. It would be interesting to see a video from someone in that region to know how quickly it becomes unbearable, Florida and Texas too. I would also like to see an entire day's timelapse during a snowy day. How do these systems protect themselves from the ungodly amount of undercarriage crud that will be dropping into the robotics. We have carwashes that can't make it through a few hours until the catch basins must be cleaned to remove the dirt, salt, and sand buildup in the worst conditions.

Swapping seems like it has so many more advantages. The car owner isn't tied to a bum battery, and it also allows for charging if that is more convenient. I like the versatility of the Nio. Great job China!

great idea to combine swap and charge

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Yes, agree!

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Swap is good for cities and busy roads, while charging is good for villages and places with less demand.

what you doing is amazing, Keep up the good work

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoy it. 👍🙂

I think NIO should add green light indicator in the swap station to indicate when the swap is completed

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

There's a "traffic" light inside the station that turn green when ready to go.

@coz2j69

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric Great

@coz2j69

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric Great

@nicoev4851

9 ай бұрын

It’s there actually

OMG that is so cool!

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

Yes, a really cool tech

This is one of the best and interesting part of NIO..

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

It's the core for sure

Great video! BaaS is really a breakthru idea from NIO. All the concerns of battery lifespan warranty goes away and NIO owners get access to the latest battery improvements from NIO. I am surprised not more EV manufacturers are licensing this battery swap technology from NIO.

@ItsOnlyElectric

7 ай бұрын

Yes, maybe will come later, but think it's hard to get other manufacturers on board, since it's dependent on your platform and demands a lot of adoptions. Thank you 👍

NIO blue sky coming 👏👏👏

500KW charger...holy smoke. I also see the limitation of the installation of fast charger because of the grid. There is no perfect solution but by just having the option of swapping or old school charging is amazing.

Also, new generation batteries and not stuck with old battery in the vehicle.

NIO 😍

good

It's not about swapping vs charging. It's about having the option to do both! NIO is definitely on the right path.

nice..

It makes a lot of sense, at present, to do battery swapping. The only concern is that investment of battery swapping station infrastructure is heavy. It requires a large battery swapping user base to make it commercially sustainable.

The future of cars ..Nio Share Holder long and strong

This what we need on EV battery swap station for future nio nio

Winter charging speeds are less so swapping is better. All the fast charging speed are for good weather. Preheat the battery still take energy from battery and reduce the mileage. So winter I think swapping is better and do not need to worry about health of battery

I hope they will have succes in Europe

I would applaud if Nio wasn't losing like $30k for every car it's sold but the fact is it's still burning cash and it will dilute shareholders more and more to raise more liquidity. So beware folks. It's like We work when the beer and drinks are free but then u realize there's no more money.

This is a great concept. How many companies are doing swaps? This should be the standard for EVs.

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

Not many. S global standard for swapping would had brbb great.

When multiple vehicles simultaneously charge at a supercharger station, it is possible for the charging speed to be slower than expected. This phenomenon can be attributed to several factors, primarily linked to the power supply limitations of the charging infrastructure. One significant reason is the constrained power supply at the supercharger station. If the station's power supply is limited, attempting to charge multiple vehicles at once can result in a division of power, causing each vehicle's charging speed to decrease. Furthermore, the impact of simultaneous charging can vary depending on the infrastructure and management of the charging system. Some supercharger systems are designed to provide high efficiency even when multiple vehicles are charging concurrently, while others may experience speed reductions due to the increased load. Therefore, it is crucial to consider the characteristics of the charging infrastructure and the specific system in use when planning for simultaneous supercharger usage or charging.

