Trio of villains with abandonment issues -spinel -scarlamange -catra

@aniya4953

4 жыл бұрын

I mean they're pretty much everywhere 😂😂

@Yurei22

4 жыл бұрын

@@aniya4953 u catra?

@Sanches7557

3 жыл бұрын

Ice King is feeling abandoned even in “abandonment issue” category XD

@karimahsan341

3 жыл бұрын

U mean Hugo?

@lougonza1715

3 жыл бұрын

Now you can add in Simon from infinity train!

"It is not a sin to fight for the right cause, there are those who words alone will not reach." - Android 16

@user-mh9dx7nz2r

4 жыл бұрын

*are

@dn9549

4 жыл бұрын

16: 🤯 cell:haha gohan:😢😡😡😡

@tastedivinefury2198

4 жыл бұрын

Delan Filton the Monado yakuza lmaooo

@couragew6260

4 жыл бұрын

That can be both a good and bad phrase depending on perspective and context.

@jaxongedden7174

4 жыл бұрын

@@couragew6260 Completely. You first have to be secure in your mentality and be willing to question your own motives. Even then it can be dangerously convoluted.

Kipo had an amazing theme of ‘How far do humans take their superiority?’ with the scientists wanting to turn the animals back, but now a lot of animals are now intelligent beings as well, so to what point are animals animals and humans humans? Absolutely brilliant.

@Maieveryday2

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr when everyone is intelligent no one is animal so where is the line? Short answer, there isn't one.

@andmos1001

3 жыл бұрын

Arthur “I think, therefore I am” will be the main plot line I believe. Because even if one have difficulty understanding each other, one can communicate.

@OReily08080

3 жыл бұрын

Arthur right, I was thinking this when Lío said Scarlamange was a person, and Dr. Emilia was like he’s still an animal, and I was like humans are pretty much animals too

@seanfrancis4233

3 жыл бұрын

And it was present from episode 1, even Wolf told Mondu that if he could speak, even one word, she wouldn't eat him.

@babycakelings

3 жыл бұрын

@@seanfrancis4233 yeah, then theres the problem that through the show mondu was clearly very smart, just still looked animal. So if an animal that can’t talk is as smart as a human that can, is it really an animal?

I absolutely love Hugo/Scarlemagne. His backstory and Wolf's backstory absolutely broke my heart. Edit: THE END OF SEASON THREE THOUGH

@katarinacarrico7887

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking of Wolf, is she wearing her best friend/brother's skin?

@rosykindbunny1313

4 жыл бұрын

@@katarinacarrico7887 It was confirmed that it was the mom. But originally I thought it was her brother.

@katarinacarrico7887

4 жыл бұрын

@@rosykindbunny1313 Wow! I don't know if that's any better or worse! thank you for clearing that up for me!

@comicslanding9611

4 жыл бұрын

Heartbreak and Love are more connected than people think

@thetalkativefos716

4 жыл бұрын

@@katarinacarrico7887 I thought that was a female I mean she sounded feminine and was wearing a skirt. Wait it was a girl. (Here "best friend" is who I am talking about)

"Nobody ever chooses me - unless I make them."

@SugarSkullNightmare

4 жыл бұрын

I would choose Hugo/Scarlemage

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

only a monster would think that!

@dyegsitsw954

4 жыл бұрын

How sad.

@Wolfpelt24

3 жыл бұрын

I don't understand his obsession with being chosen OVER someone else.

@Jordan-xg4pn

3 жыл бұрын

Me during P.E classes

All Hugo wanted was a hug and his stupid star blanket. 😞

@katarinacarrico7887

4 жыл бұрын

Kipo gave him that, but he needs more. He needs months- maybe years- of self-reflection and acceptance before he can work to change himself.

@evdawg9258

4 жыл бұрын

Thx so much for 207 likes

@slevinchannel7589

3 жыл бұрын

Fact is, it was good but improve-worthy. The Plot Holes, were annoying. And the music's quality varies way too much. Especially the Hip Hop Music was really multiple levels below the other song's quality. I do not know if that's a problem with Hip Hop overall or just the songs selected or something, but still. I cannot call it a Masterpice with so much varying Quality in all fields and such simple Plot Structure. I do hope for a Season 3 - but one that is better than Season 2. Cause it needs to be. Kipo is the 'kind' of thing we need, but not exactly the quality we need.

@xtracracked5474

3 жыл бұрын

he wanted revenge on kipos dad for leaving him by himself in the surface world

@OReily08080

3 жыл бұрын

pug_master 1234 my guy still needs some time

I feel like Avatar the last airbender is an example that isn't so obvious, but aangs arc was trying to figure out how to defeat ozai without killing him. Aang was a monk and airbender, they're pacifists and they mostly evade. His solution was defeating ozai without killing him, but didn't exactly get him to realize he was wrong

@lilymurphy1001

3 жыл бұрын

Removing someone’s bending is still a brutal punishment

@helenagrunstein5265

3 жыл бұрын

Also, there was Roku's backstory who tried to reason and be diplomatic towards Sozin. In the end not taking action against Sozin caused the 100 year war.

@aliceeverheart9237

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I mean Ozai showed absolutely no remorse

@booketoiles1600

3 жыл бұрын

meh, as much as I love that they made Aang stick to his principles against everyone else telling him not to, saying that "the solution is mysticism and deux ex machina" really ruined it. He got away without making compromises, whereas something like emprisonning Ozai with bending would have been an actual compromise. (stick to his principles but creates the risk of Osai escaping).

@slevinchannel7589

3 жыл бұрын

Fact is, it was good but improve-worthy. The Plot Holes, were annoying. And the music's quality varies way too much. Especially the Hip Hop Music was really multiple levels below the other song's quality. I do not know if that's a problem with Hip Hop overall or just the songs selected or something, but still. I cannot call it a Masterpice with so much varying Quality in all fields and such simple Plot Structure. I do hope for a Season 3 - but one that is better than Season 2. Cause it needs to be. Kipo is the 'kind' of thing we need, but not exactly the quality we need.

In Avatar: The Last Airbender, Firelord Ozai was not redeemed, but instead had his bending taken away and was imprisoned for what is to be assumed the rest of his life. Initially, Aang thought he could reason with him, then was nearly convinced the only way to stop him was to take his life. Aang couldn't accept this, and ended up discovering a way to take someone's bending away permanently.

@claytongriffith8323

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but his solution was just given to him. If based solely off his actions and efforts without the Deus Ex Machina of the lion turtle coming out of nowhere with a type of bending not even hinted at and the fact that a random rock pushed Aang into the avatar state he wouldn't have stopped the fire lord and his stubbornness to hold on to desire not to kill would have lead to much more suffering and destruction.

@stevenhiggins3055

4 жыл бұрын

@@claytongriffith8323 Energy Bending was not a Deus Ex Machina. There where actually several points that foreshadowed it. First, the swamp episode where Aang traces Appa's energy through the tree to find him. Second, Guru Patik helping him clear his chakras. In doing so he was controlling the energy flow through his body. Both of these were lessons in Energy Bending, though we didn't know that at the time. Nor was the rock sending him into the Avatar State as nonsensical as it seems. It was akin to acupressure, which is very much in line worh the show's eastern influence. By pushing hard enough in just the right spot, it released all the knotted up energy, allowing it to flow freely.

@claytongriffith8323

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenhiggins3055 Although I don't agree that chakra is the same as energy bending that doesn't change the fact that Aang didn't make those connections or actively go seek out how to energy bend; he woke up on a Lion Turtle that gave him the answer. And acupuncture is very precise and purposeful what are the odds that specific structures had a part pointing out with the right size and shape and hit in the exact right position to activate the avatar state right when it was apparent Aang's avoidance wasn't effective and he needed something that would force him to change.

