What do you think? Would Indy win? Or Formula 1?

@n3ilpentony979

3 жыл бұрын

The fia need to change the rules...cuz look they are trying to implement the tech in road cars too But let's keep road cars in their place and F1 in its place where it belongs (Extremely quick)

@JoJoDo

3 жыл бұрын

Is this a reupload?

@xSniper1982

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoJoDo I was thinking the same thing, I swear I already saw this content in a previous upload.

@sdcraig

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, a re-upload. A few videos got taken down, presumably for copyright infringement.

@JoJoDo

3 жыл бұрын

@@sdcraig i cant remember some shots

"Ovals are incredibly tricky to get right", that's because they only turn left 😂

@ericbarnes6130

2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to Alonso.

@borutgoli840

2 жыл бұрын

or right depends which way you go 😁😁

@tchevrier

2 жыл бұрын

that was hilarious.

@backcountryme

2 жыл бұрын

@Mabel With no power steering.

@pedroferreira3540

2 жыл бұрын

@Mabel no one said it was easy lol, why are you so salty? 🤦🏻‍♂️

Well, I say it again, maybe Red Bull should test it as they love their marketing! Great vid btw

@liambermoy2688

3 жыл бұрын

But they don’t have an indycar sponsor right? Maybe Mclaren should do it?

@mrbungle3310

3 жыл бұрын

Or Mclaren,they have both chategories

@matthew-jy5jp

3 жыл бұрын

Why ? So they can be over rated in two different Motorsports ?

@wowthatsalottabees

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthew-jy5jp ok man no need to be salty

@TheTotallyRealXiJinping

3 жыл бұрын

That’ll go about as well as their stint in NASCAR.

I think the top speed issue could be solved, by some modifications to the airodynamics and gearbox. But I have doubts that the engines could survive 800 km of running full throttle almost permanently.

@piaskowski590

Жыл бұрын

You can tune down the engine and restrict the max RPM. Indy car is nowhere near the power F1 car generates.

@petebeatminister

Жыл бұрын

@@piaskowski590 I dont know what they use today, but Indycars had also 800 bhp. Reducing RPM in a F1 engine will also reduce its power a lot, and then its probably not fast enough anymore. F1 engines are just not designed to run full throttle for a long time. Even at some F1 tracks with long straights they are struggling with overheating. A large oval, where you can basically floor it the entire race, would be deadly for them I guess. But for a few laps they can reach the Indycar speed averages.

@piaskowski590

Жыл бұрын

@@petebeatminister F1 has 1000+hp and engine can be tuned to replace most of the power to different RPM. F1 have also very low torque and all the power comes very late. With proper tuning and aero pack, F1 wouldnt even need to go full throttle on oval to outrun IndyCar. Its just budget and technology difference.

@orianlhyretail9878

Жыл бұрын

@@piaskowski590 It's not just the engine. The whole suspension would have to be modified to handle the high speed turns. Higher grip.

@Kylora2112

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, American series are designed for 300 (for circuits and short ovals) to 500 (speedways) miles, while F1 is only going 200. Three different series going for 3 different things, and all great series :) You'd have to severely restrict an F1 or Indy car to safely go around a track like Talladega (2.67 mile tri-oval with 33º banked corners). Not because the cars couldn't handle it, but because the *drivers* would black out from taking the corners at 250+ MPH. I'd love to see F1 or Indy at Bristol, though =D (half-mile oval, 36º banked corners).

I remember when Alonso raced at Indy, Daniel Riccardo was asked if he would ever do it, and his answer surprised me. He said, "ahh maybe Daytona one day, but Indy scares me."

@feastmode7931

Жыл бұрын

this sorta proves that people who talk trash about oval racing just don't have the imagination or insight to understand how thrilling it is, for fans and for drivers. it is an all-out brawl at hyperspeed. the stakes are insane. you need nerves of steel and immense reaction time. much respect to Ricciardo for his honest reply lol

@kg0173

Жыл бұрын

@@feastmode7931 Daytona in and IndyCar would be scarier. The track is bumpier. Indy has the smoothest surface in the world.

@feastmode7931

Жыл бұрын

@@kg0173 -- good point. the banking + speed there in open-wheel cars is quite insane.

@gogreen_0

10 ай бұрын

​​@@feastmode7931stakes are insane? Since when did turning left for 200 laps become insane? lol

@feastmode7931

10 ай бұрын

@@gogreen_0 -- "tUrNiNg LeFt" yeah man, driving 200 mph inches away from your competitors on a track that's banked steeper than a black-diamond ski slope... totally low stakes it's a sport where one bad step of the gas pedal could cause a fatal crash, but yeah, tell me more about how it's low stakes!

A quick summation of this video. An F1 car could compete at Indy if it was modded to be an Indycar.

@gerhardaryawardana72

3 жыл бұрын

An F1 car could compete/beat Indycars at Indy if it was tuned to fit the oval speedway it's going to race in. FTFY. It will still not be an Indycar since it would still not use the aero tunnel and several other tricks that Indycars have that are illegal in current F1 regs, on top of using a different chassis, PU, etc. entirely.

@backcountryme

3 жыл бұрын

@@gerhardaryawardana72 the video even said that the F1 car would need different suspension. So the F1 car would need a complete different design. Like I said, if the F1 car was modded to be an Indy car.

@Ceece20

3 жыл бұрын

@@backcountryme you would also want to get rid of the entire hybrid package. It’s basically dead weight and would result in Indy cars having a distinct horsepower advantage.

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

@@backcountryme yeah but F1 can go way above the indycar speccs.

@gregoryhopkins2489

3 жыл бұрын

To make things even Give some extra buffed horses to the Indy car

You missed an important point here: F1 engines are NOT designed to run on an oval. You would need special lubrication systems to deal with the asymmetric loading. Just ask Ilmor - when F1 returned to the Indy road circuit in 2000, Hakkinens engine failed due to those unique stresses on the banked part of the circuit.

