If you were a survivor in this world and you found out Joel committed humanity to that life what would you do?

@Shuichisaihara5499

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. As much as I love my younger step sister, I couldn’t condemn humanity for her.

@SRFArtandAudio

4 ай бұрын

Let's face it. Life in a world like that of TLOU is way more interesting. I'd probably be friends with Joel. Not to mention if you find all the voice recorders in the hospital it leaves you knowing that there was 0 guarantee they could accomplish anything from the experiment. It was a long shot to begin with, so condemning Joel is a stupid debate that needed to stop a couple months after the first game came out.

@vegeth1775

4 ай бұрын

Man at that point humanity is doomed and it's not Joel's fault, yeah maybe if all infected were to die or the fireflies could have found a cure then it could return like before but I really doubt it. Many people in the apocalypse unleash their true nature and do everything to survive, like the multiple bandits and cannibals in the game, instead of trying to recreate a society like Maria and Tommy did. What would guarantee you that if there were no more infecteds then they would return like before and tey do collaborate. Also the fireflies weren't totally sure that the vaccine would have worked so why risk the life of the one you love to a gamble. Honestly I agree with the selfish decision of Joel, I would help Jackson get bigger and obtain more territories with proper defenses and patrols, farm food and have animals for food ecc... Clickers aren't that much if you keep the perimeter safe and they aren't intelligent, sure they would evolve in thing like the Rat King but if one person like Abby took that monstrosity down then immagine the power of a well trained group of survivors.

@niahoad

4 ай бұрын

I would not condemn him for acting out of unconditional love.

@SvalbardSleeperDistrict

3 ай бұрын

@@niahoad That's what they call "twisting it to suit a narrative".

What people don't realize about Joel is that he had a high enough kill streak to summon an attack helicopter, but took his death like a champ from a group of campers

The fireflies never really gave Joel an incense to trust them lol

In the game hidden files. They were not even sure it would work for the cure.

@EmperorofRoshland

4 ай бұрын

plus the fireflies could use the cure for evil. Also if Ellie was immune, i think that there should be at least a couple dozen people like her around the world.

@SRFArtandAudio

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for being someone that paid attention, and has a memory.

@tylersaurus4702

4 ай бұрын

Sure, but isn’t a chance a chance to take? Especially when Joel knew she wanted to? The fireflies didn’t give her a choice, but by killing everyone in that hospital he robbed her of the chance to make that choice later. He forced her to live in a broken world that she could have saved. She may have meant something if it worked, and the science behind it too. Science is basically all estimations and guesses, as soon as i started to play the game all those years ago and Ellie mentions they’re going to make cure, in my head I was correcting her saying they could because nothing is ever 100% certain when it comes to science. Lives have been taken in real life in the past in an attempt for the greater good, such as the invention of penicillin, the first antibiotic. However, that death was useful and helped millions, billions of lives to come. It was a chance, a risk, but a risk worth taking. It just doesn’t sit right with me that people are trying to justify a man slaughtering an entire hospital and claiming he was justified because he wasn’t. I’m not hating on Joel, I love Joel, but what he did cannot be justified, it was hypocrisy too. He claimed they didn’t give her a choice, but killed everyone in that hospital to PREVENT her from EVER making that choice again, and to top it off, he then lies to her face about it.

@craigthompson168

4 ай бұрын

Maybe if they had just given Ellie the choice, Joel wouldn't had to have done that. She didn't know she was gonna die from it. Yeah, she may have wanted that, but there was never consent. Joel did the right thing. @@tylersaurus4702

@fireflies6009

4 ай бұрын

@@tylersaurus4702 even if the cure was created how were the fireflies going to get to the rest of the world while being gunned down by fedra, dealing with the hunters and the hordes of infected (it was difficult for them to reach salt lake city) plus being few in number. theres also a chance that the cure would have been used by corrupt people as leverage. you said killing the fireflies robbed her of a choice she could have made later on- how??? after she was found she was prepped for surgery and was going to die? literally had no time to choose anything. Even if the cure worked how was humanity going to be restored? would people like the hunters and David's cannibal society just magically become moral?

I had no problem with Joel's actions at the end and the blame lies ENTIRELY on the fireflies (at least in how it was written) for various reasons. 1) Joel was entirely in his right to see and talk with Ellie at the end. Just in general and to confirm that Ellie was told and understood that she would be killed. 2) How stupid can Marlene be that she denies him and then kicks him out with a death threat. You know Joel and how much of a badass he is and his willingness to kill if need be. What did you think was going to happen. 3) there was no indication given that Ellie was actually told the surgery would kill her. She may have thought about that in an abstract way but it is much different when it is imminent and staring you in the face. To rob her of that choice was wrong and the presiding doctor should have known that. 4) killing the golden goose immediately seems like a stupid decision anyway. She is the first seen that is immune. I am sure there are plenty of other things that could be done first. She traveled all that way so she wasn't going anywhere. So in the end, it's not Joel but the Fireflies that are to blame based on the scenario presented by the writers