@stevenhiggins3055

4 жыл бұрын

@@claytongriffith8323 The way the chakras were explained were as "pools of energy in the body" By learning what blocks the chakras, and how to unblock his them Anng was learnt how to adjust the flow of energy through his body. And as the Lionturtle said, before the four nations, people bent the energy within themselves. Also, I said acupressure, not acupuncture. It's a different practice.

@claytongriffith8323

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenhiggins3055 I thought freeing these chakras were about taking control of the avatar state and finding internal balance yes they are energy but where was the concept of using rays of light to what block the energy flow to prevent bending in another person? And you're right you didn't say acupuncture but the point still stands "what are the odds"

SCARLEMANGE IS SO SIMILAR TO MOJO JOJO! raised by the protagonist’s father who used him as an experiment trying to get him to gain intelligence, which gave the father gateway to create a daughter(s) with superpowers. Then when abandoned because of the father valued his daughter’s life more, he leaves and tries to conquer the world. I’m fairly certain he also had an episode or a movie in which he mind controlled fellow apes and monkeys to do his bidding. They are like the same character change my mind.

@me30000

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean mojo jojo

@meekomar5312

4 жыл бұрын

...You're right, he's Mojo Jojo, but deeper

@marygraceoyangorin8918

4 жыл бұрын

And they are both monkeys

@williamstark9568

4 жыл бұрын

@@marygraceoyangorin8918 actually I think Mojo Jojo was an ape and Scarlemagne looks like a babboon, which I am pretty sure is a monkey... But that's just splitting hairs. The big difference is just that apes don't have tails. Otherwise they are pretty similar.

@lanidoodle6830

4 жыл бұрын

Guydudeface Guydudeface yes I did mean that whoops 😂

The way you said that the message of not everyone could be redeemed really got me thinking on other shows that have done something like that. It might be weird but this reminded me of a speech in Samurai Jack season 5. Jack is remembering a moment of his past when he saw his father kill some assassins. His father then sits him down and tells him: "The decisions you make and the actions that follow are a reflection of who you are." This small sentence means a lot even when it's too short. It emphasizes on free will and the consequences that come from making choices with that free will. He doesn't sugarcoat it or make it sound like killing is bad. He tells his son how it is. He had a choice, fight to protect his wife and son or not. He gave the assassins a choice, to leave or to fight. Trying to see the good in others is a good thing and try to redeem them, but when they choose to hurt others you have to stop them.

@Sylocat

4 жыл бұрын

Literally every single show other than Steven Universe does something like that. I don't get why "Some people are just Bad People and need to be beaten into obedience" is supposed to be such a revolutionary message that no work of fiction has ever preached before.

@UmTois

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sylocat I know right? People get surprised by things they swear are not "cliche" despite the fact they are as common ground and not that new anymore. It's like people thinking dark animes are revolutionary to this day, using nonsense terms like "psychological seinen", when in reality it doesn't automaticaly means it's good.

Who Else think scarlamagne deserve to be in a top 10 best cartoon villains list

@supergeek9509

4 жыл бұрын

But he's not really a villain, he's just misunderstood. Dr. Emilia is the true villain of the show.

@emmass1652

4 жыл бұрын

I do

@ell8984

4 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who read scarlamange as scar-lasagna .lol😂

@jacksonmilesdavis3298

4 жыл бұрын

@@ell8984 I didnt

@ell8984

4 жыл бұрын

@@jacksonmilesdavis3298 oki

Static Shock never did the 'try to win over the bad guys with love' (partly because 'winning with love' was never a point of a show about a teen with electricity powers) but it did hit on a lot of very hard topics in a way that was for kids but not talking down to kids. 10/10 always recommend if you haven't seen it yet.

@supergeek9509

4 жыл бұрын

@Rodrick Young yeah, it's really underrated and talks about really issues

@williamstark9568

4 жыл бұрын

There was ONE episode that talked down to kids and it was my least favorite episode. It was the episode about "guns are bad" I FELT condescended to and all I could do the WHOLE episode was roll my eyes. "I KNOW GUNS ARE BAD! Get to zapping people, show!" But I liked the rest for the most part.

@supergeek9509

4 жыл бұрын

@@williamstark9568 yeah, another one of my favorite shows Ok. K.O did that as well. Why would you have a "guns is bad" episode when the show is about fighting? But, I did enjoy the rest of the episode.

@theguywithsomething8634

4 жыл бұрын

Also one of the few cartoons with a black main protagonist, AND is part of the DCAU. Both of these got me interested in watching it in the first place.

@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764

4 жыл бұрын

@Rodrick Young Dude, literally everything is propaganda and has an agenda. What varies is how far you have to read into it to find it.

Ngl the scene where Scarlamagne asks if he can hold Kipo really disturbs me and even Scarlamagne in general creeps me out more than any other villain imo

@princesstt9778

4 жыл бұрын

What was he gonna do to her?! Kill her?! Kidnap her?! Maybe, it's best that we don't find out.

@GamerSlyRatchet1

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly thought he didn’t have any intention of harming Kipo and was trying to keep himself from breaking down. It was Lio shoving him that officially started his psychotic break.

@princesstt9778

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 That insane laughter tho. Yikes...

@loveablesimp

4 жыл бұрын

I got Happy Sugar Life vibes lel

@chaosdirge4906

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 And true to life that's pretty much how things like that happen, the general distrust and pushing away is what causes the snap. I don't think he was going to do anything, but he saw the blanket, he saw her in it, he saw his blanket and he was struggling with certain emotions and trying to come to terms with a lot of different feelings. I really liked this scene in Kipo. It was actually much more mature than other cartoons tend to put it in frame for. And a lot of adults tend to also not know how to handle those kinds of situations. But I think that the show highlights something that this video doesn't express right... Kipo wasn't wrong entirely, there was a way to bring him back, and had she met him earlier she might have succeeded. She was just too late. And that's different from being just plain wrong. However it is going to gradually progress into fighting an unavoidable fight, since there is probably no reasoning with the series next villain at all.

WANDER OVER YONDER. Why does nobody remember Wander over yonder :( Sure dominator is saved and she backs down but only because she is outnumbered and she never has a true change of heart, never apologises she just understands she can't fight anymore and goes away, and Wander understands she will never be his friend no matter how much he tries

@midnightartist43

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yea! I Didn’t even think about that

@mysteryxio9957

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but wander still offers her the chance at redemption where as kipo sorta looks at scarlemenge as a lost cause now

@cloudinthehead8054

4 жыл бұрын

@@mysteryxio9957 yeah I mean it's on different levels but the concept is still the same, they both believe the enemy can become a better person, but both accept that that can't happen when proven wrong. Kipo might have done it differently but it's not the first cartoon to do it.

@cryptopsyrin4425

4 жыл бұрын

Fr, Wander Over Yonder is so slept on

@ex-bahamutgamer8381

4 жыл бұрын

I do admit this each children cartoon shows repeat, they just some main characters you never change they way. Longest and maybe the oldest one is The Joker and The batman. How Batman wants to change joker into Reformed better person than clown prince of Gotham yet The killer joke told back story and the effects of his experience drove him to be joker. Now we got Batman who laughs character is more deadly than The joker but I digress. You can never change someone only them can change they self. That how Steven Universe drop the ball on. Good show but I prefer Adventure time and Regular Show because heavy hit in about people cannot change who they are. G1 transformers and cgi beast wars did touch on it as well. So there are really lot of shows made episodes like The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air with will father just being a deadbeat. I don't think kipo was the first nor it going to be the last to touch about changing people subject especially part of you never going to change someone and what they have become.

