How long until a town center pays off?
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Building new town centers definitely pay off, but how long does that take? Let's see how great of an investment second and third towns really are!
0:35 Resource cost, converted into time
1:50 Construction time
2:26 Cost of creating villagers at the new TC
3:40 Payoff time if you only made one villager at th TC
4:10 Calculating the payoff time for constant villager production
5:00 Graph of the results
5:56 Other civilizations (Perians, Britons, Indians)
6:35 Unquantifiable factors to consider
Data in a Google Spreadsheet (you'll need to copy or download before editing):
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This game is so realistic, seeing that, in my experience, every newborn child is also the result of about 140 seconds of collective effort
@krishnasriram5369
2 жыл бұрын
LMAO😂🔥
Having to justify one's own creation is hard
@jamestipsfedora
5 жыл бұрын
Alexa, this is so sad.
@SY-jd7dm
5 жыл бұрын
Can we get 2 likes?
@adrim7924
5 жыл бұрын
@@jamestipsfedora play despacito
@nemou4985
5 жыл бұрын
My answer is zero seconds after done. The HP and defensive ability already justifies it as a fortification.
hours played in AoEII: 1000 hrs hours played in Microsoft Office Excel: over 9,000 hrs
@kyle35_36
3 жыл бұрын
It’s over 9000!!!
Nice video again Sotl. One more thing to mention: A town center also helps economy by making one less mill, a mining camp and a lumber camp. Also a town center is equal to one house which need some woods to support population as well as stone for guarding them like a watch/guard tower. (Edited house pop.)
@toes5032
5 жыл бұрын
1
@mrkirby8622
5 жыл бұрын
A tc supports only 5 pop. AKA one house.
@Ibrahim_Orhan
5 жыл бұрын
@@mrkirby8622 Oh absolutely right. Maybe i am under effect of JackieChan movies which include Chinatowns :)
@ToteVirusanti
5 жыл бұрын
@@VandalGaming-gw6bt if you are Spanish or Incas you can use your own villagers
@TracerJ243
5 жыл бұрын
+1 Up you go
even thought I've never played aoe2 myself, I feel like I have an understanding of the game just from watching this channel alone.
@garrettdamron2226
5 жыл бұрын
its on sale on steam right now for like 4 dollars if you are interested in picking it up
@Henri-email-archive
5 жыл бұрын
you know what, I think I just might do that.
@davidryan5482
5 жыл бұрын
Stayn Wayn You really should. I’m 46 and it’s in my top 5 all time games.
@Henri-email-archive
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like I would never really be able to get good at it though, since all the other players have had years of practice.
@theodentherenewed4785
5 жыл бұрын
Understanding - yes, but it all takes some practise to do. Execution is harder than decision-making part in this game.
History fact: most European towns grew around a church or castle, followed by economic buildings such as market stalls, slaughterhouses, and banks, then finally wood or wattle-and-daub huts for villagers. Similarly Arabic and African towns sprung up around a mosque or market hub, with trade being a much more common factor for a settlement than European towns. Polynesian towns were centered around fishing and sea trade, with religious influence limited to mostly the local settlement, as opposed to the widespread organization of Catholicism and Islam. Wouldn't it be nice if instead of a town center we just built a monastery or dock?
@PigeonAnimation
5 жыл бұрын
Would be cool for a new aoe if you could choose if your nation is more economicaly (market) religiously (monastery/church) etc focused and start with an according building
@teddywoods6463
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but how would you tech up without the TC
@CiliophoraEuplotes
5 жыл бұрын
I think that we can interpret the town center as a generic representative of the central building (castle, church, etc.) assuming there were no historical town centers or town halls in medieval times (at least I've never seen anything like that).
