Another great video. You can go to off peak start and finish time if you do not want to change to 100%.

My Leaf got now 160k miles half life been used as taxi and been charged fast charger last 80k I did most time charge to 100% many times goes to 0 miles left and after all that hart time still got 10bar condition battery. Thanks for your videos

@godsonae7874

Жыл бұрын

And main thing is the car is in use 365 days in a year and I think this is the key, battery like this

Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I'm very interested in what Hyundai and the next generation of cars they will produce. Both Ioniq and Kona are extremely well made.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting. You’re welcome :)

@gzcwnk

5 жыл бұрын

Agree, most useful. I think the Ioniq mk2 is probably what I am going to buy...or an e-niro...40kw is a huge comfort margin, though if the 28kw ioniq drops significantly here (NZ) next year I might just pump for the much cheaper mk1

Thanks for the video, Duncan. Congratulations on your first 1,000 subscribers!

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

Another interesting video, thanks. Incidentally, on long trips unless absolutely unavoidable I never plan to allow my battery state of charge to go below 20%. 🤔

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Good to know I’m not alone in not running things too low :)

from what I have gathered in lots of research its fine to go up to 100% charge when you are level 1 or even lvl 2 charging. Its when you are DC charging that its not smart to go above 80. 100% is ok at the slower chargers partially because there is a buffer, so you arent charging the batteries to a full 4.2v per cell. somewhat less then that. Also because you are charging at significantly less then 1c.

Not such a worry with BMS now. 5% buffers exist at top at bottom which are gradually removed as battery degrades so you'll probably get rid of the motor before you see any reduction in range anyway 😄 totally with you on not leaving it standing with low or high state of charge tho 👍

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. The IONIQ does seem quite robust.

Classic Ioniq for the win!

I’ve just bought a ioniq electric and so far I love it!.. I charge it juste a little bit every day because I program the car to get warm or climate before I take the wheel… I rarely do long distance with this car but when I do I try to get the battery full of charge to make sure I’m good for a long distance

@ZeroTailpipe

Жыл бұрын

:)

Been loving these videos you did on your old Ioniq. :) And being stuck with the UK plug for a bit there, now you know how the rest of us Europeans feel with all these cars without three phase charging; always limited to 10A, or if you are really lucky, 16A. I am not worried about low SoC, because that rarely stays for long. I am however much more concerned about the lack of a charge limiter option at the top end...

@ZeroTailpipe

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. True - even with my e-bikes now I wish there was a way to stop charging at a user defined %age to protect the battery from degrading ...

@lingondraken

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe This is true for many devices, I rooted my phone specifically for this function too... Though, you could suspect that perhaps the bike battery has a hidden top buffer. But perhaps it would be nicer if this top buffer was more like 10-20% instead of (I guess wildly) ~5%, I suspect most of us e-bikers don't need the whole 100% every day!

Hi, Between me and my other half, we have a Zoe and and Ioniq electric, and we were caught out by the fact that the two cars aren’t the same when it comes to “turtle mode”. I had a situation where I was away from home in the Zoe and public charging failed, and so I discovered that the Zoe warns you at 10 miles range and speed limits (turtle mode) at zero miles. We were once on a long road trip in the Ioniq to a friend’s house, knowing we could use our granny charger at their house, and we knew from sat nav that we would only just make it with a few miles to spare, and with no further public chargers on our planned route we had to either risk it or take a big detour to a charger, so we risked it. We learnt that the Ioniq doesn’t behave the same as the Zoe. In the Ioniq it goes in to turtle mode when you have 5 miles range left, not zero as in the Zoe. This meant that we did the last mile or so in turtle mode (which was quite anxious, going slower than normal traffic) and arrived with just about three miles left. So, lesson learnt is to know that in the Ioniq, the real range until turtle mode is five miles less than what is displayed, whereas the real range on the Zoe until turtle mode is exactly what is on the display.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Very useful info, thanks :)

@davidfyork

5 жыл бұрын

👍

@BioniqBob

5 жыл бұрын

In the Ioniq, If you push the e petal way down it will go faster in turtle mode. (done for safety reasons I assume)