@WillowCreative

Жыл бұрын

Actually sometimes f1 teams create special assymetrical cars for certain biased circuits (such as asymmetrical cooling and chassis aerodynamic shapes)

@jeffrielly

Жыл бұрын

"Returned to the indianapolis road circuit"????? That was the first time they ran on that track!

@ttt69420

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think the loads are much different. The banking relieves a lot of lateral g’s and no one else seemed to have an issue with it. I’d take who or what teams blame for failure with a grain of salt.

@Apple_Beshy

10 ай бұрын

f1 will beat indycar easily on a normal track, f1 is design to perfection when cornering, and there's already f1 vs indycar in official race and every f1 won 1.6 secs ahead

@kevingill648

10 ай бұрын

Exactly!

Both types of cars are gorgeous machines that are designed for two different types of tracks. And the speed they both can go is astounding! It is great to hear how and why each are designed. Fascinating.

The fun thing about watching Indy car is that the person that starts in first doesn't always win.

This is either a re-upload or I'm having the biggest dejavu of my life.

@x3MrV

3 жыл бұрын

same here

@toptextbottomtext3062

3 жыл бұрын

DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE HIGHER ON THE STREET AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GO CALLING YOU AND THE SEARCH IS A MYSTERY STANDING ON MY FEET IT'S SO HARD WHEN I TRY TO BE ME WOOOOOOAH

@mclarenjohnf1

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto

@CydonianErazed

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@piccoloatburgerking

3 жыл бұрын

Oh thank fuck i'm not the only one! As i was watching this i kept getting this uneasy deja vu feeling like i've heard and seen all these things before in exactly that order in this very channel. This is most likely a re-upload with a different title. The previous one i think was called something like "How fast f1 would be at an oval" or something like that.

Hamilton driving an Indy car: "My tires are gone"

@BigMattXXL

3 жыл бұрын

*Hamilton takes the lead a lap later

@Kyle86910

3 жыл бұрын

Hamilton in indycar -" These drivers are too quick, Make a political statement so they feel bad and let me catch up"

@Blafard666

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kyle86910 The joke being Indy car drivers being "too quick" XD

@daffyduck3003

3 жыл бұрын

Hamilton: Bono my tires are dead! Bono: Stay out. stay out Hamilton: Ive used these tires for 20 laps. Why you keeping them on? Bono: Were gonna check. Bono after the finish line: GET IN THERE LEWIS

@manojlds

3 жыл бұрын

My right (turns) are gone.

This is amazing. Great job. I love IndyCar and F1 , both these series are awesome.

Great vid. I’ve always wondered how this would go. You’ve provided a fairly comprehensive presentation. Thanks!

Those iPad drawing segments were actually impressive. Typically the whole segment is animated together including the hand to look like someone is drawing in realtime, but it's all part of the animation. The drawing segments in this video all seem authentic. Which if so, wow. That's a commendable amount of effort. 🙇‍♀️

@High_Caliber

3 жыл бұрын

Somebody has some graphic talent at Driver61 that's for sure :)

@baksatibi

3 жыл бұрын

They are. They use the Concepts app.

@zakpodo

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely real Based on things like reflections, shadows and glares.

F1 at Indianapolis brings up bad memories. As a kid, I remember trying to watch that race with my Dad and it turned into a 6 car sham of a race.

@NneonNTJ

3 жыл бұрын

So it wasn't F1, so what was it instead?

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

well, better only 6 cars than more accidents

@matthiasice

3 жыл бұрын

@@Markus-zb5zd I agree, but the FIA's stubbornness about adding a chicane to slow cars down and the way they handled it was just a mess. It sucked to watch and I can't imagine what it was like to be there watching it in person having spent your hard earned money to be there

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

​@@matthiasice yeah but I don't blame the FIA raceday managment there,... you can't just change parts of the tracks without going through a lengthy reevalution process. I think the fact that michelin did not have the chance to test anything on the resurfaced track was the biggest problem,... once raceday was there,... there were no good options.

@matthiasice

3 жыл бұрын

@@Markus-zb5zd yeah, I get that. That was their argument at the time too. Either way, it was a debacle and was not a good look for F1

Wasn’t expecting much but you did a nice job on the video. I am the Crew Chief for the current Indianapolis 500 all time track record holder. (Luyendyk 1996 239.26 mph unofficial, 237.498 mph official) The record has stood now for 27 years. One of the things that is not talked about is the experience at running at this track. No formula 1 team has the experience to “just” make it happen. Our track records were a compilation between myself and my engineer of 36 years of experience at the Indy 500. We developed some “secret stuff” over many years, and it all came together that day of qualifying. It would be very hard for any Formula 1 engineers to make any car go fast at Indy without the experience. And a quick note, maybe not 300mph, but on our 239 mph lap, a Little know fact is we broke 250 miles per hour on that lap going into turn 3 on the PI data…..250.216 to be exact. Won’t see that for a while again.

@paulwebsterjr1280

Жыл бұрын

Here to say r.i.p your teams record in practice lol. Good luck this year I'll be in turn 3 with the peasants. First time coming ever!

@lewisbenston5362

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this is very interesting and insightful.

@richardtree6645

Жыл бұрын

You mean to tell me that an f1 team that has to take time to design, develop, test and produce a car suited to a particular driver, then race that car with differing set ups for 69 differing configurations of track design with differing weather conditions all over the world. Wouldn't be able to figure out how to make a car go fast around a circle for 500 laps, is that what you are saying here?