@PigeonAnimation
5 жыл бұрын
@@teddywoods6463 was thinking more of different town center types which you could use as usual but with different specialities like religion centered players can recruit monks from the beginning and marine centered ones start with a tc at the coast which can build ships
@drakan4769
5 жыл бұрын
@@teddywoods6463 well with AoE3 introducing the off-map home city, you could tech up from there in a future game
A town center is also a universal drop-off point for resources. It costs less wood than building a mill, lumber camp, and mining camp separately, although it does also cost stone and obviously won't be placed as efficiently as if you built those individual buildings instead of the TC. But if you were going to build one of those anyway, you're really only out 175 wood and 100 stone. A TC is never placed in a vacuum, so most of the time you're going to be placing it next to resources that you would have built a lumber or mining camp next to anyway, and even after those are gone you can still use it for farming. So really, when compared to building both a mill (for farms) and a lumber/mining camp, you're only out 75 wood and 100 stone, or even up 25 wood if you would have built all three. And that's in addition to using it for defense and villager creation.
@SenatorAri
5 жыл бұрын
And also increases your max population, so saves on houses also.
@IamMuldeh
5 жыл бұрын
Amen, this is what I was waiting for him to factor in the whole video but he missed it. :(
@beastwarsFTW
3 жыл бұрын
It also can serve as a safehouse if you start in an undesirable location.
I guessed right! Also this went way deeper than I expected, great video as always.
Calculating the worth of a product in workhours? *Karl Marx wants to know your location*
@NuclearNuke41
3 жыл бұрын
Who?
@ARTEMISXIX
3 жыл бұрын
@Carcantos Cartinho bruh
@bencampbell5468
3 жыл бұрын
@Carcantos Cartinho Karl Marx being racist? That's possibly the most luke-warm take I've ever heard.
@patrickm.4469
3 жыл бұрын
@@NuclearNuke41 the "Inventor" of Communism/Marxism
@seanwhitehall4652
3 жыл бұрын
what?
Cool Video. Enjoyed it as usual! Question back: How long does it take for Spirit to do another Road to 1800? A. Bout a month B. Half a year C. A full year D. Just a little short of a lifetime
@Nagel256
5 жыл бұрын
c
@satyakisil4289
5 жыл бұрын
E. Just a little longer than an entire life.
@eccentrichorse11
5 жыл бұрын
I am off to make a graph and an equation.
@wilderun04
5 жыл бұрын
NOW. DO IT NOW.
@johnapple6646
5 жыл бұрын
But will it be before The Viper finishes every age of empires campaign ever made?
This video is the kind of content that's making me love this channel. It's very scientific in the sense that it focuses on a single question and tries to analyze it in the most measurable way possible in order to get the best and most objective answer. Fantastic work, man!
Thank u for the new video! Great work :)
You are great! I really appreciate and love your work!
Another very nice vídeo! Cheers!
I found out about this channel the day before yesterday. I've quite enjoyed your other videos, but this one is getting into economic theory so much it makes me want to reread Das Kapital :)
Your VOICE is one of the best parts of your video, Spirit of the Life.
Your videos always put a smile on my face.
@karlzobok
5 жыл бұрын
Hello there
A new Spirit of the Law video? Valentine's day came early this year :')
Great video as always, thanks
More than any other SOTL video, this one left me with more questions than answers
never thought the building time is a major resources of having a new town center. GREAT VID!
Awesome video!
gald you are back man
So great, even now years later this video is fascinating
Was the intro song forgotten or left out of the video intentionally?
@Kevin-wx7wu
5 жыл бұрын
It's intentionally left out in shorter videos
@priyagopalbiswas3358
5 жыл бұрын
yeah i missed that sound.i like it very much😍😍
Thanks for the video, I learned alot
Love the new format sans intro!
Could you do a video on the archery range? I personally struggle at times at which ranged unit I should focus on (Arbalest, HC or CA). A video with all the pros and cons of each unit in different situations would be very helpful. Keep up the good work!
Very good video!! :)
Amazing job, l am impresed with you using a spreedshet.