Nice to see you got the PSS G3 in Sweden 🇸🇪 . The calculation from NIO is too optimistic. In best case could be 288/24h. The main difference is also that here are 21 batteries 🔋 in the PSS what makes it possible to provide a charged battery all five minutes at least. Because the batteries will be charged all in parallel if necessary. Also this PSS could play a better role in power grid stabilisation. In future it should be possible to parking 🅿️ beside the PSS and walk away, than the power swap will be done fully autonomous. That’s pretty much better than to charge. But NIO car could be charged at super chargers or even at a 220V/10or16A Socket at any place. 30Mio Power Swaps achieved just three days ago and 2000PSS in operation speak for themselves. BTW NIO has their biggest Charging network as well, besides Tesla Superchargers. 👏👍⚡️🔋🏁

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

Good points ☝️

Thanks! Very informative as usual. Can you do an et5t 10-80% charge on the nio chargers with the new charging speeds?

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Peaking at 182kWh and keeping that peek last up to 70% before tapering. So a good and flat charging curve.

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

​@@ItsOnlyElectricwow, thank you sir!

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

@reginald7214 NP

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

He asked you to check it, is it also with the 75 kilowatt battery? How long does it take in reality to charge when it reaches over 70 percent accuracy? You know such questions.

Keep the reaserch coming on nio.

Great video...IS the swap station in a BUSY location(lots of people walking by)

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Yes, centrally located in the harbour area of Stockholm.

@harelbenyosef8743

8 ай бұрын

​@@ItsOnlyElectric not enough swap station right now i guess. With more and maybe dual car swap station, one on each side it will work better

I`m totally into swapping instead of charging.. reasons why ? 1: you will be able to get the latest battery tech in your car. 2: it`s sooo much faster, how often do u in your normal doing, go in to buy coffe/toilet, when tanking your ice car ? well pretty much never, why should u with EV ? thats only if driving longer distance u might do it. 3: if my calc isn`t to much off, u have 1440 minuttes in a 24 hr, time periode (24x60), if taking the 6 chargers and the 30m + 2x2,5m for start stop the charging so total 35m charge time in average, u will be able to do 246 cars in a 24hr. periode.. so just there u see the swap station crushes normal charging places. 4: in China (not yet in EU) they charge up the batteries when the power prices are low, and if not to heavy pressure on the PSS, they send it back into the grid when the prices are high, this means 2 things.. 1: Nio earn money, that can benefit us as coustomers 2: if enough PSS that do it, it can stabilize the powergrid and by that the prizes, so we dont get those massive pumps in electric prices we have seen the last 2 years or so. 5: if the battery u swap have startet going bad in cells, they can get ut out of circulation, repair the damange cells, and get it back up running, with out having to condem the whole car.. and all these reasons are why i`m pro PSS, and pro Nio. :)

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts 👍

how much battery each swap station has in store ? it must be able to predict how much demand in the area ..

@ItsOnlyElectric

5 ай бұрын

Up to 23 packs

Several big factors. A Nio's cars is not "married" -death do us apart, to the battery. Meaning that if the battery goes bad your car is worthless. Second, I believe that fast charging overtime will damage battery versus slow charging when you swap a battery. I conclude that theory just by dealing with battery most of my life.

@ItsOnlyElectric

4 ай бұрын

Agree, good points!

underestimate of charge swap... ie.. parking... and... good info.... Nio should do well.. I think..

I was on a European road trip and I came across a Nio swap station at Zusmarshausen. I checked it out and I must say this would not be something I would do. Nio told me you can only swap their LEASING batteries. Leasing the batteries is very expensive (I can't remember the exact Euro amount. I think it was something short of 300 Euros per month). At the time there were only 3x (three) swap stations in whole Germany! That means even if you pay that high lease you still have to charge and pay for electricity. If you OWN the battery you can only charge - no swapping batteries. It has to be seen how Nio rolls out further swap stations looking at the amount of debt Nio has already accumulated over its existence. I believe progress in fast charging batteries will make swapping those obsolete in the near future.

@EduruChan

8 ай бұрын

Then buy the battery and charge…nio gives you option By the way, it’s not 300 euro

@JohnSmith-oh9iv

8 ай бұрын

​@@EduruChanHow much is it then? €290 or so as I remember...

@dominikkomorowski7906

7 ай бұрын

Ye only 3 statuon beacuse they just came to europe,you expect to get 1000swap station in 1 week?its take time to develop infrastruxture😂

@ItsOnlyElectric

7 ай бұрын

30 stations in Europe now. Show growing fast.

