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@michaeljordan4571

Жыл бұрын

you guys have done now 3 towing range tests and 0 none towing tests with a EV thats not designed to be a tow vehicle. I would like to see just a normal range test seeing as how 99.9% of people won't be towing with their Hummer.

@Stevgar2

Жыл бұрын

Ok how far would the ram go with 3,000# of diesel to feed off ? If you're going off pure energy density wouldn't that be the best way to do it ? Conversely you could do a “loaded test” in EVs favour & only fuel up the ram with 6 gal of diesel to see where they each run out.

@jeffk464

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but like someone said most of the gasoline or diesel is just goint to making heat and making the block hot.

@ColinWatts

Жыл бұрын

Hey Magna, did you know that your sponsorship dollars would be spent bashing EVs? You may wanna reconsider.

@kenl.6857

Жыл бұрын

You should have included a gasser. Say, the 7.3 Godzilla.

The more you guys test electric vehicles, the more I want to keep buying gas/diesel

@roadglide1142

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao Right ! 👌😝

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't mind a hybrid Honda Grom that has small little electric hybrid system for getting moving and then the little engine geared to get the top speed a little faster. That way I could actually mob around my town for pennies on the dollar even more than already without being stuck unable to drive in the major roads because a normal Grom can't maintain 60mph up a good gradient. I love the Grom but man it would be so much easier to actually want to keep around long term if I could pull up a hill without people hating me for being slow. I want my Grom to feel like it's on steroids without having aftermarket parts on it reducing long term reliability. With the same super small form factor for comedic effect of course. The Grom should be a whole product line if you ask me. An all electric, a hybrid, and a gas only. Maybe make it a 175cc just so the gas only doesn't feel as anemic idk. I'm sure a few good braincells together could pull it off It would be cool if it was like a belt drive hybrid type of system. Less chain lubing which I hate. I like the scooter tires for ease of replacement and the very small form factor though because it's super affordable and really easy to tuck away in the corner of the garage. Parts super affordable ECT. I just hate chain maintenance and for 4k I think a Grom should be able to hold 60mph up a hill from factory. My old accord is 5500 dollars and Its hard to justify nearly the same money for something that struggles up a hill. If they upgraded the powertrian and made it even a 150 or 175 but kept the small form factor and introduced a hybrid system, maybe you can get 200 miles per gallon and go faster than ever before while remaining with a huge chunk of aftermarket support that would still exist for many parts. If they made the engine a little bigger than 125 maybe it would last more miles. I've seen guys ride the crap out of groms and the engines seem to tap out at about 50k miles because it's a little engine working very hard. If it was hybrid it would only need very small easy to replace battery and the engine would be less strained and would last longer. I watched a video of a guy wheelie his from out of the front door of a dealership when he bought it and broke a plastic piece immediately 😂 I'm not a wheelie popper but lots of Grom guys are so I'm surprised a few of these plastic pieces aren't built a little tougher. I want to sit on a tiny Honda Grom, get 200 mpg and feel like I'm on a rocket ship. I like to switch through gears too though. I don't like fully automatic motorcycles. So it's complicated and I understand I'm a hard person to please when I want certain requirements with several technologies that might be difficult to mold together in a way I would be willing to buy

@wayando

Жыл бұрын

These electric trucks are only good if they can be used as power backup for a house in a rural area type situation. Otherwise as just a truck, I don't know.

@AcmeRacing

Жыл бұрын

We're just now starting to develop electrics for towing and hauling. I just bought a gasoline truck; by the time it's worn-out, electrics might be practical for long distance towing of an RV. As usual, I'm waiting for the early adopters to work the bugs out.

@scottstyles1986

Жыл бұрын

absolutely

The Ram can tow both trailers and the Hummer without breaking a sweat.

@PatrixBest

Жыл бұрын

Certainly

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing how much energy is in a gallon of diesel.