My understanding is that the most damage is done to Li-Ion batteries if they are left at either a high or low state of charge. There is less damage done if the car is immediately driven once given a high state of charge or immediately charged after being run to a low state of charge. Also, in general, slow charging is less damaging than fast.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, thanks :)

Hi just found your channel and have subscribed. Your videos are very professional and easy to understand. Thank you. We are the proud owners of a 2017 28kWh Ioniq for 3 days. Thrilled with it so far..Car in showroom condition inside and out, credit to the previous owner. Awaiting home charge point hopefully later this week so using 3 pin "Granny" charger at the moment which is not a problem in the short term due to the Ioniq being our second car and commuting only about 3 miles. Tried scheduled charging last night which was not successful. But pre-heating worked perfectly. Came out to a lovely warm frost free car at 8am, but charge level still at 50% as when plugged in last night. Wondering am I doing something wrong? I had the charge on schedule box ticked. I didn't use the off-peak time setting schedule; do you have to use this to start charging when using timer? Perhaps the schedule charging does not work when only using the three pin trickle charging? Anyway, minor problem at the moment, as range is not needed first thing in morning. Thanks again for great videos..

@ZeroTailpipe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Hmm... I didn’t use scheduled charging as I was on a single rate tariff. Not sure what the issue is sorry...

Great informative video. I am charging my Kona 64kWh to 100% once a month at the moment, otherwise it is 80% normally.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. The KONA has a charge limiter, I believe? So you can adjust it to stop at 80%... or other amounts?

@trevorbromley-palmer

5 жыл бұрын

Zero Tailpipe it does and I use it all the time. It also calculates the charge time very accurately, today I plugged in at home and it estimated it would get to 80% in 50 minutes, it actually took 49 minutes and 30 seconds. Really pleased with it.

In my leaf I frequently ran it down to I did employ a battery care system of not charging above 80% until just before I needed car - with charge timer. Eventually did 50,000 miles. Sold car recently (changed to Ioniq) - and at point of selling the battery health was still 12 bars / high 90s %

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Great. Thanks for sharing :)

Hi, thanks for the video, I thought I'd seen on another video the Ioniq had a max charge percentage you could set will see if I can find it and will provide the link

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. There’s a limit on the newer KONA. Not on the IONIQ though. (People have suggested here in the comments to do it via schedule timing)

Ours gets a 100% charge regularly 3 times a week. Once every 1 or 2 weeks it gets a rapid charge. When we were away in Cornwall earlier in the year it got charged every night to 100%. It also got 5 or 6 rapid charges a day on the journey there and back. We totalled 1770 miles on that journey. We have now done almost 28000 miles and according to the Torque app the battery still has 100% SOH. Thats in almost 2 years from new.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Fantastic news! I don’t have Android so can’t access the Torque app. If charging to 100% doesn’t cause degradation in the IONIQ I’d happily do that. Currently I have to remember to unplug it before that limit... ;)

@rupertwilson5928

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe Have you tried setting the off-peak tariffs? You could use this to limit the charge, just work out how long it would take to get to around 80% SOC and then set the off-peak tariff to switch off at that time.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Good idea to try, thanks!

@johnr.1592

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe Charging a battery repeatedly to 100% simply will age the battery. Every ev owner starts out not knowing that, but finds that out a few years down the line. Unfortunately the most common charging regiment is something like 55% up to 100% SOC overnight while you sleep, just like a cell phone. And just like a cell phone, the battery degrades and a couple of years down the road, it won't keep up to a full days use. Regularly 10-80% is good 20%-80% SOC is great. 10-70% is even better. 20-70% SOC is greatest.

@gerbre1

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe I recommend buying a cheap Android device and an OBD adapter. Then you can use apps like Torque Pro or EVNotify. With Torque you can read lots of car data including state of health (SOH). With EVNotify you can also read SOH but mainly you can read the state of charge remotely (e.g. while sitting in a cafe while charging) and be notified immediately if charging was aborted due to an error. Here is a video (in German) showing Torque and how to install it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e4SC0surlcy_iNo.html Here is another video (again in German sorry) showing the EVNotify app in action: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pp-Nrst7pKTgdKQ.html For EVNotify you need a SIM card with free data volume preferred (see video).