How you like EL7? Now comes with 88k off and 50% on winter tyres

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Review recorded and postprocessing the material now. So stay tuned for release soon. :)

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

​@@ItsOnlyElectricnice. You'll like the es6 more tho if you prefer the et5 driving dynamics to the et7 .

NIO is pretty unique company but there is one logical downside if the company sell one car using BAAS then nio profit dumps because they need to eat the cost of 2 batteries.1 for the car and 1 for charging.Thoughts?Other then that great concept

@ItsOnlyElectric

7 ай бұрын

Yes, the overhead cost for operating the swap stations is high. But will get less in a linear scale bound to the sales of cars. One sold car does not mean that you need to add 1 extra battery to a station. Maybe it's more like 1:20, 20 sold cars needs one extra battery.

Swap swap

NIO car owners in China rarely charge, they only replace the battery, and have the right to use it multiple times for free because there are many NIO service stations.

I also read that the swap time varies by temperature and weather conditions, though I need to find out the details why.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Yes, in cold weather swap will for sure take longer due to hearing of both battery pack, bolts, machanics etc.

TESLA experts says that fast charge actually does not damage any battery at all, but is it really true??

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

No that's not true. All batteris take damage on to extensive fast charging. But you need to fast charge it alot to see the difference.

Its clear no one has really thought this kind of thing through. It takes the logistical challenges of an EV, the production challenges of EV batteries and general resource issues surrounding those batteries and makes them 10x worse.

@ItsOnlyElectric

6 ай бұрын

10x times worse than what if I may ask?

@thunderbug8640

6 ай бұрын

​@@ItsOnlyElectric There is a lot to this but to be as concise as possible while getting across the main points. Batteries are why EVs are expensive. The resources are rare and hard to get and unlike most things EVs need them in massive quantities when talking mass adoption scale. So, the cost of needing extra batteries for these hot swap stations will either be tanked by the company (not likely) or passed on to the consumer (likely). Secondly this idea doesn’t mitigate the issues of power grid usage and increased energy demand, since these batteries still need to be charged. So doesn’t have any benefit here. You need to produce more batteries for less cars which is inefficient from a manufacturing emissions perspective, because you undermine one of the alleged benefits of an EV by creating more of the most polluting bit of the car to manufacture; the battery. Then comes the issue of resource scale. If you look at the avg consumption of the rare materials used in batteries and compare that to proven reserves, there isn’t enough of the stuff to replace every ICE vehicle 1:1, its closer to 1:2. Now you’re also needing a shed load of spare batteries which means that 1:2 ratio will likely become 1:3 or worse. Which means the 17 years of EV production (at current car manufacturing rates) goes down and makes putting all the eggs in the EV basket (like governments and not corporations) want to do an even bigger mistake. EVs are a part of the future for cities and towns with smaller cars (like the Honda E) which take less resources and where local emissions are an issue. However, for the reasons above large-scale adoption is just not possible. Ironically corps are the ones actually building the stuff required for a sustainable low emissions future by diversifying into carbon capture e fuels and hydrogen fuel cells, not because they are benevolent but because they think long term for revenue and profit and see how short term EVs are if they were to be adopted wholesale. So if you ever needed a great example of how government virtue signalling is bad this whole EV thing is it.

What version of banyan did the car have during the test? 2.0 might improve the overall speed

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Not banyan 2.0.0. An older version

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

But tried swapping the ET5T with banyan 2.0.0 on a pss2. Took 6:28.

@djtreston

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric cool thanks! Gonna try it out for myself in Maastricht when it opens in a fews or so 👌

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

@djtreston cool. Let me know how it went. 🙂

@djtreston

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric Will do👍

So what do you pay if you get there with 10 kwh and leave with 100 kwh? You only pay for the 90 kwh?

@ItsOnlyElectric

4 ай бұрын

Yes, plus a service fee.

So where is this station?

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Centrally placed in the harbour of Stockholm.

