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@Spiderman7Bob7

Жыл бұрын

Guy Madison was a well liked movie and TV star . I had heard that he was apprecitive of his fans . No he was not a great actor , but neither was Tab Hunter nor Kim Novak oooooooooor the icon Rita Hayworth . But these stars had something that they can't teach in drama school and that's charisma . We loved them . Period . And please don't spread 'gossip' which this clip is .

@beverlydavis4347

Жыл бұрын

He wasn't gay it was gossip

He was one of the most handsome men ever. He was supposed to be one of the nicest, kindest men. Lets just think of him fondly.

@tonisumblin2719

Жыл бұрын

I agree completely

One of the most beautiful men that God ever made! PERIOD!

@halitosis75

Жыл бұрын

I'm very moist watching this episode 😅

@barbarafox437

Жыл бұрын

Yes he was a gorgeous man. I had such a crush on him .

@michaelgardner-vn6kn

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. No, he wasn't gay If only1

@paulobarcelos2308

Жыл бұрын

If you talk about his face, you are very right. But his physique was rather slim, too thin, too lean, he needed more physical volume, some muscles to make the picture complete.

@kennethdower7425

Жыл бұрын

Your imaginary daddy didn't make anything. PERIOD!

I'm 77 & saw "Wild Bill Hickcock" from its beginning in 1951 & loved it! That show joined the list of "westerns", e.g. The Lone Ranger, Gene Autry, Roy Rogers & Hopalong Cassidy, which were starting or already on the air! The 1950's was a great time to be a kid in America!

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

Gal dang! Same here, Ron, but I've gotta whole year on ya! Saw him in Lafayette CA back in olde '52 it was. Jingles was there also. Gotta photo snap of me with him too. And, it SURE was that, as you say. "Wild Bill -- wait for me!!" Jingles

@EricJGreer

Күн бұрын

Yes, if you were white it was a great time to be a child in the USA.

❤Gay or straight? I don't care! He sure is easy on the eyes.Very handsome man.❤

He was a handsome man no question about that. When I was 6, I used to watch "The Adventures of Wild Bill Hikok" every week. I even got my mom to buy "Sugar Pops" cereal because his picture was on the box ! Don't care what his private life was like ! THAT'S why it's called PRIVATE !

Thanks for this great post. My first experience with GUY was watching Wild Bill as a kid. Didn't know much of his film work. Obviously he was physically a beautiful man. But from this post, he was much like Elizabeth Taylor .Beautiful on the outside,but even more beautiful in his heart ❤. Obviously he did everything possible for his first wife. Rumors were rampant in Hollywood. Although things are somewhat better now, recent events are disgusting and a throwback 😮. Gay, straight,or bi, he was one great GUY! 👍

@tonisumblin2719

Жыл бұрын

I agree. ❤

He is one of the handsomest men that I have ever seen. He has passed away, so there are always going to be accusations that he was gay. He had a large family. He can't defend himself.

@katbrown1449

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about Jimmy steward! Beautiful and smart! Too bad we missed each other.

@markbarthrop7083

Жыл бұрын

why do you need to defend yourself if you are gay?

@shadykatie100

Жыл бұрын

@@markbarthrop7083 We don't know if it is true or not. Anyone can say anything if your are dead these days.

@TomMaxwell756

Жыл бұрын

I don't really care about his sexuality. If he was or wasn't gay, who gives a shit? What I do care about is that yes, he was so incredibly handsome but due to his reckless personal habits his health in later life was atrocious. He died at age 74 from emphysema. Here are the stats on emphysema. Only 3% of smokers will get emphysema but 97% with the disease were or are smokers. One form has nothing to do with smoking but it's completely unrelated. And there ya have it. He smoked like a chimney and paid the ultimate price.

@shadykatie100

Жыл бұрын

@@TomMaxwell756 That is a horrible way to die. My grandfather went the same way, and he had it a long time too. I enjoyed is work as an actor, and he made a great cowboy too.

A beautiful man who was undoubtedbly chased by both sexes. I would have succumbed to his charms.

@Jasona1976

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@sharksport01

Жыл бұрын

You'd succumb to Don Knotts.