Azula. Azula was an enemy throughout her entire time in the show. And NEVER got redemption. She got PITY. And when we turned into edgy emo's lust but that was before she broke in the finale

@sydneej7766

4 жыл бұрын

I really wish she got a redemption but I feel like it would’ve taken forever because of all the stuff put in her head as a kid

@wildfirefox1

4 жыл бұрын

I think that was the point. Azula was cruel as a child, and she learned that cruelty was permitted as long as you hold the power. When she started losing power, she lost everything. Her character was designed to be slightly two dimensional because that's all she was. An empty replication of her father.

@amochikaay

3 жыл бұрын

READ THE COMICS PEOPLE! Although it’s not exactly “Redemption” Things are tidied up, and they’re totally worth reading

@guywhochangeshisprofilealo7163

3 жыл бұрын

@@sydneej7766 yeah but they already had Zuko redeemed so Azula being redeemed would be repetitive

A lot of cartoons in the 80s were "Hero good, Bad Guy evil kill bad guy, win. A lot of Anime and modern cartoons have pushed the "Heart and forgiveness, love and friendship redemption" thing I don't know if they count but a few shows where it wasn't always black and white would include Avatar The Last Airbender and Adventure Time. I also enjoyed Rurouni Kenshin, Tenchi Muyo, R.O.D Read or Die, Aladdin the series and Disney's Gargoyles buT I feel like most shows fall in to one of two ends of the extreme either "Kill all bad guys" or "Redeem all bad guys" I feel like in modern times we some times don't follow that lesson. You can't redeem every one. Some people are dangerous and need to be taken down.

@eduardoho5637

4 жыл бұрын

sasamichan The best shows stand out by compromising both extremes, a la MLP: FiM.

@Smashking91

4 жыл бұрын

That's the problem I have with Naruto. He just speaks to the villain and they just magically change their ways. Such lazy writing. Well that and half of it is filler garbage lol

@Bezaliel13

4 жыл бұрын

"You can't redeem every one. Some people are dangerous and need to be taken down." When? I doubt it is very often.

@Bezaliel13

4 жыл бұрын

@@Smashking91 He didn't against Hidan, which is why nobody cared about that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mXxntcpsmLW8XcY.html Wait, wouldn't him just killing them be "lazy writing?"

@sasamichan

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bezaliel13 bank robbers, school shooters, terrorists, Nazis , rapists', people who own nukes, people who own tanks, people who are currently holding weapons, bombers, mad men, thugs, gangers, gang bangers, people with knives, swordsmen, arsonists, cult leaders extremists, cannibals', tyrants, History is full of people too dangerous to just forgive them and ask them to be nice and get along. Real life doesn't work that way. I wish it did.

In My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic pretty much everybody gets redeemed, but not the last 3 villains. They get transformed into stone. Including an evil kid. o.o To be fair, they Mane 6 didn't exactly try to redeem them first, but the villains themselves had a moment of doubt and possible turn to redemption, but chose the other way

@zeehighness9310

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Andy!!!

@dreamshade8123

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the dazzlings they were defeated sure but they are still bitter towards Twilight and the others in that final MLP EG special movie

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

That’s the problem with shows today, they downright refuse to kill the villains that clearly will not change

@kawaiiqueee3489

4 жыл бұрын

Cozy Glow was a sociopath who'd gladly do everything again, whereas the reformed villains shown remorse and actually had a decent motive

@garmadonthesensei59

4 жыл бұрын

Dude I was so shocked when they didn’t reform Crystalist!

If you think about it, Steven Universe really shows the mental tole that it can take if one is not reasonably kind and how important to consider oneself as well. However I definitely agree that KIPO does the best job of showing kids the balance between being kind and being real. Love love LOVE this show ❤️

@UmTois

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, nobody talks about this message in Steven Universe future that I truly think it was well made. Instead they are all on this redditesk-hate-bandwagon just because CN hiatus basically ruined their zeitgeist, so some flaws take down everything the show did right somehow. It's like if the Lion turtle thing not being that much foreshadowed makes Avatar TLAB bad, which is bullshit. Hell, not even Avatar Legend of Korra for all its writing and worldbuilding mistakes was this bashed as Steven Universe is, the hypocrisy is real.

@cyborgcuttlefish6326

3 жыл бұрын

@@UmTois It's simply because Steven Universe has many examples of not properly developing themes or character arcs. I like the show but I'm not going to lie and say it's perfect. Steven Universe Future ends with Steven facing 0 consequences for his actions, which obviously bothered a lot of people. The ending was rushed but that's partly due to Cartoon Network so I think they deserve some sort of pass

@echomikoart

2 жыл бұрын

I call bullshit. The message of STF is good at its core, however the execution was poor, the timing was rushed, they pulled stuff from out of their asses and it was generally very unsatisfying to watch. The struggle of declining mental health is a very sensitive topic, and everything was forced and rushed to the barebones. I know what it feels like to slowly go insane and having a huge mental breakdown, and that just didn't fit it. Of course everyone's experience is different, however they handled it horribly. A good message doesn't necessarily make a show good.

Aang in last airbender realized that zuko was not a friend, but when zuko rescues him as the blue spirit and then Aang rescues him, he thinks they could have been in another timeline. Then zuko goes through a lot of changes and further betrayal by the fire kingdom, seemingly abandoning it. But hes still lost and angry, and when he has the opportunity to protect and help Aang at the end of season 2, he chooses Azula and what he believes is his honor instead. This comes just after a moment where he talked with katara, and it seemed his redemption was at hand. After choosing the fire nation and what he believed was honor, he went through realization as well. Zuko found he wasn't happy there, angrier and more confused than ever, finally and truly turning his back on his father and sister to try to do what was right. But he still had to earn and prove his redemption to the team. He didnt just get accepted open arms, having to pay time and time again over the course of the show for his own wrongdoings. Zuko's redemption arcs is one of the best in existence because he messes up. He chooses wrong. He suffers and learns and discovers new things about himself as he searches for the truth. When he finally finds it, it isnt just handed to him. It shows all the pain and work he's gone through. Ozai gets no such chance. He is beyond redemption, but what's more, he shows no desire to change. He is fully convinced of his righteousness, just as the doctor is in Kipo. I love steven universe, and I love that every single gem and person is given a chance for redemption. For many it happens quickly, but all of them still go through similar processes of messing up, learning, and redeeming themselves, even if we dont always see it. It's a bit more simplified in some ways, but it still shows the characters trying to learn and be better. Except for Kevin. Because Kevin gets a chance to be redeemed, and he stays the same pompous loser despite multiple chances to learn. He, like Ozai and the doctor, is unwilling to change or learn. Even steven cant help everyone.

@vovabars1234

4 жыл бұрын

lmao of course you can redeem space genocidal maniacs in a span of seconds, but redeeming a dude that acted like a prick at worst is a big no no SU's only well-written redemption arc was Peridot,others were sloppy and rushed

@ItzJamm_

4 жыл бұрын

Вова Барс I wouldn’t say rushed but some were sloppier Than most

@oi_bruv

3 жыл бұрын

Steven: White diamond: ... Pink Steven: White diamond: can I join your side?

@PancakemonsterFO4

2 жыл бұрын

Blue Spirit was Zukos selfish persona that wanted to capture the Avatar themselves, if Aang got arrested then Zukos chance of returning to the fire lord was lost. This is why his Uncle tries to talk him out of it till he abandons the mask complelely

@PancakemonsterFO4

2 жыл бұрын

Kevin is a deeply traumatized individual that went mad when he realized that even his parent figure abandoned him. He was only willing to accept that taking things by force was bad when Kipo could prove that she is just like him, and his demand to Kipo to kill her father was proof that after all this time he was still filled with spite after his abandonment, the spite that turned him into Charlemagne (in combination with the survival or the fittest bully mindset of the monkeys that he met)

avatar the last airbender. Azula. Her and zukos dad.

@juno8731

4 жыл бұрын

O YOUR RIGHT! WHEN AZULA WENT INSANE IN THE END!!!!