@indyrpm4951

Жыл бұрын

@@richardtree6645 I’m not saying there isn’t a lot of brilliant engineers in F1, but they only do one thing…road courses. They use a basic setup that repeats at each track. An oval setup is a completely different monster. It takes time to develop and learn as many things do not behave as engineering would suggest because the race car setup starts so out of balance from the start. We did many road courses in Indycar and they were pretty easy setups. (My cars have won 7 road courses) Indy is a complete different monster. If you want a reference point, look at Porches indycar in 1990, they came to Indy with a budget three times bigger then Penske, more brilliant design and development engineers then the series had ever seen in one place, and they qualified 2 cars at 10th and 21st, finishing 18th and 23rd. They also though it was easy to come in and dominate. They quit Indycar after that.

@plsdonttttt

Жыл бұрын

does the name walter röhrl and pikes peak ring a bell? I bet a F1 team would indeed just make it happen. on the other hand you americans are good at going straight and fast

Amazing video. Love how you discuss how complicated an oval race can be. To me being a fan of Motorsport. Each one takes a special kind of driver and crew to master. Makes having a variety of Motorsport to watch fun.

@tomm.6265

Жыл бұрын

Thats why Mario Andretti is the greatest driver ever it didn't matter if it was Formula One, Indy or Daytona in stock cars the only man to every win in all 3 he was a favorite to in any race he was in on any circuit

@patrickgriffitt6551

10 күн бұрын

Jimmy Clark was pretty good also. And Dan Gurney.

I swear I’ve seen this before

@harbushy

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe a re- upload

@Twobarpsi

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@jefflinjesuthas6103

3 жыл бұрын

It's a re-upload because of copyright in the original

@tis_ace

3 жыл бұрын

Thank god because i thought i lost it

@Cygnus82

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I also saw a glitch in the Matrix. Glad it wasn't just me.

I’ve had the pleasure of attending both F1 and INDYCAR races starting in the late 70’s. I enjoy both series for the differences. One for the unbelievable technology the other for the competitiveness. Too many talented drivers are never able to shine in F1 given the lack of competitive drives available. INDYCAR addresses that issue and it shows. Driver’s may start on the front row one week and the next be twelfth on the grid. I enjoy both series

That was a fun, theoretical analysis. On the point of the formula one tires being larger and I have to say that it it's not that simple. They couldn't use the tires that they normally do because they wouldn't last on the oval. Remember when they ran the F1 Grand Prix on half of the oval and the tires blew up? So to run an F1 car there we would need different tires, maybe the same ones that Indie cars use.

It’s old news now but I still shake my head in amazement every time I’m reminded of the fact that the current generation of F1 engines can wring over 1000hp from a 1.6L engine. Just amazing.

@Xaluber

2 жыл бұрын

In the ‘80s F1 cars were making 1200+ hp from 1.5L engines with no hybrid nonsense.

@edgardoestares9891

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xaluber Controlled explosion. Honda even said that they were getting closer to getting 1 hp per cc. Those engines wouldn't stand a chance to todays technology though. Cars are faster and are so reliable. They hardly breakdown.

@adamcichon6957

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xaluber yeah... but they ware a "one stint engines" you know ;) at the time they mount a qualification grade tyres and engine and the end of quali session that engine was all gone, toasted...

Loved the detail your went into! I knew there was differences but never knew there was so many or how some were so drastically different. Thanks for doing this!

As a former indycar mechanic, great job on the video!

What people who only watch F1 don't seem to realize is that oval racing is about racing other drivers rather than racing a perfect racing line. Your line changes every single lap when you're surrounded by half a dozen other drivers. It still takes an immense amount of skill

@Lucalegenda

Жыл бұрын

Imagine doing that in a real circuit like an f1 driver...

@drumline17

Жыл бұрын

@@Lucalegenda Plenty of open wheel drivers have switched to nascar and haven't been anything special, I don't have to imagine anything

@Lucalegenda

Жыл бұрын

@@drumline17 In their prime? LoL

Weird, didn't I watch this video already? Was it re-published? It's a great video, totally happy to watch it again. :)

@Nascimbeni

3 жыл бұрын

Same here... I was with some Deja Vu feeling... There were a video last week regarding F1 Tires also, that I'm pretty sure I have seen before here... but for some reason the videos are gone

@ItMeansSun

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure this is addressed in the description or not but I assume there's a correction that was made? Can't figure out what it is though

@yoshibald8958

3 жыл бұрын

thought the same i searched for the vid but couldn’t find it I think it’s reuploaded or som

@Ibyuuprofin

3 жыл бұрын

it was republished bc f1 took it down

@amklux1426

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have seen this video before.

There was a time when the Indianapolis 500 WAS COUNTED as a Formula I race - but very few actual Formula I cars ever made the trip over from Europe. Reference Jimmy Clarke, and the "Race of Two Worlds" as a few of the cases of F1 cars and drivers competing vs Indy Cars. Also, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway was the host for the US Grand Prix for a few years, though they build an add-on to the track to do so - it wasn't the standard Indy semi-oval track.

Not sure what the Dallara runs now, but the Reynard and the Lola days we had adjustable diff pressure from the cockpit, roll bars etc adjustable from the cockpit (Lola had hydraulic ARB), the wings also had the quick turn adjusters that F1 copied after a few years. This was all to be able to keep the car stable as the fuel load changed (Methanol = uses twice as much as petroleum) and the tyre wear (brutal on say Daytona or at the Brickyard. As for the suspension, they have a separate set for Long Ovals, Short Ovals and Road Course.

I did the HVAC at Ilmor engineering for 6 years. Listening to Indy engines on their dynos all day was great.

I really like the drawing descriptors. I actually didn't really know the differences between indy and F1, and never thought to look it up. As always, your content is fantastic.