@moparman266

Жыл бұрын

With out a doubt

@subvertedworld

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAnnoyingBoss and there's enough oil to power the world for over a thousand years.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

@@subvertedworld I looked into it more and I think there isn't 1000 years of oil. My issue is no one seems to have accurate numbers. They tell me there is 44 billion barrels, they tell me there is 264 billion barrels. So in 5-10 years will they be saying there is 750 billion or not? Because if our demand doesn't increase at all, if their is only 44 billion and USA consumes 20 million per day, that's only 6 years worth of oil. If USA has 264 billion, If demand doesn't go up at all, that's 36 years worth. If In ten years they tell us there is only 750 billion barrels, if demand doesn't increase at all, that's only 100 years. And demand is increasing... And there definitely isn't enough lithium and lithium electric clearly is not worth it. We're on track to run out of lithium long before oil I think. Unless we find an ungodly amount more. Now I think hydrogen gas a chance but not if we do it wrong. There is enough water in the oceans for the world to be on hydrogen for 10,000 years without sucking too much to harm oceanlife too badly. So that eliminates the running out problem for at least a very long time. Only issue is hydrogen comes with it's own set of problems. For one, tons of salt we csnt just dump right back in without killing everything. Then if the hydrogen vehicles store the Hydrogen in form of gas, they can explode easily. Hydrogen production plant blow up easy. Like worse than nuclear bomb man... So instead kf hydrogen plants what we'd need is water de-salting plants, and then they way we can pump the water like gas and have it converted to jusy enough hydrogen to keep the vehicles running so they won't spontaneously blow up. Only issue is that's a lot of crap to throw onto a vehicle and it might not be logically adequate. Plus water is not self lubricating like oil is. You pump oil through pipes and it lubricates itself. Water erodes, it doesn't lube. So that's going to cause some big problems. It's complex man

Diesel did not even have to drop his load to re-fuel.... Simply superior

@BeautifulAngelBlossom

Жыл бұрын

over 100 Dollars to full up No thanks the ev wins on free chanrging

@ernyguerra1195

Жыл бұрын

Free? It was 30ish dollars to charge the Hummer plus another 45 minutes wasted while charging

@HakarDoski

Жыл бұрын

@@ernyguerra1195 in the video, they charged it for free. but only because EA was offering free charges that month.

@MAD_MAX_913

Жыл бұрын

@@BeautifulAngelBlossom There's no such thing as free charging bud

@kaltenbaughbrothers4225

Жыл бұрын

@@BeautifulAngelBlossom boy i can fill a diesel for a long time with your extra 60k u spent on your EV lol

Do a cross country pull and see how long it takes each vehicle.

@1stpaintballmaster

Жыл бұрын

Nebraska to southern Arizona would be a good test.

@everydayliving1975

Жыл бұрын

@@1stpaintballmaster That would be a year long test on the electric.

@cliffterrell4876

Жыл бұрын

Almost three times the time with EV trucks

@xrp15

Жыл бұрын

That junk ass ev will need towed

@LovesGrilling

Жыл бұрын

They wouldn't make it -- there are stretches of more than 130 miles of no electricity fast charging. The trip would be charger to charger only. LOL SORRY TO WHOECER BUYS THIS TRASH HHAHAHAHA

Thats awesome the charge was free, but let's use the numbers to find out the future cost. The Hummer charged from 7% to 51% for $37.41 according to the EA charger. So $0.85 for each 1%. At that rate it would cost $79 to charge the Hummer to 100%. Hummer cost per mile: $79 ÷ 123 miles = $0.64 per mile. Cummins cost per mile: $105 ÷ 211 miles = $0.49 per mile

@MsMrhawk

Жыл бұрын

Also, the time to charge a battery vs. Fueling at the pump! Time is money! I don't want to be sitting there waiting for things to charge!

@thesunflowchannel1995

Жыл бұрын

Also gotta take into account the amount of diesel fuel the generator uses to charge the hummer 😂

@jeepinintexas6215

Жыл бұрын

Now imagine if the current nutjob administration screwing things up wasn't in power and diesel was cheap like it use to be. I drove out to my hunting property this weekend to go setup a new game camera in my Jeep JK. It's 186 miles to there and the same coming back for a total of 372 miles. Lots of hills and driving against the wind too that killed my mileage. Back when 87 octane gas was $1.85 a gallon it wasn't a thing. Now I wince every time I have to fuel up the Jeep at $3.40 a gallon 🤬

@larrysmith6797

Жыл бұрын

@@MsMrhawk Anytime you spend waiting at a charger is deducted from your remaining lifespan.