You are not running your lithium battery down to zero, when your car says zero. It just reaches a set point in the BMS for shut off. This is not damaging the battery. Actually running it to zero would.

My Ioniq Electric is my second electric car after owning a BMW i3 and I think it is fair to say with both cars I have lived life on the edge of excitement when it comes to squeezing the most out the battery! I have taken my Ioniq on a couple of 156 mile round trips to see family, starting at 100% each time and arriving back home on the last red bar before a recharge (in summer). On both trips I did get a "charge now" reminder but no sign of the dreaded tortoise, slow running or zero miles left so I assume the car still had something in reserve. As for the guessometer, I have found the Ioniq good but not as accurate as BMW i3, which was always absolutely spot-on. If I had a 75 mile journey and the guessometer said 76 miles range the car i would always arrive with 1 mile range left, as predicted (yes, I really do cut it that fine...quite exciting in a strange sort of way). Thanks for the videos, really good.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. 156 mile actual trip is very impressive! I’ve only driven the i3 for about an hour on a test drive. Liked it but only 4 seats and higher price (even second hand for the one we fancied) sadly ruled it out for us... Good to know it’s GOM is dead on ;)

I've been down to 9 miles left with my, previous, 22 kWh Zoe, but I only had 3 miles to go to the charger and 6 miles from home (stopped at the charger first). With my 41 kWh Zoe I rarely go lower than 30 miles remaining, but that's because the extra gives you so many options to charge along your journey, so I tend now to fill when I stop for a comfort break. Like Robert Llewellyn I now tend to suffer from bladder anxiety rather than range anxiety. We also tend to take a picnic and charge whilst eating. (Zoe doesn't show charge remaining as a % except on first start up or are charging.)

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Useful info, thanks :) I’m going to have to start packing food. Choices and prices at services are not the best...

Soon 4 years with "24kWh" Leaf. I normally only charge at work, when needed. Try to take the bicycle, so Mrs takes the Leaf so it's a bit of planning sometimes. Would be so much easier to have charging at home, especially with that short range.. Normally charge before 20%, or at least leave home with 20%. Summer I'll tend to limit to 80%, but need the 100% in (Norvegian) winter. If I had chargepoint at home, I believe I would charge to 80% whenever under 60%. On "longer" journeys, I'll use QC as little as possible and estimate arrival at home with about 10% margin. Have been down to **** quite a few times, never seen turtle, and never stranded.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Thanks for sharing :)

I would be interested in learning how you are planning longer Trips. Do you use some special software or tools online or the onboard navigation system? What safety precaution do you consider in planning a long distance trip? Do you think this would be a topic you would do a video to? It did you already cover this topic in a previous video?

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I have an earlier video on 10 stages to rapid charge. That’s a bit of a humorous take on it though... but fairly true ;) I’d rather not have to plan and I don’t really have backups en route. Slow charging is a last resort. I have apps that show chargers from all the various networks. I plan to try them out more, as I’ve been a bit overly reliant on one network so far (Ecotricity UK).

Since a week I have also a Ionic electric. And due to an extra unplanned trip I reach turtle mode. The trips I made are 40 km one way and I have 50 km range but I didn't know that the last few km was turtle mode. When it happened it was a bit scary. You lose a lot off power. And it force you to go to the closest charge point. And that is what I did. 1.5 km was the closest charge point and my end destination was 3 km drive. I didn't want to get stranded with the car. So after 30 min charging I was confidence enough to reach home.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting, thanks. I’ve not experienced the power limit yet. I may try to do it locally at some point to catch it on film. We’ll see...

