Just in case you missed it, the Australian to U.S. exchange rate shown in the video was a joke, we know it's not that bad. . . but it certainly feels like it sometimes ^_^ Also the weights and numbers given in this video are to demonstrate rough estimates, the size of gold coins in any given setting will also determine how heavy the coins would weigh. For instance if the gold coins were half the width of the ones we're using as place holders in this video, you could carry twice as many coins for the same weight.

@bigbird4481

2 жыл бұрын

Man I thought I was going to be rich if I went to Australia lol

@terminus.est.

2 жыл бұрын

It harkens to AvE calling the Canadian dollar the cannukstani koppek

@user-yu9sd5nq3l

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I call a financial stress. Btw in Warframe there is a mission (The Index) with the exact the same mechanics: the more points you carry the slower you are

@Jim-ny2de

2 жыл бұрын

Gold pieces should be revalued to reflect actual value. I can carry nearly 10,000 dollars on me with 5 coins

@philipmalaby8172

2 жыл бұрын

We’re doing our best to catch up to you

I love that you brought up Skyrim. Lord forbid I carry one too many butterfly wings, but I can carry any amount of arrows and gold because apparently those are weightless.

@brickercustom

2 жыл бұрын

I think they want to make it balanced for archers, so they don't have to worry about having too many arrows, and almost always have a reliable way of fighting. And if you are low I recommend the highly balanced stealth archery.

@msihcs8171

2 жыл бұрын

@@brickercustom If you want it to be more realistic you can get mods (or design them yourself if you're so inclined) to make gold and arrows have weight, it adds an interesting dimension to the game, but I recently got bored of Skyrim and uninstalled it for the first time since it was released (honestly, I was a pre-order so it was on the PC that I had when it came out, and then on my new one since it was built.) I'm sure I'll put it back on at some point, but I know too many tricks to making my character super over-powered so it gets boring rather quickly (and many of them don't even require cheats/mods/console commands.)

@GODOFGUITAR2112

2 жыл бұрын

That’s my favorite part of Fallout. Ammunition weighs nothing but your guns do.

@elib9002

2 жыл бұрын

I love that I can run around with 1000 steel arrows. To be fair, the dragon bone arrows are probably pretty close to weightless as they should be very light.....

@brickercustom

2 жыл бұрын

I know you can make it more balanced by making it more realistic with mods. Have you tried role-playing?

"I'm not really on board with classes" then a picture of Karl Marx appears. That was absolutely gold.

@wayneslater5531

2 жыл бұрын

"absolute gold" i see what you did there ;)

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect Winner 🏆🏆🏆

@Studio23Media

2 жыл бұрын

Funny considering he's not going to pay the crew of his short film

@soulfire5256

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, if historical warriors had classes, basically all of them would just be fighter. I suppose there might be the occasional rogue, ranger, or barbarian, too.

@Eloridas

2 жыл бұрын

Wich is twice as heavy.

Love that Tolkien referenced this indirectly by having the dwarfs bury the troll's treasure in the Hobbit as they wouldn't be able to drag it around on a adventure.

@CountArtha

2 жыл бұрын

They kept the exotic weapons, though, like any true adventurer. 👍

@mikkelnpetersen

Күн бұрын

I've been thinking of that in games, instead of returning to "home base" every time you're full, have a system where you can bury/hide loot and come back for it later, BUT there's a chance, based on HOW you hide it and for HOW LONG that someone else might find it.

I love the saying : " Silver is the currency between people, Gold is the currency between countries "

@EroticOnion23

9 ай бұрын

Vast majority of fantasy writers have no understanding of precious-metals and treat gold as it were copper lol (looking at you "roast chicken that cost 8 gold coins"😁FYI during the time of Charlemagne a pence/penny (~1.7g silver) could buy you "12x 2-pound loaves of bread, a sheep would be five pence, ten pence for a pig, twenty for a cow and thirty for an ox"). All the gold that have ever been mined in the history of the world can fit in ~6 US suburban houses...copper is >20,000x more common than gold, and silver is >7x more common than gold, out of the earth...maybe gold in their universe is as common as rocks lol hence seemingly every dragon sleeps on a mountain of gold...😅

@thesecondsilvereich7828

5 ай бұрын

The English lsd system for money is well suited for any fantasy

Normal adventurer: "I'll just get a squire and a pack mule." Shad: Carries a squire and pack mule on his back

@clementbianchini8651

2 жыл бұрын

The squire IS the pack mule

@JE-ky2ow

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's why generally currency systems like that have higher denominations, like low copper is 1 copper, high copper is 10, or they do platinum above gold, and mithril and adamantite coins. just because with mithril coins it's 100 gold to 1 and generally only used for like massive company or noble operations.

@whoknows8264

2 жыл бұрын

Any coconuts?

@robertoaguiar6230

2 жыл бұрын

Note: If the mule were gold, it would weight twice as much

@wilfriedklaebe

2 жыл бұрын

@@whoknows8264 Carried by swallows?

This is the reason the Templars created a credit system. Traveling with all your coins will make you a target. But if you give it to the Templar and he hands you a paper, once you reach the middle east you get that "value" in that currency in that region.

@arifhossain9751

2 жыл бұрын

Letters of credit and our modern paper money are literally the same thing with slightly different uses.

@Sibula

2 жыл бұрын

@@arifhossain9751 pretty much, except you can't exchange it for gold anymore

@arifhossain9751

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sibula Paper money is still backed by gold in some countries so maybe *they* can exchange it for gold?

@Delgen1951

2 жыл бұрын

True..and it still works a thousand years later.. Checks, money orders, plastic and so on.

@vonfaustien3957

2 жыл бұрын

That's also how daggerfall did it you only carry a bit of gold dump the bulk off at a bank and they give you paper receipts that you can use in place of gold for large purchases like houses, ships and the higher end armor and weapons rather than lug 30k gold which had weight around with you.

Weight aside, I’ve always hated how gold pieces are the standard coin in D&D rather than silver pieces.

@jonathant8575

2 жыл бұрын

That's just the computer games, and the usual quest rewards. Most of the basic adventurer gear prices are in copper and silver, with only weapons and armor tending to cost gold, and magical versions cost lots. Been a while since I last checked the 3.5 prices, but meals iirc cost up to a silver depending on quality and rations for a day about half.

@LawlessNate

2 жыл бұрын

Really, standard coinage should be a lot of copper with some silver and the very, very rare piece of gold. We have historical documents which show an average soldier in Rome was paid about 2.3 troy ounces of gold for their entire annual salary, so view a single troy ounce of gold as being about 5 months wages of a soldier's salary. If gold coins were around the size that has been used quite frequently historically, then a bit over 4 of your average gold coins would equal to a troy ounce, so your typical gold coin (slightly less than .25 troy ounces) would be a bit over about 5 weeks worth of wages for the average soldier.

@koreancowboy42

2 жыл бұрын

I mean copper and silver coins were used too. Gold was just the higher end and is worth alot more than copper and silver. So I'm not surprised a low ranking soldiers pay is one gold during service until he's actually gone up the ranks and such

@ericdpeerik3928

2 жыл бұрын

Your DM creates the economy, but you shouldn't be paying for ale in gold coins, nore pay for armour in copper. If your DM is not sleeping, he'll have you robbed for showing off high value coins in public places. Many peasants have never even seen a real gold coin.

@mr.bobbilly8981

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah even low level players make hundreds of times normal people

The reason septims (gold coins) probably doesn’t have much value is because anybody with sufficient alteration skill and a ready supply of silver or iron ore can make as much gold as they want thus rendering gold less valuable.

@dillonthevillon3719

2 жыл бұрын

Me leveling up my smithing and alteration at once

@prime_optimus

2 жыл бұрын

Damn mages messing up the economy.

@GremlinSciences

2 жыл бұрын

Also, if you hadn't noticed, they're _thin._ You could probably stack 3 Septims to match 2 silver dollars

@obviouspseudonym9345

2 жыл бұрын

Lol holy shit I forgot I even had that spell in my roster. I have so many septims since I've literally never paid for a house ever.

@nathanielturner2577

2 жыл бұрын

@@prime_optimus this is why some alchemists in history had hits put on them because rulers were afraid of what would happen in commoners could turn lead into gold.

"Packs heavy laden with loot are often light on supplies" -Darkest Dungeon

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

Great game

@Orcrist

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent game, and great truthiness

@Davidofthelost

2 жыл бұрын

I read that and my hoarder brain said “I need the Loot to get the Supplies!”

@lysander3262

2 жыл бұрын

-2 Food, 25gp, and a handful of spiderwebs "Trinkets and baubles...paid for in blood"

@cocodojo

2 жыл бұрын

"Finding the stuff is only the first test - now it must be carried home." - the struggle is real when you have to decide what to take and what to leave behind.

