I'm from the states,New York. Been following you since the beginning. Love your videos. Your skills have developed so much.i learned so much from you.keep up the good work

@DudeStuff

10 ай бұрын

Awesome! Thank you! 😊

My AWD ebike build I have slowed the ramp up speed on the front motor to keep it from spinning out, resulting in faster acceleration.

I have a similar set up but with a smaller hub using astandard gravel bike fork - I see you're using a downhill fork which may be the reason its spinning. Your weight is distributed in the back because of the high position your fork forces you in. My Gravel bike fork forces me to be on top of the handlebars, putting weight down the front so mine doesn't spin as much.

@DudeStuff

10 ай бұрын

These are the forks I used www.amazon.co.uk/ZTZ-Mountain-Travel-Aluminum-Alloy-Material/dp/B08PV49KKJ?ref_=ast_sto_dp

@140theguy

10 ай бұрын

This is absolutely right. A friend of mine runs a size smaller Tire up front to help with this. 29 in the back 26 in the front.

@josephpeters2367

10 ай бұрын

​@DudeStuff it says the forks are unavailable

This video has done me up... I've been eyeing up my 1st build, and I came across your channel a couple of days back. Excellent stuff, and you're only up the road from me testing your bits, which only reinforces why I should listen and learn, because i use the same places. So I've seen this, and now my 1st build has turned into a 3000W dual motor... Hopefully, it'll do 15mph... 😉

Fun 2WD bike. I build a lot of them and use independent throttles so keeping the front tire from scratching is as easy as not using the front throttle till I'm cruising fast enough to maintain traction

I’m currently building a 2000w dual motor mtn bike, pretty much the exact same thing as you built in this video. This was extremely helpful and answered every question I had, thanks

About 5 years ago I bought a Cyclamatic PowerPlus 250watt rear hub motor e-bike - Even back then I was impressed (and all my mates) with how much fun that bike was... I miss having an ebike and Im seriously thinking about building one just like the one in this vid... Im going to look into it all a lot more before I start doing anything, but wow I was seriously impressed with the dual hub driven motor set-up, looks like a tonne of fun does this bike. Cheers! From West Yorks, UK

That's utterly ridiculous and totally irresponsible behaviour, and needless to say really dangerous. I love it 😂

@johnerbudman123

10 ай бұрын

Haha I want it

@mickyb.8014

10 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly, oh the fun!!!

@xmathmanx

8 ай бұрын

Will you love it when it kills a family tho? Or will you tell yourself you had no idea that doing dangerous stuff on a public road can kill people?

@yobrofish702

7 ай бұрын

i dont think a push bike with an electric motor will kill an entire family@@xmathmanx

@xmathmanx

7 ай бұрын

@@yobrofish702 if you don't take reasonable care on the road you are risking lives, maybe looking cool is worth that tho, if you're enough of a narcissist

Epic!! Loved this one Steve ☺️

What a great monster of a bike with some serious power I love it.

It’s just as good as I thought it would be, I’d love this bike

Awesome creation, looks like the answer to more torque.

When you do this set the front wheel on the controller to soft start if you can or put it 2 levels lower than the rear wheel, it will improve stability by keeping a 60/40 or so ratio back to front torque when you speed up from a stand still in soft ground. A lower max starting power will prevent the front from trying to outrace the bike since the front is much lighter than the back. Also it's not the controller that limits the max speed when going fast like that down hill, that's actually the screen firmware cutting acceleration when it detects the max speed, you can mess with the wheel size and get a higher speed, just put the wheel size smaller like 20" or something, be sure to use GPS when measuring the speed since the speed on the screen will be off.

Got my kit ordered from andys site today absolutely buzzing for it man estimate arrival next week

love the channel!

That is a animal Steve good stuff dude stuff

Looks like a lotta fun bud

hello mate great vid ,love the channel..when i was riding regular mountain bikes i used to love titanium..not cos of the weight savings but the plush ,dampened feel that it gives you ...ever thought of doing this to a ti framed bike?

Really good video and an interesting bike! I suppose riding it with the front set 2 levels below the rear would help in maintaining a nice ride but while minimising or possibly eliminating the wheel spin. It’s a shame there isn’t a display / controller system that can do a split screen to incorporate two motors, that would be well tidy. So.. what’s next.. maybe stick a 1500w mid-drive on it for the hat-trick! 5500w triple drive… 🚲😂🤣

Watch out for Snapping Spokes under the stress of the Hubs - Replace Aluminium spokes with Stainless Steel

@HeathenRides

6 күн бұрын

Does aluminum spokes exist I had no idea I only seen steal and those rope spokes

@davidmichael3189

6 күн бұрын

@@HeathenRides Yes Aluminium spokes are common in cheap Chinese bikes - the weight stress of a Hub Motor in the wheel in my experience lends them to snapping under torsion. You can get them all replaced with Stainless Steel easily enough.