@jholmes553

4 ай бұрын

There are a lot of things to blame the Fireflies for and at least in part, they are to blame for their own downfall and not just from that last act of the TLOU Part I. But absolving Joel of all accountabilities is just not right, in my opinion. It's not like talking to Joel would make him change his mind. Joel already knows and partially agrees that the good of the many outweighs the few. "Find someone else" he said - meaning he would have been happy to help if the 'sacrifice' wasn't Ellie. And even if the Fireflies didn't tell him what they were going to do to Ellie or even if the Fireflies told Ellie and Ellie agreed to it, you really think Joel would still let that fly? Given the mental and emotional state of Joel at the end of TLOU Part I, it is abundantly clear that whatever the Fireflies did if their goal is still to create that vaccine which would require Ellie's sacrifice, Joel will still mow them down. Even if (and maybe especially if) they somehow succeeded in sacrificing Ellie to create the vaccine. Joel will come after them.

@ryanschroeder5200

4 ай бұрын

@jholmes553 I do think if Joel was able to talk to Ellie and Ellie told him she knew what was going to happen, and they would have given both Ellie and Joel some time, he would have relented. You aren't wrong in his characterization and in that vacuum, void of Ellie's better angels, that's what he defaulted to though for good reasons. I don't think he would have disregarded her wishes given time and the ability to talk/be with her. In the end, it's a fun discussion to have and we both could be right. It's all a fiction, but a really good fiction 🙂

@tylersaurus4702

4 ай бұрын

Sure, but isn’t a chance a chance to take? Especially when Joel knew she wanted to? The fireflies didn’t give her a choice, but by killing everyone in that hospital he robbed her of the chance to make that choice later. He forced her to live in a broken world that she could have saved. She may have meant something if it worked, and the science behind it too. Science is basically all estimations and guesses, as soon as i started to play the game all those years ago and Ellie mentions they’re going to make cure, in my head I was correcting her saying they could because nothing is ever 100% certain when it comes to science. Lives have been taken in real life in the past in an attempt for the greater good, such as the invention of penicillin, the first antibiotic. However, that death was useful and helped millions, billions of lives to come. It was a chance, a risk, but a risk worth taking. It just doesn’t sit right with me that people are trying to justify a man slaughtering an entire hospital and claiming he was justified because he wasn’t. I’m not hating on Joel, I love Joel, but what he did cannot be justified, it was hypocrisy too. He claimed they didn’t give her a choice, but killed everyone in that hospital to PREVENT her from EVER making that choice again, and to top it off, he then lies to her face about it. Also, Marlene kicks him out with a death threat because it’s all she can do, she didn’t want to kill him, she respects him too much and thanks him. He risked his life to keep Ellie alive when he didn’t need to, he took her across the country without being told to do so, she respects him because of that. Marlene tried to make sure he wasn’t going to get back in and attempt to take her with that threat, but underestimated him by only giving him one guard to escort him. You also need to understand that killing the golden goose is the only thing they could do which is provided by sufficient evidence. They had scientists working on her condition, but they just couldn’t do any physical tests. They used the information from the infected around them to get evidence on how a vaccine would be created. This is shown by the common knowledge that cordyceps grows on the brain, even Joel knows this. With the evidence they had, showing how it mutated in her brain and stopped infection, to make that vaccine it makes perfect sense the only way to get that mutated cordyceps strain is to remove it, which cannot be done without killing the host. I agree the fireflies were in the wrong, but I fail to see how you can justify Joel’s actions even with your evidence.

@ryanschroeder5200

4 ай бұрын

@tylersaurus4702 well, the fireflies shot first essentially by their death threat to Joel when denying him from seeing Ellie. Although Joel didn't want to admit, Ellie was essentially his daughter at that point. I don't see any father allowing his daughter to be killed, regardless of the situation, without first a very clear proclamation from herself. Marlene was fully in the wrong about that. I don't fully disagree with your thoughts. Joel did pretty much what was expected based on his apparent life actions before Ellie became a bit of a better angel to him. It's hard for me to put much blame on Joel with the scenario presented by the writers with the Fireflies essentially doing everything wrong.

@nixonfleming893

4 ай бұрын

I agree marlene drugg up ellie to point see couldn't make choice herself marlene plan was to kill ellie by any mean necessary she didn't cRe at all.joel knew that by just way marlene was acting in there chat .and refuse allow him to talk to Jerry. Now I don't think jerry would want kill ellie at all .I rember in game he told marlene he wasn't sure if what in ellie head was cure .need run mire test find out were it it was .but marlene was on borrow time didn't have time so she told jerry cut her head open period.but I also think jerry would wanted to talk ellie himself see how ellie really felt about whole thing and once again marlene refuse allow that because jerry knew anna ellie mother may tell ellie truth what happen to anna and how war between anna and marlene was and ellie would realize marlene only looks out for herself no one else matters .ellie would try get jerry help fake operation and help free joel .