Fun story. On a Pathfinder adventure, we encounter a group of Kobolds we wanted to befriend, and in that adventure they value copper over gold, just for the metal, and not the money value. Their layer was filled with raw copper ores, and lots of copper items they found or stole. So we actually went back to a city and exchanged 10-20 gold coins for the same value in copper, filling up a small chest to its max capacity ONLY with copper coins. We took that chest back to the Kobold layer and offered it as a gift, and it was super fun/cute to see them rejoy, grabbing handfuls of copper coins and just shower themselves with the copper, rubbing it against their scales and some even dig inside the pile of coins inside the chest like a cat, to "swim" in the coins. SO AMAZING and adorable!

@Kharmitas

2 жыл бұрын

The cutebold is a proud tradition of wholesome fantasy

@Ki113r210

2 жыл бұрын

sometimes awarding money for encounters can be ridiculous, had an encounter in a Pathfinder prewritten campaign where the loot was a chest full of copper coins... about 10,000. for a group of 15th level characters. who were on a basically one way suicide mission to save the planet from the Yellow King. ON HIS PLANET. we left it behind, we were like "what on Golarion are we supposed to do with like, 300 pounds of copper coins in a chest on an alien planet when theres a good chance we wont be going home??"

@AnalystPrime

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ki113r210 Chances are the writer was either making that exact point, so it was basically a trap for idiots who want to grab any treasure no matter how small, or there is a point later in the adventure where having a huge amount of copper coins on you would be helpful. Maybe a smith or a mage needs copper for something, or dropping a heavy weight on a monster would be a good way to avoid a direct fight. Or you can cause a distraction or gain goodwill from a crowd by throwing handfuls of coins around. I imagine only the most honest and dutiful town guards would keep harassing your party and blocking their entry if the next wagon happens to accidentally drop a chest full of coins on the street and there is a riot as people rush to grab all they can.

@shard20001

2 жыл бұрын

That is adorable i love it

@mikkelnpetersen

Күн бұрын

"Say, do you happen to have any trash metal lying around, you know, gold and silver" "Sure sure, we have all this fancy human stuff (jewelry), including this dumb heavy hat (a crown)"

Now that you have determined a comfortable weight, what would that 2 kg of gold coins be worth in the medieval world? The medieval florin was roughly 3.5 grams, meaning you could have around 572 gold florins. How much was that worth at the time? One could buy 20 suits of plate armor, or one suit of plate armor gaudy enough for a duke. Perhaps you'd like 17 well bred Knights war horses, or otherwise 200-300 draft horses? Maybe the same number of cows. You could send 80 people to monastic school, or 50 people to university for a year. Buy about 150 books for your library. You could rent a decent row house in York for 40 years. You could build and establish an artisan guild hall in London, or maybe just a decent church. It's not quite what a baron might make in a year, but more than what an average knight with a typical thousand acre fief might obtain.

@deforeestwright2469

2 жыл бұрын

I think at that point one really has to appreciate medieval money-lending and the rise of Banking in the Renaissance. A checking account would be really useful for an adventurer. That way you could just deposit your loot in a vault someplace and write a check when you needed to buy some obscenely nice sword or suit of armor.

@LawlessNate

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, about one troy ounce of gold was enough to buy a suit of armor. 2kg would be roughly 64 suits of armor.

@Malovane77

2 жыл бұрын

@@LawlessNate The Milanese armor manufactories of the day were selling full suits of ready made plate armor for roughly 8 pounds in the late 1300s, which equates to around what I stated. This was decently made armor, for a reasonable price in the day, and came with all the fittings. Later on the price dropped to around 6 pounds. Not sure what armor you are referring to that would cost that little, but it's around the cost of a good suit of brigandine or breastplate, pauldrons, gauntlets, and maille. Both of those were common gear for foot infantry, and could be had for 1-2 pounds.

Fallowing the mechanics in D&D there are roughly 50 coins to 1Lb, and your coin pouches had 1.3kg (2.6kg doubled to equate for the weight of gold) roughly 5.5-6Lb per coin pouch. So roughly between 275-300 coins per pouch....

@doctorofmadness3620

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment this, glad someone else did. I also wanted to put out there that this would be what merchant scales are for, even adventurers or mercenaries may carry around a collapsible scale on them, even if it could only weigh up to 3-5 pounds at a time (or an equally pretty number in kg), it means instead of paying out 1 by 1, though it still takes a minute, you just slap a pile of coins on the scale and go "oh look, its 3 pounds, thats 150 coins, now I will just count 15 to round it out" type thing.

@harozuken

2 жыл бұрын

and to boot, according to a quick google search an Australian dollar coin weighs exactly 9 grams or .31 oz, which compared to the dnd coin being about 0.36 oz these are a pretty close comparison (ignoring the x2 multiplier he is adding), and if he were carrying around some of the higher denominations like Platinum or precious gems and you could carry a serious chunk of cash for 250 coins. especially considering that a gold coin is basically the equivalent of a $20 (using the dnd price of a gallon of milk at 2 silver pieces vs $3.60)

@justineberlein5916

2 жыл бұрын

@@harozuken Seriously. Any time he mentioned how it would weigh "twice as much", I wanted to shout at him for being an idiot, since it's already the weight of a D&D 2e+ / PF 1e coin, and he'd actually be able to carry twice as many

@lezzbmm

2 ай бұрын

fr the modern coins r SO MUCH BIGGER than the old gold ones lmfao

"Bag of Holding" - the most important magic item ever invented!

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

That is _always_ my first choice when I'm playing D&D. If I can't get one of those, I get a donkey.

@kyltredragmire4939

2 жыл бұрын

I'll do you one better: BEARD of holding.

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyltredragmire4939 All beards are beards of holding if you're a messy eater.

@jhalkoski

2 жыл бұрын

while a bag of holdings contents wont effect your personal weight, it still has a weight/size limit

@TheInnerstrife

2 жыл бұрын

Codpeice of holding

Shad Fact: Shad has a large number of pets he regularly plays with. This includes 2 sand worms sometimes referred to as Shai-hulud. 3 beholders, 4 tarrasques, and two flights of dragons

@MystraRavenwind

2 жыл бұрын

How many dragons are in a flight? Because the mental image I got is two airplanes full of dragons.

@pyeitme508

2 жыл бұрын

Wow 😣

@iamaloafofbread8926

2 жыл бұрын

Wonder how many sheep you feed the dragons? :v

@digitalis2977

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot the Pocket Behemoth and the Gibberling Farm in the back yard...

@Cheyanne999

2 жыл бұрын

You must have an amazing vacuum 😂

The US has dollar coins. We have several different designs of 1$ coins currently in mint, some of them gold, as well as a couple older ones still recognized as legal tender. In fact, we have 5$, 10$, and 25$ coins as well, though they are rare and meant to be used as bullion or collector's pieces rather than coinage.

@JayStack5

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say, working in a gas station, I get several of the dollar coins every other day. Get half dollars and $2 bills plenty of times as well.

@ninjadeathoverlord3254

Жыл бұрын

Also, Japan has a gold colored coin worth almost 5 usd (500 yen)

@scott_hunts

11 ай бұрын

Due to air travel law you can only fly with so much money in your bag. Some people get around this by minting some very expensive coins with precious metals and marking them as 1 or 5 dollar coins. Funny enough, even though they are listed as official currency in one or two states, nobody has ever used one to buy something, almost like they’re worth a lot more….

@Riley_Mundt

4 ай бұрын

Yep, our $1 coins used to be pure silver (collector's versions are still made but are no longer legal tender) and our $20 coins were pure gold. The gold coins went away during the depression (on account of Lord Roosevelt outlawing the ownership of gold and purposefully devaluing the U.S. Dollar from $20 per troy ounce of gold to $35 per troy ounce) and silver was replaced by either clad coins or alloys depending on the denomination in 1965.

Someone already mentioned this, but in D&D 5e (and for this example I will extrapolate this for other fantasy systems) a coin has a set weight. From the PHB: "A standard coin weighs about a third of an ounce, so fifty coins weigh a pound." This is set as a standard not just for mechanical ease, but also as an in-world standard, it makes the minting of such coins easier to make sure they retain the same value. This becomes *very* important when it comes to what a fantasy adventurer would carry. Using multiple denominations, such as copper, silver, gold, and platinum, it is easy to have a conversion (in D&D it is a factor of 10, again for mechanical and narrative ease) so that a merchant or traveling adventurer can carry less while having the same value. A run-of-the-mill commoner will most certainly be trading in silver or copper; the adventurer full of coin is going to convert it to gold for the ease of travel. Remember, all the coins weigh the same, so for this to be true, each coin will have a different, shape, thickness, diameter, or other characteristic (while still standardized per coin). This will most certainly mean that the lesser valued ones will be larger or thicker, meaning they take up more volume for the same mass--very inconvenient for your adventurer on the run. I did the math, and to spare you from the details, a gold coin of this mass/weight, given a thickness of 2mm would be about 55mm in diameter, or about 2.5 in across. making it a generous 4mm thick would make it about 39 mm, or approx. 1.5 mm, across. Dimensions like this would greatly impact the practical amount of coinage one would want to carry (in gold at least) before converting to something else. This does present the interesting opportunity for Banks to exist and charge a conversion fee--to the chagrin of the players. Interesting enough, when you measured 100 coins to be about .9 Kilo, and 1000 coins to be the practical limit at 9 kg (~20 lbs), this lines up with D&D rules. If 50 coins weighs 1 lb, then 1000 coins (again of any denomination) would be 20 lbs. Looks like your real world currency has the approximate mass of a fantasy one!