The Ioniq battery use and charging is amazing and at 18 minutes to charge on a rapid you have to ask if you need to spend all that extra money on say a Kona especially given that even in this colder weather I am yet to get less than 140 miles.. I got the turtle once which was fun pulled into my drive with 2% showing

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Still waiting for any 50kW+ chargers in U.K. though. Once there are, and enough of them, range will be less of a concern, I agree :)

Hi about my use of charging I've had my Ioniq premium 3 and half years from new over the past year had noticed that the range after charging to full every time was slowly dropping My second year of ownership saw the range around 148 miles however the third year saw this drop to 118 max this was causing me to charge more on longer journeys I took this up with the dealer when it went in for its third annual service they turned round and said I needed to take it to turtle mode a few times before charging at home the first time I did this was very worrying as many warnings came up however I did as was asked A lot longer on the home charge for not a lot of gain in range (120) tried again 122 The third time I gave up before the turtle mode due to the anxiety it was causing me still a 4 hour charge at home on the 7kw charger gave me 128 miles The next time 132 miles I haven't been on the rapids yet but hoping to soon just to see the effects It may only seem a few extra miles gained but we always seem to need more Has this happened to anyone else ? I'm sure this is down to charging companies installing slow chargers at outlets so you only get a few miles for an hour on charge so you plug in at another one just because they are there to use and slowly kill your maximum range that you can achieve Great video's that you put up Hey while I'm on have you gone to the land of covered charging stations ? over here in the UK not many companies think about the sighting of their equipment out in the open in all weathers fiddling with cards, phones, and cables not so nice even in the summer I've had bad weather to contend with

Hi, very informative video. Could you please explain whenever I charge my ioniq on polar public rapid charging points it only charges up to 94% then it stopped. Does it happen with your car as well?

@ZeroTailpipe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It’s a design feature on the 1st generation IONIQ Electric. It stops at 94% on all rapid chargers - to avoid very slow charging for those last few percent. No way to override it sadly...

I have a 2012 i-MiEV. Typically I don't go below 25% charge and charge to 100%. The 6 year old battery still has 91% of original capacity. I once ran it down to "zero" just before the turtle triggered. i-MiEV has about a 10km range buffer once the turtle shows, bars and GOM zero.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Useful to know, thanks for sharing :)

@MrKeke2502

5 жыл бұрын

i-MiEV will go in turtle mode when battery is below 10%

Hi, When I got my new 2018 Leaf in late September this year, I was rapid charging it every day and would not let it get below 50%. This was mainly due to 2 factors; an Ecotricity Pump that was on free vend for about 4 weeks near my office base. this made me clock up 2000 miles in about 6 weeks. I have since discovered several 7 kw posts on the Polar network that are free (subject to the polar subcription service), and I have been now relying on these with reduced range anxiety, so much so that I now hardly ever charge at home despite having economy seven at 8.56 pence/kwh. The most annoying thing with the leaf is very overly enthusiastic GOM that exaggarates range only to have it falling off a cliff especially below 30% when it then begins to show what I believe to be available range. I have experienced --- (dash dash dash) once with 8 miles to reach Toddington South, but as I have leaf spy, I knew that we would make it. The maximum distance I have travelled between Charges is 103 miles doing 60mph with a few hammerings of 70 mph plus VAT..., from Nottingham, to junction 9 of the M1, with 11 miles to spare as per GOM. I now just treat my Leaf as if it had only 100 mile range for peace of mind.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Great info thanks. Leaf Spy and the Android app that’s apparently available for the IONIQ seem to give more accurate info that can be helpful to the driver in these instances. Not sure why the manufacturers couldn’t find some innovative, comprehensible way to make this info available to the driver by default, without OBD dongles and apps...

@raptorpome2577

3 жыл бұрын

How big is the battery kWh on the leaf

@DavidNGacuca

3 жыл бұрын

@@raptorpome2577 Hi, the leaf 40 has a 40kWh battery pack with 38 kWh available energy when new. After 52000 miles and over 400 rapid charges over a 2 year period, my Leaf had only 33.8 kWh available power/ energy in winter and about 34.5kWh in the summer. Maximum range was about 110miles in the winter and maybe 120miles in the summer. I hope this helps.

@charlesriley16

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidNGacuca chill with the rapid charging

I charge most often with the wall mounted charging box (from Clever.dk). It delivers approx. 3.5 kW. I always charge to 100%. It happens occasionally that I drive the car down to the three red lines (13% remaining) or less, but ofest I try to avoid this because it can be a little nerve wracking to have as little in reserve. I rarely use the granny cable. I have put the timer in the car to start charging at 10pm. The only reason for this is that it is easy to check the power consumption of the car on my electricity supplier (for the house) as it is possible to read the consumption hour by hour each day in the past.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info :)

I drive a 2018 Ioniq Electric as well and got it down to 11% last week, a bit scary but it was close to home.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Did a warning light come on at that point, like it says in the manual?