@jerrylee8261

Жыл бұрын

@@sharksport01 You'd succumb to Quasimodo.

@Jasona1976

Жыл бұрын

@@sharksport01 When the argument is lost...the LOSER resorts to insults. You, gramps, win the prize.

@scotnick59

Жыл бұрын

@@sharksport01 You meant Don's Nuts...lol

Guy's manager and mentor the notoriously gay predator Henry Willson often told the story of how he surprised Guy Madison and Rory Calhoun shagging in the back of a car parked in his drive way. If the Caddy's a rockin don't come knocking😁

@poetcomic1

Ай бұрын

Neither could act very much. They used to say of Rory that he had two expressions: hat on and hat off. And Guy Madison was at his best has a stony faced cowboy.

I got to know him in the early 90s after he moved to Morongo Valley Ca. He was on oxygen by then. I asked him a lot about his old movies and different actors. He didn't seem the least bit Gay. In fact he was very dismissive of several Gay actor's he'd known. He loved his daughter's I recall

he was a sexy fella and had pretty eyes

I remember Guy Madison as Wild Bill Hickok on TV when I was a little girl.

@barbarafox437

Жыл бұрын

I always watched the show and thought he was the most handsome guy.

It was very difficult to be homosexual back then… even if you were you had to suppress it somehow… 😢

Yep, don’t care either way. I’m sure he was chased by both sexes.

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

Ha! You are most wise, Aunt Edna!

Carey Grant, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, the list goes on of the former actors who cannot defend the crap thrown out about them.

My goodness, Guy Madison! He was a stunningly handsome man and a real heart throb at the time. As I recall, I believe he married the equally beautiful Gail Russell. A sad case as it turned out.

A PERSON´S PERSONAL SEXUAL ACTIVITIES ARE NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS.

@akrenwinkle

Ай бұрын

I was expecting this. You saw the word "homosexual" in the title, and you leaped up to click, like a dog jumping for a biscuit. But say it's none of our business.

Key word is Actor. You play a part. Private life is yours. But of course career wise then you were still trapped

Willson the gay Hollywood agent (and guy's) caught Guy bottoming for Rory Calhoun in a car!

@fmtalks1386

Ай бұрын

So Wilson says. He's one person.

Actually it was his smile that made him stand out.

@danielbisson8032

Жыл бұрын

he also was largely endowed

@user-bd4yv6wj6i

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbisson8032 In Willson's book Guy had a small one

@danielbisson8032

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bd4yv6wj6i not i saw in his photos

@tomvalveede6808

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bd4yv6wj6i Pause and check it out. Definitely NOT small! He was Very Well Endowed!! MORE than Most men!

One of my favorite gay Hollywood stories is when Maureen O’Hara was visiting director John Ford to talk about a movie he was planning on doing she accidentally walked in on him kissing Tyrone Power ! SEXY !

@cocoaorange1

Жыл бұрын

John Ford was bi? I knew about Tyrone?

@dianawardrip5171

2 ай бұрын

How about sick!

@edshoaff3055

2 ай бұрын

@@dianawardrip5171 You are just hateful because you can’t tell people who they are supposed to be. I think of all the religious freaks who kick their gay kids out of the house because they don’t agree with how they were born….if that is Religious love then it is just EVIL like YOU !

He was absolutely that most gorgeous man of all time!

Phoneywood's casting couch works the same for pretty boys as it does for pretty girls. Ask Channing Tatum.

@cocoaorange1

Жыл бұрын

He mentioned being hit on by gay agents?

RIP Guy.🙏

He was a Hollywood pretty boy. That does not make you gay. There were a number of actors who were outstandingly good looking but were straight. There are too many people on the internet trying to spread the false "internet, you can't believe everything on the internet " crap!

For cryin' out loud! Why do we need to know who a person shares physical affection with? Truth be told, most of us would give it up with a person we feel attracted to. But life is not a game of conquest.

He was in a movie called, " Honeymoon" with Shirley Temple when she was an adult.

🤔🤫 Makes me wonder, were there actually any straight male actors in Hollywood ?. Or was Lassie the only one !. And rumors say even Lassie was Bi -sexul !. 😮

@terry4137

Жыл бұрын

That’s what they want you to believe. A lot of it is BS!