@jimpawloski3069

2 жыл бұрын

I liked you explanation of the difference between F1 and Indy cars. Remember that back in the early 1960’s, Lotus worked with Ford Motor to develop the rear engine race car.

Keep in mind that a F1 car at Indy will have less than half the wing surfaces it needs for road courses, as it won't need to turn so tight and at Indy speeds much smaller wings will produce the necessary downforce. The result is a F1 car much faster in a straightaway than it is even with DRS.

@masonwilliamson5388

2 жыл бұрын

yes, but the engine would blow up quite quickly. it’s not used to being redlined for 45 minutes straight

@brucemackenzie4952

Жыл бұрын

F1 would engineer a car that would leave an Indycar in the dust. Apples and oranges. Not taking anything away from Indycars but not in the same league as an F1 car.

@TheSnivilous

Жыл бұрын

@@brucemackenzie4952 that's the stupidest comment I've read. "F1 would engineer a car", so you're admitting that a current F1 can't compete with an Indy car on an oval. They're each best at what they do, I don't know why you have to suck off F1 so much.

@WebShaman01

Жыл бұрын

@@brucemackenzie4952 "Would engineer..." Yadda yadda yadda. No, you get F1 as it is right now vs the IndyCar. That's it.

@caelestigladii

Жыл бұрын

@@WebShaman01 F1 as it is right now adjusts everything according to track. So…

i think the big difference at the end is as good as an f1 car can be at indy car it takes a lot more money to be that good compared to the regular indycars

@MrHoliday2usir

23 күн бұрын

Exactly, imagine being able to purchase all queens in a chess game.

That was fantastic! Love your videos. Keep up the great work.

They limit the top speed of Indycars to protect the tyres. The faster a wheel/tyre is spun the more it wants to tear itself apart. Mario Andretti once said to run at 260+ would substantially increase the risk of driver fatality.

@cdjhyoung

2 жыл бұрын

Mario's statement was not limited to tire wear. There is also the more important fact that those levels of increased speed increase the dynamics of what an error and resulting impact with the wall will do to destroying the car, and driver. As speeds increase, the forces involved increase by the square value of those increases, not a mere linear increase. So a 30 mph increase in speed that is a 13% increase translates to a 169% increase of force when contacting any stationary object.

@lucasng4712

2 жыл бұрын

​@@cdjhyoung Not how percentages works. Not how force works. It translates to about 27% increase in energy

@cdjhyoung

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucasng4712 The trouble with doing math calculation in your head as you are also typing. You are, of course, correct.

F1 cars are just on another level, but Indy is still insane

Driver61 answering the questions we didn't know needed asking! Great video again.

This is a sneaky-excellent video, my goodness: It's not just the content, which is gob-smacking, but also the construction of the narrative. Really tight, really well crafted. When it was over I was surprised that it only ran nine minutes but that's a compliment -- seemed impossible that I could have smoothly gotten this much technical information out of an understandable video in that amount of time. Bravo.

@yhsudjdcyv6929

Жыл бұрын

He got the point wrong

F1 did go to the Indy 500. From 1950-1960 the Indy 500 was part of the World Driver's Championship (old name for Formula 1 World Championship).

@backcountryme

3 жыл бұрын

Back then the F1 cars were too slow to be competitive against the Indy cars at the time. A match race was staged at Monza back then, and the Indy Roadsters that came over absolutely destroyed the F1 cars of the time.

@goodshipkaraboudjan

Ай бұрын

Ferrari built and tested a car for a potential Indy 500 run in the 80s (or early 90s, can't remember) but abandoned the idea after testing.

FWIW, I'm a longtime Indy resident & racing fan. In 2004, I ended up working as a flagger (marshal) for that year's US GP on the Indy road course. In Friday practice, Schumacher was hitting 250+ mph down the front straight. I know a lot has changed since then in both F1 & Indycar, but thought the info might be of interest to some.

@indyguy5570

2 жыл бұрын

That is odd since the fastest recorded F1 top speed on a racetrack is 231.4 mph, there are some reports Bottas hit 234 in 2016 but that has not been confirmed. I also live in Indy and right next to the track and have driven stock cars at full speed (well 185 speed limited being honest) around the track and it is crazy knowing Indy and F1 cars are running 40 to 50 mph faster with an open cockpit. F1 cars are just not designed to run high top speeds with the downforce they require to handle the sharp turns and accelerate like they do. Besides, F1 would have to have an engine that could last at those revs for 3 hours or more, not just 45 minutes and 60 or 70 laps. Indy engines are designed to do just that so us comparing them without modding them (which then no longer makes them an F1 or Indy car) is a moot ~ fixed for the grammer police) point.

@amjan

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, nonsense. You confused mph with kph.

@F8Tributo

2 жыл бұрын

@@indyguy5570 A "moot" point.

@OhOhDaniel

2 жыл бұрын

That’s just simply not true though…

@williamskrainski8407

2 жыл бұрын

BULLSHIT

A lot of people don’t know that in the 50s the Indy 500 was on the f1 circut

Great presentation! Inforative and really well done!! 👍🏻😃

Idk if you read comments but I’ve been loving the content even more recently. Keep up the good work!

I think the engines would just overheat

@AndyFromBeaverton

3 жыл бұрын

Good point. Having an engine running at top rpm's for 3 hours straight needs special designs.

@ItMeansSun

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't even think of that, good point

@UncleKennysPlace

3 жыл бұрын

I don't. They'd make minor adjustments. Heck, the engines are at full chat 80% of the time anyway.