Great video. Love how you explain dual motor is way better than a mid drive, from your experience. I had a Dualtron scooter that was mid drive. 3250w battery and 72v. A beast. But couldn’t go on the beach as wheels are small (13”) Where I am I can only get a fat bike with 500w motors. And 36v batteries. But I think at least running a big 20ah battery could still be good in dual motor mode. Not as good obviously as 2000w on each but at least double will be way more powerful as you just demonstrated

Good project, I would personally reduce throttle/pedal assist signal to front motor by adding resistor so front end is not as aggressive, and gain more traction.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe

10 ай бұрын

Or just don't use the front motor until your at like 20mph or going up a hill.

@shimes424

6 ай бұрын

They sell dual motor controllers, I’d imagine it’s a little better with a master/slave controller setup

@Zomby_Woof

5 ай бұрын

​@@shimes424Yes, but that's not necessary You can use twi single motor controllers that support master/slave via canbus. Vesc, sabvoton, fardriver. You really want one of these for the direct drive motors used here. DD motors can handle several times the power level of a geared motor. Unfortunately, most ebikes sold are geared. The motors here could be pumped up to 5kw each, and with a bit of ferrofluid to improve heat dissipation won't even get warm. And you almost have to increase the power level quite a bit with a DD motors because watt for watt, they produce less torque than do geared motors.

If you add a potentiometer between the output wire of the throttle (the white you said) on the middle pin and ground on the right pin then you should be able to set the amount of torque sent to the front tyre

What a beast!. Makes my 1000w single hub look like a joke lol

Your a brave dude!

if you put a thumb throttle for the front it will be much more controlled I built my 3000w two wheel drive 2 years ago it's awesome for hills great video's keep up the good work richie scotland

Good points! Direct drive is the way forward!

Nice one Steve 👍

Wicked build mate!!!😎 when you bringing it over mine?!

@DudeStuff

10 ай бұрын

Was hilarious seeing you ride it today mate good catchup 😁

@johnerbudman123

10 ай бұрын

Hey it’s beavis and butthead 😂

Nice work mate. Did you modify a rear motor to be a front wheel? The KirbEbike link site did not list a front 2000 watt hub kit? Thanx cheers

Wicked bike. Looks great fun. Yes of course it will beat a 1000w or 1500w mid drive up a hill as it's 2x 2000w so a 4000w mid drive would be a interesting comparison. Where's the world's fastest ebike gone or did I somehow miss its conclusion? 😁

I built a dual motor using a trek Marlyn 6. BBSHD mid drive and a 1000watt Andy Kirbe front hub. Each with their own 52 volt 20 amp batteries. Speed and range.

Will you be detailing a build for this ? Love to know the wiring and controller setup

Looked like a motocross bike ripped up the shingles when you were at the beach 😂👍🤜

Could you possible elaborate in a build video or share the combining of two controller signals to one throttle please. Great project, and so close to my plan of doing same to a Fat Tire Ebike (already has triple clamp style front forks). Thanx in advance for help and insights you may share.

Really cool, I wonder if maybe having two throttles would help so the front wheel doesn’t spin out

I have got 750w mid-drive and a 1000w mid-drive with gear sensors, so it cuts the power when changing gears, and if you don't beat em up too much, they are good motors and I own a Zooz 750 urban ultralight ELECTRIC BMX and the hub motor on that has so much torque and no gears but I love it just as much as the mid-drive bikes so I know what you mean plus I've watched your earlier videos of the mid-drives you and Andy have made and they were funny you know what I'm talking about 😅😂

Do you have a build video for this? I have a bafang hub motor I’m interested to see if I could fit a wheel motor to work together? A hard job?

thats Chalkwell beach in essex just by the train station great vid mate

Beautiful Build!!!! what controllers are you running?

Would adding mid motor be easier than adding front? Have engwe x26 but not looking for complicated install. Looking for better take off... I know added maintenance on mid drive but looking for easiest construction. Maybe just replace back motor for better one? Would love to avoid replacing batteries but is possible? Has 48v 29mah stock. Thanks...

interesting video & i wish i was 20yrs younger, but i do have to ask due to the importance of the brakes how do you adjust for pad wear on the calipers there doesn't seem to be enough clearance to fit a tool on the fly to do this.