@jeepinintexas6215

Жыл бұрын

@@DFDalton1962 also, with a gas or diesel vehicle, you could bring a gas can along if you do run out of fuel. It would be enough to get to a station in most cases.

123 miles with an empty trailer and no gear! $115k not me any time soon. Great video

@FrankyRedEyes

Жыл бұрын

But but but watch it crab walk lol ....I agree with you not buying this or anything like this. Not new. Not used not ever unless no other options.

@user-tb7rn1il3q

Жыл бұрын

It’s a joke by the woke.

@fastfreeks

Жыл бұрын

@@FrankyRedEyes I think that's their idea to give us no other options.

@4alphazulu

Жыл бұрын

@@fastfreeks You're probably more right than you think. The Wokies don't like suburban sprawl. They'd rather have us crammed into cities, stacked on top of each other without the ability to travel more than a few miles unless it's on 'approved' public transportation.

@ryanemmel7063

Жыл бұрын

Good to see real world results and not continously selling based on hopes and dreams. The manufacturers loves to deceive the customer

You should also consider how much fuel was burned by the power-plant in order to charge that electric truck-thing.

@garettjohnson2234

Жыл бұрын

that's considered in the cost of the electricity...

@ethanlinderman8833

Жыл бұрын

Then you should also consider how much energy was used in refining the diesel

@madweazl

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanlinderman8833 Nit wits forget that process exists for some reason. Or the motor oil, filters, and other associated maintenance costs of the ICE.

@dennisjoseph629

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanlinderman8833 Don't forget all the other products on Earth that must have petrochemicals to be made!!! Almost everything we have is made using fossil fuels.. Gasoline and diesel only make up 35% of a barrel of crude oil.

@hughjaanus6680

Жыл бұрын

@@dennisjoseph629 Plastic is made from hydrocarbons. "Most plastic in use today comes from hydrocarbons derived from crude oil, natural gas and coal - fossil fuels. What is a hydrocarbon? Hydrocarbons are organic compounds (can be aliphatic or aromatic) made up of carbon and hydrogen"

I know my driving experience is more mixed than some as I have driven OTR semi-truck units and regular gas vans and cars for different jobs. I had one job that took me from Peru, Indiana to Hickman, Kentucky. I gassed up in Hickman, Kentucky (picking up a semi driver) and drove to the Flying J Truck stop in Effingham, Illinois (where the truck was supposed to be) then to the TA Travel Center in Clayton, Indiana (where the truck was actually left). Roughly 331 miles in a 1977 Chevy Monte Carlo with a small block 308 (yes the engine had been replaced by a previous owner) on 3/4 of a tank for a 19 to 20-gallon gas tank. I had to use my PV as there were no company vans in northern Indiana to get this driver, I made some good money for that trip and the company paid for the gas. It's amazing what a little TLC and new spark plugs can do for fuel mileage at times.

I would love you guys to do a tow test in Canada with this electric vs diesel in our actual winter temps. -20 to -40 degree temps and see that 125 miles shrink down to 75 miles.

@BrodieBr0

Жыл бұрын

Exactly....do I not run the heat and freeze myself so I can get further?

@MyCatFooed

Жыл бұрын

I think that you can cut that down to kilometers instead... PLUS, cut that again down to only @ 70 km in those temperatures if you're towing & driving uphill.

@distanceismyplastercast

Жыл бұрын

Thank you amateur scientists, for proving just how amateur you are. Batteries are more efficient and electrical systems in general at low temperature. That's why super conductors etc have to be cooled to close to absolute zero (-270 C) to work well. Whereas, on very cold nights, diesel will turn to jelly.