@claylilac3023

4 жыл бұрын

"I know what your gonna say, she's my sister and I should be trying to get along with her." "No, she's crazy and she needs to go down!"

@Bluu_kat

4 жыл бұрын

@@claylilac3023 LOL

@littleprincess4615

4 жыл бұрын

I especially adore Avatar’s decision with fire lord Ozai because even though he was still brought to justice, they didn’t kill him which is really neat, especially because even though violence was required to take him down it showed that you don’t need to go and kill people, especially when you can just subdue them. It was a nice in-between of ‘violence is never the answer’ and ‘fight the bad guy to save everyone’

@maggiefelisberto5281

4 жыл бұрын

The lack of acknowledgement for ATLA in this analysis really bugged me. Aang had extreme nightmares about not wanting to kill the Fire Lord, and every one of his predecessors told him that it was necessary to remove him from power by any means necessary. He found a way to get around actually killing him, but he did not win him over with kindness

Hugo/Scarlemane is such a masterpiece of character writing.

Honestly Kipo is the best animated show to come out since Avatar the last airbender. I can’t wait for season 3!!

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

Me too! And i want a season 4 and 5 too!

@napsterking

4 жыл бұрын

Havent watched Kipo, but The Dragon Prince is up there with Avatar, and in my opinion is a little higher than Avatar. S3 final fight had me in awe for what is considered a kids cartoon

@noobmasterruben5167

4 жыл бұрын

No imo Kipo is the best show after Avatar and Gravity Falls

@e.t.566

4 жыл бұрын

imo kipo isn’t comparable to avatar, neither is dragon prince, but dragon prince comes closer to it than kipo does

@sarahhenry3607

4 жыл бұрын

@@napsterking I mean it helps that the writers of ATLA worked on The Dragon Prince.

There is also another thing Kipo did that SU kinda failed at. Connecting a somewhat politically charged plotline with a interpersonal family conflict. We get to know Scarelamane as this tyrannical maniac who is building a army in season 1. Kipo showed us all of his disspicable actions upfront and then put in things that humanized him. Giving us context to his actions and how they directly are linked to the family dynamic he shared with Kipo without said even knowing. What they *didn't* do is spent *5* seasons establishing him as a genocidal dictator who were part of a intricate political conflict between the ruling class and a civil rights movement only to suddenly shift that dynamic into a interpersonal family conflict where the villains are forgiven for their disspicable actions, which were never given a motive other then 'they were made to behave that way', because 'They aren't so bad. See? They are sad about their dead sister. Humanizing them is all we have to do to justify a redemption.' (Yes I am still bitter) Kipo didn't waste it's viewers time by needlessly drawing the plot out or suddenly drastically shifting the focus of the conflict at hand. Instead the vowed another layer into the conflict, making Hugo more compelling character then the Diamonds could have ever been.

@Julayla

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's a good point there

@ShinobiPXO

4 жыл бұрын

You know that never really establish the Diamonds as "genocidal" dictators either. We never actually see any aliens in the show beyond the Gems and Gems dont even know what grass is, so who knows they killed? Also, the 'they were made to behave that way' motivation works fine since it's very much consistent to what we saw with other Gems like Pearl and Peridot. They don't change their behavior because Gems literally have never heard of 'change' before. I don't see why the Diamonds would be exempt from this rule Also, they were never actually forgiven for their actions. The Crystal Gems clearly don't really want them around and we saw Steven contemplate killing White Diamond in one episode. They just settle with the Diamonds not causing trouble. Also, the fact that Scarlamnage is still saved by Lio does imply he will be given redemption next season

@kylepope7850

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShinobiPXO The show made it quite clear through multiple characters on multiple occasions that the Diamonds were genocidal. In "It Could have been Great" Peridot lays out the plan of colonization for earth. Garnet states outright that all of earth's indigenous life would have been destroyed. In "Jungle Moon" we see Yellow Diamond order her forces to destroy the organic life on the Jungle Moon planet. The Diamonds released the shattering robonoids beneath Homeworld to hunt down and exterminate the Off Colors. We see Blue Diamond chastise Pink for her lame excuses as to why she couldn't complete her colony. Pink complained that there were too many organics and human cities were too hard to dismantle. Considering that this was around 3,000 BCE Pink's excuses were lame indeed. Yellow Diamond sends Peridot to earth to check on the Cluster. The Cluster is a mass grave/geoweapon built and deployed with the expressed purpose of destroying the earth and every living thing on it. Yellow Diamond explicitly tells Peridot that she wants earth to die and that she will take immense pleasure in erasing earth from their star maps. Blue Diamond told us that the corrupting attack was intended to obliterate every gem on the surface of the planet. Homeworld maintains as part of its inventory injectors containing poison capable of killing all organic life on a planet. If these behaviors don't constitute genocide I'd really like to know what behaviors do.

@xxxhero7275

4 жыл бұрын

ShinobiPXO Steven calles them dictators and they destroy planets for a living for their own comfort some life on the planets may have been intelectual like humans and since gens sent to earth weren’t faxed by technology on the human side this pretty much confirms that along the lines they destroyed a intelectual planet.

@ShinobiPXO

4 жыл бұрын

@@kylepope7850 When was that made clear? Genocide is when you kill a large group of people. Destroying animals or an environment is not technically the same. And like I said, we've never seen 'intelligent' aliens in the show, so do you know they killed any? In Jungle Moon we only see a planet filled with alien animals, which the Diamonds chose not to kill. Also, Jasper does not know the difference between people and grass, so what "organics" do you think they killed? You have noticed that Gems are stupid right? They don't what names are and they don't know what a 'My Dad' is. They don't even know plants from people, since Peridot thought corn could talk. If they saw a forest of trees, they likely would call that a city. Sorry, but it's seem clear they don't really know much about organics full stop We Yellow wants the Earth gone for closure and again, she doesn't even know that organics are still living on it because she that stupid. Also, war =/= genocide, so don;t play that card

Tfw when Kipo does this theme better than fricking Star Wars

@martynap2930

4 жыл бұрын

Kipo is a better show overall than the new Star Wars.

@thescauldron8436

4 жыл бұрын

@@martynap2930 ohh definitely no question there

@HeilRay

4 жыл бұрын

Disney Star Wars anyway for sure.

@Sylocat

4 жыл бұрын

@@martynap2930 Kipo is a better show than *any* Star Wars.

@LadyAhro

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair the only really good Star Wars show is the Clone Wars, and its not much to compare these two show types considering that the direction is so different and they literally had to slide neatly into the space right before the third film.

*[I mean, she's a pink hybrid that can fix everything through friendship, and sometimes turn into a giant monster puma... She's basically Steven 2.0]*

@lisasemarron5413

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@albedo7231

4 жыл бұрын

She’s steven but less annoying and more likeable

@dreamshade8123

4 жыл бұрын

At least she isn’t a giant 8 foot tall magical woman who uses the power of gayness to destroy her enemies

@xxxhero7275

4 жыл бұрын

Dreamshade was that she es shade?....

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

Peridot except she learned that there are some out there who will not change and you must fight or kill. Steven didn’t ever give up even though Garnet told him in Season 2!

steven universe: lets forgive literal space Hitler because she is quirky...

@lunarexplosion4948

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why Kipo is a better show imo. Both touch on forgiving bad people but Kipo actually takes a second to acknowledge that not everyone deserves it / wants it. Steven Universe forgave everyone but Pink (who is arguably the least evil)

@MrBlazeAc

3 жыл бұрын

@@lunarexplosion4948 indeed, SU was way too soft, teach the kids/teens of a world that doesnt exist, tyrants in real life are incarcerated or even executed, whats this show teahcing? that hitler deserved to be forgiven?