I guess its summer there. Winter in Sydney and solid 20 degrees every day.

My duel 1000w Lankeleisi mg740 is superb. Great range as well. This must be a beast!!

@StefanRandall

10 ай бұрын

Nice! There’s nothing like a torque monster e-bike!!!

@HeathenRides

6 күн бұрын

Yeah hub motors probably have more range but needs a lot of watts/volts to have enough torque to start in a 30 degree upwards hill..here in Norway there's signs with 30 and a triangle where it's more than 30 degrees some people (tourists) doesn't get their car's or truck's up in the summer and doesn't even dare to try in the winter which is good because many wooden houses along these narrow mountain roads would be smashed if they did try..but people here are usually nice and drive it up for you

Love some electrics currently building a 72v 150a 3000w x-power 50cc into an animal.

@jezza17

10 ай бұрын

somehow i watched both ur vids already cuz

@NemesisGrowz

10 ай бұрын

@@jezza17 which ones my old weed grows? Starting them again soon with big production also a separate one for builds

@NemesisGrowz

10 ай бұрын

@@jezza17 small world KZread 😂

@jezza17

10 ай бұрын

@@NemesisGrowz yeah bro 😂😂

What's filming you?? And I need that set up on my bike. I love cycling but would be nice to not have to throw it in the car to go some where a while away on a nice day. Although I can cycle at 21 mph for a fair few miles and that's on mountain bike. But up hill help would be a great help. 😊

Need to take it to them steep grassy hills you go too

Another Great video Steve. If you haven’t tried one you should get a BBSHD mid drive with a BAC855 controller and run it at both 52/72V absolute game changer and you can comfortably run 4000W 💥

@wackedoutdude

10 ай бұрын

yes you can run lots of power through a mid drive but the drive chain becomes a weak link. The chain will wear fast or it will break. It could also damage the free hub body. This cannot happen on a hub drive system. pro's and cons to both systems.

@jamo9000

10 ай бұрын

@@wackedoutdude I see the gears and drive chain as a huge advantage as it’s ability to change gears for all types of riding/terrain/elevation. I’ve done over 7,000 miles at 3-4000W ratings and never snapped a chain. Only use cheap one too and think I’m on 3rd in 4 years. if you’re using the gears sensibly then you’ll have zero issue. A Mid drive also has huge advantages over any steep hill climbs and superior performance over a hub motor as you can go to a huge rear cog (40T+) and just let the motor spin free.

@wackedoutdude

10 ай бұрын

@@jamo9000 nice one mate, 7000miles that is some serious milage. I know that using the correct Gear at the correct time is the way to go but remember lots of people who ride e-bikes don't understand that. They are not mechanically minded so a hub Gear would probably benefit them.

@AaronHendu

7 ай бұрын

I started with a mid drive...was ok, but tried some hub motors, and, well...not looking back. Cheap hub motors at high volts and amps are amazing. So smooth and quiet. I love the hub motors for that reason alone. Also...i bottom out on my bottom bracket constantly...a mid drive wouldnt have lasted me long cause it basically becomes an expensive skid plate on rough terrain. Also...I go through a bottom bracket every year or two because of leg power...i am 120lbs and can leg press 600 kilos. I felt like I would also go through a mid drive unit every couple years. It was nice for climbing hills, but that is about it. Adding more power to hub motors also gets you up hills quickly. Also...you can juat keep a second set of normal mtb wheels, and remove the battery and youve mostly got your stock MTB back. Mid drive is basically now a mid drive MTB 100% of the time. And...3000w is child's play with a dual hub motor setup. You could probably push 5000 to 7000W through his current dual hub motors without much issue. It isnt needed. Most hub motors are "rated" at 250w/350w due to resteictions in different countries. I run 1100w through my "250w" hub motor and can run even more.

Built a 48v1500w front wheel with a 52v 2000w rear wheel on a felt frame. Earlier this year the front fork gave up. The mounts snaped and just last week the rear mounts gave way and the mounts let the rear wheel completely spin till the wires got messed up.😢 but i plan on doing it again cuz that lasted a good couple years😊

@AaronHendu

7 ай бұрын

The mounts? Not even sure what you mean...fork mounts? Drop outs you mean maybe?

@williamcarroll5402

7 ай бұрын

@@AaronHendu yes where u mount the front wheel. But just the part where the wheel axel go's. That broke

I wonder if you would get a bit more traction of you put fat tyres on it? Sure to be the case off road (especially at the beach), but maybe it would help on tarmac too???