I didn't hang around, but does he ever mention needing to wait in line?

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

No he didn't. 😁 Hard to do the math with queues. But 2 factors will limit the queues: - the car schedules and plans the swap for you, one factor is queue and battery availability at the stations within reach - when queue too long you fast charge But yes, queues will occur. -

@timower5850

8 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric So, now you're at the car's beck and call, or you fast charge anyway. As of yesterday, Nio announced plans for 11 more models that will use ss batteries developed in partnership; much longer range, quicker charge time. They're looking to get out of this swapping insanity.

What’s the cost?

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

I think two swaps is included in the monthly BaaS subscription. For additional swaps I think the swap fee is 10€ and the you pay for the actual kWh (the delta between the two batteries). Not sure about the kWh price but probably in the same ballpark as when supercharging a Tesla.

Like the theory of battery swapping. Prices of the Nio’s with BaaS is still high compared to other EVs, what do you think?

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

I don't think the entry price with BaaS is that expensive for a premium oriented brand. But togheter with the battery it gets a bit expensive and cheaper models will be needed. But as I understand it that will com under another sub brand.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

In 2024, a brand should arrive that sells compact ev vehicles for 30,000 euros, (it is not clear with the battery included) and it will be able to swap batteries, and charge at a rate of 500 kilowatts, although apparently if you choose BASS the charging will be limited to 130 kilowatts in order to maintain the health of the battery.

@jeroen6390

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric if Nio wants to get marketshare, their price needs to align with Tesla while offering higher quality experience. Otherwise the Charging network and Tesla experience will probably keep attracting people to Tesla and not Nio etc. Let me know your thoughts

Would have been good to do also a swap with the 2nd vehicle to double check timings are overall consistent

Nice video and analysis 👍how's cost worked out? and compared , as i believe that now the swap is there, battery needs to be maintained by the company hence they will need to add to the cost of charging. Though time factor is definitely a big plus, its harder to see this as petrol fuelling, because not all companies will come onboard with managing the batteries once a car is bought. Hence Neo will be left alone doing this, meaning lot of cost for them and no other company will be using their batter swapping, because either car owners own the battery or not, can't have a middle path. So from customers point of view, its good , however will be hard for many companies to adapt and use in common, as battery standardisations will also be issue. Dunno if anyone in NIO has thought of all these, i'm sure they have, or maybe not 😅 I'd rather spend money on improving charging networks and reducing the charging time.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Regarding costs every swap has a free of ~10€ then you pay for the actual kWh delta between the two batteries, don't know the exakt cost for that. but around the same kWh cost as on a supercharger for a Tesla owner. But two monthly swaps included in the BaaS lease.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Battery SWAP stations know how to finance themselves by other things. (arbitrage, preventing power outages) and mainly by bass. They don't need more companies to be profitable. But you are right that since the capacity of the exchanges is much higher than the demand of nio buyers, (especially in Europe, because in China there is one station for every 200 nio vehicles, and also many of the stations have a lower capacity) then and therefore if nio manages to close a deal to switch to the platform of nio, maybe with Ford, or BMW, or maybe even a bigger company like Hyundai, Ioniq 5 or 6, of course such a contract would have to include the construction of a lot of SWAP stations, which would be very helpful for nio owners in Europe.

Damn, 5 minutes and 8 seconds including parking. Thats faster than filling up with gasoline 😅😅😅 4 minutes and 31 seconds not including the parking. Dayuuuuuum.

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

Yes it is

whats the address for this swap station

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Palermogatan 8, 115 56 Stockholm

How much does battery swap cost? (Compared to charing it via DC)

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Did break that down in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/i5aej7t7eZWfYbA.htmlsi=DvjXwr4qXuu4qUR2 See the description. But two monthly swaps included in the BaaS fee.

Why dont they combine it with a car wash

Why does NIO swap stations have the car start in a parallel position?? Serious waste of time. The driver should simply drive up to the opening (back end first) (or front first) and enter into the swap bay directly with driver assist. then either the driver can pull out the other end or driver assist it as it backs out of the bay. this could shave a minute +/- off the total bat swap time.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

I thinks that depending on the space surrounding the station.