Hey Spirit, pls make a video on siege towers!!
Hey, it is also a Mill, MiningCamp and LumberCamp in one, you save wood by building the towncenter (if you placed it perfectly) also it shoots arrows and is an awesome defend building, better than anything that costs 100 stone. In an attack, it pays off in an instant, because you save a lot of vills 140 seconds per villager and kill enemys if you get attacked. alot of vill seconds per kill because you don't need millitary units. I know you said it at the end, but this is worth so much that it wins or loses you the game :) I don't play that much myself, but by watching others play and occasionally playing on my own, the second TC is the best thing you can go for in defending and saving res.
I haven't played AoE2 in many years, I watch all your videos as they come out. Man I love your maths
Great videos :)
Excellent Choice!
Bro I love your videos so much
I stared playing this game AGAIN a few months ago thanks to you, stoped playing because I got bored, and still watching you
I miss your intro. not sure why its not included in every episode. I've also wonder why youtubers dont include ingame music to their videos. Ensemble nailed it, and I still listen to ingame music to this day. cheers, thanks for all your insight and helpful videos!
Hi, I would suggest considering the following factors as well: 1. Town Centers provide 5 housing. A house costs 25 villager seconds + 30 wood (approximately 60 seconds) = 85 seconds. 2. The additional farms would have been built eventually, so you could either disregard the farm cost or adjust it by a factor of 0.6 as an opportunity cost. 3. Town Centers are optimally situated between trees, and a stone/gold mine, also serving as a mill afterwards (at least half a mill until trees/mines are cleared). It becomes a full mill once all wood/mines are cleared post-TC, if we want 90%+ farm efficiency. This item should be considered as an opportunity cost as well, given that we might not want to build a mill, lumbercamp or mining camp at that moment, So applying a factor like 0.9 here would be appropriate. I pick as high as 0.9 here because we'd really need new lumbercamps, mining camps at the beginning of Castle Age anyway. I didn't multiply by 0.9 here here because i'm a bit lazy after this long comment. Based on building cost and time: a) 1 building (lumber camp/mine): 35 seconds build time + 100 wood (about 190 seconds) = 225 seconds. b) 1.5 buildings: 345 seconds. c) 2 buildings: 450 seconds. d) 2.5 buildings: 560 seconds. e) 3 buildings: 665 seconds. This adjustment would reduce the payoff duration. For option a (225 + 85 from house ≈ 300), the payoff time would be 6:40. For option e (665 + 85 from house = 750), it would be 5:50. Considerations: 1. If you think we don't need additional lumbercamp/mining camp/ mill at that moment you can lower the opportunity cost. 2. We might make seperate calculations for: a) Chinese (15 housing) - moderate. b) Sicilians (100% faster TC built) - significant. c) Spanish (30% faster TC built) - Important , but it also reduces the value it adds as an economic building. d) Huns (No house) - minor. e) Berbers (faster walking villagers) - just for fun f) Britons, Bulgarians, Incas, Malians: Less resources for TC. g) Lithuanians: 100 food ( 100 * 60./ 23.975 = 250 seconds saved) h) Tatars: 2 sheep (200 food, can delay farms). i) Japanese: Nearly halves the economic building benefits mentioned, costing 50% less wood. j) Armenians / Georgians: Decreases the opportunity costs of economic buildings thanks to mule carts, but I think it's still applicable since at the starting of castle age, you would need additional mule carts anyway. k) Romans: 5% towards everything positive and negative in the calculation, so it wouldn't affect much (except for villager creation time farmer's gathering rate, which could be neglected) l) Persians and Hindustanis: You've already covered them. m) Poles: I wouldn't place my farms around a tc as Poles, as I love the folwark + farm duo. I'd expect you to more MATHY , my dear friend :)
not exactly the video i needed, but definetly the video i wanted !