@lunarexplosion4948

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBlazeAc exactly!! it’s very important to teach kids about forgiveness and understanding but it is NOT okay to tell them that everyone has a reason why they’re bad and it’s their job to figure it out and fix or save them. Steven Universe was my favorite show for a while but season 5 and 6 ruined that.

@MrBlazeAc

3 жыл бұрын

@@lunarexplosion4948 indeed, in the real life sometime encarceratin/killing someone that has done attrocious things (the diamonds) is something thats necesary to exist, not everything is rainbows and unicors, far from that, im glad SU tried to teach kids kindness and such, but they took that concept to discovery kids levels of naivety

@lunarexplosion4948

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBlazeAc another great point!! i hated how the mindset was very similar to a toddler where they see the good in others / can’t comprehend that some people are evil for fun. i really felt cheated and empty by the ending for that very reason

My thoughts are exactly! The show acknowledged that some feelings and emotions can remain implanted in your head and it’s hard to not be rid of them. It’s only human to not change yourself so quickly. Certain feelings and emotions linger, like past trauma, or happy memories

The How To Train Your Dragon series has dealt with the topic several times in its films and shows.

@jj_luminous6111

4 жыл бұрын

Primarily Drago was the main example I think. He was the cause of Stoik's death, all because Hiccup kept trying to reason with him despite several warnings not to.

@mckenzie.latham91

4 жыл бұрын

@@jj_luminous6111 To be honest though it felt like something Hiccup had to try, but as soon as he meets Drago he realizes Drago is only interested in using the dragons to control people.

@poodlesnoodles9697

3 жыл бұрын

@@jj_luminous6111 this post is about the series, not the movie

@poodlesnoodles9697

3 жыл бұрын

*comment, movies

@171QA

3 жыл бұрын

@@poodlesnoodles9697 I also mentioned the tv series on CN and Netflix.

Gargoyles, where Demona is one of the lead villains and also Goliath’s former mate. He tried to reach out to her even after hearing about the schemes she’s done since he was stuck in stone. He ultimately failed, and after Demona crosses a line by killing and maiming humans, he gives up trying to reach out to her.

@kriegermaria9923

4 жыл бұрын

than angela their daughter does in the end but demona dies saving her

@GamerSlyRatchet1

4 жыл бұрын

@@kriegermaria9923 I don't recall that. Was that from Goliath Chronicles?

@kriegermaria9923

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 ahh dont know what ep anymore just watch demonas death but i mean the german dub it difference from the eng one a bit dialog like

@kriegermaria9923

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 demona cared for angela that she even went against goliaths clone thailog was his name

@kriegermaria9923

4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 thailog later reddems fallen for a egyptian human woman in the comics

I love how they handled Scarlemagne and him not getting a redemption. Yes, what happened to him was wrong. Lio is most definitely at fault, I’m not saying he isn’t. However, everything that happened from then on were the actions of Scarlemagne and Scarlemagne alone. HE was the tyrant. HE was the murderer. HE pushed Kipo into what he thought was a vat of gold. HE wanted HER to push their father into the gold. At the end of the day, he wasn’t redeemed BECAUSE of those actions. But, I think there’s a small chance he might help or in season three. After all, I’ve never seen him smile the way he smiles at Kipo. She just has a way with changing even the worst people. *cough* Jamack *cough*

So I was binging this with my little sister, and Scarlemane's backstory made her cry. What is genius about the antagonist in this season is that you know maybe there is little hope left for Hugo, but at the same time you can't help but to feel bad for him. There are human qualities to him, his feelings of abandonment and resentment broke him, and his only purpose was just to be a test subject. Even if this is the beginning of a redemption arc, I truly love how they didn't try to make him turn good immediately, and made him do something terrible without reversing his development. This is why he really is a compelling antagonist. Whether he gets redeemed or not, the show managed to make a great villain without butchering the stakes unlike Steven Universe.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

Lilo Pugs of course a backstory is no excuse for actions that cross lines, no matter how tragic they are

@lilopugs7593

4 жыл бұрын

@@prowolf633 yes- but even though Hugo is sympathetic, he is never portrayed to be in the right for his terrible actions.

@mckenzie.latham91

4 жыл бұрын

He’s not portrayed as being right, but you can see where his anger and resentment comes from When Kipo turns from him, its not because she’s rejecting him but because his actions and the fact he’s forcing others to accept him or else, is wrong. Hugo/Scarlamagne interprets this as being rejected, again and the idea that no one chooses him unless he controls them. so he acts out in anger. What i do like is that you can see something change in him when he’s lead away by the Timber cats, as he noticed that Kipo could have run and saved herself, but chose to stay behind to save all the mutes himself included.

I love Benson

@chasethemaster3440

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@Slow_Internet

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too

she-ra. spoilers - adora straight up gave up on catra at the end of season 3. shes been trying to bring her to the good side and see the good in her for 3 whole seasons but in the end she realizes catra is beyond saving and starts fighting back. really surprised you missed that, it was a huge plot point, mustve not watched she-ra.

@darthluno3166

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad they tore that down with the last season.

@goronslime1469

4 жыл бұрын

Darth Luno No it’s not because catra’s redemption arc had her attempting the shadow weaver route of doing one good thing in death. But hoard prime kept her alive and it was adora who realised she can’t give up on the woman she loves. So she rescues her, then catra get a good redemption arc throughout the series that admittedly could have used more time but they made it the best they could

@davisa-n1988

4 жыл бұрын

Darth Luno i disagree. Adora went to save glimmer. She only tried to save catra after she showed that she was capable of changing for the better.

@MadameTamma

4 жыл бұрын

After giving it some thought I think the reason why Catra's redemption works (At least for me) is because it's self motivated. Adora WAS willing to give up on Catra UNTIL Catra made a choice to prove that she was willing to put in the work to earn her forgiveness. It's not a "The power of love and friendship will get her to see the light" story. It's a "This terrible person took a hard look at her own life and made the choice for herself to stop being this kind of person, even if it was the last thing she ever did" Kind of story.

@inksmudge2976

4 жыл бұрын

@@MadameTamma Personally I think the reason Catra's redemption was lacking is because she basically was forgiven right on the spot. They shoved Mermista and Scorpia (and Entrapta somewhat) to the side so she wouldnt have to deal with her past mistakes, and Glimmer forgave Catra and forgot about what happened to her mom entirely? I dont hate Catra's redemption (used to, but then I did some thi n k i n g) but I agree that it needed more time to work Also, Catra was just too cruel, maybe they shouldve toned down the murder delete the planet destroy everyones homes bloodthirsty Catra who is doing this because she HaTeS AdOrA juuuust a lil bit

"you cannot be kind to everyone. because treating everyone with equal kindness is inherently unkind to others"

Have any other shows done this?

@therumtumtiger

4 жыл бұрын

Idk maybe?

@friedchickenfetus

4 жыл бұрын

Hadiqa Zafar yeah like literally most action kids shows from the 2000s

@leschasseursdekikoo5606

4 жыл бұрын

In she ra's season 3 finale adora realized she couldn't save catra anymore and actually fought her

@luma4902

4 жыл бұрын

@@leschasseursdekikoo5606 but Kipo actually put scarlamagne in jail so i think it was more far

@xanderfett9374

4 жыл бұрын

I think wander over yonder did this in season 2.

Lich, Golb, and Orgalorg certainly couldn’t be reasoned with. Granted, nobody actually tried, but they’re actual dark gods.

@misterdewott8766

4 жыл бұрын

That's where the issue is. The Lich is extinction incarnate. He's not a creature with reason or compassion, he wants nothing but oblivion for all life. For cases like that, you cannot use reasoning or defusing the situation. The only way is to kill him... or turn him into a giant baby. But even then that didn't stop him.

@OmegaGuess

4 жыл бұрын

I think that's kind of the thing there, like...they literally CAN'T be reasoned with, on any level. They are primal. Forces. It's one thing to pose this about a literal world ending event, it's another about another sentient being, one with more complex drives and motivations.