@alfarosiarsita

3 жыл бұрын

Lower rpm, higher gear ratio will fix that

@beemrmem3

3 жыл бұрын

No, they would have so much air at the those speeds to cool the engines, it would be easier to cool with a few adjustments

What a fantastic and detailed video!!! Nice work, mate

Fernando compared the two, he said; "They are two different sports, two different driving techniques" He went on to say. "Driving a Formula one, you brake as late as possible, turn the car and go in the exit with reasonable speed on the tires to have a good exit. And Indy car is just (shaking head, rolling his eyes with a big smile.) Is just like driving a skateboard in the sun, you know....always, you know.....driving on an uncomfortable limit...at those speeds......like I said, the first laps, it's a bit of a shock...You try to understand the car, the needs of the car.....then it's how brave you are. Because at those speeds, to have the confidence in the track and the car, it's quite different than what we're used to in Formula one."

A good video done fairly & accurately. We'll all on the same team: Indy, F-1, IMSA, NASCAR, Saturday night track, ...

I like Formula 1 for its ability to throw money at a problem and figure it out, however I like that IndyCar make drivers work harder on basically the same machines. Apples to oranges, but its all racing, and that why we love it.

@gogreen_0

10 ай бұрын

They work harder? But there's no right turns.. there's no tight corners... in fact they only turn left 😭

@FastFerrari82

10 ай бұрын

@gogreen_0 You're thinking of NASCAR. I said IndyCar. Look it up. They race on circuits and ovals.

@damianparker4097

2 ай бұрын

@@FastFerrari82 "You're thinking of NASCAR. I said IndyCar. Look it up. They race on circuits and ovals." So does NASCAR. Anyway, people like @gogreen_0 who think "only turn left" means it's not a skillful endeavor are idiots. EVERYONE at the top of a major racing series works hard--especially series that aren't endurance races but have LONG races nonetheless.

Holy shit, I just now realized that when I was at the Indy 500 from 200-2010 I saw F1 drivers in person and had no idea! As a new fan to F1 I’m just now learning all the lesser known drivers but I remember hearing the name Schumacher when I was younger in the grand stands. Now I know that I saw the king himself race. Just wish I knew it at the time

At 5:46 it's not the steering offset, it's due to the tire stagger - for superspeedways Indycars have right-side tires larger in diameter than left-side tires. If the pilot will keep the steering wheel straight, the car will intend to turn left.

@ryans756

Жыл бұрын

Pilot? Indy cars can fly?!

@falinestixiaolong9691

Жыл бұрын

@@ryans756 "Pilot" = "race driver" in many european languages. Hell , it's even used for mountain bikers.

@ryans756

Жыл бұрын

@@falinestixiaolong9691 Don't give me that shit.

You have to remember that an F1 car would probably need to have its monocoque and crash structures beefed-up, which would add weight. After studying various accidents over the last few years, like the ones suffered by James Hinchcliffe and Sebastien Bourdais at Indy, additional protection has been added to the cockpit sides to protect the drivers (Hinch was impaled through the thigh by his own suspension and nearly bled out). This adds a decent amount of weight in addition to the full windscreen. Without that, I'm not sure you'd find many F1 drivers who would want to trim out an F1 car and run it around Indy during qualy.

@vitoorsini1

2 жыл бұрын

best comment so far, this cars are si different in their structure that ia almost impossible predict. I respect both series as they are the pinnacle of motorracing as a whole.

@davidritter8267

2 жыл бұрын

There are a handful of ex-formula-1 drivers in the series currently. Romain Grosjean just signed with Andretti for next season

@Ken-ss1en

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidritter8267 I'm convinced that Grosjean is either malicious or drives drunk!

@yeoldeyoungin9745

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidritter8267 Grossjean is building quite the reputation of ticking other Indy drivers off with his crashes…he had the same issue in F1 it seems

@yeoldeyoungin9745

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidritter8267 There ARE a handful of ex-F1 drivers but statistically it has NOT given them an edge over Indy-raised colleagues. An F1 fan who doesn’t understand Indy may point out ‘driver x won these races, you see F1 drivers dominate everywhere they go!’ And I’m sure that this ignorance makes them quite happy, but followers of Indy know better and one of the main differences between the series is that you NEVER KNOW who will be on the podium each and every race whereas it’s a foregone conclusion that unless something happens, the top 3 are fairly predictable in differing orders.

Thanks, that was a great analysis and very educational as well!

This was a terrific analysis. thank you.

I think there is a bit more freedom of aero set up in Indycar now with teams running different elements and such. Indycar is criminally underrated. Followed F1 for 30 years and I have to say - Indycar is the most entertaining racing on earth.

I'm an F1 fan who has never watched Indycars, but those Indycar races look wild and exciting as hell.

@JacobStevens13

2 жыл бұрын

It has it's moments but they could make the series much more appealing. Only the diehards of the diehard race fans i know pay attention to it at all....however the best pure racing that i have probably ever seen in my life was the 2015 MavTv 500 from California, that race from start to finish is balls to the walls.

@mamavswild

2 жыл бұрын

@@JacobStevens13 That’s not true I know tons of people that follow the series , and only a few that could be called ‘diehard’. I loosely follow along and I have to say I’ve been enthralled every time I’ve watch a race, although mostly I stick to F1 (for now, that could be changing as Indy pricks my attention)

To be clear: IndyCar aero does offer a variety of wickers and wing extensions that teams can use to tune setups so there is some variability in aero configurations from car to car.

I like both series, in fact flying to Montréal on Friday June 7th, 2024 for the F1 race with my daughter then watching Indycar June 24th at Laguna Seca, 2024! Thanks for the video!

In the sixty's Lotus came to the Indy 500 with basically their F1 car and won, even with rear engines. It changed Indy car for ever.

@d.e.b.b5788

3 ай бұрын

ANd then the Turbine 'Silent Sam', then Colin Chapman got together with Andy Granatelli and made the trio of lotus 56 turbines. They ALMOST won but for a mechanical failure. But that alone, caused Indy to ban them and the 4WD setup they used.