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

Well, dog-boy Lassie as set aside, Alan, Jeff Miller (aka Tommy Rettig) absolutely was bi- ('ambi-' as more definitionally correct) -- zero question! It is said by ones in-the-knowing, that he was very well regulated TO BOTH amorously; no complaints regarding -- having ever been heard -- as any discouraging word. (You can see that I avoid usage of straight-triggering terminology, and so do here euphemize sans shame?) It is my fervid hope that Western sensibilities come to their collective senses individually or severally, re this KEY vital subject -- THE ONE so often proving of great secretive torment to males generally. This MUST be effected to our mental and spiritual relief. Enough, I say, of the abided semi-insanity resulting, because not. "ALL things in moderation" !!

@claudermiller

Жыл бұрын

Lassie was trans. He had his balls cut off and lived as a woman.

@carlreed6186

Жыл бұрын

Some of the gay rumors were true many were not.

@LP-hs6yz

Жыл бұрын

Lassie was a confirmed lesbian.

He was gorgeous. Don’t care about his sexuality. Nothing to do with what he was like as a person though I know it was a big deal years ago during his heyday. But wow what a gorgeous man. Nice to see him featured here. Thank you for the video

@dianawardrip5171

2 ай бұрын

Still a big deal!!!

TILL THE END OF TIME It is a good film with Dorothy McGuire. I think his acting was fine and he was skilled at humor. He hit his marks and showed some emotion. One of my favorite wartime films. Fragile and talented Gail Russell probably had the only happiness in her life with Guy Madison. Madison loved working.

@evelyn7881

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I remember watching that film. It was post WWII

@gordonayres2609

Жыл бұрын

I agree with what you say. I like the movie myself! He in a way was right for that sort of role-a confused returning soldier with uncertainty about where he stood and where he was going after being in war service and glad to have come home but amongst everyone including his family who had no understanding of what he had been in . Someone like Clark Gable etc would have been all wrong .Maybe the studios were seeking another Dana Andrews after "The Best Years of Our Lives" . Typical of them to do a second type of B version and then the critics complain, singling out that actor as they did with derisive remarks if it wasn't as successful .

@fmtalks1386

Жыл бұрын

That's the only film I've seen him in. Clear to see why he's not remembered for his acting.

he is gorgeous. I saw him some and fell for him but, my abilitiy to find him was slim.

@RichardBaker-wt8wm

3 ай бұрын

That's a good one!

Another video in which we learn absolutely nothing. Just rumor spreading with no facts whatsoever. Waste of time!

Looking very nice. Thank you for sharing..

He was a little before my time, but be certainly was Gorgeous. Maybe, like so many actors of the time, he was bisexuality. Cary Grant comes to mind...married women bit had affairs w men. It was taboo back then to be Gay!

Что-то в нём присутствует такое, что возвращаешь взгляд на него.

Guy had a thing for Rory

He was such a gorgeous man....

Thank you for this educational video Rip greatness Amen 🙏.

Enjoyed!

Thank you for your video.

We're all familiar with the casting couch , I'm sure with good looking young men in old Hollywood were familiar with it too ! It is and will always be a part of Hollywood .

Henry M. gave him his name and was his agent. He was the one who represented Guy Madison, Rory Calhoun, Troy Donohue, and many other good looking actors. Like Rock Hudson. Guy and Rory did have affair too. There is a book about Henry. It's called the Man who discovered Rock Hudson.(?). Henry's had so many hot, young men. He arranged many marriages, to hide their gay lifestyles.

@terrygibbs1147

Жыл бұрын

An excellent book

@michaelgardner-vn6kn

Жыл бұрын

How about all those snappy first names he gave them?

@caesarbolchini6465

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that is all true ... all bi-sexual ... but they all liked men more, they had to have flexibility being sexually-fluid to dodge the public finding out the real truth ... it is o.k., I love 💕 they were having sex with other bi-sexual or gay men ... they had the best of both worlds ... but they really loved their sex with men, for sure, or they would have stopped at a certain point in their lives’s !!!!