@Joseph_Drew_III

4 жыл бұрын

@OmegaGuess I think there’s a sliding scale when it comes to that: Golb has very little (if any) cognitive function, so yes, you are correct. The Lich IS capable of higher thought, but doesn’t have his own will, being a scholar of Golb. Again, you’re completely correct. But it gets a lot trickier with Orgalorg. He’s a cosmic entity like the other two, but he has not only higher thought, but also his own plans and motivations. Granted, he doesn’t get these from a tragic past like any of the villains mentioned (or alluded to) in the video, but he checks all the other boxes for someone you could hold an interesting conversation with in which you discuss (and potentially alter) eachothers views. The main reason this isn’t an option is Orgalorg’s megalomania, rather than some cosmic role to play out.

@cryptopsyrin4425

4 жыл бұрын

@@misterdewott8766 imagine if near the end of sweetpea's life he goes on one last adventure to find someone with a heart as pure as Finn's so that way they can take on The Lich when he finally dies.

@chubzoid

4 жыл бұрын

I think the best example from Adventure Time was Finn's struggle with his father. It took Finn a long time to accept that his dad would never become a better person. No matter how hard Finn tried to build a relationship with him, Martin would never understand and respect Finn, much less treat him like family. No matter how much Finn tried to love him, he eventually realized that Martin was an unredeemable, toxic person and that chosen family can be much more important than blood ties.

SEASON 3 BABY!!!

@chasethemaster3440

4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

Ch1nn3r yeah! And 4 and 5!

@skyisherelol3492

4 жыл бұрын

@@prowolf633 eh,it depends,if we get a proper wrap up on everything with season 3 then we won't need a season 4 or 5.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

•Lemon bee• yet the show has too potential and questions to end at season 3, plus Netflix shows tends to last long now (like She Ra)

@Slow_Internet

3 жыл бұрын

@@prowolf633 it ended at season 3 lol

Isnt scarlamagn techinally like her older brother 🤔🤔 it sucks that kipo didnt get to build that strong sibling relationship. I think if they felt closer as brother and sister. i think that she could have reached him saved him from his pain

@calimorales9880

4 жыл бұрын

Well now that he is going to be mostly alone, he might be able to rethink some things.

@cannabishornliu6119

4 жыл бұрын

@@calimorales9880 Kipo's actions in episode 8 & 9 showed that Hugo's softer side is still anchored (no season 2 pun intended) in Scarlemange. I think he gets a redemption. Maybe Dr. Emilia attacks the Timber Cats in season 3 letting to destruction of their home. Hugo is still in his cage and from all people Lio is the one who let him out and try to save him but sadly Lio gets smashed by big wood parts of the three or something like that so he can't escape and dies. This started Hugo's redemption arc.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

We can’t reach to everyone!

@mckenzie.latham91

4 жыл бұрын

I think they do address that since Scarlamagne refers to her as his sister and she acts like one when they’re together, like when they play the piano and she hugs him because he looks like he needs it.

@mckenzie.latham91

4 жыл бұрын

@@cannabishornliu6119 It is true that Scarlmagne’s last words was the realization that Kipo could have run and saved herself but instead chose to stay and save the rest of the mutes as well as himself...he thought she would run like he thought Lio had back then... This is integral because scarlamagne believes that no one especially humans want to care about mutes or him because of what they are, this was a break in that thinking and it will probably affect his mind set later on.

If only they did this for the diamond arc for SU.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

Steven’s too stubborn to give up redeeming others

she-ra did something similar to catra, though there were attempts to win over with heart in the end there was no other choice, you can't change someone until they also want to change, and i heard my little pony also had that with a villain they weren't able to win over with friendship, she was just a really bad person at core

In anime what i really dislike is how they redeem in a badly written way horrible people, like naruto for example

@PixelBoye6546

4 жыл бұрын

Trueeee

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

I agree! plus Gegege No Kitaro and Star Twinkle Precure are some of the biggest criminals of forced/overused redemption! (the former refused to kill an ambitious villain who refused to let go of the yokai, having the nerve to use his backstory as an excuse to force redemption and the latter used the fact that the main villain was the Star Princesses' sister as an excuse for mercy despite the fact that she literally destroyed planets!)

@Dan-zc3ou

4 жыл бұрын

@@prowolf633 yeah, shonen are a particular offender of this trope, like i get they are tropes and cliche tied to their culture and that's fine, but now at least we can have a western alternative

@cannabishornliu6119

4 жыл бұрын

@@PixelBoye6546 Or the Diamond Redemption in season 5 of Steven Universe. If you try a redemption Arc you have to include at least two mayor points: 1: Deserve this character redemption 2: Take your time and do a properly executed redemption. Zuko's redemption is still one of the best examples of a good redemption. Peridot was also a decent redemption. The Diamond's redemption feels just like a half-baked last minute addition that feels forced. Also Kylo Rens "redemption" in episode 9 is trash too.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

Cannabis Hornliu we’re talking about animes!

I loved that Scarlemagne just couldn't be reasoned with. I mostly like that Kipo was wrong about him, though. I like protagonists that are fallible even if they are extraordinary

@anfani6839

3 жыл бұрын

Turns out that Kipo was right about him after all

How Kipo Did What Steven Universe Couldn't: The protagonists mom is alive

Scarlemagne is the True Definition of Antagonist, Change My Mind...

Comparing Kipo to Steven Universe is laughable. Kipo is like, 10 levels above that in Quality. There is literally no comparing these.

No reference to ATLA dedicating an entire character arc for the main character on the gray morality of having to rid the world of an evil tyrant?

Actually dreamwork has done this before *Kung fu panda 1 and 2:* Tai lung is impeached by Shi fu, having Shi fu even tell him how sorry he is for what he turned him into, but Tai Lung is too determined to have the scroll, and then when Tai lung finds that the dragon scroll is empty Po tells him its because there is no magical power it’s you who makes yourself the greatest warrior and Tai lung can't accept it and forces Po to defeat him In the second film after Po has beaten Shen’s armada, Shen cannot understand how Po could have overcome his past trauma to actually beat him (his own trauma with his family having been a a major hurtle in his life and motivation) When Po tells him that the past does not define who are now, Shen goes nuts and tries to kill lPo only to cause his own cannon to fall and crush him. *How to Train your dragon 2:* Hiccup believes that he can talk Drago Bloodfist down if he can find him, Stoick tells him that some men cannot be reasoned with, but Hiccupt believes he can until he meets Drago and he realizes Drago isn’t interested in peaceful coexistence but wants to use dragons to control and rule over people... then hiccup realizes he has no choice but to stop Drago by force.

“ALL HE WANTED WAS A HUG AND BLANKET” Kipo: I like hugs and blankets-

Here after season 3 and.... WELP

She-ra and the Princesses of Power also has stories that deal with redemption of villains.

@adinperiasun6064

3 жыл бұрын

She ra sucks in opinion, sorry

@LadyAhro

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a perfect show but definitely a good one.

I mean, avatar kinda lampshaded this whole trope. "I know, she's my sister, I should be trying to get along with her" "No, she's crazy and she needs to go down! "

I mean, when you think about it Avatar TLA actually had a very similar conundrum as Kipo. Aang wanted only to beat the fire lord through non violence, and though he did eventually find a non violent way he did not reach this without violent means, as ozai was unreasonable and Aang knew he couldn't simply let him continue.

Kipo and the Wonderbeasts >>> Steven Universe

I believe avatar did the same as well, with some of its villains.