Swap stations are a good idea but unless utilized by other EV makers, they become brand oriented much like power tool batteries. But unlike power tools, we're talking an actual, physical building that takes up space. If it's by brand only and with EVs by several manufacturers, if swapping becomes popular, it's going to become a cluster of swap stations.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

A global standard as for charging will be necessary

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Nio needs to invest a lot of money in building a better and cheaper platform than the competitors in the platform market, anyone who uses nio's platform can use nio's battery swap network.

The idea is good but the numbers don't fit together.... it can swap 144 batteries a day (around 11 batteries an hour), it only holds 21 batteries ? the stock will only last 2 hours.... so unless you supercharge 11 batteries every hour, they will not be charged when next needed. and again, this will only work if the station has enough power and internal charging possibilities to charge that.....

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

The swap station charges the batteries in stock. With 21 batteries in the station the station has 105minutes to refill the last arrived battery if the demand is constant and every swap takes 5:20.

@JesperSkelgaard

9 ай бұрын

but then you can't slower charge them to make them last longer as written in other comments. but i agree. it should be possible...though if their own 3.3 min swap it will be hard :)

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Battery swap stations can charge 21 batteries together at a rate of up to 100 kilowatts, usually he receives batteries with around 25 percent, and he needs to charge them to 90 percent. which is only to charge 65 percent of a battery, so you only need to charge 65 percent of 75 kilowatts, less than 50 kilowatts, and that means that every half hour we get 21 charged batteries, multiplying 48 gives 1000 batteries that can be swapped in 24 hours. In short, what limits the capacity is the swap time and the parking time.

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

@@JesperSkelgaard the station charges at a speed dependent on demand. It can fluctuate. The gen 3 stations can also sell electricity back to the grid. The electric company can digitally request energy when they need it. In China at least. Europe will use coal before that option. 😂. But like the other guy said, batteries usually don't arrive with 0% in them.

What's the time of backing into a Charger, Exiting the car, opening the charger door, removing the charger and pluging in, getting out of the car when the charge is finished, removing the charger, closing the door and hanging the charger up, finishing any transactions, getting back into the car... ?? I think the NIO is driving away in the time it takes in Charging "processes" alone... If you're going to compare "Staging" on SWAP.. compare "Staging" on Charging... js

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Yes, i calculated every charging session as 30minutes that's includes hassle with the manual process. But good point, the swapping is more convenient for the user.

Cost. What is the difference in the cost model. Not just for the consumer, but for the supplier. And what about the mechanical running of a swap station; how many moving parts does it have? What happens when the swap station breaks a moving part? How long until it can be fixed and brought back online for customers? I understand that it's a different dynamic, but that must also work in practise all day, every day, for years. And this is almost like the argument of EV vs ICE. Reducing the number of moving parts is a huge efficiency gain. So why is the industry doing the exact opposite here? This does not make wholistic sense.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Good questions. Don't know the actual cost for nio for running and establishing a PSS.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

A day in which they provide 60 toilets per station costs them less than $250 per station. If something breaks in the station, there is no reason for that to happen, but still, then it needs to be fixed and it will probably disable the station for about two days. Depends on how bad the damage is. nio now has 26 stations in Europe and will have a thousand by the end of 2025.

@TeslaDo_d

8 ай бұрын

@@tani123 NIO will be bankrupted by this idea by the end of 2025. They are not passing the true cost of a 'battery swap' on to the consumer. I estimate that the actual true cost of each battery swap in nearly $50USD. This includes all the costs associated with the swap station, its constant maintenance, its constant monitoring, its leasing of the space/real estate, the depreciation of each of the batteries, the power consumption of the station and the battery charging, and a myriad of other minor costs too. It will never be cost competitive with a cord from a Tesla supercharger (which allows you to use the restroom and buy food/drink while charging). The battery swap idea is a great idea....for the consumer, but not for the company who is hiding the true costs. NIO to ZERO.....3 years or less.