The better question would be "Could an F1 team succeed on a Indy Car teams budget?"........lol.

@dougball328

2 жыл бұрын

They couldn't even get out of their own garage on an IRL budget.

@fighterck6241

2 жыл бұрын

McLaren is literally in Indycar right now.

@NewbombTurk.

2 жыл бұрын

@@fighterck6241 I didn't say operate in Indy Car, on a Indy Car budget. Have the F1 teams, in F1, operate on a Indy Car budget. A lot of the cost reduction is in the spec chassis and engines. It might be McLaren, but they are bound by the same rules as the rest of the teams.

@MPal24

2 жыл бұрын

@@NewbombTurk. Well, if everyone in F1 was in the same boat, then yes, definitely. Obviously, one F1 team couldn't survive on an IndyCar budget if another was still spending 100s of millions. As was said, the principal cost reduction is from Indy being a spec series. I'd be interested to know if IndyCar budgets would ever get as high as F1 if it had the same build your own chassis and build/source your own engine rule.

@kirtanmehta4274

2 жыл бұрын

yes it can. F1 teams have best engineers working on the cars for years. Also, they update car regulations and designs every 2-3 years.

I appreciate that you also mentioned the speed in metric system

@syndicategaming1668

3 жыл бұрын

I wish everyone used the metric system. It’s much better

@frankpienkosky5688

2 жыл бұрын

@@syndicategaming1668 no argument there...yet it's never caught in over here....

On the road courses, the F1 cars would be at the front, on ovals, Indy Cars would be at the front.

This was top notch presentation. Thanks. Keep rollin.

Next year ground effect will finally be making a return to F1 in some way at least.

Two different open wheel flavors.... I likes em both👍🏻🏁

id like to see a no rules "when it comes to the car" year where the developers can do anything they want to get as fast as they can

Summarizing: Formula Indy: Best pilot wins! - Formula 1: Best car wins!

@cIappo896

2 жыл бұрын

Not correct. Raikkonen hardly had the best machines, but he often achieved some of the best results.

@russs7574

2 жыл бұрын

Naw, more like Indy: Best driver wins.....F1 Most money wins.

@cIappo896

2 жыл бұрын

@@russs7574 Yes, let's ignore that Iceman had some of the best results in some of the worst cars he drove.

@huubdams9786

2 жыл бұрын

Then How is it possible that Max Verstappen wins the 2021 F1 World Championship?

Would be great to see this reviewed again with the 2022 F1 spec!

Inside info makes for a more exciting race. Thanks!

Best video on this topic I have seen. Kudos.

Indy cars while ostensibly appearing similar to an F1, are really a different beast, as they have to be able to survive a reasonable 'friendly' punt into a superspeedway wall and live to get back to the pits - while if the same thing happened to an F1, it would end in shower of carbon fibre and titanium confetti

@LuisFernando-lj5tw

2 жыл бұрын

indy is like a clas 2 category of F1. they are like f1 cars from 90s. suspension jump a lot giving sensation of speed. make me remember airton sena. F1 run so smoth that seams they are going slow

@electricowl3034

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should watch f1 and see how much pressure the cars are under compared to Indy 500 cars. Not an argument just a friendly idea :)

@lucasng4712

2 жыл бұрын

@@electricowl3034 Indy cars while ostensibly appearing similar to an F1, are really a different beast, as they have to be able to survive a reasonable 'friendly' punt into a superspeedway wall and live to get back to the pits - while if the same thing happened to an F1, it would end in shower of carbon fibre and titanium confetti

@josebrown5961

2 жыл бұрын

Remember the one time Nigel Mansel won the F1 title and then came to the US and won the Indy Car title? Two different beasts and he tamed them BOTH. Then he got bored with Indycar (I assume) and went back to F1.

@yeoldeyoungin9745

2 жыл бұрын

@@josebrown5961 Well he is a champion after all…of motorsports as a whole…not just F1. Fernando is the same kind of animal and Seb has talked of racing the Indy500…I think he should take some Time off from that green tractor of his and go on a Motorsport vacation…come back to F1 sometime later refreshed…maybe with a Triple Crown on his head wouldn’t that he something. He’s talked of racing the 500 before AND LeMans

It would be pretty interesting to see one American F1 race on an oval track and how well the F1 cars teams could adapt to race on it.

@shadowmancy9183

2 жыл бұрын

Of all available tracks, Indy might be the best fit, due to the lower banking. Daytona or Talledega would be more fun to watch though.

@edwardking9359

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the drivers would get bored, doing four identical turns for 200 laps

@LeongGunners

Жыл бұрын

None of the front running team would willingly want this. The F1 cars are just not designed for the oval that it'd ruin their car's overall reliability significantly over the course of the season. If this is forced on the F1 cars, I believe what we'd see is a race of dialed down performances, and probably then people will say after the race that F1 cars are proven worse than Indycars.

@harveyknguyen

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardking9359 nah bc they'd have to figure out how to do pack racing without any contact since it's gonna be inevitable that there will be a big one

We’ve seen how hard it is to win at Indy, with McLaren’s struggles there.

@artistny0000

Жыл бұрын

Lotus did ok.

What a super exciting race!

However, the "ifs" must be allowed to the Indycars as well. Do you really believe that Honda could not dial up more power if restraints were lifted?

@jermyeder2262

2 жыл бұрын

right I mean take the power plant out of the f1 put it in the Indy. I agree fully

@yeoldeyoungin9745

2 жыл бұрын

He is British and clearly biased towards F1.

What I find most extraordinary is the enormous technical sophistication of these machines, using every possible advantage of physics and engineering to get milliseconds of improvements.