@carso1500

4 жыл бұрын

Well yeah, while Zuko did changed sides and become a better person every other mayor villain was just incarcelated, no questions asked

@DooDlingDulces

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but avatar never tried to send the message of "change the villains through dialogue and sympathy" so I don't know if it counts 🤔

@Santiago-pl9mn

4 жыл бұрын

@@DooDlingDulces well that's true, but still, that was the avatars filosofy, or actually Aang's, he was the one who strived to find a better way of ending all those years of war, so in a way, I think it was a message that they were Trying to send, all be it not as direct as with Kipo undoubtedly.

@jlinus7251

4 жыл бұрын

@@carso1500 probably a good thing. Can you imagine how stupid it would be to redeem the fire lord. Kinda like redeeming Hitler 🤣

@spiritgaming1442

4 жыл бұрын

@@DooDlingDulces less of redeeming but im pretty sure one of Aangs final arcs was trying to find a way to defeat the fire lord without killing him

Ok... Now i will watch Kipo, wich i didn't know existed untill those minutes ago

She Ra also does a great job at having the hero not win over the bad guy’s heart (at first lol). At first Adora is still trying to show Catra what’s wrong, and even though Catra nearly understands, time and time again she still doesn’t do the right thing, like when she flipped the switch for the portal. Eventually Adora learns the fact that she can’t redeem Catra anymore, it would have to be her own choice, which does eventually happen when Catra realizes she has nothing left on Horde Prime’s ship and wants to do one good thing in her life

Scarlamane might end up being redeemed, but they've put focus on the new villain being a nasty person. I don't think she will, I think Kupo will have to actually end her. You're also forgetting reboot She-ra erased Horde Prime, Hordak wasn't exactly redeemed. He's not a villain any more, but he's not redeemed. He did turn against Horde Prime, but he did it because he wanted to protect Entrapta. Not because it was the right thing to do. Though he also wasn't leading the Horde on Etheria because of some villainous plot, he wanted to prove his worth to Horde Prime. She-Ra whole plot was rather complex in that way, even Shadow Weaver, who also wasn't redeemed.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

I feel he redeem via heroic sacrifice (no one will accept him after everything he’s done, he and Emilia both gotta die!)

@qlipothian

3 жыл бұрын

@@prowolf633 According to the shows writer Shadow Weavers sacrifice was "selfish" as she basically thought to herself that "people will have no choice but to forgive me now"

I haven’t seen kepo but I will give it a look 👀 because it’s on Netflix.

I tell you, Kipo was infused not only by jaguar DNA but also My Little Pony “Friendship” DNA, which makes any individual who comes in contact with Kipo be infused with it. The side-effects are more smiling, telling your true feelings, reduced aggression and THE MOST SCARY one... *singing*

I kinda realized when hugo showed that he didnt hate kipo at all. And that he did want to be a big brother. And that a huge part of him wanted his little sister and they couldve been a happy family but he IS insane. And I LIKE THAT. BUT IM ALSO SAD BECAUSE HUGO GOOD BIG BROTHER THEY A MUSIC FAMILY. IM SOBBING

I think there’s a lot of kids shows now that show this type of character like someone who disagrees with the main character but doesn’t mean their redeemed with friendship like a simple version would be Tangled the series - rapunzel wants to be liked by everyone but the guy who likes everyone doesn’t like her and she tries to “persuade” him to like her but by the end of the episode they both realize that they just aren’t gonna like each other. It’s not because one is good and the other is evil but because their people that disagree in their views that doesn’t mean they hate each other but also doesn’t mean they like each other their neutral and I think that’s a good point to show rather than a villain and a hero they showed both characters as smart, nice, reasonable and good but their views aren’t all the same making for a MILD conflict that doesn’t need to be resolved it gives the message that “not everyone likes you it’s not because either of you did something it’s just how the world works” which is a GREAT message to give to kids that don’t deal with heroic ideals and it’s simple to understand but complex in thought Another one that gets a little deeper is she-ra - shadow weaver dies in the end but doesn’t mean she is redeemed because she still at the end of the day abused the children under her care she dies heroically to an outside perspective “protecting her children” but to me it was very obvious that she died not to gain forgiveness because she saw nothing wrong with her abusive nature her last line was “your welcome” not I’m sorry which is very true for her character she isn’t redeemed when she dies and catra and adora cries for her but doesn’t dwell to much on her passing showing they do care about her but they can’t fully understand her intentions (I think that shows through out the series for both of them trust her to an extent but knows she isn’t a great person overall) another one is catra cause she wanted to die to be redeemed but when she lives it’s obvious that it isn’t easy for her to say sorry instead shows it through her actions- which I think is a much better sorry but lots of people disagree- catra was willing to die for someone else and to be forgiven for her past actions but DEATH isn’t the answer to “become a hero” you need to act like one. (Like adora she maybe called the hero but her purpose as she-ra for the first ones was a colonizer (which idk if I have to state this ISN’T HEROIC AT ALL) not to save etheria but she CHOOSES to leave her life behind and make herself a hero) Another story is avatar aang doesn’t forgive ozai and no one does not even zuko cause he is a messed up person not only to his colony but to his children ,friend and sibling too no one “redeems” him heck by the end we don’t care about him he is just the villain defeated not the redeemed character (that spot goes to zuko OF COURSE) Our animated kids shows are getting better and better and I stan an industry that can evolve

Avatar. Just... Avatar... that's the cartoon you're looking for that doesn't do the friendship BS, instead it deals with actual redemption, forgiveness, and multiple characters that just can't be redeemed.

The amazing world of gumbal. Where the balloon guy turns dictator, and they pop him in the end.

And now, after season 3 ... I think this show is as perfect as Gravity Falls, which is impossible, so... wow.

Meanwhile me: "Damn, I wish I could help everyone"

Just remembered an anime called "Monster" very dark but it dives in to the subject of "Are all people redeemable or is it some times saving more lives to kill one person?" its a good watch if you want to see both sides of the debate.

@ariesmry

3 жыл бұрын

sasamichan THIS. Kipo is good in it’s own right, but I dont see the nuance that everyone else see. It’s a story that has been told several times over, its just packaged differently and executed a hip way for a new, younger audience. I see no issue with this, it preps the groundwork and is told in a manner that is digestible for kids. But as an adult, I think to best execution these themes is when you really explore the darkness in people, because its in those moments where you have to wade through the horrors of the world, look past triggered emotional reactions, and really grapple with this idea of redemption. And Monster does this in a way that is deeply uncomfortable and complex, which to me, makes it much more impactful. There’s no colorful animation style, no soundtracks, no friendship songs, no lovable protagonist. It’s people being terrible. And awareness of backstory or not, its up to the viewer to decide on morality.

I absolutely adore your analysis of Kipo

SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE OF SEASON 3: It broke my heart to see him dying after he protected his family and after he accepted Kipo as his sister - he even wanted to be called Hugo in the end; such a beautiful character but I cant stop crying at his death, it totally caught me off-guard - but I am also happy that he died knowing that there was a family that loved him so much

I love how wolfs backstory is only known fully by the viewer, not the characters and that it has no influence. They know she doesnt want to talk about it and thats it Edit: SPOILER WARNING FOR SEASON 3 in light of recent events my statement is revoked but I've only watched till ep.3 and wait to see the rest until I'm together with my BF again so no return spoilers pls thx

He couldn't be a higher priority to Kipo, while he continued to force others to have much greater needs than his.

I think the more important message here is the it's not the responsibility of one person to have all of the compassion in a relationship, and when someone is not willing to reciprocate that, there is only so much you can do.

I also like how Kipo befriends others. She isn't Just Nice, like many are. No, she teacher the hearts of people by knowing them, because that is what works. She isn't that naive, but she can see the good in people. She isn't "just nice" to the snakes, she brings them what they love, music. She isn't "just nice" to timbercats, she calms down Pierre,And earns Yumyan trust by catching the butterfly.