@kennethrussell1158

Жыл бұрын

Tom Cruise

@user-od5fh3gn4d

Жыл бұрын

It’s evil for gay men to marry women- it was evil then and it’s evil now. Wasting a woman’s precious youth, impregnating her, only to chase endless c-ck and anus behind her back- total disrespect for the woman. Men like that are scum.

It is rather obvious that Guy Madison is not gay. To get into the movies, he had to work with a business manager who introduced him to producers. (Rory Calhoun was another victim of this business manager.) (Even James Dean talked about movie producers who invited him to dinner: with the inevitable shower and after-dinner tryst.) By the way, if you doubt what I say, be aware there is a book out there about this "business manager."

@aimeekubik8803

Жыл бұрын

What evil resides in this World.

@jonhinson5701

Жыл бұрын

How is it obvious? Just because his wrists were not limp and he acted masculine? You do know that most gay men do not confirm to the stereotype that has been pushed forth by hysterical homophobes.

@leoinsf

Жыл бұрын

@@jonhinson5701 I agree with you! What people do in their bedrooms does not necessarily coincide with their appearance. However, I do feel people are sometimes sexually coerced into doing things they ordinarily wouldn't do in their lives!

@paulybarr

Жыл бұрын

Yes, his name is mentioned several times in the narration- it was Henry Willson ( spelled with two Ls).

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

@@aimeekubik8803 Soon you will be KNOWING instead of BELIEVING. (This can be interpreted in two most opposing ways.)

very handsome and cool

All gossip about the sexuality of Hollywood stars comes from three sources. First, young gay fans hoping that wishing might make it so. Second, jealous boyfriends telling their girlfriends, "he wouldn't want you he's gay." Third, malicious gossips hoping to wound. 3:03

@michaelgardner-vn6kn

Жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right!

@JL-re1rx

Жыл бұрын

You overlooked mentioning the main reason :the truth. Your bi or homophobia is unbecoming of your character.

@thomasdevine867

Жыл бұрын

@J L The gossip almost never involves reality. There were almost no rumors about Rock Hudson being gay. Why? Because the idea didn't turn people on. Meanwhile, Gene Kelly, who seems to have been heterosexual and monogamous ( or very close to it), excites constant speculation. Why? Because even heterosexual guys get excited about the idea. Rumor rarely touches reality.

@thomasdevine867

Жыл бұрын

@Lee Browning My point is that rumors about the sexuality of movie stars are less about the star's actual life and much more about the eroctic fantasies of the audience. Cary Grant lived at a time when bisexuality was barely a concept in the broader culture. Yet the rumors about Grant were never that he was gay, but that he was bi. Meanwhile, although his living with Randolph Scott is given as proof of Grant's bisexuality it is only allowed to be proof of rumors about Scott. Why? Because people get off on seeing Grant as bi and Scott as het. The desires acknowledged or otherwise of the audience have nothing to do with the sexuality of the star. Rumors reflect the needs of the gossip, not the reality of those gossip about.

@retroray58warby98

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdevine867 - I think the reason for denying and/or hiding Rock Hudson’s homosexuality had more to do with protecting his career.

he also had a son. who was his son's mother?

Beautiful

Sad. Depression is so difficult for families.

Why do we all need to hide being gay?

@jerrylee8261

Жыл бұрын

It shouldn't be hidden instead shout it from the roof tops with pride.

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

As for why it is done, this is psycho-socially very, very complicated. On the other-hand, in terms of Mother Nature and Her workings of Her wonders, it is as simple as 1-2-3 !! (Those with agendas to the end of achieving some form of gain, do not want 1-2-3 simplicity.)

God forbid that a handsome masculine man is actually gay. Many gay men had marriages to women to protect their reputation from a bigoted fan base. This was the usual case and not just for actors but for most men in America.

@user-od5fh3gn4d

Жыл бұрын

Men who marry women when they’re actually gay were abusers of women- then and now. It was okay to be a bachelor back then and it still is now. They just used and abused and cheated on their wives.. Men who do that were scum, and they’re still cowardly scum. They totally wreck the women they marry emotionally, and often physically- now many of these men feel entitled to have a female slaving over them while they cruise for gay sex- which is total narcissism and selfishness. They lie and lie and lie to women. Horrible people then and now. If you don’t like women, stay away from them. It’s not that hard.