Shad, you have just hit on exactly why adventurers always find chests of gold. None of them have been able to take the whole amount with them, so there's always some left for the next adventurers who wander into the dungeon.

@Rebelrocker69

2 жыл бұрын

Not around me. I used to play 2e AD&D and my characters always went for the portable holes, bags of holding, girdles of many pouches, and the ever popular girdles of giant strength. Whenever all other party members were so encumbered that they could not carry another coin or other bit of treasure, I swooped in and took the rest of the hoard and smiled my way to the counting house (bank). BTW, girdles of many pouches are great for Rogue characters to filch bits of treasure that the rest of the party hasn't noticed. They pay for themselves quickly. Also are great for Mage characters to keep material components in.

@jqbogus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rebelrocker69 This worked for me in 1st edition until the rest of the players noticed I was going up in levels faster than I should have been, and wondered where I was getting the extra exp... (1st Ed you got exp for acquiring treasure!)

@Rebelrocker69

2 жыл бұрын

@@jqbogus You should have responded that you were given exps for successfully finding and dismantling traps (assuming that you were a thief class). That was how my DM and myself handled it. Also, whenever we were returning from a dungeon raid, I would constantly be trying to hide in shadows. That constant practice pays off if given 5-10 exps per success. They stopped complaining when they realized that I was getting better at finding and removing traps, so less chance of them tripping any since I usually found most of them.

@ForestX77

2 жыл бұрын

That is 100% logical and now the only reason why I believe there is literal chest of gold in dungeons now.

@jqbogus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rebelrocker69 Sadly, the character was a (larcenous) half orc fighter. If our party rogue explained his unusual level gain by saying he was getting bonus exp for successfully performing class functions, I'd wonder why my Cleric wasn't getting extra exp for healing people, or my fighter for engaging in melee.

In regards to a pouch full of coins, stuff a piece of cloth on top, it helps prevent the coins from rattling around and falling out, it also may annoy pick pockets. A piece of cloth does not add much weight and has a lot of possible uses.

@viermidebutura

2 жыл бұрын

you can use it when nature calls and laugh at all the ppl bite testing the gold coins

@jackdaniels1839

2 жыл бұрын

@@viermidebutura 🤣😂🤣🤑🤮 ROFLMS. ( MS=myself sick)

@arnaudpascal1691

2 жыл бұрын

username checks out !

This video makes me really want to see you explore the real world equivalent of currency in the Witcher 3 setting and explore just how ridiculously cheap it would be to hire a Witcher to risk his life fighting a terrible monster based on rewards from hunt quests

@thatundeadlegacy2985

Жыл бұрын

Well peasants can afford his services.

@collinmclaren6608

Жыл бұрын

I mean, tbh as long as you have a good sob story, he'll probably be willing to get off with a lesser reward, if no reward at all (or maybe thats just how I played it)

@aristedes9449

Жыл бұрын

I've always thought that it would make it way more sense if he made most of his money selling various parts from the monsters to mages and alchemists, but Sapkowszki didn't think his own setting through to that degree.

@WielkaStopa-qh1rr

5 ай бұрын

but witcher's purpose of life was to kill monsters anyway so the reward was just some extra for his costs and sometimes cost of spending winter in a witcher's castle

In many dungeons and dragons games, some manner of magic bag of holding is often implemented as a way for adventurer's to "rationalize" being able to carry so much.

@byrtoff

2 жыл бұрын

Dm dependent how easy they are to get but yes bags of holding I believe usually have a large volume and weight Max it can hold that always weighs the same. It's a good work around because not every party finds going to the back for notes of credit and hiring expeditions of haulers for treasure hoards fun gameplay.

@melissawardjohns220

2 жыл бұрын

That is how our characters carried around more than 500,000 worth of platinum and jewels. We hit the giant's vault early in storm kings thunder and successful at dragging it back to a dwarvish town. Was just broken how much money we had with magic loot and the literally filled bag of holding. That amount got us all upgrades and then some. Made the rest of the game fun but a little easier with nicer stuff. Plus the whole ax of dwarven lords....was great.

@andreasbucher7717

2 жыл бұрын

Buying a bag of holding was usually my first large purchase for my characters. Edit: I also remember finding chests full of copper coins and silver coins... We used a wagon and a boat to transport these.

@hirokira8335

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreasbucher7717 I remember doing that in my game as well. We were playing this massive game where there was this place called the dragonborn's keep: basically a 9 city wide area full of ruins and dungeons. We had to bring carts and boats just to get all the treasure in the city. I distinctly remember each of my party having atleast 1,000,000 gold in jewels, old coins, artifact and ceremonial weaponry. Good god that campaign was fun. My paladin got the holy avenger and a flametounge by the end of the campaign.

@jackr2287

Жыл бұрын

Lazifiment I think you mean. Too lazy to visit the moneychangers to get gold converted to platinums; buy a strong box with a local merchant; purchase a wagon or cart or mule/horse to carry across the world, tracking the water and feed use; hiring factors to purchase equipment on their behalf and see to the shipping to the operational area; open a bank account with the guild; etc. These are legit assumptions and things you see in older games. But newer gens of players and DMs don't know of them.

Old school D&D focused more on encumbrance and gave weights for every treasure horde in published adventures. Figuring out how to get the loot out of the dungeon was as much a part of the adventure as slaying the big bad, possibly even more so.

@bengaming3649

2 жыл бұрын

The sad part is aside from the diversity of classes, Old School, 2nd edition D&D was probably the best and most fun ruleset. There was really no min/max'ing god tier multiclass/race combos and it was more about how clever you were as a player that determined your power level.

@maxumus1019

2 жыл бұрын

If their are any barrels lying around you can just fill them with your loot and roll them out

@jhonea6535

2 жыл бұрын

*stares in rolled stat requirements for race, gender, and class*

@bobombnik1817

2 жыл бұрын

That's specifically why they had the pack animals and hirelings, actually. :D

@johns9652

2 жыл бұрын

If I remember right, back in "red book" TSR days, maybe even for AD&D, weights were given in coins, not pounds

in the early days of D&D, half the game was exploring dungeons and fighting monsters, and the other half was getting your loot and gold back to town. Horses, laborers, and wizards to cast tenser's floating disk were required fare.

@Quandry1

2 жыл бұрын

it also meant a whole lot less horses were forgotten and died of neglect by wasteful parties thta cuoldn't be bothered to go back for them.

@robertbyerlay5040

2 жыл бұрын

I heard one party just set up a metal foundry and just melted all the coins in a huge dragon hoard. They scraped off gold and silver and left the rest.

@ZlothZloth

2 жыл бұрын

That's what portable holes were for.

@xCCflierx

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZlothZloth gonna still need that horse for the first 20k tho.

@bobh9492

2 жыл бұрын

donkeys, trained donkeys, the kind that will kick a goblin to death if it sneaks up on the baggage train

21:46 "The US doesn't have dollar coins, just dollar notes" The US *does* still have dollar coins and actually mints new designs for special occasions. However, they are just far more rare to see than regular dollar bills and are usually designed as collectors' items. There's nothing to stop you from paying for your groceries with them though.

@doopdoopdopdop7424

2 жыл бұрын

I fucken *wish* they were still prevalent. You always feel cool clanking coins together.

@Arcanua

2 жыл бұрын

Seeing as it's ONLY for special occasions now, no the US doesn't. Anymore they're old or one of those special coins. As you wouldn't use said special ones for buying random things, you guys don't mint new ones anymore. Do they still exist? Yes, but to say they're still minted, isn't really correct to say, since you don't do it on the norm anymore and haven't for quite a while.

In DnD rules as written, a pouch can hold up to 300 coins (50 coins weigh about 1 pound and the capacity of a pouch are 6 pounds), so not far off from what you showed here. And as others have already pointed out, a gold coin is actually worth quite a lot. Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go put a treasure hoard full of copper coins in my next dungeon...

i would say that most dnd characters have a “coin pouch” that functions as a bag of holding but is used solely for coins

@doncoyote68

2 жыл бұрын

They'd just store it in their bag of holding or handy haversacks (which would be standard equipment for any adventurer team above early levels).