@kenkinniph2327

Жыл бұрын

@@distanceismyplastercast You don't have to be a scientist to figure out batteries do not like cold weather. You just have to use battery operated equipment in cold weather to figure it out. In the cold the heater will have to use the battery for heat and for the blower motor. Gas/diesel uses the heat generated by the engine to heat your vehicle. Unless you like frosted windows and cold feet your range will drop.

@distanceismyplastercast

Жыл бұрын

@@kenkinniph2327 Get a brain. The only truth in your answer is that gas engines make a lot of heat. That's because most of the energy released us as heat and very little us actually used to make the car move forward. Guess during your vast experience with electric motors you've never noticed that they get hot too and that heat can also be used for air conditioning. Difference is only 10% of the energy is as heat, and 90% is used to make the car move.

These electric trucks have been nothing but disappointments. The Lightning was pretty horrible at everything and the Hummer has been pretty bad too so far. Let's be real, these electric trucks are for people who just drive to the office and Starbucks and don't really need a truck in the first place.

@jermainec2462

Жыл бұрын

LOL that's what happens when you take a box and throw some batteries in it LOL.... Like I keep saying in other comments small cars sedans first then crossovers then pick ups until we get this battery technology more advanced because right now most of these electric cars and trucks are just luxury toys...

@superfisher4379

Жыл бұрын

EV's real strong point is daily driving or commuting. Buy a cheap ICE truck for work and a cheap EV for the daily.

@freedomisnotnegotiable

Жыл бұрын

@@superfisher4379 cheap EV?

@freedomisnotnegotiable

Жыл бұрын

When they talk about the energy density they show how insanely stupid and inefficient EV cars are… pulling a „gigantic“ travel trailer, 5000 lbs… that’s one of the lightest camping trailer before you go with a pop-up

@superfisher4379

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomisnotnegotiable Yeah I know you aren't really going to find a cheap one. I'm not a big fan of EV's at all but could see the benefit of a very small economical one that would be used for daily driving/commuting. Right now they're just toys for rich liberals.

I wish you would have done this test up the hill on I-70 like the rest of your tests.

@whotf888

Жыл бұрын

The Hummer might not have made it up lmao

0.25m/kWh diesel vs 0.6m/kWh hummer EV is actually pretty spot on for diesel engine thermal efficiency of around 40%

@jtmcrash

Жыл бұрын

now the hummer just needs a 7 speed tranny

If you want to do any long distance towing with electric trucks, the bed of the truck is so you can bring a big generator. The frunk is for all of the fuel cans you’ll need.

@Destin65

Жыл бұрын

@Scuba Steve 100% false. Electric Aircraft batteries using batteries manufactured in Sweden can be charged in as little as 30 minutes and give the aircraft a flight range of over 500 miles.

@partain2000

Жыл бұрын

@@Destin65 Electric airplanes??? NOT HARDLY!!!!!

@luckyduck6921

Жыл бұрын

@@Destin65 what does an "airplane in Sweden" have to do with a bummer taking 4days to charge?

@elvisstarlord7121

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@cwfirebird

Жыл бұрын

Sort of defeats the purpose of clean energy.

I would go with the Ram! I could fill up about 450+ times with the money saved in the purchase price between the two trucks not to mention the time saved at each fill up! You have to love the Ram!

@nbk9nbk1

Жыл бұрын

What do you think the ram costs...

@matrinezkevin11492

Жыл бұрын

@@nbk9nbk1 that one was sold for 68k compared to the hummers 114k sale price which does total out to about 460 one hundred dollar fill ups. Multiply that by the 211 mile range covered for said fuel up and it's coming out to 97k miles before the ram costs as much as the initial sticker for the hummer ev but this is not factoring how much the hummer is going to cost to continue charging so it'll probably be over a decade before the hummer ev and this Cummins are equal in total cost sunk. Absolutely not worth it given most new cars and especially EVs, won't be on the road for decades like diesels.

@mbudden

Жыл бұрын

This is the math that consumer doesn't do. The same math can be applied to other EV vehicles as well. Until the price is 1:1 with ICE and EV... The cost difference doesn't make sense.