This is really random but Tess’s backpack looks really like abby’s

@SheiinX

4 ай бұрын

Beta Abby actually looks very similar to Tess. It was originally planned in Part 1 that Tess would be a villain who chases Joel across the country.

If you count the kills he didn’t do but still caused you could count all the wolfs Ellie killed

@brodyterry4502

Ай бұрын

And seraphites

Ngl the thumbnail goes hard

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if even joel let Ellie die there would be still death of people because from what we know, the humans in these stories are not kindfull, so they would probably fight over the cure which would end up by probably the of everyone, wich means Elsie's wouldn't even matter

Court adjourned 16:34

KingDeschain Family Three was killed due to Joel not picking them up (Opinion)

@I_live_inside_your_walls

3 ай бұрын

They 100% died

None cause it wouldn’t matter cause the fireflies would have 100 percent weaponized it and how would they have distributed it? and why would humanity go from surviving for the past 20 years to back to there 9-5 job?

None, cuz it wouldn’t hav worked. Ellie would have died and they wouldn’t hav fix anything with her sacrifice

@tylersaurus4702

4 ай бұрын

That claim is not given any evidence, it is just what Joel claims. There is no evidence to show if it wouldn’t have worked, there’s more evidence to show it would even though it’s jot set in stone. The point i’m trying to make, she wouldn’t have died for nothing even if it failed. Think of the bigger picture, if it failed and she died anyway, she was the closest they had to a vaccine. From the Fireflies’ point of view and from any scientists’ point of view, there is only one way to truly find out if it would have worked or not. Ellie wasn’t immune for no reason, a vaccine could very well have been made, however that raises the question did the fireflies have the right recourses and knowledge to successfully make a vaccine? The fireflies believed they did and that’s the only evidence we have on that so saying “they wouldn’t have been able to” is heresay based on your opinion. We don’t know if it would have worked or not, we don’t have the evidence available to know all of their research they did. Anyway, if Ellie died, it wouldn’t have been for nothing even if it didn’t work because she was the closest thing to a vaccine they’ve gotten. If it didn’t work, it didn’t work, but it would have been worth the attempt. Ellie growing up in the world of The Last Of Us is worse than death anyway, that’s a fact. Ellie was psychologically tortured by it, she was forced to watch everyone she ever cared for die or leave her all alone.

The real answer is 0, because we can’t even make vaccine for a fungus right now today, much less with how much less the fireflies had to work with.

@KingDeschain

4 ай бұрын

Ok but this is in a world where cordyceps is able to infect humans, so that logic doesn't exactly apply

@Mordraneth

3 ай бұрын

@@KingDeschain It absolutely does. All the events up until the mutation in the fungus and the subsequent end of the civilized world follow our real life events until Outbreak Day. There is absolutely no way to prime an immune system for a fungal infection. You can only deal with after infection and colonization has started. We have antifungals for that already. If those wouldn't work on cordyceps, then that's it. Game over.

@angelamcguinness4991

2 ай бұрын

​@KingDeschain well no that guy is right. There may be a chance that cordyceps can infect us if the world gets hotter

TND

Let’s not count runner and clicker deaths, or hostile human beings because they were already dangerous and a liability!

@KingDeschain

4 ай бұрын

🤔

@I_live_inside_your_walls

3 ай бұрын

Technically they are still humans and count as kills

One word to describe Joel’s decision: Selfish

@K.Y54

4 ай бұрын

Another word to describe it: Understandable

@DelsinRoweInfamous

4 ай бұрын

Foolish@@K.Y54

@damphyll7881

4 ай бұрын

fatherish

@fireflies6009

4 ай бұрын

@@DelsinRoweInfamous if you were a father and ellie was your child you would have done the same

@lvoryRose

4 ай бұрын

I mean, I'd argue it wouldn't be selfish since he did it for someone else

joel saved the world. the fireflies put everything on ellie’s immunity.

*The last of us part 2 is a bad joke .*

@user-qc5xf4gi7s

4 ай бұрын

Ur a bad joke

@houssainesong

4 ай бұрын

@@user-qc5xf4gi7s Learn to accept a opinión fanboy .

@user-qc5xf4gi7s

4 ай бұрын

@@houssainesong then say it like its ur opinion and not like ur stating a fact

@houssainesong

4 ай бұрын

@@user-qc5xf4gi7s It is a fact too , The last of us part 2 is a bad joke .

@user-qc5xf4gi7s

4 ай бұрын

@@houssainesong see now u say it wasnt ur opinion but u tried to state a fact. Make up ur mind man

The game is nihilistic trash. Sorry Naughty Dog. I don't believe in revenge and keeping a gun underneath my pillow!

@LoathSam

2 ай бұрын

The games don't believe in revenge.