@bengaming3649

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was going to say this. It is pretty much a given that in most fantasy settings, all adventures have a 100% weight reduction coin pouch with unlimited capacity.

@ericb3157

2 жыл бұрын

reminds me of "order of the stick", where the party rogue had something like 16 bags of holding. it was recently revealed that she keeps her Arrows in one of them.

@matta5498

2 жыл бұрын

Lazy gaming.

@ohayo_baka_neko

2 жыл бұрын

That's a quantum wallet.

Shad: "In my fantasy novel, the world that I've created and worked on for years... I have no clue about anything..." Me: "Yep. Typical writer problem."

"You'd need a pack horse to carry this much gold out of a dungeon!" We have one. It's called the Half Orc party member :) Side Note: In Pathfinder at least, there are tables for weight that you can carry based on how much your character weighs and the character's size, and though Gold may not have weight initially, it can be made to have it, and then you'd have accurate numbers to how much you could carry.

@LordRenegrade

2 жыл бұрын

Coins do have weight in the rules as written, at least in PF1. *All* coins in PF1 weigh 1/50th of a pound (p.140, PF1 CRB). PF2's bulk system doesn't directly translate to weight as it's a mix of size and weight...

@kyleguajardo

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordRenegrade Yeah, I double checked after I posted this, and I noticed that it was written. I am just used to that rule not being too heavily enforced.

I always imagined fantasy gold coins to be tiny. Like I've seen gold coins from dark ages hoards in museums and a lot of them are the size of UK 5p pieces (that's about 14mm across) but also paper thin. After all if gold was soo ubiquitous that a solid gold coin the size and thickness of a dollar was a standard unit of currency it would have all sorts of other inworld consequences. Like everyone would be wearing masses of gold jewellery, people could cover their homes in golden ornaments even tile their walls in gold. Because why not, If it's soo cheap and abundant? Instead of a grimy, green and brown pseudo-medieval European setting that is so standard, you would end up with everything that didn't need to be hard-wearing could just be never tarnishing shining yellow and all the people would be walking around blinged up to the eyeballs!

@johnevans347

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely I agree. Even the five pence comparison is too generous. The value would be calculated by weight, so even a half or a quarter of the size of 5p makes sense .

@tes962

Жыл бұрын

That's a really good point. If gold is so abundant, like in D&D or video games like Skyrim, why isn't every peasant wearing gold jewelry and gold clothing? The most logical answer is it's video game fantasy. I play Elder Scrolls a lot and most of the things in the game wouldn't happen or make any logical sense if that fantasy world were real.

The US does have $1 “gold” coins. We just don’t use them very often. Lots of vending machines do accept them.

@109Rage

2 жыл бұрын

The US also mints real gold coins, whose face value is "$50", but nobody actually exchanges them for $50. Currently those coins are worth $1,788 for the gold alone, tho can go for higher on account of them being backed by a state.

@ostrowulf

2 жыл бұрын

When I was a kid it was a fun test to put Canadian quarters in US arcade machines (they are the same size, weight, etc.). Turns out Canadian ones have more magnetic metal in them, and block up the arcade when the coin gets stuck to the magnet.

@whatstdiggn

2 жыл бұрын

Bars hate ccx when I pay my tab with them. I bust out a small treasure box and count me out. My boss owns a car wash and I'm a pirate so it all works out.

@MrMarinus18

2 жыл бұрын

@@109Rage I don't know what you're talking about. It sounds like the gold standard where you can trade in money for gold but that was abandoned in the 70's. Our current money isn't backed by anything. it's worth something because we believe it is.

@Edax_Royeaux

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMarinus18 No, Jeremia is referencing the time US coins were minted in silver and gold. In the past, the US even had a gold $1 dollar coin, back around the era of the California gold rush. This wasn't the gold standard because you can't redeem gold for gold, the coin was legal tender and only worth it's own denomination to the banks. But because there's not enough gold in the world to make gold coins viable as legal tender, they dropped the concept. It was also made illegal to own gold in 1933 in the US. Much like the US dollar, gold is only worth something because we believe it is, if the world thought gold was blasphemous or cursed, it would immediately lose value. I myself own a collection of silver quarters and dimes, but I only value them for their silver content, not for any collector's value. The problem I have with modern silver and gold coins is that their always minted in 1oz denominations, which make them large and unwieldy and would be hard to barter with in emergencies. One of the reasons gold is so valuable now is that it's supply has been vastly outstripped by the population, so you'll never see gold 1$ coins ever again. There's just not enough gold in the world for it's value to be so low anymore.

The neat thing about dnd currency: it has a literal weight conversion, at least in 5e. 50 coins of any type equal one pound. Which naturally means Gold Coins are much smaller than most others.

@Excellsion

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamriven Did you have this info in your back pocket, or did you research expressly to reply to a KZread comment. Either way, I like it.

@kitirena_koneko

2 жыл бұрын

If memory serves correctly, 1st and/or 2nd Edition AD&D also listed masses and diameters of different coins, so players and DMs would know how many GP a PC could carry without becoming overencumbered.

@kitirena_koneko

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamriven Are those 3E, 3.5E, or 5E gold coins? I seem to recall in 1st or 2nd edition that they were listed as 1/10 of an Imperial pound (1.2oz each) and roughly the same diameter as a Eisenhower Half Dollar IIRC. I'm not 100% certain about these weights because it's been forever since I last played AD&D...

@HappyBeezerStudios

2 жыл бұрын

euro adaptation of the measurements: the volume of the gold coin would be close to a 2 cent coin (461.11 mm³) while weighing about 3x as much (the 2 cent is 3.06g) while the weight would be close to a 2€ coin (8.5g)

@Ca7iburn

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamriven The Krugerrand is minted in one, half, quarter and tenth of an oz coins. Following your logic the D&D coin is probably the 1/10oz version that is worth about $180.

Shad, I think you forgot to tare/zero/calibrate the scale before placing the bowl on it. It measured the weight of the coins AND the bowl, when you really just want the weight of the coins. It wouldn't have prevented the error (unless the bowl was exceptionally heavy), but just something to keep in mind for future reference. Unless it was already calibrated to the bowl's weight? And same thing with the pouches, though I think we can count their weight as negligible, especially given that the coin to gold ratio is also approximate.

One of the few times that I DMed I had my party find an huge chest of treasure while they were stranded away from civilisation. I made it feel like it was a huge sum of money to them but actually by the time they would have split it and leveled up a few times (which they would have done by the time they had the opportunity to spend it) it would have put them on the expected amount of wealth for their level. I told them it was too much to carry without a cart but they could take a reasonable amount out of it and come back later to try to find it again, so I effectivly turned getting a large amount to treasure back to town into a quest. Unfortunatly the party was too paranoid - they thaught I was up to something and there was no way I would let them keep it so they didn't take anything from it, buried it and never came back... actually they ran away or attacked the npcs every time I tried to reward them >.< They thought I was out to get them but actually it was just that the previous DM hadn't been very generous and they were under-geared.

In Daggerfall money had weight, the banks allowed you to deposit it into an account with a letter of credit offered as an alternative to lugging arround 10,000 gold coins.

@EzekiesAcheron

2 жыл бұрын

That's so fucking neat

@johnniewoodard648

2 жыл бұрын

I miss Daggerfall...I actually bought a house...and got arrested for sleeping on the balcony....the game saw it as camping inside the city. I saw somewhere that it has been converted to play on the Skyrim engine...may have to check into that.

@jaydenlobbe7911

2 жыл бұрын

@@EzekiesAcheron Also, 400 Gold Coins in Daggerfall weighs exactly 1 Kg

I'd like to see a video where you figure out the weight of the standard explorer's pack from D&D (bedroll, backpack, mess kit, tinder box, 10 torches, 10 days worth of rations, waterskin, 50 ft of hemp rope) and maybe go hiking with it, because having lived out of a pack while hiking before, I can tell you it's hard to get your pack to weigh less that 40lbs

@Vikingwerk

2 жыл бұрын

Hell, 10 days worth of rations would be heavy and cumbersome by itself. Think how big a simple packed lunch is, now 30 of those!

@WJS774

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vikingwerk Well food for travelling is typically chosen to travel well, more so than a packed lunch. Some foods are way more dense than others.

@arron.barnett

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vikingwerk can't wait to see the video where Shad works out how to fit 30 hello fresh meals into a bag.

@DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis

2 жыл бұрын

I suppose rations may change with setting as well. It may be ten days worth of jerky (as in the Mongols), or smoked and salted fish, for example rather than a modern idea of a square meal.

@NorthwindFusilier

2 жыл бұрын

@@DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis Or pemmican.