As someone who has experienced multiple Indy 500's from the pits and who has actually driven a car at speed around the track (admittedly not an Indy car, only a pace car) my comment would be to ask if an F1 car could actually >go Edit/Add: While not a consideration when only looking an automotive engineering, the Indianapolis 500 track itself is much more fan friendly. Many seats have the ability to see the whole track and that can be much more exciting for a fan rather than getting only a 2-3 second blur of a car as it passes by your seat in an F1 race.

"As is" an IndyCar would smoke an F1 car on an oval. The down force, hp, etc are not the issue, the issue is the set-up: weight jackers, steering mods, and left turn only camber settings; those things are massively important to lap times on any oval. This is before talking about the experience advantage the IndyCar guys would have on oval driving techniques.

You’re forgetting a major factor, indycar is purposely leaving performance on the table to make the the cars cheaper for the teams. They do this so the small teams have a shot (unlike F1) to add a whole lots of competitiveness to the races. The problem with teams like Ferrari, Red Bull, and Mercedes spending hundreds of millions of dollars is that the smaller teams without that kind of almost unlimited budget don’t have a shot an getting podium. So if indycar allowed more change they could adapt to be SO mush faster than they already are. You bring up the point of F1 being able to adapt to speedways and ovals if they bend the rules, so why not say the same about indycar bending the rules to adapt to road circuits?

@frankpienkosky5688

2 жыл бұрын

so F1 is a bit like baseball?

@russs7574

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankpienkosky5688 F1 is EXACTLY like baseball. Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes are just like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers. The only difference is that in baseball, every once in awhile, a team like the Royals or Rays or Indians (f*** that Cleveland Guardians "woke" bullshit) can get to the World Series, and from there, anything can happen. In F1, those smaller teams have no shot.

@ProfessorSteez

2 жыл бұрын

@@russs7574 took the words right out of my mouth. It’s literally “who has the biggest budget”, it’s entertaining to watch but in no way is it a “best driver always wins” sport.

@LuckyBird551

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I thought the same. The video seemed clearly biased to F1.

@porraambulante

2 жыл бұрын

Now in 2022 everyone got a budget of like 150 millions, imagine that to spend in crashes and development

Why do I feel like I’ve watched this before

@loopingbricks899

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh I just realized how similar this video is to WTF1’s video

@ClippedByGs

3 жыл бұрын

Yea same it seems so similar

@MaxKarch

3 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought 😂

@user-kf5cg6ln3l

3 жыл бұрын

F1 took it down

@loopingbricks899

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-kf5cg6ln3l ohhh really?

jeez this comparisons been made since the dawn of youtube and before

Talking about Aero tunnels, 8 months later, f1 cars are using them as well

You forgot the most important element of all: survivability. The chassis of an F1 car is not designed to deal with the enormous impacts of hitting the wall at Indy at 230+ mph.

@chaztitan6457

2 жыл бұрын

The impact isn't straight on at 230mph. F1 often can hit walla as worse angles than indicators, even at slower speeds the impacts are often worse

@theerarkh

2 жыл бұрын

Romain Grosjean called from Bahrain, asked to hold his beer

@jeffreytackett3922

2 жыл бұрын

I'd be curious what car could deal with a 230+ mph wall impact?

@losingmysanity1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreytackett3922 Sebastian Bordais Qualifying crash & James Hinchcliffe Practice crash

@zacharysmithingell5460

2 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely true.

Money buys speed, power & performance. F1 has more of it. If ovals were a part of F1, they'd be faster because first sentence.

@James-vj5hz

3 жыл бұрын

Go much faster and you just die. The IndyCars are capable of going much faster on the oval than they already do, just not safely.

@mindtricky

3 жыл бұрын

@@James-vj5hz F1 cars are also slowed down for safety.

@tadroid3858

3 жыл бұрын

@@James-vj5hz that's the exact thing people said, when they were breaking 200 mph.

@richardables6561

3 жыл бұрын

@@mindtricky that might be true but the biggest difference is that in f1 at virtually any track there is basically no danger of hitting fans. Its one thing to limit a car to save on engine life. Its another to limit a car because if you dont it can kill 30 people in the stands. In speedway racing there are fans basically at the edge of the racetrack. Indy cars are severely neutered to try and keep the cars from flying into the stands and killing a bunch of people. Which is why they have been running pretty much the same speeds for 30+ years now.

@I_Hate_Youtube_Handles

3 жыл бұрын

@@tadroid3858 33 cars going 230 mph, inches from each other is different than 33 cars going 180 mph, inches from each other. Lewis Hamilton said himself that he will never do the 500, said it was too dangerous. Romain Grosjean who currently races in Indy won't do oval races cause of the danger. Just look up videos of indycars crashing.

I am an IndyCar fan. I cannot imagine being an F1 fan, and knowing going into the season that there are only two or three cars that even have a chance of winning a championship. I can't imagine the technological aspect being so great that you know who has almost an unbeatable chance of winning the whole thing. Racing is much better when all the cars are nearly identical, and you rely on the skill and tactics of the driver. Plus, Indy cars don't cost tens of millions of dollars.

A Pre-Race Lap would be insane at INDY!

I appreciate how you give Indycar respect in the comparison. It's easy to just say F1 would dominnate.

@AAA310

2 жыл бұрын

@Josh Alfirenko they wouldnt fuk overrated f1

@MrDonsullivan

2 жыл бұрын

If the F1 car was rebuilt with a hundred million dollars they could compete. Okay, let's just take an F1 and run it. So how would that work?

It’s a bit like saying “would an Indy car beat an F1 car at Monaco?”. Even trimmed out for a street circuit it wouldn’t stand an earthly.