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When I see that SOTL uploads a new video, I close anything I do, like the video first and start watching
yeah but you might want to add a initial travel time,maybe the cost of attention, maybe the cost of securing additonal space, and surely the cost of camps.. im realy inspired by your video though and i am looking forward to see more stuff like this!
A smart video given the increasingly popular one town center strategy.
Great Video as always! Have you thought about making a Video on Age of Empires learning curve? And how a new player might get into the game, whats the best way to learn the basics etc. The game doesnt really have pacing like an MMO, so i would be really interested in your thoughts on that.
I had it in my gut I said about 7min to 10min as I had the feeling that's when my economy started to prosper, thanks that you confirmed my feeling.
@aaronsmith7946
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was with you. My guess was 7 minutes and my backup guess was 10. You have to have a secondary guess just so you don't feel stupid...unless, of course, you get both wrong
Great video! One subject I'd love to see a "Spirit of the Law Clinic" on is those key "first seconds" (and then first few minutes) of the game. For example... am I better hitting "H-C-C-C" first to get villagers queueing, or quickly grabbing the existing villagers and getting a house going so I don"t get housed as soon as the first villager finishes -- is there a difference in getting that first villager out most quickly or in avoiding the most amount of time being housed in between the first and second villagers? I"m guessing that both of those things are more important that (a) getting the scout moving, (b) getting the sheep over to the TC, and (c) having somebody build that traditional second house that I don"t actually need yet but efficiently uses the villager time before I have the sheep found/organized, but I then I don't know the relative tradeoffs of those three things either. Another question that seems valid... should I be grabbing ALL THREE villagers to get that key first house done (the one that de-houses me) even though it's nominally less efficient of a villager's time than having one of them build the second house, because it critically cuts the time I am housed at the TC, making the second and third villagers (and hopefully all the other ones) appear more quickly? And is there stuff you can show us about whether it's important to get that key first sheep into a perfect "sweet spot" under the town center, or is "close enough good enough" at least for the first sheep to get villagers going. Etc, etc, etc. And then should I give the scout a circular waypoint order or be manually switching back and forth. Etc. How near does a deer need to be to my TC or Mill for sending e.g. four villagers to hunt it is better than having them on berries/sheep, faster than farming, etc. I bet you could do a whole video on the first five minutes of the game! Maybe more than one!
Could you please make a video on the different architectural styles for civilizations in the original aoe2 and the hd expansions? Thanks!
@scottb9997
5 жыл бұрын
he has alreaady
@spartankongcountry6799
4 жыл бұрын
@@scottb9997 No he hasnt
My prof also gives an option of "All of the above" and "None of the above" too. This option drives me crazy
0:56 Spirit of the Law explains Marx's Labour Theory of Value...
@oscars7948
5 жыл бұрын
Fin Lay even math is a communist
@emschafe
5 жыл бұрын
Well, in AoE2 the villagers are all equally competent mindless slaves. None of those variations or responding to incentives to gum up the math.
@KC-bg1th
5 жыл бұрын
@@emschafe Not necessarily. I never gave my villager permission to stop and fight the wolf, yet they still did despite glorious pallisade walls needing to be built. This just proved that they're disloyal, replaceable and only worth as much as they provide for the motherland.
@KuraIthys
4 жыл бұрын
In the real world it's hard to cleanly define what something is 'worth' because it's value to individuals is subjective and can vary. A game on the other hand, while still having elements of this (should I build a castle, or a town centre? Which do I need more right now?), has hard-coded costs that aren't based around economics. A town centre always costs X stone and Y wood, and that never varies. The time to gather a certain amount of wood is near constant. Food eaten by a villager is near constant. Productivity of a villager is near constant (barring mismanagement or stupid AI) So, of course you can calculate this in terms of 'time'. And it's not quite Marx's theory, since the 'work' of some units has more value than others. (this can be determined, ironically enough, by how much time it cost to create any given unit. - more expensive units have higher costs per unit time. Eg in a roundabout way they get 'paid' more.)