Симпатяшка, такие мужчины сразу запоминаются, шикарный.

He didn't look a patch like Wild Bill but I loved him anyway

Wow!

I remember him from his movies.

Reading KZread, I think that almost the Hollywood actors were bisexual. In fact, I sometimes think actors , now and then, were/ are bisexual.

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

Those are likely safe bets, Sandra but, some number likely fancied you dear ladies too! (How could this not be the case???) I've a photograph of myself with Guy when 7 years of age (no crush!). He was signing a photo for me and had his big six-shooter right in front of him, right there on the table. Although this was all of seventy-two years ago, I remember exactly what my thoughts were: "I could grab that gun, run, and I'd HAVE IT" thinking naught a thought of any consequences. Better thoughts did prevail however and alas, I did not.

A very good looking guy - If he wasnt into other guys at first it was inevitable he would be persued and got - The studios having him strip off so much would have been like a red flag to some very clever and persistant bulls who always got what they wanted in the end

Watch the episode on Wagon Train as the part of Riley Gratton. He worked with Ward Bond there. He had such a grin and was a great character on that show. He worked with Andy Devine. He had la d that western shows would rent. Why are you hung up on male sex? Are you gY?

Is this video about Guy or Gail?

Some photos he looks like Peter O'Toole .

@serratograffiti

Жыл бұрын

How about William Holden?

In his first role in SINCE YOU WENT AWAY, Guy MAdison acted a bit on the swishy side ,as well as being a protege of gay talent agent Henry Willson. Who know what he did for Willson to get parts as well as other actors in his corral ? Maybe his marriages were to hide his real nature. I do renenber seeubg hin when I was a kid when he played Wild Bill Hicock .

@jimmywoo3885

Жыл бұрын

Henry claimed he caught Guy Madison getting "topped" by Rory Calhoon in car during a thunderstorm.

Why did you wait until he died?

Why do I get the feeling you're more interested in outing an actor after they're dead?

5:45 shirley temple

tbh, Gail Russell was the more interesting subject of this video.

@RubenDario-hr4iq

Жыл бұрын

Definitely. She deserves a documentary bio.

Very superficial.

It was part of him ..... Just my opinion

Difficult to be gay that time

@MrCrowebobby

Жыл бұрын

But it never stopped anyone.

@tomvalveede6808

Жыл бұрын

Even today!

The narrator sounds like Nigel Farage

Весь светится, в глазах хитринка.

I'm Robert Madison his son. I can tell yiu for sure that he was not gay. He was completely straight and loved women.

@user-vv9hp8lh3d

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you 💯 per cent. He was my favorite actor and no one in Hollywood was more handsome than him. I watch all of his movies on T V. By the way you look so much like him.

@user-bd4yv6wj6i

Жыл бұрын

Roberto....You are wrong. He was not 100% straight. But...who cares.

@MrCrowebobby

Жыл бұрын

You, as his son, would be the last to know for sure.

@bryanspindle4455

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrCrowebobbyMy dad married twice and had three kids and he was bi.

@MrCrowebobby

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanspindle4455 I'm not sure I get your point. Most of us have no idea what our parents real sexual tastes are.

Bipolar?

dayum he fine

"indulgent eyes"??

@butchmitch731

Жыл бұрын

😊

he was recruited by Henry Wilson. Guaranteed he put out to get cast on SYWA

2:37 Paul Rudd doppelgänger.

What a crock

Is this Homo month for your videos?

@rongendron8705

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

Do not become too overwrought as Hetero week is right around the corner. You see, there is not enough material existing for more.

@tomvalveede6808

Жыл бұрын

@@rongendron8705 Remember what Elizabeth Taylor said, "There would be No Hollywood without Gay Men!" Suck it hb h j hhhhh h hup

@tomvalveede6808

Жыл бұрын

@@rongendron8705 Phone low! UP 👍🍀🍀🍀

Better looking than Holden in my opinion

Is this about Gail Russell or Guy Madison?

Now you’ve involved in spreading this same gossip. I ll try to remember your name so I don’t watch anything else you have anything to do :::…with

Useless gossip...