Your videos have been a great help with writing my novel. I just came back to re-watch this video when I was working on the logistics of carrying money around. I remembered your video working out all of this and came straight over. I did do many calculations of my own, but this was a great reference point to move me in the right direction. Thanks a bunch!

In the dnd games I play with my friends, "gold pieces" is simply a numerical value we use for value. In the end, characters carry gems, jewelry, pieces of various metals and rare materials. We kinda handwaved that part for simplicity :P

@SethalaTheGamer

2 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much how I handle it; I assume the adventurers spend some time "offscreen" converting their currency into more easily-handled denominations whenever they reach any sort of civilized area. I leave the specifics up to the players themselves, if thy want to go into detail, but I assume that there's several denominations of coins beyond the basic copper/silver/gold(/platinum/electrum), precious gemstones with a generally accepted cash value, paper money, and so on.

"you get a discount, just leave me alone!" that was funny

Okay legitimately this has been my biggest video game question from Skyrim because there is no way you wouldn't be encumbered carrying around 20,000 gold coins

@NicTheGreek1979

2 жыл бұрын

You should've crafted the Whiterun Wallet of lightness.

@BallsTheDog

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's just for gameplay reasons. If they really really really wanted it to be realistic then the player would be picking up copper and silver mostly, with the gold coins being bunch more uncommon. You can get mods that add weight to the coins but it's not convenient to the player to have you deposit at the bank all the time.

@Devlinator61116

2 жыл бұрын

I think my level 54 Khajiit currently has 90,000 gold.

@byronhorde5892

2 жыл бұрын

If you play on PC, there are mods available that take care of this issue. That is, if you want the "realism" factor.

@queuedjar4578

2 жыл бұрын

Daggerfall actually had weighted gold so that was a mechanic at some point in the series. This was balanced out by being able to buy a horse and cart for portable storage and banks for safekeeping your coin, as well as letters of credit because Daggerfall basically wanted to simulate life lol, so it wasn't as annoying as you think.

I've been creating an RPG since 2001 and I can't stop improving it. This year, I listened to your videos and you inspired me a lot for certain mechanics. Among other things, the mechanics of travel, weapons, armor and the range of weapons. I even created my Ranger class inspired by your description. You are a source that I appreciate. Keep up the good videos and good work.

D & D as a dm I always make players deal with coin weight, so either they spend more money bag of holding. Or pack animals and care takers for them . Depending on the items they try to lug a spell caster may be burning his precious supply of mana to move stuff.

The whole thing about burying a chest of gold and coming back for it later makes much more sense with this in mind.

This reminds me of how in the Hobbit they buried almost all the gold they found in the Troll Cave. It's literally the same scenario this video addresses. Yeah they had it, but they would be 'over-encumbered' so to speak. So they had to come back for it later.

@temptempy1360

2 жыл бұрын

but the Hobbit they were heading into the wilderness so not a lot of places to spend it up where they were going.

@thecommenternobodycaresabout

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, that is probably why in all those pirate legends and adventures, there are treasures buried or hidden in various places. I think there is a common patern among those stories. A person lives far away from towns and villages and could be easily be robbed in the way, so carrying a ton of money is out of question, that person is collecting high amounts of valuable items and money which he or she cannot use, because it's hard to do so without standing out, and they are piling up making them hard to move and since that person is greedy, for all this to happen in the first place, he or she decides to bury those somewhere and when he or she can get them out he or she will come back to get them but that usually didn't happen hench the birth of those legends.

I love how you’re including the theatrical bits now. Gives it all a nice bit of character.

This is why gemstones were used so often in earlier edition in D&D.

So fun fact, and one of the few things I miss from earlier Elder Scrolls: In Daggerfall, gold DID have weight. So how did they handle having tons of it? There were banks, and at those banks you could exchange your gold for letters of credit, that could then be used to purchase items.

@UtushoReiuji

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that game made it so your character could own a wagon or a ship to load their gold and assorted loots onto while away from town. I always enjoyed the logistics of heading back to the entrance of a dungeon just to dump gold and the like so you could resume exploring, instead of having to decide on dumping stuff or heading back to town to unload.

@nicknevco215

2 жыл бұрын

@@UtushoReiuji and a horse saw someone playing that old game, said it was in unity now

@josephrector8735

2 жыл бұрын

@@UtushoReiuji yeah but Navigating a Daggerfull dungeon without using "Mark" and "Recall" spells and the quest jump location cheat using that insane 3D Map was an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE

Unironically, the best part of the video, for me at least, was the comercial where they are just cooking on a bonfire and simply enjoying their food

@moumantai6337

Жыл бұрын

agree and cooling is definitely the most important skill in adventuring, an adventurer have to eat everyday to maintain their stamina and energy!

Our DnD group got around gold weight/volume by having Str-Con focused fighter/tank just having two great big chests roped to his back, because it barely made a dent in his carry weight.

the most valuable piece of equipment for any adventurer would be a Horse-drawn Cart with a Squire guarding it! carry all the loot u can possibly find!

@AxxLAfriku

2 жыл бұрын

GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! I want to cut my toe nails... NEVER! I am the feet KZreadr. Thanks for being a fan, dear zir

@lazulenoc6863

2 жыл бұрын

That would be pretty great. I value my followers in Skyrim a lot for this reason.

@bigbird4481

2 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku okay then to each their own I guess

@shadowofhawk55

2 жыл бұрын

bag of holding i think is better

@zirtd9256

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowofhawk55 only in settings where magic exists.

Ooh Shad! Video idea! How realistic would it be for an adventurer to carry potions, assuming that they are glass bottles with cork stoppers Different sizes for different healing amounts of course! And how quickly could you consume one in a pinch!?

@largefren843

2 жыл бұрын

Ceramic would work better than glass, cheaper probably too

@bloody4558

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on size I could drink one in a gulp

@Blandy8521

2 жыл бұрын

A homerule that I use in dnd is that if you take an action you get the max health of the potion. If you use it using a bonus action then you use the roll. The way it's flavoured is that by using an action you're drinking it more carefully so you don't spill any

@bloodstoneore4630

2 жыл бұрын

I hope he makes a fantasy rearmed video on the effects of potions

@bloody4558

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blandy8521 That's a good rule

Old editions of D&D accounted for this in spades. This is why we always have hirelings come along to excavate and carry things while the party kills monsters

@jackr2287

Жыл бұрын

And mercenaries to watch the horses, a stableboy to curry and groom the beasts while the adventurers are plotting their delve with the henchmen peering over their shoulders. Hell, in a game I'm in, some of us have small armies that move with us, because it's necessary to survive.

We actually do have dollar coins in the US. It's just that nobody uses them. And most of the ones out there are also gold colored.

1:30 "I'm not necessarily on board with classes" American viewership goes up, Chinese viewership goes down

I liked when you got mobbed by bandits, I like how you have started including a lot more of that kind of stuff in your recent videos.

Back in the days of AD&D, you know the 80's, there was the concept of encumbrance, that is how much your characters could carry and how it affected movement and speed. Although it was generally ignored in my group of friends, we did recognize that if you carried 1,000 GP you could not move as fast or nimble as being unencumbered. In that version of AD&D, the use of henchmen was very common in play to carry all the stuff you may have needed in the campaign but did not carry in to a specific dungeon.

@justnoob8141

Жыл бұрын

We still do, and as you said, most people just ignore it, both coin and ammunition are probably the only thing to have their weight ignore when people do

@abcdefghij337

Жыл бұрын

Imagine relying on ammunition instead of melee weapons and magic.

This episode reminded me of a chapter in The Hobbit where they find treasure chests in a goblin cave before they get captured. They had already lost their ponies because they were in the mountains so they smartly decided to bury the chests for later upon their return. Makes me think that in a fantasy setting saturated with old, forgotten ruins everywhere there would also be--by extension, a lot of buried treasure. So not only are their professional adventurers, there could also be professional or aspiring thieves that specifically go after adventurers' buried treasure.

@WhichDoctor1

2 жыл бұрын

This is the kind of thing that actually happened in dark ages Europe. Even in the modern-day people are still finding hoards of gold and silver coins, jewellery and ornaments that were buried in the ground by some dark ages person who found themselves in possession of a great deal of money but not able to carry or store it safely. Presumably, they intended to return and reclaim their wealth but were either unable to find it later on or too dead to make the journey

@pemo2676

2 жыл бұрын

shockingly yes, pirates and the like did bury treasure unfortunately this was usually temporary like in the hobbit, and would most likely be gathered again unless accidentally lost (unlikely) or the owner died with no trace of where the treasure is (a lot of people died, so get your shovels)

@BlackDragonWitheHawk

2 жыл бұрын

@@WhichDoctor1 not at all so common. Most coins found in fields where lost without intention and heaps of it often tend to be in areas of old settlements or garrisions... The burried treasure thing is for the most part a myth... yes there is the occasional find of a vase full with coins, however, it is verry verry rare and most finds are a handful or single coins that got lost by the user.