@RobertWelling

5 жыл бұрын

Zero Tailpipe yep, it did but I only had about 8km to go. I already drove without any heating, navigation and the rest for many kilometers so see what happens. The temperature was pretty low (2c) as well.

Interesting. My PHEV handels it a bit differently, I was on a long trip (around 560km one way and then back again) this week and I did not charge on my way. I can go as far as 50-60km until the car switches to hybrid mode (battery below 25%), then it becomes interesting. The system will still charge via generator (ICE), but can also disconnect it from the generator, but it will also use the battery to accelerate and even drive fully electric. I observed a charge as low as 7% and that still seemed to be tolerable by the system, since it was free to choose not to use the battery and only run on the ICE and/or charge via generator.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I’d like to try the PHEV at some point. Seems like they have a sophisticated management system for the two drivetrains in it, and of course it will share the great aerodynamic efficiency of the Electric too...

I am looking to buy my first ev. I'm thinking 2016 Nissan leaf or 2016 Kia Soul. The more I look..the more unsure I become. Any thoughts, opinions would be greatly appreciated. I have to make a decision soon.

Look fwd to more ioniq video's specifically battery cooling whilst charging and driving

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I know there is some battery management in the IONIQ - not as advanced as the newer KONA electric though. I’ve never heard it working in our IONIQ even while charging. Not really sure how I’d film it... I think I’d need the special third party app to know when/if it was working

@MovieViking

3 жыл бұрын

I is easily heard in my Ioniq but it only starts when using Ionity 150KW chargers and while the car charges at 150 amps or more

I charge up at various SoC levels... from roughly rarely 60%, mostly around 40%, and once-in-a-while down to 10% or even 5% a few times.. I have LEAF 2017.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Good to know, thanks :)

@be236

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe I mainly charge up in public.. so I drive it as much as I can on one charge, unless I see an opportunity to charge up on public before it gets low to 10% or what not...

My Kona manual only mentions to avoid rapid (DC) charging where possible and has the same 20% (cell balancing?) note as the Ionia. I generally stay between 30 and 80% when driving locally and 30 to 100% when on a trip, where I will use DC chargers freely. The DC chargers I encountered on my last trip were 25kW which I would consider gentle on the battery. I would be interested to know if sitting at 100% charge is any more stressful than charging at 46kW plus for several tens of percent SoC. I suspect that it is and as such it’s better to avoid 100% in favour of more frequent rapid charging.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing :)

I charge my ioniq on fast chargers more than at home. When charging on fast chargers the car stops the charge at 92-94% depending on temperature outside and battery temp. I have a 32amp home charger and use that to charge to 100% when I am going to leave within an hour or so on longer run. Regularly using fast chargers seems to have no effect on battery as yet.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. This is good to know. I’ve not yet seen the IONIQ stop at 92%. Does it do that when the battery is too hot...?

@alanfrench6170

5 жыл бұрын

Zero Tailpipe It is a bit due to heat , but it can be the air temperature as well. If you have been on a long run and then charge or the weather is hot it will stop about 92% but if it is colder or you have not gone far it will go to 94%. This is on the Delta chargers we have in New Zealand. The chargers than are run by ChargeNet here go to 80% then stop unless you override them then they go to 100%. The ChargeNet are paid to use and they also slow the charge rate after 80% which starts to cost you more.