Nice work bruv! Thanks for these builds, gives some of us you are into modding these bikes, something to base of or compare to... In short, thanks for being the Guinea pig😂😂😂👍🏾 U will be repayed in ebike heaven with 72 Virg..... Volts! 😅

So using your model. 1500 watt rear 1000watt front ? Or 2000watt rear 1000/1500 front ? Need to know

I've been seeing that one battery can run 2 hubs , I've seen that there is connector's that can run 2 batteries to one hub , is there any efficiency to longer distance and being faster ?

If you buy a front wheel motor they are usually 100-110 mm dropout fits...mine was. I used it to put in back of a bmx due to such small dropouts

@DudeStuff

6 ай бұрын

Not a 2000w isn't. Maybe a smaller motor yes

Awesome 👏!

I'm tempted to put a front hub motor on mine . Do you think it makes it look more hot for the police with 2 hubs Steve?

Duals are just PRACTICAL over using just 1motor on a bike. I use a gear motor as the base motor and use 2nd motor of a gearless as turbo booster. Ride it like a clutch of certain terrain and slopes, use the 2nd motor to put less torque for the gear of just a nad of a throttle nudge, from my 5th gear setting onto a road when needing speeds over 25mph with turbo motor and set gear throttle with turbo throttle to regenerate the gear motor's battery. Best part it has save my ass from being hit by car of a clean quick acceleration of darting out the way like Flash from near on just a foot away from being hit by car ( I dont speed over 36mph for safety and respect for the cars and pedestrians, bike is just 2500 watts of exceeding 42mph PLUS) Use the extra power for cargo overall. Oh, I love this e bike here on this video! DIY Build is Tonka Tuff or a Monster Bike!!! Ride SAFE to save others later.

Absolutely mental build!! Where did you get the forks from?

@DudeStuff

9 ай бұрын

Thanks and Amazon

The sliders got me laughing 😂 and cringing 😮. Safety first ….maybe mr Steve👌. Brilliant

Should of carried on up the path to Hadleigh and gone up some of them Badboy hills!

What a weapon :D Wonder if the happy medium is a mullet setup 2k back 1k front be cool if there was a controller where you could set up a front to back power %

I think it needs the throttles balancing, this is why its wheel spinning. If you can balance them you will get even better performance..

I've an Cargo AWD (350 rear/250 front) fat tire (26x4.0). Fun as all hell tho am ?able on trails. Uping from Kenda Jugg to Krusade hoping for better knobbies/better tpi).

with a new controller and battery can you upgrade any motor basically i have a 1500w hub and would just like to squeeze abit more outta it thinking a 52v battery and and controller with flux weakening maybe? currently on a 48v 13ah system im sure there must be something i can do

@AaronHendu

7 ай бұрын

Youve got the right idea! Higher volt battery and controller with as much amps as necessary to push the wattage you are looking for. You cpjld probably do 2500w on that motor. People often install temperature probes to see how warm everything gets. As long as heat is under control, you can keep going adding amps. Yoi could probably go right to 72v with that motor but that you cannot quote me.on and better do some research.

dies 2 2000w hub motors make 4000w or are they both 4000w pls really need to know building one soon

I got a awd 2000w philodo for my first e bike. I love the crap out of it. But as a car guy, I can’t help but want to modify it up to 4k watts lol. I just wanna be able to use my e bike more like an e moto bike. That way I can go faster than 35 mph. That’s my only complaint, just an extra 5-10 mph and I’d be complacent with it. And today I’ll be seeing if I can get that extra 5 mph by changing the tire size on the display to 20 inches instead of 26. But we will see if that helps at all

I have a 1500 Bafang Ultra mid drive. Yes it goes up steep hill great but my dual motors 1k watts bike faster going up same hill without feeling like going to fall apart. It does so without hesitation. The Bafang great but you can’t shift without letting off on power as you tear up your chain and gears. I watch that video where that guy states reasons dual hub motors are pointless and he couldn’t be more wrong. You get torque when you need it if you switch off front motor and you get more torque when needed when both motors are on going up steeper hills. So on my commuter bike where have dual motor dual batteries I can get power when needed to put less stress on rear motor and if not needed get more range. Plus with dual motor you can get up to speed very quickly you also gain about a mile or two top speed I notice. Yes dual motors is not for top speed as both motors are spinning at same RPM, it for torque which to me is more important.

how heavy is it ?, i think my bike is heavy already, mountainbike with only the read 2000w kit. and then the batt on it, i will weight it some day. but it's pretty heavy

Now you gotta try dual hub motors AND a mid drive just for the hell of it

Good evening, can you explain to us how to install two motors and how to adjust them? We will be happy with this video waiting for you

Can you link the fork?/ Talk more about it ive been struggling with Fwd/Awd bikes

That's extremely cool

what camera are you using after the fifth minute?

can you post the link for the bike you have in video? thanx

Does those fit on 148mm boost? And what about 110mm fork ?