@BlackDragonWitheHawk

2 жыл бұрын

@@pemo2676 nope. pirates did not burry treasure. also a myth. 1. most of the time they did not find treasure but trading goods -which got sold at the next market 2. burrying treasure on an island is risky and needs not only time, but renders the burried thing useless... Most coins acuired where probably split up by the crews and rather fastly spent drinking etc...

@pemo2676

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackDragonWitheHawk hi! they did bury treasure, but only temporarily. this was to reduce the weight in ships, as going back and fourth constantly to get all that weight off the ships was far too much, instead they would hide or bury it, continue the exhibition, and come back later- it's actually a myth that they DIDN'T bury treasure we also have PROOF as multiple times, people have discovered abandoned treasure hoards because a pirate had died or been captured before they would return and i'm not just saying they dug a big hole in a beach and hid it, this could be in caves, in walls(in one real case), under foliage e.c.t. they couldn't carry everything all the time, gold is far too heavy, and they can't always make it to a port to spend it. we do actually have records of pirates doing this, as anyone who could write would account as much of their travels as possible, including dumping their money off as they go and coming back later

We do still have dollar coins in the US… They just aren’t used that often but if you’ve ever worked at a grocery store you’ll see quite a few of them come through

@SimuLord

2 жыл бұрын

Post office stamp vending machines give them out as change if you pay with a larger bill. The Sacagawea and presidential coins aren't as bad as the Susan B. Anthony coins, which they stupidly made the same size as a quarter to ensure they'd be easily confused.

@nymphrodellsalavin

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes subway stations do as well

@gaming_ape1018

2 жыл бұрын

I work at a diner in the midwest of America and yeah i do see dollar coins get given to us for tips and the like.

@eternalisolation6106

2 жыл бұрын

There are also half dollar coins as well, however they're in a similar boat to the dollar coins, and are even more rare. They're also larger than the dollar coins by quite a bit.

@CaesarGB

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaming_ape1018 A fellow Midwesterner

I used a few mods in Skyrim to fix this "problem". The Immersive Jewelry and Immersive Currency mods add 1/100 carry weight to money, so 10,000 septims would be 100 carry weight Of course, the mod also added bank notes of varying value you could exchange at certain merchants. They had money notes for 1k, 2k, and 5k gold, each weighing only 1/10 carry weight.

23:18 "Touch my pouch... cup it" Getting heavy with the innuendo in this video XD

In one old D&D campaign I created, the massive treasure in one particular dungeon was 100,000 one-ounce copper pieces. That's about three tons. They spent more time arranging for transport and escorting the resulting wagon train than they did killing a dungeon full of monsters. They had to move it all to a fairly distant major city just to find a bank that could handle that much.

I just consider "gold coin" as a standart price that can measure different metals and value. For example, "you found 456 gold coins" can also mean "you found one coin from very fancy metal (or exaptional rarity) that is worth 456 gold coins".

@PokeMaster22222

2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of games that I've played just use "gold" as the currency - without specifying coins or anything. Looted 739G from an enemy, found 1,682G in a chest, can carry a max of 9,999,999G...other names, like pg, work the same way. As a result, unless it's shown to be coinage or bullion, I just view it as essentially a debit card.

@lukasmakarios4998

2 жыл бұрын

Finding jewels, of a given value, was fairly standard in our games.

Dungeons and Dragons also has the option of platinum pieces, which represents 10 gold per piece, and Electrum, which is 5 silver pieces per coin. I'd be very interested to see how many Platinum you could comfortably carry and the volume/value associated with it. Also, remember that 1000 gold coins means you can live in comfort for almost year and a half. That's food, drink, lodgings, entertainment, safety, the lot. Not insignificant.

Shad, you have hilarious skits, I hope you never change! XD

Excellent video Shad, now the question is... How effective would a durable sack of coins be as a makeshift weapon?!?

@josephradley3160

2 жыл бұрын

"Bludgeon time!"

@shards1627

2 жыл бұрын

assuming the sack has a fairly long and strong cord, you could probably kill somebody with it

@TheMHB199

2 жыл бұрын

Just slightly better than a nun chuck...

Daggerfall was the oldest rpg game I can remember actually giving coins weight. So instead of carrying around alot of them you would get a letter of credit from the bank.

@Astraeus..

2 жыл бұрын

I mean...that's legitimately how modern currency was started too....

@MortalKombat033

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Astraeus.. I was just so surprised how a game made before I was born (1996) felt so in depth almost like d&d on the desktop. Nowadays rpg games are more streamlined, less complex and they make every player made character feel oddly the same. The elder scrolls 2 did it well Characters with high strength could carry more but they lacked points in other skills. While wizards may have a low score and have to rely on wagons or pack animal to carry stuff. It definitely made a difference in my characters story. Just ask all of the wizards that had to backtrack through labyrinthine dungeons because they were loaded down too much, just to find a mummy wrap.

@Astraeus..

2 жыл бұрын

@@MortalKombat033 The older Fallout games had a pretty good system for characters too. For instance, if you made a character with extremely low intelligence in Fallout 1 & 2, it completely changed the way the game would play, drastically altering a lot of the dialogue choices and giving you a very different experience (as compared to character with mid-level or higher intelligence). In Fallout 3 it's less prominent and doesn't alter gameplay that much, but even there if you make a character who's dumb as a box of hammers, it does still make quite a few changes to dialogue overall. But it's like you say, RPG's (especially Western RPG's) have been getting more "simplified" as time goes by, to the point where it almost doesn't matter what you do with your characters, the experience ends up being more or less the same overall. But we live in a world where "FIdget Spinners" are a thing that exists and that people actually buy, so that right there should tell you how "complex" people want things to be....

@troybrice4531

2 жыл бұрын

I had completely forgotten that. Oh the memories.

@SheosMan117

2 жыл бұрын

I'll admit, I never played much. But that part did always surprise me. That, and the fact that shopping meant browsing the shelves. Which let's face it, we're not used to, as in pretty much every RPG ever, not just all the Elder Scrolls games, but other franchises, buying/selling always happens via the merchant themselves. And yeah, actually HAVING a bank is unusual too, as again the standard is the player having a nice big pouch that could hold literally MILLIONS of gold, all at once. Ok, Fable 3 shakes things up with how the Sanctuary works. But that's the exception, not the rule.

i freaking love your videos shad. you are so passionate.

Ig that's the one thing fantasy manga has right. Gold coins are always pretty damn valuable, with (usually) platinum coins being one entire step above them

In DnD, the gold coin = around 100 dollars thing tracks pretty well. 15 Gold for a battle ready longsword. Sounds like a lot, but 1500 dollars for a longsword you could trust in a battle for your life? Kult of Athena seems to match that rate for their blades.

@shadowofhawk55

2 жыл бұрын

seeing as the longsword was the medieval equivalent of a pistol, and most modern pistols are (in the us at least) somewhere in the hundreds range I am pressing x to doubt on a DnD gold coin being equal to hundred dollars.

@ZackofSpades

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowofhawk55 The longsword was NOT a pistol. It was a battlefield weapon. Daggers and arming swords were the pistols. Longswords were the M16s

@cloudcleaver23

2 жыл бұрын

Inflation's a beast with that kind of thing too. The amount of gold in an old Spanish doubloon is worth a bit shy of $400 US right now.

@TGPDrunknHick

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowofhawk55 aside from Z-bytes comment what you also forget is the lack of mass production lines. guns are easier to produce on a mass scale than to make a quality sword on a mass scale in that time period. weapons like that would be more expensive because labour is expensive. if anything a spear or club would be the readily affordable and available weapons. throw in the bow as well. a sword though is expensive to make because it is difficult to make unlike the others listed.

@sektamet

2 жыл бұрын

That's pretty on par with a normal longsword in the modern day is it not?

Alternate title: Shad flexes his money in front of his employees for half an hour.

@matthewwriter9539

2 жыл бұрын

...to be fair, it was only $25 in U.S. dollars.

@JCavinee

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewwriter9539 I hope you're joking

@matthewwriter9539

2 жыл бұрын

...baised on the joke that Shad made at the start of the video. You are literally why people hate going into the comments section and why we can't have nice things. Let's review shall we? Shad made this video, and at about 2:27 into the video he jokes that this amount of gold is worth about $25 in U.S. money. There is a comment that he put somewhere saying that this was a joke, and that it isn't really that bad. Then I saw the comment about an alternative title for this video, which I apparently misunderstood as a joke. ...so I went along with Shad's joke about it only being worth $25. So now here I am, seeing Shad joke about something, and I went along with that joke, and now you are giving me a hard time for it. Am I just not allowed to make jokes? Am I not allowed to make comments on anything anymore?