Personally I don't mind driving a car close to empty. While I'm still waiting for my BEV, in my current ICE car I've had a --- on the range meter a few times already. And twice I fueled it up with more fuel than the tank can hold. Just don't feel like fuelling it up when there's still plenty of fuel in the tank. By the time the warning light comes up I can still do about the same range as a fully charged Ioniq ;) The batteries in most EVs are protected agains deep discharge, so you can't really damage them by driving them close to 0. The only important thing is to not leave them at a low SOC for a long time. For long time storage (more than 2 weeks without use) it is recommended to get a charge around 60% to 80 in the battery.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Good to know, thanks :)

In Switzerland the granny charger comes with our own 3 pin Swiss electric plug (it can't be used in Europe on shuko sockets) and the current is limited to 6, 4 and 3A instead of the 9, 6 and 3A as written in the manual. At "high rate" I inject only 1.5 KW. I need 23 hours to store 23KWh (20 to 100% charge), considering that the internal AC to DC converter and Battery Management System are sucking up hundreds of Watts to operate. So 25% of energy is actually lost (instead of 15% or less). Our regular Swiss sockets are limited to 10A and many appliances like the hair dryer are actually getting close to that limit, but for an obscur reason Hyundai reduced the max power usable To 6A. I asked around why that much but could not get any good answer yet. It is a bit disapointing but not a problem: I charge twice a month 12hours overnight or 9hours at my workplace, all public parkings in Geneva are equiped with free 3.7KW slow chargers and a few solid 50KW rapid chargers (0.25 to 0.50€ per minute) are available a couple a streets away, if ever needed. One year old 4250km 100% SOH IONIQ is pretty happy 😀!

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the detailed, interesting info :)

@Specwinclean

5 жыл бұрын

How do you know it's at 100% SOH?

@marcohdtv

5 жыл бұрын

@@Specwinclean As I don't own a ODBC dongle to diagnose myself the car with my smartphone, I just had my 1st yearly service and requested to have access to the Battery managment checkup report. All cells are reporting to have the exact same voltage (no unbalanced cells, 1% precision) and Battery Mngt System reports 100% SOH (no loss of usable capacity). Now, it is unofficially known that the 28KWh usable capacity is maintained using an hidden 10% security buffer (effective battery capacity is around 31KWh). Nice consequences are i) the slightly faster degradation during the first years is absorbed, no disappointment for the new ev owner, good publicity for the brand, ii) DC fast charging is possible until a virtual 94% of SOC (effectively 84% which is a common limit for lithium battery packs). From the latest reports I had seen on the internet, IONIQ BEVs "normally" driven and charged which have reached 30000km are not showing signs of degradation. Remember Hyundai engineers are Korean. They know summer as very hot (exceeding 35°C) and winters as very cold (mostly negative temperature down to -20°C with strong winds from the Chinese desert of Gobi which were devastating during the last Pyeongchang Olympic games).

@stargatesc

5 жыл бұрын

marcohdtv A Genève nous avons un seul chargeur public 50kwh sur le site de l'aéroport ouvert à tous les utilisateurs, nous avons un 20kwh ccs combo sur la parking de confignon, celui de amag petit-lancy ou la station est en travaux n'est plus accessible depuis août 2018, celui des acacias chez BMW est réservé aux clients de la marque et celui de ubs la praille est réservé aux clients de l'UBS, donc je charge à vitam parc ou la recharge ne coûte que 4,17euros en taxi j'ai pas le choix c'est un vrai problème dans cette ville pour les professionnels d'avoir à disposition qu'un seul chargeur 50kwh et surtout sur le site de l'aéroport ou la recharge est facturé 0,70cts le kwh plus le parking gratuit 5 minutes et ensuite 1chf par tranche de 5 minutes honteux. La bonne nouvelle est que greenmotion (evpass) ont signé un contrat avec tamoil pour déployer des chargeurs 20kwh en ccs combo, les stations tamoil commenceront à être équipé d'ici la fin de l'année 2019 selon greenmotion, vivement que les superchargeurs Tesla soient ouvert à tous.

@marcohdtv

5 жыл бұрын

@@stargatesc merci Claudio! 20KWh ? Vraiment? Ridicule! Ma IONIQ accepte 66KWh quand je charge chez Gofast avec ma carte Swisscharge (39cts le kilowatt+ 10cts/min). Mais seulement quand je voyage hors Genève (premier chargeur à Rossens) . A noter que les 70cts/kwh c'est effectivement 2x plus que la moyenne européenne et 3x plus que chez certains opérateurs! Cette différence est problématique.

I bought this ioniq 28KW last month, wondering how to restrict charging upto 80%, instead of letting it charge til 100%. I see doesn't support App also. does ot have charge limiter setting?