@ARojas-dg2ce
4 жыл бұрын
@jocaguz18 Just accept communism is trash.
There's another method you could use to test out the return on investment for building a town center. First you'd probably want to use the scenario editor to start on a random map without any enemies, start gathering resources and building. Someway or another you'd want to keep track of the number of villagers and the amount of resources you have at each moment in the game, which you could feed into a chart. The first time you run the test, you see how long it takes to go from the beginning of Castle Age to Post-Imperial without building a second town center, and graph out the resources and villager count along the way as well. The second time you build a second town center, and then see how the villager and resource count differ from the first time around. This should give another perspective on just how a second town center would affect your growth and the final payoff time.
Hey, i guessed right! It's a relarively minor thing, but you didn't take into account that the new TC will generally be taking the place of one or more resource dropoff buildings. I think it would be fair to subtract the cost of say, a mill and a lumber camp.
Hey! Maybe make some video about ways to protect against raiding parties. And thank you for all the videos, I watch and reading watch them all:)
guessing correctly on Spirits tests gives a sense of pride and accomplishment
Got it right. Initally I thought it would be d or e but then I remembered I tend to guess these things too high in general and remembered that repaying the cost goes faster the more villagers you have.
It depends on what you assume for the VS(villager seconds) for different resources. I made this spreadsheet a while ago, assumed a flat 20 resources per second since villagers never gather wood at an actual 30 wood per minute due to the trees getting further and walking to the trees from the tc as well as other inefficiencies like having to build additional lumber camps. I have it around 8 minutes 45 seconds. These spreadsheets are also useful for things like figuring out when to go up as Chinese for a fast castle or as Malay. I've even used it to figure out when to go up on Turbo. People used VS a lot for AoE3 so I'm a little disappointed it's not used in AoE2.
I’d really like to see a vid where you go through all of the basic technologies and all of their uses and extra information that the game doesn’t provide. And then in another vid, the unique technologies
Great Video! Should you have included the cost of building additional houses?
awesome!
Just a remark, you have 200 stone at the beginning of the game, and I often see in pro or semi-pro games that they don't built anything that cost stone except a town center. Or if they do, they gather stone for this, knowing that the 200 stone base is for built two two-centers. So, I would said that the 200 stone cost should be deducted from the town-center price for the two first TCs ;)
@_DK_-
5 жыл бұрын
Krankar Volund Think of it as when you use the stone to build the TC, you're not using the stone for walls/towers/castles/trade etc. The cost represents how long it would take you to have the same amount of resources to spend again.
@krankarvolund7771
5 жыл бұрын
@@_DK_- Yeah, maybe. But as I say, in a lot of games I see, players don't build walls, towers, castles, etc.... ^^
@sauravtripathi4128
5 жыл бұрын
Usually, I use the 200 starting stone for 1 TC and Murder holes (unless I am playing as Teutons, in which case 100 stone is left over)
@GummieI
5 жыл бұрын
ehmm while towers and walls are rather rare, there is pretty much always a castle or 2 since it got some sweet upgrades at the very least in it
@krankarvolund7771
5 жыл бұрын
@@GummieI Well, in medium lenght games, castles are not really useful. In a more long-term game, yeah ^^
great topic. wanted to know that for a long time. small caveat: I dont think the 100 Stone should be added to the cost since in 90% of games in which new TCs are placed the stone comes from the starting stone so no villager time was spend there. therefore I think the payback in practical therms is a bit faster and the britons bonus is lager in comparison.
I guessed C. (7 minutes) I play saracens extensively and frequently go fast into second tc while being feudal rushed. I have become familiar with the 7 minute mark (~22-23 minutes into saracen fast castle) being when I can finally feel the effects of my greater economy and push back against archers, scouts, maa etc.
This video explains why after 5 minutes of creating two (almost simultaneously) TCs I felt I was really struggling to keep anything going.