@TeslaDo_d

8 ай бұрын

I think the upcoming NIO bankruptcy will be fun to watch. Leased batteries will be considered 'assets' of the company. They will either be confiscated or offered to the owners of the currently installed vehicle (I hope your last swap involved a good battery that wasn't fast charged too many times?) for a premium so that as much money as possible can be returned to investors. The true cost structure of the swap stations is being hidden. It will never be economically viable.

@ItsOnlyElectric

8 ай бұрын

@TeslaDo_d Interesting calculation. 50USD per swap, do you have more information about that? A rough calculation indicates an avarage swapping income of 26 USD. That's without arbitrage of electricity and other potential incomes from chargers etc.

If you have a few cars ahead of you the advantage disappears very quickly. If you have 3 cars ahead of you that would bring it to 20 minutes not a major time saver.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Yes, and if you have more, you charge instead.

Who owns the battery? I like to look after my battery and would not like to swap for an ill treated overused one. I think it is a long hard route for Nio, they can only replace their own model, whereas dedicated chargers can fit all models, time will tell if it is a Betamax or mini disc. Not for me.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

You don't need to lease the battery, possible to buy also. But get your point

@David34981

9 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, but that's a really bad take. NIO has the ability to check for AND repair their battery packs better than anyone else. Exactly BECAUSE the batteries are swappable. Every time the battery is swapped, its SoH is assessed automatically. If it has bad cells or any other issue they are able to repair them without having to disassemble an entire car. Apart from that there is no actual reason to believe there will be that many ill-treated overused batteries in the pool. Because they will often be swapped (BaaS allows for a certain amount of free swaps which makes it more attractive than ultrarapid charging), they will be charged less at mind-numbing power to a high SoC than e.g. Tesla batteries are. NIO batteries are also high-capacity packs (minimum 75kWh) which makes it really not necessary to charge to 100% often. So many packs will be swapped or charged at a low charging power, with a charging limit, which is the ideal recipe for battery longevity. Then there is the simple fact that if you want to own the battery and never swap it, you absolutely can. But in my opinion that would not be smart because of the above, and the fact that swap allows for better battery technology (higher energy density, lower weight, better safety, etc.) to be absorbed in the entire fleet without any issue.

@barr96

9 ай бұрын

NIO swap stations automatically healthcheck the batteries. Besides, even if you had a battery which developed issues, then guess what... battery swap means you aren't stuck with the battery welded to the car. PS simple for most folk to understand 😅😅

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

Nio has the most private company physical chargers in China.. more non nio use them than nio owners and catl and nio have a separate joint company that owns the batteries if you are renting.

It will "replace" ZERO "supercharger" ! Swapping is absolutely useless as charging speeds and ev ranges continue to rise 😉

It took so long to retrieve the new battery. Also car can reverse in one go.

@SpaceBound-1

9 ай бұрын

They should have a smaller high voltage battery to keep the car alive during swap. People should be able to get in and out of the car during swap from one side at least. They can lock the doors on the other side.

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

Sure, the drive thru stations they have are even better.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Most of the problems you presented are problems that will be solved in the near future by over-the-air updates, you no longer need to be in the car during the exchange, at least in China, you can do it through the nio app, the screen already works in China during the exchange, but at least until NT3 the AC will not work.

Good calculations. NIO has done a great engineering job, but battery swap is not the right path for cars, it's too much overengineering trying to solve a problem that does not exists, we can stop 20-30 minutes after 200-300km, no problem with that. But perhaps in motorcycles could make sense because they have less range. Perhaps.

@__OniZuka

9 ай бұрын

you can swap OR charge

@tonygrant3062

9 ай бұрын

Problem does exist though 😂😂😂, people in queues for charging , battery degradation, battery gets out of date or damaged , better batteries out but stuck with old one , battery test becoming part of mot soon also , why not have a battery that can be swapped or charged .... when you can have best of both worlds

@__OniZuka

9 ай бұрын

@@tonygrant3062 not to mention baas, and also possibility to swap for a bigger range battery only when needed.