@ZeroTailpipe

3 жыл бұрын

No way to limit it that I know, sorry...

I've only run the battery flat once before. It was all my fault for not following the cars instructions and charge for the final leg of my journey home, I thought I'd make it... But I missed it by 2 city blocks. I felt like an idiot! And have never run down a battery since.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Did you get towed? Did the manufacturer provide assistance? Interested to know in case I’m ever in the same situation...

@abbaby555

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe actually I let it sit for a half an hour and it restarted and I made it home and plugged in for the night.

@michelmethorst5038

5 жыл бұрын

@@abbaby555 how can it restart after run down?? And how far could you go, did it show?

@abbaby555

5 жыл бұрын

@@michelmethorst5038 well the battery actually recoups a little when you shut it completely down and we drove about 2 blocks from where it died and quit again in the driveway with all it's warnings flashing up on the dash as it did the first time it left me on the side of the road. Again it was my fault, thinking I didn't need to plug in earlier and follow the nav sat for the shortest route. A real bone head move on my part. Well, have a merry Christmas, cheers!

I just got an Ioniq 2020 and it said the range would be 311Km , but the salesman told it would be a realistic 280km range but in fact it's range is around 240-250km I am disappointed, there is anything to do? I only drive on ECO mode and heat up the car connected before go away to avoid used so much heating when the trip starts.

@ZeroTailpipe

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, keep an eye on your miles or km per kWh in your trip history. If you are getting 4 or 5 miles (6.4 to 8 km) per kWh then you’re getting reasonable efficiency for an IONIQ. In winter (5-10C or below) it may be close to 4. In summer (20C+) then 6 or 7 may be achievable. If you’re not getting these numbers it could be any combination of hard acceleration, higher speeds, elevation changes, vehicle load etc

the problem of ioniq is that the remaining 6 miles are not real before the total breakdown I did the test in January 2019 and now I do not risk it anymore, since this annoying adventure I do not move anymore without consulting the Better Routeplanner application I enter the destination with the percentage of battery that I have left and I know exactly where I have to charge and how long the load must last to get to the destination by taxi I have not much choice.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I didn’t know that, as I’ve not run my this low. Is this a consistent issue at the 6 miles remaining? Or a one-off due to battery balancing issues do you think...?

@stargatesc

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe Very good question, today I went to the hyundai agency to solve this problem with the trained electric car mechanic, we tried the ioniq with 10% remaining battery the result was catastrophic 2.8 miles performed before shutdown total of the car. Currently the ioniq is still at hyundai for diagnostic because according to the mechanic it's not normal. The car it satisfies me fully with the conditions that we have in Geneva I turn between 110 miles and 130 miles with a load and heating set in auto on 21 °, the problem is these 10% remaining it is rare that I go down below 20% but sometimes I have no choice because I do the taxi and it is played at 1 or 2 miles to get to a charging station. I'll see tomorrow what hyundai says.

Just bought a 2018 Ioniq Premium 28KWh and my Granny-charger lets me chose between 6, 9 and 12 A. Though Danish house installation cannot provide anymore than 6A for more than 2 hours, so the 12A setting is dangerous unless it is plugged into a dedicated 16A power outlet. AFAIK your Ioniq as well as mine cannot AC-charge with more than 6,6 KW and as it is single phase that drops to 3,6 KW in Denmark. So my question is: How much benefit do you get from your wallcharger?

@ZeroTailpipe

3 жыл бұрын

I never used a Granny charger much. My 32 Amp dedicated wall unit was my main go to facility... That worked fine in the U.K. I think in Denmark you’d need extra wiring off the main fuse box or similar?