Amazing learn
Great video! I would also add that a town center gives you 5 more population space (10 for the Chinese, I believe, and zero for the Huns) Not really a big factor, but I didn’t hear it mentioned here. The saved wood for a house makes a small difference.
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A. B. C. d. e. f. Why?
@krakenloco
5 жыл бұрын
Next letter is G, not Y
@guido_robledo
5 жыл бұрын
We can't understand superior minds
@satyakisil4289
5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting A. B. C. d. e. F.
@JRedAoE
5 жыл бұрын
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@rentabledwarf578
5 жыл бұрын
Gonna need a repost of the video in order to make that uniform.
Watching this video makes me feel so smart.
Can you do a video about how units are spawned from military buildings? I sometimes use stables or archery ranges as walls, but occasionally the units spawn out the wrong way and get stuck behind the wall! Thank you. Great videos.
Doing everything in seconds so we don't know if our chosen answer is right until the end of the video. Excellent.
@scottb9997
5 жыл бұрын
does it in seconds because seconds is the si unit
Damn, I got it right. Nice!
With a well placed TC, you save a mill, a lumber camp and often a miner camp. So you save 300 wood plus the wood from a house and the stone for a tower (kinda). You should redoo the graph with those savings in mind!
it would be nice to analyze how well does creating a new TC and sending the vills to a sole resource would fare in case of a great food surplus, like in how good is the resource conversion and how long does it take to gather a set milestone (like 200, 300, 500 of the other resource - gold is the one that comes to mind)
1:05: Spirit of the Law accidentally discovers labour theory of value.
I guess you know you're a true aoe fan when you read the title and say to yourself out loud "that's a good question" *sips coffee*
Finally got one right. Not surprised they pay off so quickly. I am definitely a fan of getting new TCs early.
I don't even play this game but I love this channel
I have wanted to know this since the first time I built my first extra tc's in William Wallace scenario 7.
My prediction was right. I'm so happy and I'm not sure why.
This dude must be a stats professor. Entertaining and interesting to watch. Dumb question but where do you go play to get all the extra civilizations beyond the original age of empires 2 expansion set? I'm still playing the conquerors on a 10 year old PC!!!!
Does Spirit of the law have a college degree? This gentleman is actually brilliant.
@KC-bg1th
5 жыл бұрын
He has a university degree in like 5 different subjects and is (or was) a tutor. It was in one of his old Q&A's. :~}
GJ. i would have trated all res as 1 collection rate average and then dive into different collection rates after. btw the graf of collection (not the cost grapf is something multiplied with (x^2+x)/2 - same formula oned when explaining why big forces beats smaller
You can actually build a TC in about 6:25 if you stop making new villagers after the ninth. This makes sense if you consider that each villager can be thought of as having a hysteresis of 140 seconds. Effectively each villager will need to work 140 seconds before it's paid for itself. So villagers made after a certain point will not have time to pay for themselves before enough work has been done for the TC to pays for itself. Not that I'm advocating only making 9 vils, just that you can actually make A TC pay for itself a little more quickly if that was your only goal. I'll also mention that Instead of using a table it's of course possible to create a generalized function. Villagers are produced 1 every 25 seconds. Each villager can be thought of as working forever there after. So the rate at which a TC produces labor is ∫(t/25)dt or t^2/50. With a hysteresis of 140 seconds and a 1083 initial cost we can expand our function to V = t^2/50 - 140/25 t - 1083. Practically speaking V = (0.02)t^2 - (5.9)t - 1083 is a better approximation to the step function at each 25s interval. (the area of a triangle is half a rectangle of the same height and width) Though it assumes still that villager production and labor is continuous. Which it obviously isn't, it's a step function. Still this allows for some interesting analysis, for example by making it periodic about 1083 we can plot how long it takes for a TC to pay for itself another time over by the zero crossings. So it takes a TC approx 423 seconds to pay for itself once over, but then at 85 seconds later it will have paid for itself again, then 68 seconds later it will have paid for itself a third time over. It's also possible use this approximation to get an exact