*Steven vibes be 8/10*

A lot of people are mentioning Avatar and how Azula and Ozai were not redeemed and that is a great point. I think another great thing avatar does though is that it teaches you that you do not need to forgive people who have wronged you. A lot of if not most kids shows always preach that everyone can be redeemed and forgiven but Avatar doesn't. Its realistic. Like when Katara confronted the man who murdered her mother. She said she would never forgive him, but that didn't stop her from moving on with her life. What is great about avatar is that it teaches you that not everyone can be redeemed or forgiven but that doesn't mean everyone can't move foward because of that. That is something everyone needs to know. I hate the narrative that bad people/people who hurt others can always be redeemed and forgiven because its not realistic. A murderer won't suddenly become nice because you're nice to them. I hate when kids shows romaticize that idea because that is dangerous. Avatar shows that some people like Zuko and Iroh who have done horrible things are not always horrible people, but it also shows that people who have done horrible things like Azula and Ozai are horrible people. Not all people who do horrible things are horrible people, but horrible people who do horrible things are horrible.

When it came to that realization in the Kipo, it blew my mind! So good!

Korra had a lot of optimism about talking Kuvira out of her crazy plans. It ended up with Kuvira almost killing everyone, including her boyfriend and Korra having to fight her.

I’m really glad you pointed this out. A lot of shows now will do what Steven Universe does to an extent- be able to get through to the antagonist through words and reasoning. On the other side of the spectrum, you see some action cartoons use fighting to win over the character, and once the antagonist is beat they then side with the protagonist (this is seen in a lot of shounen anime at least). I like how Kipo creates a sort of combination of the two, where though she initially wants to change Scarlamagnes mind through reasoning and love, she finds herself in a situation where she has to fight in order to save the people she loves. I also like that Scarlamagne doesn’t get redeemed at the end of this season. I think there is a chance he will be redeemed, especially after his remark on Kipo putting the mutes first, but I’m glad they’re giving his character time to maybe reflect on his decisions rather than him being fine with just tagging along with the group after fighting them five minutes ago.

"they are mean, they hurt my friends, they hurt my face" "that's why we can't fight them" "that's why we *have* to fight them" who said that? steven universe... when it was good

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

yet he still refused to fight or shatter

@CristianGomez-yu8gp

4 жыл бұрын

I realy wanted a *real* battle in future

@kwehkweh5291

4 жыл бұрын

I still love Steven universe but it definitely lost its direction of what it started out as. It got too popular and then it had to try to hard to appeal to everyone, at least that's what it seems.

@juno8731

4 жыл бұрын

*shattered jasper has entered the chat*

@misterdewott8766

4 жыл бұрын

How the mighty have fallen...

This video introduced me to Kipo and honestly it was something I didn't know I needed.

I think we just found a good cartoon for the second decade of our lives. This will definitely be in my top 10.

She Ra kind of did it at the end of season 3. The "you made your choice, now live with it" punch at least read as such to me.

True. But let’s face it, Kipo wouldn’t get to explore this without shows like Steven Universe laying the groundwork first. That’s how it works-everything builds on what came before.

Oh my god. Thank you for talking about this finally. I really need people to know about this show, it’s really great.

The reason you explained in this video was very descriptive and this is why the book of life is one of my favourite movies

This guy: "This is the first show that shows that some people are beyond redemption." Me (an intellectual): What about Azula she had a way more tragic backstory with layers deep enough it took Hellofutureme a good 45 minutes to analyse and deconstruct, she had no redemption. she was way beyond that. They all got a chance at redemption and only Zuko took it, even Ozai got a chance at redemption only to attack and scold Aang. The problem with clickbait BS like "somthing this did what "insert" or any other thing for that matter didn't." is that you're bound to be proven wrong.

@vovabars1234

4 жыл бұрын

look comparing new shows to avatar is useless ATLA is a paragon of what an animated show should be

@thehellhound8582

4 жыл бұрын

@@vovabars1234 My point isn't to compare it to ATLA, my point is that this guy is full of BS for stating that "no show has ever done this before" I feel like you haven't read my comment fully as my conclusion at the end makes this point quite clear.

@vovabars1234

4 жыл бұрын

@@thehellhound8582 I understand what you are talking agouti reckon he said just to clickbait

@Sylocat

4 жыл бұрын

Literally every single show other than Steven Universe does this exact same thing.

@justynhill4814

3 жыл бұрын

Who said that Hugo is the one beyond redemption? It’s Amelia that’s is beyond redemption.

Haven't got to the frieza saga yet but I think that happens in DBZ during the frieza saga.

@mckenzie.latham91

4 жыл бұрын

It’s actually the Cell saga, android 16 imparts to Gohan that while not wanting to fight because you don’t like fighting is admirable...Those like cell cannot be reached or swayed by words alone, and that they will go on hurting people if you don’t stand up against them.

"It will undoubtably have another 3 seasons with 32 episodes each-" the dude who made the series said basically that it was always planned to have only 3 seasons HOWEVER he very much wants to do movies.

“If it’s like the other dreamworks shows, it’s undoubtedly going to have another 3 seasons with 32 episodes coming out over the next year.” If only. But I am so glad we only got what we did yet so sad we didn’t get more.

The problem I had with Steven Universe was the redemption of the diamonds. They did some truly horrible things and still we redeemed. I’m kinda annoyed about that. We can sympathize with Scarlamagne but he isn’t redeemed. Kipo tries. She wanted to believe in him. And in the end he didn’t have much of a redemption. And as terrible as what happened to him is, he did some terrible things.

Saying Steven Universe is the most epic cartoon ever is a joke

Praising the season 2 finale for showing that not all villains can be redeemned. Season 3 spends time redeeming villain.

The difference between kipo and Steven universe is kipo knows how to end a show properly without ruining everything that was built upon in the whole show.

Somehow, I still don’t think Scarlemagne is a lost cause, at least not yet. His final words b4 being taken away really imply that he still has the potential 4 redemption

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

sparxstreak02 you’re right! I predict he’ll redeem through a heroic sacrifice! (This isn’t disney! Someone has to die permanently in order to stop this hate cycle between mutes and humans!)

@sparxstreak02

4 жыл бұрын

Pro Wolf I’d rather Scarlemagne WASN’T sacrificed, we’ve seen 2 many of those 2 the point where it’s become a bit of a cop out & it’s more interesting 2 c some1 EARN their redemption through continuous self improvement.

@prowolf633

4 жыл бұрын

sparxstreak02 you don’t get it, even if he redeems the humans won’t ever forgive him for what he’s done! There wouldn’t be anything for him!

@sparxstreak02

4 жыл бұрын

Pro Wolf I’m afraid we’ll have 2 just agree 2 disagree here 😒

@sobersplash6172

3 жыл бұрын

@@sparxstreak02 yeah, this; if you're going to do a redemption, it shouldn't be something like "oh and the only way he can redeem himself is by dying" like it's both a copout and a kind of shitty message, both on "the only way you can become better is through sacrificing yourself" angle and the "by dying he doesn't ever need to actually face the consequences of his actions" angle

I love Kipo because it's so much like Digimon

@zzz43344

4 жыл бұрын

@raffle baffle Same

This show needs more attention

As a 12 year old I'd love for TV to show us sometimes people don't change to the better and you have to fight.

When I saw the title I thought "They said the word gay"

I feel like Kipo is superior already.

This make me think about John Silver in the movie Treasure Planet. He teaches Jim some important things and becomes a father figure to him, but when Jim finally found his place and knows who exactly he is, Silver decides to take his own path. Silver could be with Jim and have a life with him, but he decides to let him go. Jim has grown, Jim already knows the lessons that Silver could teach him, so Silver now doesn't fit in Jim's life. It's time for these two characters to take their own paths, even if they're not connected.

I think the "winning villains over with their heart" thing is a bit of an overcorrection from past shows where they always had to beat up the bad guy and there was no moral ambiguity.