Was he hung?

@orlandodiola7076

Жыл бұрын

He looks it 😂😂😂😂😂😂

OK,there seems to be more gays than straight people..

@carlreed6186

Жыл бұрын

Sells more papers that way. usually its dead actors attacked. they cannot sue.

@patriciahufft3103

Жыл бұрын

In Hollywood... Yes

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

As to the truth of the matter, Colin, the medical term "polymorphous-sexual" is THE KEY to understanding what Nature has made. She does this for a REASON! Any of the rest that you might discover, I'll leave to yourself.

What a Hunk

He had a Bob Hope nose

Guy madison

The writing for this is wretched and at times incoherent.

Any man this handsome....err pretty and name Guy has got to be gay!

14:45 "Shedule ?, Skedule?,...I think you're full of 'skit'!" , Dorothy Parker

Good for him… everyone should have the right of enjoy sex with anyone they want with the other person approval!

I hope someday someone will explain to me or us what does it matter where a guy puts or does not put his pee pee? Why is this a topic of conversation? What does this issue have to do with how one performs his job UNLESS it has his pee pee involved? I seriously doubt "Guy Madison was gay", he was married and had a child out of wedlock. Nonetheless, who cares? Guy Madison was not a great actor, that is clearly observed, however, he was quite good looking. MANY people make mistakes in choosing a mate and pay dearly for that bad choice. Why should Guy Maidson be any different? No story here, can we all move on?

He was indeed a very very handsome man by his face alone. But he did need more physical volume, his physique was too slim, too thin, too lean. Some muscles would help to make the picture complete.

@gb5663

5 ай бұрын

He looks great to me

Madison's

Peipel think you re gay if you r etoo pretty in that ear and not here to ask I think

He was clearly gay...no doubt about it. He married women who loved his looks and agreed to him with men. So obvious. 😮

He was gay , Bummer 😢

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

Whoa! He likely was a bi-guy, Rachel. NEVER give up hope . . . unless 'confirmed' ! 🙂 Cheers!

@cynthianolder3557

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmiller4184 Whoa-he might not have been either! I doubt of Henry Wilson's clients were all guy

@jamesmiller4184

Жыл бұрын

@@cynthianolder3557 That 'gold standard' of knowing -- "knowledge certain and true" -- i.e. that to which we are allowed to attest in courts under oath, is a mighty rare thing to possess these days, by comparison to what most accept as that but which ultimately is insubstantiable. So, by that measure we're all fairly limited as to what can be believed and mostly better as not. But, then again we've lots of circumstantial 'smoke' coming from the Hollywood people, their Legend and Lore. Who can KNOW really much of anything, now that most all who had witnessed and heard that were there, have now passed away? We'll believe what we desire-to, accepting that as a 'real thing.' Pitiable and limiting, tho comforting to an extent I suppose.

@MrCrowebobby

Жыл бұрын

@@cynthianolder3557 An awful lot of straight guys would trade a bit of homo sex for a movie career then . . . and now.

“Guy M.” in Pig Latin is “I am gay.”

Never heard of him 🤷‍♀️

I'm not trying to be funny but I met a lot of guys that drop-dead handsome but they they're very very small down below you know what I mean they can get a woman but most of the time can't keep them we want to the intimate but shame to take their clothes off in fear of that you are going to make fun and laugh at them go around and tell everybody the size they are below I'm telling you what I know I'm not saying about him I don't know him I just tell you what I experienced

@angelbabysqueaky3985

Жыл бұрын

That's what Henry said about Guy. Henry got a breadstick ,broke it in half to show others about Guy's punishment.

@aimeekubik8803

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Lots of men are small. They cannot get far with women. It's sad. Guys have, like women, no guarantee of a good Life. Your mother, if you were BLESSED with one, is the only person who will truly love you.

@tomvalveede6808

Жыл бұрын

A D Mitchell And unattractive Men are Usually Well Hung! That's their Bait. Cute/Handsome Faces don't need bait!

@Jimmy-zb7fw

2 ай бұрын

They call Montgomery Cliff tiny princess for that same reason. Like they say, you can’t have everything.