Great video i was thinking about doing this to my bike are aluminium forks strong enough for a 1000w hub motor up front, any tips?

@AaronHendu

7 ай бұрын

I would say any decent MTB fork should be fine with 1000W. I have a Trek 3700 from 2010 with the stock fork, and 1100W on the front hub motor. Seems absolutely fine so far, even without a torque arm. The drop outs did need a minor mod like.mentioned in the video, but you can also just grind down a couple washers. The ones that come with most hub motors are like 1/16" too large. You can bore the center of rhe correct diameter washer, or grind down the outer diameter of the omes that come with the hub. Or grind your dropout area on the forks a tiny bit.

So would a 1000 watt front and a 1500 rear work. ?

can i have part list for for fork . im interest to fit in my e bike 2x 1500 or 2x 2000 w motorsi got 27.5 frame decen one and im thinking back pack battery.. bicose i need plase for biget sochk im kinda hewy dude im 102 kg. and this 250w motors is like kiling it self :D

Awesome testing man!! I'm wanting to put a front wheel 1500w motor on my gasoline rear powered Phatmoto to give it a little better Holeshot and up to mid speed range where the 4Stroke motor can haul it to top end. I still have a lot of work to do on the engine but I think I'm going to go ahead and order the Hub and my batteries, so I can configure it while I'm working on the engine output. I was considering changing the engine to a larger displacement but I like the nice tidy weight of the 79cc motor and don't want to go overboard with weight on the frame. I'm thinking I'd be better off port and polishing the small engine, and get it breathing better. It has ok torque in stock form, but I'm hoping to double it with some nifty porting 😂😂. I'm guessing that 1500w hub is probably the highest wattage I will need to go, or it's not going to get traction. I'll probably mount the Battery pack directly over the front wheel too, on my front rack. That should theoretically give it a better squat without affecting the steering and spinning all the way. If it gets squirrelly around the corner, I may have to go with a speed limit cutoff at 20mph or something. I'm seriously not wanting to kill myself, trying to go 50mph consistently 😂😂

What a beast, get a pair of schwable magic Marys that'll sort your traction out, ride safe.

What's a good bike to convert to a ebike?

This electric gear bycycle is wonderfull😲😲😲😍

What volts and ah on the battery m8 . Great vid btw 👌🏾 love your content

@DudeStuff

10 ай бұрын

52v 20ah standard kirbebike battery mate

@overvoltage_tv

10 ай бұрын

Impressive 👌🏾 doin a awd set up myself but with smaller geared motors . Video very inspiring

What battery and kits do you use

Hefty DH fork on a hardtail! That's sick, lol

Well said dudestuff, people don't understand the speed concept, anything above 30mph+ is so sketch 😂😂😂

Obviously it's still summer. I (probably others) would like to see what it does in snow. Thinking winter commute.

I keep checking up to see this ebike build with Kelly 144300 controller or whatever it is. Steve must be nervous he'll loop it 😂

Can anybody tell me how long the spokes are on a 26 inch 2000 watt MTX kirby hub?

Front wheel drive is under rated

I really want to build one just like this. What brand mountain bike would be best for this conversion? Looking for it to be stable at speed.

@jonasmeier417

10 ай бұрын

No lightweight. As massive as possible.

@jonasmeier417

10 ай бұрын

Of course big hub motors have power - and are illegal. 2 x 1'000 Watt hub motors are illegal too. A 500 Watt middrive is already good on hills, while a 500 Watt hub motor is not.

What front motor did u use qs205?

Steve do you know anybody in the UK but will rewire the phase cables back into my hub motor as I have a split in The Wire where it comes out of the axle ps it's a 2000 Watt mtx hub motor from Kirkby bikes

@DudeStuff

Ай бұрын

I don't I could do with that myself

Pure monster

How many amps going in in different cases?

Awesome im gonna build one

did this 5 yrs ago 2 1500w motors 2 50amp controllars 84v battery 3in tyres great down the beach does 50mph

should be comparing dual 1000w vs single 2000W., or single 4000W vs dual 2000W to see which on has more efficiency and torque

Now do a three motor bike! one on each wheel and a crank motor

I put to motors in one just took the coil out and installed into the hub of the other motor was abit of mission but got it to work and only needed 1 controller and now its a monster tons of torque and speed and had a race with a mid drive beat it without trying was only using half throttle 😂😂😂😂