@mikeorgan1993

2 жыл бұрын

No Indy car would get close to an F1 car on a street circuit. In fact it wouldn't even get past qualifying as the rules state that the last qualifier must be no more than 107% of the fastest. In the comparison for the Circuit of the Americas the fastest Indi car was 108.6% and so would not be allowed to start the race. At Monaco where the sheer horsepower is so extreme for F1 cars the difference would be closer to 115%. However all of this is not comparing apples and apples its not even comparing apples with another fruit. The difference between F1 and Indy Car is like comparing a Premier League team to a University side, one is professional the other is an enthusiastic amateur. F1 is backed and supported by some of the biggest and technically advanced companies on earth. There is a reason why the big companies are not interested in IndyCar its armatures playing for fun; ad I am not being anti-American because if the big American companies got involved in it the balance would change.

@UNHchabo

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeorgan1993 Indycar was huge in the 80s and early 90s, but the organization had infighting and split into two series from 1996-2008, leading to a major decline for both series (Nascar's mega-popular era during this period didn't help either). After the 2008 reunification, it's taken time to regain momentum back into Indycar, but I think they've got it back, and are on the way up.

@juanvillalba2404

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeorgan1993 It would be better if you erase the nonsense that you have written because you only make a fool of yourself

@russs7574

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeorgan1993 Maybe not Anti-American, but you sure come off as a smug know-it-all.

@craigyirush3492

14 күн бұрын

@@mikeorgan1993yeah, Penske, just your average amateur race team lol.

It's like comparing cooking on open fire and induction plate...

so i am 31 seconds through the video and knowing that the Sponsors prize is a trip to the indy 500, i now know that the indy 500 car would beat the f1 car. thank you for that, no need to go through the rest of the video

@propapanda4557

Жыл бұрын

And u jumped the gun. F1 does beat indy and he says that

Re-upload?

I did an online indy500 and it was exhausting. Idk how these guys do it. I wasn’t even under allot of pressure because i was last cuz somebody did a Maldonado and went for a gap that wasn’t there.

Another thing overlooked here is the fragility of F1 Cars versus the robustness of IndyCars. There have been may accidents in IndyCar where the car or cars continued on, that would have retired an F1 car.

Indy used to be run-what-cha-brung, and they should sponsor a second 500 Classic Race per year as an exhibition. We could answer your question without speculation. Andy Granitelli with his turbine car had a lot to do with killing the old format, but I'd like to see it make a comeback as well.

I would love to see a long oval exhibition race between an F1 an Indycar and Nascar Cup car.

@troyandrade435

2 жыл бұрын

IndyCar would win, the stock car would get second, the F1 car wouldn't survive. It'd either run out of fuel or the engine would blow after holding redline for hours straight.

I think main limitation would be tires, Pirelli would have to develope a new tire with stiffer shoulders in order to support the g's generated, think that f1 car's could do 300 in corners, such as indycars, the g's generated could be as low as 4.5g, that is still kinda big for today's f1 cars, sustained for a lot of sections of the track, and with a very high steepness of the road load would increase, so we would have way more crashes and he could steal the scene in the US, as Americans love crashes. So, Liberty Media please bring f1 to an indy track, thank you

Arie Luyendyk’s “unofficial” 1996 practice lap at Indy (CART), of 239.260 mph is so well known, except to this person. He seem oblivious to this fact too "Big power was the norm for the CART IndyCar Series in the 1990s as more than 1000 horsepower was occasionally made by turbocharged V6 and V8 engines".

Got in game Indy 500, in Amiga 500, 401 Km/H (249,17 miles/ H). I was a master in balance and tires, the angle of the tires, etc...

This has been covered before by drivers who have raced both cars in their careers, F1 is roughly 30sec a lap quicker than indy car around a circuit course.

@EugVR6

2 жыл бұрын

@parallax3d Yep and just how far ahead the F1 will be. The F1 is a tech fest where as the Indy car is held back by the rules to keep the field even. F1 cars have much more acceleration, stopping power and massive advantage in corner speeds. In 2019, IndyCar raced at US Grand Prix venue the Circuit of the Americas, allowing for direct comparisons for the first time. Will Power took pole with a 1m46.017s lap, averaging 115mph. Almost nine months later at the US GP, Valtteri Bottas did it with a 1m32.029s, 14 seconds quicker and averaging 133.5mph.

@kiranjoseph6524

2 жыл бұрын

The gap is covered in the video.

You'd think he'd fix his error about Colton Herta posting the fastest lap ever if he was going to re-post this video... Arie is still faster.

@Bolt_theG35

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct. Arie Luyendyk hit 239 during a practice in 1996

@karter95

2 жыл бұрын

Colton Herta never hit an average lap of 237 in 2020. Marco Andretti set the fastest practice lap of just over 233 and the Pole Speed was just over 231. There has not been a lap over 235 since 1996

@byanymeansnecessary9329

2 жыл бұрын

Gil de ferren had a qually lap over 240 at either Michigan or Fontana, can't remember which.

This video is not intended for comparation between F1 and Indy. It just tells us the difference between those 2 as results of different goal and different environment

Sir Jack Brabham drove his underpowered Cooper Climax F1 car at Indy in 1961, qualified and came 9th! First time a mid engined car competed at Indy, didn't take long for front engined cars disappear off the grid....

I think it’s also worth pointing out that F1 cars get way better fuel economy and have larger fuel tanks, meaning if they were able to quickly refuel during the race then they could gain a large advantage. Obviously the obsolescence of the hybrid system would play a role but I can’t imagine it would change the advantage.

@verticalpenguin3495

2 жыл бұрын

Even without electric motor, the mechanical engine is about 100hp more powerful than the indycar engines

@danielhenderson8316

Жыл бұрын

@@verticalpenguin3495 It would still get nerfed if they were required to run the same boost pressures. The Indy V6 makes 700 ish HP at full road course boost, but get restricted on oval tracks to 550-625 hp depending on super speedway or short oval.