@JCavinee

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewwriter9539 lmao tl;dr If my short comment was enough to get you to type several paragraphs and make you want to avoid making further comments on KZread, then the internet might not be the best place for you to hang around. Just saying. Lighten up, champ.

@matthewwriter9539

2 жыл бұрын

@@JCavinee...I am autistic, as such it feels like no matter what I say or what I do, it feels like everyone takes it the wrong way. I feel like I am playing a game with two sets of rules, and nobody will tell me what they are. Imagine that you were to play the game "Life" with someone who had never even heard of the game before. Everyone else had the rules read to them, they know how to play, yet nobody told me the rules. I have to guess what the rules are from watching all of you. ...however there are two different sets of rules. One set for all of you, and then a different, harsher set for me. Any time that I even try to tell a joke people act as if I were waving the Nazi flag and saying that we should reduce the over population problem by eating babies...or something. ...I am literally not allowed to make jokes. My younger brother once told a joke, and 2 or 3 weeks later I told the exact same joke, and the look I got ...well from everyone's reactions it would have been better for me to have been waving the baby eating Nazi flag. ...when I went to college I was involved with the theater program...I was painting one of the set pieces with another student. Suddenly she tells me that if I don't back away from her, she will cut off my balls and skin me like a deer, and that she can do that because she goes hunting all the time. I was of course surprised by that reaction. ...and that seemed far too harsh a punishment for being too close to her. I extended my arm to measure the distance and found that I was 1 arm's length minus half a finger length away from her...I had been told years ago that a personal space bubble was about an arm's length...so basically this young woman was threatening my life over the length of a finger... ...I took 2 or 3 steps away from her anyway.

Canadian loonies are about the same price as gold coins. 7 ish grams or so. I've carried alot of those at times, it sucks but with proper gear for it it'd probably be less bad. You realistically don't wanna try and move more then 200 at a time though.

That skit at the beginning! Had me chuckling at my desk. Thank goodness Im WFH right now. Fun fact: Medieval clothing didn’t have pockets. The pocket of today arrived around the 17th Century. Before that people tied ‘pockets’ aka pouches on under their clothing to prevent theft.

I like a system I read about in a series one time, where adventurers/mercenaries actually converted most of their money into jewelry. It made it easier to carry, and if they had it in chain form, it was actually pretty easy to spend - just break off a few links from a chain and reclose it.

@VladamireD

2 жыл бұрын

This was actually a thing historically. Shell money, manilla, trade beads, and hacksilver especially fits with this idea.

@mlogan2k2

2 жыл бұрын

@@VladamireD I thought I'd heard of it before the books, good to know I wasn't hallucinating.

@bobbyt9431

2 жыл бұрын

This was how it was done in Everquest. If you needed to transport large quantities of money, you bought gems or jewelry and then sold it back at a slight loss when converting back to currency.

@johnbeauvais3159

2 жыл бұрын

Because a lot of trade was done by weight you see this in the 17th century and they have recovered “money chains” off the wreck of the Atocha

@VladamireD

2 жыл бұрын

something I always found interesting was the strings of coins that were used in various Asian countries, which also handled the issue of counting a 1000 coins out to purchase an item: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_(Chinese_coin)

Something worth mentioning was the Templars had a system whereby pilgrims going to the holy land would give them money in Europe and be given a writ that they would turn in once they got to Jerusalem to receive their money back. This meant pilgrims could travel with less money, reducing the weight and the odds of losing their money if they were robbed along the journey.

@mattymcsplatty5440

2 жыл бұрын

yes, they invented money, then they got wise and realized most people left most their money in the bank. So that is why banks now only need 10% in their vault to loan out, so if they have $1,000,000 they can loan out $9,000,000 to another bank, then they write up that extra $9m as "profit", and BINGO!!! new money is made, then that $9m can be loaned to another bank and $8.1m is "made" and on it continues, Also when you take a loan from a bank, you put up collateral and they put up "new" money, then they write up your new loan as new money. You are the only one who had something of value in the agreement. What started as a "convenience" turned into a .....well you know lol

@lordslaar4808

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattymcsplatty5440 IIRC the reserve for US banks was lowered to 0% in March, 2020. A 10% reserve is an artefact of banking that was merely MOSTLY irresponsible.

@jstates1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattymcsplatty5440 Are you saying that the elites can now make money on a whim and use the whole system to manipulate and control the masses, harvesting the results of our labor via taxes, fees, licenses, and charges in all their various governmental forms?! Oh, surely not! Hmmm, but then the Templars were absorbed into Freemasonry where they operate in the elite echelons today...

For my book(and also my Zweihander RPG game) i use decimal values for stuff Copper Cobra are worth 1 Silver Eagles Are worth 10 Golden Lions are worth 100. Simple as that.

I love the money sound effect when shad got “robbed”. Also shad doing a Gordon Ramsay parody series when?

at the cons we used to call this a "reality check" and we would then load some one down with armor, weapons, packs, supplies etc etc and then check how fast they could move (great when playing D-n-D)

@destinytroll1374

2 жыл бұрын

We do this with people at the shooting range as well, a lotta people talk about carrying lots of ammo and big powerful guns in an apocalypse. But when you've gotta carry your weapons, cloths, food, water (waters heavy lol) maybe some body armor, boots, medical supplies and many other things! We like to challenge them to do a 3 mile hike at a brisk walk with all of their gear that they WANT to take and then see what's really worth carrying.

@EzekiesAcheron

2 жыл бұрын

@@destinytroll1374 I was shocked when I picked up an M1 Garand for the first time, and GOOD FUCKING CHRIST The M1 Garand alone is 9.5 pounds.

Admittedly, he mentions DND and I'm reminded of one of those DND greentexts where the wizard cast animate object on a 2-ton chest of gold coins lol

@michaelsinclair1343

2 жыл бұрын

Dungeons and Dragons had designed a spell almost specifically for this situation since the wizard is almost always a weakling. "Tenser's Floating Disk" This spell creates a circular, horizontal plane of force, 3 feet in diameter and 1 inch thick, that floats 3 feet above the ground in an unoccupied space of your choice that you can see within range. The disk remains for the duration, and can hold up to 500 pounds. If more weight is placed on it, the spell ends, and everything on the disk falls to the ground. Literally just load up 500 pounds of loot to carry out the dungeon behind you. And it's only a 1st level spell compared to animate objects which is a 5th level spell.

@derekstein6193

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsinclair1343 Also very useful for transporting unconscious party members and their gear.

@michaelsinclair1343

2 жыл бұрын

@@Crizzly122 animate objects essentially gives autonomy to an inanimate object or objects, it does not clone anything. And anything that doesn't have legs (chair has legs, chest does not) will gain a flying speed with animate objects.

@Crizzly122

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsinclair1343 I read the comment too fast lol I completely missed the point

@Vamirez

2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: The Tenser's disk spell was apparently added by Gary because one of his kids wanted a spell like that. He himself wanted players to figure out the treasure transporting logistics themselves ;)

One thing you often see in fantasy and historical fiction is that high-value coins (ex. 'gold') are larger than low-value coins (ex. 'copper'). This is probably because that's fairly common today, and makes intuitive sense. However, since gold is heavier than silver, copper etc. it would make more practical sense to make those coins much smaller. Another alternative, which was common historically, was to alloy gold with other metals. This would bring down the value of the currency, but would also make it somewhat lighter and perhaps make it a more convenient currency. Like, you're gonna run into trouble buying a piece of bread with a coin worth a thousand pieces of bread, if the merchant doesn't have some form of change for that.

When my group plays d&d we actually involve banking houses with some major transactions. And an old mainstay for d&d is to purchase gemstones and lighter but valuable "art objects" to carry your wealth around with you.

I don’t know if anyone has already acknowledged it, but Shad looks amazing compared to when he was starting out. Puberty hit right.

"Not really on board with classes" *shows Karl Marx* This is exactly the high quality content I crave!

@ancapftw9113

2 жыл бұрын

Marx is a bard who bums off his teammate Engels and likes to roll to seduce his maid.

@aldente3868

2 жыл бұрын

@@ancapftw9113You rolled for Accuracy. A natural 20!

@KamisamanoOtaku

2 жыл бұрын

I was rather pleased with that as well (GURPS player).

@codemonster8443

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah fuck classes! Both in RPGs and IRL

@krystofdayne

2 жыл бұрын

Missed an opportunity to play a short 1-second clip of the USSR national anthem for a peak socialism meme 😂

I love these videos bc they make my dnd games so much more interesting. Fighting monsters is awesome, but watching the party try to figure out how to transfer loot is hilarious.