match to the actual system as well. One definition of a heaviside step function is the derivative of a ramp function. The remainder of division, or modulus, operator is a ramp function. Which means we can use it pretty easily to correct our continuous function into the discrete solution. This is a pretty tried and true method of correcting this kind of error when simulating discrete time systems. The function with this correction is (0.02)*t^2 - (5.9)*t-1083 - (0.02)*(t%25)^2 + (5.9)*(t%25). Which looks complex but really it's exactly what we had before, with all the time dependent terms repeated again using modulus as a ramp function to remove the differences between the continuous and discontinuous system. If you're using excel then =(0.02)*B1^2-(5.9)*B1-1083-(0.02)*MOD(B1;25)^2+(5.9)*MOD(B1;25) would be the function you could drop in. I hope I'm not over complicating things here, I think if you have taken any amount of Calc though this should all make some amount of sense. It's a bit of work but it allows you to just plug in any time in seconds and see what the villager seconds of profit is. So if the game goes on for 15 minutes after building a TC for example, you gain exactly 9807 seconds of villager labor, which based on your ratios would be 5117 wood. I don't think this kind of accuracy is necessary, and it makes the function discontinuous, but that's how you'd go about it if you wanted it. I'm always fond of this kind of numbers based analysis of game mechanics. Thanks for the video and I'd love to see more like it.
Nice math, but as most others pointed out, you're getting a universal dropoff point, a 'free' house and in the end you are going to cap your villager production in game pretty much at the same count no matter if you build them from one center or multiple centers. So the costs for a villager you calculate into the costs for the tc would have been spent with or without the tc, just later in the game.
Would love to see you make a math video about wonder race , god it would be the most op strat once you brings the math
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I never build more than 2 of the tower center this gonna be interesting
Hmmm. Probably gonna need to update this for the Cumans feudal tc 🤔
Congratulations on being a better math teacher then the one I had in 11th grade
But you didn't cover what would happen if we take into account that you might build another TC to get wheelbarrow/handcart. I think that would give an edge to the Vikings
Hey, Spirit Of The Law, can you make a video dedicated to begin a civilization in the best way?
You have to pay immediately!
Just a quick idea for a future video; albeit a lengthy and intensive one. Civilization Randomizer: is it a true random or biased? It seems like almost everytime i've played, the AI seems to always bias the huns more often than any other civ. Anyway, keep up the good work!
You can also look at it from another perspective - if you plan to start your attack within 7 minutes after reaching castle age, staying on lower amount of TCs will improve its effectiveness. General idea is obvious but now we have numbers.
Town Center provides 10 housing space, which is equal to building 2 house simultaneously. 2 house consume 60 wood, when we take that into an account, then Town center repay it in 4-6 minutes normally.
Huh... I guessed C. Seemed reasonable time giving the length of games and the general pace of the game. I guess I was right. ^_^
No intro? :( Otherwise, great video as always!
Also worth considering is that buildign a tc with only 10 workers has a far greater negative impact on your economy than building one when having like 100 workers. Because the percentage of your resources needed for the tc is smaller therefore the more workers/resources you have the more sense it makes to build one as you still ahve enouth resources for other stuff like tech, army or buildings (as long as you still have a way to go to your targeted villager pop)
Another great video SotL. My small question regarding to this is that wouldn't the breakeven cost from building a new town center actually decrease over the course of the game the more TCs you have up and running at the same time that are also producing more villagers to gather resources faster? It would be fine if you can answer it through the comments :D
hay Mr law, can you do some vids on garrisoning effectiveness for castles and towers, which civs have the best bonuses for it, which are the best units to garrison for better damage output. thanks
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I think a fair amount of that topic is covered in the Teutons civ review (Double cannon bombard towers) The short answer: Higher cost units are better.