@yoyyaesta4808

9 ай бұрын

@@tonygrant3062 when you think you have best of both worlds you are just overengineering, increasing errors and costs, and reducing performance. Less is better. Do once right, dont do twice. Nio took the wrong path, and thus, it will dissapear

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Try to get by with an iPhone that can make phone calls, but can't connect to the Internet. Nokia could have said "The iPhone is going to fail because it is trying to get the best of both worlds and thus creates an excess of development, not only to make a phone that is good for phone calls, but also a device that is good for connecting to the Internet, there is no way it will succeed" we will talk in 2028.

Tesla photobomb @1:57 😅

This brand specific "solution" will always lack the scale required to make it economical. Do realize that with the option of home charging the number of charging station will be only a fraction of the number of gas station and mostly limited for use for extensive trips. With home charging you will be able to start each day with a full charge. Think about how many times you leave your house now with only half or less of a tank of gas....

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

Nio did 77,000 swaps yesterday. That's not a typo. You are thinking first world charger in my garage logic. They also have the largest private plug in charging network in China.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

@reginald7214 77k swaps in one day? That means that every fifth owner swapped his or hers battery in one day. Sounds a bit high, do you have a source?

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric then Mr p had a video saying yesterday 10/3 was 77k as opposed to the 75k in the article from last week.

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric I put a link so it disappeared. CNEV POST dated 9/29/2023.

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric Nio provided 75,673 battery swaps on September 28, an all-time high for a single day, with battery swap stations along highways providing 16,779 services, the company said today on Weibo.

Very impressive EV tech, why Nio stock is not over $100 is beyond comprehension cause if Tesla had this tech the whole world would have been kissing his rear end beyond what they are already. Nio’s marketing department needs to all be fired and if this crazy oversight comes from the CEO WILLIAM Li, then he needs to be removed by the board of directors.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

The fact that the stock is at a ridiculous price is beyond my scope of knowledge, holding over ten percent of nio, which means he lost over 9 billion dollars from the drop in the stock. But he is not stressed, he is only busy with increasing his life venture as much as possible in the long run. The marketing people, they worked so hard until they reached a 60 percent market share of electric vehicles at over $42,000, or rather 300,000 yuan. And I remind you that China is the largest car market in the world and also the most competitive in the world. There is zero tax, zero tariffs, and lots of money poured into Chinese industry before the bubble burst.

pretty amazing tech.. considering how many EV in china are exploding or having serious issues... i would wait lol

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

And how many EVs are exploding or catching fire in china compared to combustion engines and how many promille are we talking about?

@Al-hk6yi

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric following little bit the china thing from inside seems numbers are a bit allarming.. something that honestly I don't hear happening in other countries or from ev e\o battery producers elsehwere, there are a couple of very interesting yt channels that literally talks about truths and facts... related to china and damnnn ! trough years we all learnt how many things are in china produced with defects to save on costs... again just my mediocre point of view.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

NIO already has over 400,000 vehicles on the road. Many of them have been for over 3 years. All report very high quality.

@Al-hk6yi

9 ай бұрын

@@tani123 mmhh.. are you talking about those lands containing thousands of ev vehicles parked right after registration wich china do to pump numbers and look good ? than yes 🤣 its ridicolous there's no country int he world doing such stupid things plus ! ... the related pollution they are causing its absurd.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

Nio works in a direct-to-consumer sales model and therefore publishes the deliveries it has made to the consumer.

Thats wrong information for the viewer. The first station is in Norway

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

No, not the first PSS3 station.

Pretty stupid idea for several reason.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Share your thoughts

@kwunder123

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsOnlyElectric 1) It is extremely expensive to build the swapstations 2) You lock in a lot of batteries in the stations instead of residing in cars 3) Proprietary technology, no standard so would need stations for every manufacturer 4) Not really necessary since charging time is sufficiently short using a 300 kW charger giving 300 km in 30 min and so much more cost effective. 5) I would be worried that the electrical connections would degrade after many swaps.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

@@kwunder123 thank for sharing 👍

@Svarog0815

9 ай бұрын

@@kwunder123 You need to consider that the charging speed gets drastically reduced if other EVs get charged. Not only when using the same charger but the whole "park". I encounter that problem on german highways and its frustrating. And it will become a bigger problem over time. Swapping as a luxury solution seems tempting.