I’d love to see an episode about the best weapon for a peasant, like someone who doesn’t have access to swords or pole arms ect. what would be the best weapon if they only have farm tools like rakes, wood cutting axes, shovels, torches

@jstates1

2 жыл бұрын

It would be a spear. Even an all-wooden spear with a fire hardened point would be better than most farm implements. Making a spear would be the first thing I'd do on a wilderness survival show like "Alone." Easy to make, easy to use, extends your range and capabilities even against horsemen/larger animals.

when I was in high school, I remember looking at D&D rules saying that there were about 50 gold coins per pound, and then looking up density tables, calculating random stable packing of coins (that part took some research), and figuring out the volume of a dragon's hoard and being highly disappointed.

@andrewsherman8574

2 жыл бұрын

With a spot price on gold of about $1800, that would put a DnD coin at about $570 per coin; or roughly a weeks pay for a modern "commoner." Sounds a bit low, but in the right ballpark.

@youtubeme7195

2 жыл бұрын

I had to calculate molar mas for every element on the table when I was first year colege, and made the coment about D&D coins and said, "FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU!"

"It's not for sale" 5 seconds later. "I already have buyers waiting."

@josephradley3160

2 жыл бұрын

Typical online seller

@eyeballpapercut4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephradley3160 Online seller, I'm going into battle, and I need all of your strongest onlines.

These are getting really good.

Shad is always so entertaining

Shad “on average my character has 10,000 gold on me!” Me a paralyze potion monopoly man “ those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those up.”

"I'm not on board with classes" **shows Karl Marx** made me laugh.

@SonofIiberty

2 жыл бұрын

lol, damn commies!

@silkwesir1444

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for pointing it out, I didn't even notice. Must have looked away from the screen at that moment.

There was an article in Dragon Magazine about this, about 30-35 years ago, also touched on economics.

I would like to see him a video on medieval law enforcement and how to incorporate it into a fantasy setting. Like what is a minor crime versus a capital punishment and who can be arrested and who can’t. I would love that type of video!!

Shad: "Touch my pouch!" -The roos took offense to that.

@silverjohn6037

2 жыл бұрын

You just gave me a mental image of an offended social justice kangaroo with a side shave and purple dye job. One more thing that would never have occurred to me without the internet;)

@Neion8

2 жыл бұрын

'Touch my pouch... Cup it!' -Shad 2021

@johns9652

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, years ago on PS2 I think, there was a fantasy fighting game that was loosely D&D based, had a Halfling, a Goblin, various wizards, a Dwarf... they all had a victory phrase they would speak after you won using the character. One of those victory phrases was "Feel my wrath!" To which some smartaleck in our group added "Go on, touch it, touch it". You gave me a trip down memory lane and a laugh.

the extra pouches look so awesome on shad, it completes the look

@micfail2

2 жыл бұрын

I can't help but wonder how practical they would actually be to use. I can't tell you how many pieces of gear seems like a great idea at first only to have it be worse than useless when I actually try using it in the wilderness.

@SimuLord

2 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering where he got them. They look like mag pouches for taking to a 2-gun match.

Also comparing the brigandine to the pouches of coins, you also have to consider weight distribution. Your armor is balanced and the weight is evenly distributed over your core, more or less. Then you've got the pouches of coins just dragging you down on the front of your belt.

Computer games are 1 thing - but when we used to play D&D pen&paper, we actually kept record of the weight of gold (and other metal) coins ... sort of. Ofc when we got to higher levels, and we had a lot of money, we used precious stones as currency for larger amounts, from the lets say 50g worth of amber gem to the 5k worth of diamond, etc. - so there was a plausible solution ...

I actually had my NPCs take advantage of this in my DnD game. Shop owners knew that adventurers mainly dealt in gold even though the standard coinage was copper, so they would always set their prices to include as many of the lower denominations as possible (for example, a stay at an inn would be 1 silver and 1 copper per night), knowing that the adventurers would pay in gold and would usually tell them to keep the change in order to avoid dealing with 18 extra coins in their pouches. And my players did just that.

There is an underlying misconception that this video is based on, and makes it sadly way off if compared to historical coins. By about four times. This discrepancy is mainly because of the thickness, an AUD coin is a whopping 3 mm thick. An Australian dollar coin weighs 9 grams, and if it was minted in gold it would weigh around 18 grams according to the video. The byzantine gold coin (solidus/bezant) used in the Eastern Roman Empire weighed approximately 4.5 grams. (72 coins per 1 roman pound of gold at around 96% purity) That means the calculations in this video is off by a factor of 4. You could carry four times the amount of gold coins, if they were real life gold coins, compared to the numbers in this video. Or even more, as later mints around the 10th century, in Greek speaking and Arab regions, weighed around 4 grams (and were lower in purity) just as the gold franc did when introduced in France in the 14th century. The bezant/solidus was used extensively, standardized in purity and weight, and minted in this standardized form from the 4th century until the 12th century. It is the most iconic gold coin, and what one would refer to as archetypal. Of course, I mean no disrespect by this comment, and I really appreciate Shad's work. Just remember that modern coin sizes aren't necessarily representative of a fantasy setting, and most certainly not of historical sizes.

@Santisima_Trinidad

2 жыл бұрын

On one hand, you are correct. On the other hand, the actual value of gold coins are often dictated by Weight, not number of coins. So whilst you could carry 4 times the amount of gold coins, the value you carry is the same. The other option is just quickly multiple the number by a value of 4, or whatever the ratio of weight per coin is, and suddenly you get approximately the number of coins you can carry. Approximately due to air spaces when stacking. Causing volume issues in pouches.

@Adveloq

2 жыл бұрын

@@Santisima_Trinidad well yes, the weight is the same, but the video focus is on currency, so it does matter. When Shad is talking about adjusting the value in a fantasy setting, at least in this video, he isn't talking about changing the volumetric mass of a coin, he is talking about the market value of a standardized coin, based on either metal/material rarity and/or non-intrinsic value due to minting and control.

@Santisima_Trinidad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adveloq fair enough. Again, assuming same density, you can just multiple the number of coins by whatever the weight per coin ratio is, and that gets the approximate number of coins. If the density isn't the same then the maths gets far too complicated for me to attempt to formulate, and so value adjustments gets annoyingly difficult to decipher, but thats the handy thing about fantasy money. You can make 100 gold coins buy you a room in the inn for a night, or it can buy you the inn, irrelevant of the volume and purity of gold..

@delroland

2 жыл бұрын

Roman coins differed from the medieval standard wherein one sterling shilling was about 18g, as was a (~22K) gold pound. Of course, this varies wildly by the year as gold and silver coins became less pure.

@thelazy0ne

2 жыл бұрын

This is historicaly inspired fantasy setting.

We actually do still have gold dollars here in the states! Although obviously they arent real gold. But I remember getting those as a kid around easter time as they fit in the plastic eggs. Those were like the most hard to find eggs that all us kids fought for lol. Teeth, nails, nothing was off the table.

I love your book I got it last week and have allready listened to it 3 times I've recommended it to a bunch of people at work

14:20 Clarification, gold coins in Dungeons and Dragons are /not/ a dollar. In fact a gold coin is actually much closer to your estimation of a 100 dollars if you're using the economy of the book. Unfortunately a lot of DM's make everything cost 1 gold and basically just offhandedly equate 1 gp to 1 dollar in their campaigns, but as per the setting a single gold coin will get you a nice nights stay at a good inn; the same way a 100 dollar bill would that for you at a hotel in the US. Some things are impossible to make analogous because a medieval economy with magic is very dissimilar to a modern one with technology, so some coin amounts for certain things will not make sense. However, generally speaking a golden coin in D&D /is/ per 5e about as much as a 100 dollar bill.

@thecommenternobodycaresabout

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, technology is very similar to magic if you take into account the effects both have in every setting: doing something unordinary. The thing is, just like in real world, if something becomes more common it loses it's value. So, if, for example, on a D&D world, magic weapons are very common to find and buy, just like technology in real life, the prices would be very low. If the world has magic progressed as much as we have technology then, I wouldn't be surprised if you could get a magic weapon, with common enhancements, for only a couple of GP.

@thecommenternobodycaresabout

2 жыл бұрын

@Tuber Septis Players who don't read the rules should be banned in every game. They can ruin the fun in many ways.

@Zoeymacelroy0811

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to mention the same thing. I believe the analogy I heard is 1 gold is enough to take care of a family of 4 for a day covering all expenses. They also have platinum which is 10 gold so they can carry more money for less weight

@sixoffcenter80

2 жыл бұрын

Comparing the value of weapons, armor, and most the other gear in the phb I would probably put the the value of a gold coin closer to $20

@hibingboing2418

2 жыл бұрын

A fully furnished nobleman's manor is listed as 25,000 GP (chapter 6 of the DMG). Man I wish I could buy a mansion for $25,000 gold.