@MovieViking

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe Thanks. That makes sense. In Britain you’re allowed and can safely draw 32 A from one phase. I may only draw 16 A and to get full benefit from the on-board charger I need a box that combines two phases into one. Problem is that they are expensive, makes a loud humming noise, use a horrendous amount of energy in stand-by and introduce a loss around 20%. I have settled for a 3,7 KW single-phase wallbox that is portable and therefore can be used in the in-laws cottage. I have discovered that when I use “Clever” chargers with 50KW CCS and 43KW AC Type2 the latter lets the Ioniq charge at the full 6KW the onboard charger is capable of. I use that to charge to 94% on DC and the to 100% on AC while my wife does the shopping 😂

No wonder your Leaf would never go as far as the GOM indicated if you never allowed the SOC to go below 19%; the estimated distance does include the miles that you would require you to go below that mark, and indeed all the way to empty;-). Seriously though, I'd like to defend the utility of the Leaf 24kWh GOM, as I find it pretty reliable if used correctly. What you show _not_ do is turn on the car, look at the GOM and suppose you can drive of and realise that distance. (If you need to know whether you can manage a certain distance, check the SOC, the weather, the route and your experience with the car, and maybe do some math yourself.) What does work is check the GOM after having driven part of the route to estimate whether you can make it to your destination or the next charging stop; here the GOM has had the chance to adapt to the actual conditions of the day. The test is to see while driving whether the sum of the distance driven and the estimated remaining distance is more or less constant, and my experience is that it is in the 24kWh Leaf, as long as the driving conditions are fairly stable (one does see rather significant fluctuations when the road starts to climb, when changing average speed, or even just direction in the presence of wind). Test driving the 40kWh Leaf I saw Nissan has changed this since: the GOM seems to just give the same information as SOC with some fixed factor, with as result that on the motorway every predicted km was only about 800m long in practice.

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting info, thanks. My next video is going to be on ‘Comfort Zone’ as distinct from usable range - as you’ve noted, that’s an important difference... :)

I'm waiting for my Ioniq. Still 5,5 months to go. But I guess I will us the evnotify app to monitor the state of charge. I will use the trickle charger at home on a WiFi enabled socket. So that I can switch it off without going out to the car and maybe even automate it with ifttt or something like this. I have a 22kW Type2 Charger about 5 minutes to walk away. It's free. So I guess if I need more power fast I will use this. I only have a few kilometres per day to my commute. So I guess I won't charge every day. Maybe every 2nd or 3rd. Up to 90%. In case of an appointment I have every 2 weeks with longer driving I will charge it to full and when we are going on a trip I will also fill it up to 100%. I'm planning my trips with one of the online tools so that I have about 25 to 30% left when I will be arriving at a charger. Mainly to have an emergency buffer if the charger is occupied or defect, so that I'm going to be able to reach an other one. That's how I'm going to plan my charging. ;) Btw. I really like your videos. Great information, clearly structured and not so much blabla. ;) PS: sorry for the loss. :(

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks and thanks. Sounds like you’ve got a great setup and plan when your IONIQ eventually arrives. :) A lot of blah blah does end up on the cutting room floor so to speak... still working on becoming more concise and to the point ;)

@gnashermedia

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe I like it like it is. A bit personality is good and makes it interesting. Keep your style. *Thumbs up*

You can charge to 100%, there is a buffer on top to prevent visible degradation otherwise Joe public would get scared when they keep charging their cars and then the car shows lower range

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Good to know, thanks :)

@Plexipal

5 жыл бұрын

Zero Tailpipe yeah, its not like a Tesla where 100% is true 100%. I believe this is why Kona has a charge limit because the full 64Kwh capacity is available

What happens after 8 years, when the warranty for the battery expires and the range is no longer sufficient. How much is a new battery?

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Frankly... I’m not sure. The issue has been talked about with Nissan LEAFs. The early ones would be about 6,000 USD to replace. For the IONIQ... hmm... I’ve no idea sorry ...

@coisnotpog

4 жыл бұрын

Where do you live that the warranty is only 8 years? I have a 2019 Ioniq and it has a lifetime battery warranty in the US.

Can i charge ioniq with nissan leaf granny cable ???

@ZeroTailpipe

4 жыл бұрын

Possibly. I’ve never tried sorry

@paguliukas

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroTailpipe got from ebay genuine hyundai charger so lucky me :)

well 78580km NEWER run out, one time in turtle for 500 meter. (30kWh LEAF)

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Great to hear this experience :)

worse comes to worse just pull up at somebodys place and offer them $50 to use their powerpoint for a couple of hours to get you going ?

@ZeroTailpipe

5 жыл бұрын

Yes :)