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

SWAP stations know how to finance themselves with other things. (Arbitrage, preventing power outages) So even just as batteries with a two-way charger that is connected to the grid at high voltage, they are very profitable. A 150 kW charge destroys the battery, try to think how much an 800 charge destroys the battery, and also as already mentioned here, swap stations are equal to 9 stations, not nine charging piles, no, 9 power stations, when you see a Tesla charger there are most likely Only one power station of 250 kilowatts if there are two vehicles then only 125 if there are 4 then 62 kilowatts, not to mention that one power station and 4 parking spaces are roughly the size of a swap station, maybe we will talk about the queuing problem performed by Tesla according to the law It's the rule of whoever grabs the luggage first, which can sometimes cost you half an hour and is a really negative incentive for fights instead of a regulated and automatic queue. Not to mention that if you buy a Tesla today you will never get more than 250 kW, if you want rear wheel drive you will only get 170 kW. Should I continue or the point has already been made.

Swapping is a gimmick. Also is only good for EVs that match the Nio battery. How many superchargers does a swap station take up? I prefer to pull in and start charging right away. If there is a line at a swap station, you need to stay in your car until the whole thing is done. And A/C shuts off which is not good.

@ItsOnlyElectric

9 ай бұрын

Less than 6 chargers and 6 parking spots.

@iSot80

9 ай бұрын

You should investigate more before commenting, if this is your best knowledge about this. For example with regular EV your options are: regular slow charging, fast charging and home charging. With NIO your options are the same but there is one more option and it is swapping the whole battery to charged. If there is a line in swapping station, you still can charge your car same way than regular ev-car do via cable slow/fast charging. So in your opinion, what is the problem?

It’s all pointless. so you have one station. That can swap one battery. Other cars have to wait?? How many swap stations will you have in one location and at what cost? Whose battery do you own? What is the wear and tear like on you vehicle ? Sorry but I would just let my car sit for 20mins and go to the bathroom:

@tani123

9 ай бұрын

wait for 4 minutes, and everything is based on an automatically structured queue with the help of nio's advanced software. The cost is 10 euros per change but two are included in BASS. There is no reason for them to put two in the same place since it takes so little time to change each battery. The battery you receive will be a battery that has undergone a comprehensive battery health check before it is delivered to you. Batteries in sub-optimal condition are removed from circulation. You may prefer to charge for 45 minutes from zero to 90 percent, but know that your preference is based on myths.

I'm sorry but it won't change anything, it is costly to implement and to maintain, with little to no benefit. Looking forward to more super/hyper chargers and improvements and cost reduction to battery standards

@reginald7214

9 ай бұрын

You own a model y and are here hate spamming against nio? Jealousy is a bad look, fanboy. Take your embarrassing looking vehicle somewhere else.

@iSot80

9 ай бұрын

You seems to be very happy with your current EV-car setup. So please allow for others the better tech. Battery warranty must be in EV-car at least 25 years or 500 000km. Before that there will not be proper used EV-car market or cheap EV-cars which could be reliable option for less money. With current battery tech, It will take another 5-7 years when those EVs batteries are done and after that those cars will go to recycle bin.

@cristianionascu

9 ай бұрын

@@iSot80 You seem to be of opinion, that my comment could somewhat sway Nio to abandon their swapping stations. Its approach will stay niche, if it survives at best. Pretty much the way of hydrogen cars a their stations, albeit less costly. I can understand fear of costly battery repairs out of warranty, though. And yes, I pretty much think that having a multilevel charging infrastructure is the best compromise.

Wow, that woman speaking must be a Chinese army general 🤣🤣

I like the concept but would rather have European company doing this rather than Chinese. I rather keep driving gas cars but its nice that other people are given more choices with the EV stuff.