@Ob1Love

Жыл бұрын

@@nbk9nbk1 I based the comment on the prices they quoted. Simple math.

@scottromero4004

Жыл бұрын

@@nbk9nbk1 almost half the price as the hummer.didnt you pay attention to the video

Nicely done. Straightforward comparison and very interesting. The math review was perfect. I have driven that route many times. I was surprised by the low payload on the Hummer. My previous truck, a GMC Canyon Denali, has about the same payload. I ran the numbers and decided I needed a new Silverado with 500 lbs. more payload for our camper. I went with gas, but I really like the Duramax.

Battery tech isn't there yet. Hard to beat the stored energy of diesel. Maybe once little reactors are under the hood.

@bigrob6076

Жыл бұрын

Look up dry state batteries. This is the only long-term chance Ev has, but if you look them up so far the smallest, they can make the tech is way too big for automotive use. However, a dry state that is 8ft by 8ft by 8ft can power a city of 250k people for a day. Don't quote me on that exactly, but it is impressive. I, however, am on team hydrogen for the future, and for the moment, team propane. The old 5.7 really rips on propane.

@greuju

Жыл бұрын

@@bigrob6076 what do you mean by the 5.7 and propane? Got a video I can look up? Yeah Im supporting Cummins with my money how I can since they're working hard on hydrogen. I believe the battery technology is already there, but the shielding or whatever isn't.

@thomasshingleton9289

Жыл бұрын

Not only battery but chargers in small towns aren't up to the task. And there are only a very small number of EV rigs on the road relative to number of cars

@Rumpl4Skyn

Жыл бұрын

I can at least get on board with that.

@kirkbarber4040

Жыл бұрын

It never will be

The Ram costs half as much. The Ram diesel has 2.5x the range. The Ram can fill up completely in 10 minutes. The Ram can pull in and pull out to fill up. The Ram does not need to un-hook and re-hook the trailer for fueling. The EV pumps, if occupied already, may take awhile to be free for use.

@ronj1982

Жыл бұрын

Also the battery will degrade and range will get worse and worse every year. Resale value will be nothing. You will own a yard ornament in 5 years.

@williamneumann7578

Жыл бұрын

Great points...and the Cummins will last for years and probably hundreds of thousands of miles

@Believer21777

Жыл бұрын

But but what about saving the earth and cooling it off OH ya the batteries are even worse for the earth . oooops

@rockwallcares5084

Жыл бұрын

@@ronj1982 Do you honestly believe the Hummer will only last 5 years, like for real honestly.....

@Suresh-ib4co

Жыл бұрын

@@rockwallcares5084 5 years might be a bit extreme. Probably last longer. But the battery capacity can and will decline over the years making it more and more obsolete when compared to diesel vehicles which, in fact, slightly increase their fuel economy after being well broken-in following years of driving.

At this point owning a Hummer is more like a hobby than anything else.

@zachlafond2652

Жыл бұрын

More like a druggie looking for your next charging fix...man i need the good stuff..high speed man...350kw

@roelofmalherbe8830

Жыл бұрын

An expensive and privilege hobby. 🤪

@Al_Pollock

Жыл бұрын

At any point owning a hummer has been more of a hobby than anything else.

@michaelswearingen4596

Жыл бұрын

Nobody really towed with the old hummer, it was a niche vehicle from jump

@atodaso1668

Жыл бұрын

@@Al_Pollock agreed, they have always been a toy vehicle

Another hilarious electric vehicle video! Why Next time, just put a big honkin’ diesel generator in the trailer with 20 extra gallons and charge the Dummer along the side of the road while you take a nice long long nap (earplugs sold separately). That way you don’t have to unhook the trailer and go the opposite direction from what you intended. Or take the $60,000 saved from buying the diesel to pay for 400 fill-ups of $150 each. 100,000 free miles!

@ryanduchaine3994

Жыл бұрын

LMAO... Hummer: "Hmmmmmm, lets take OUT the engine this time...." So dumb.... It should be a Twin Turbo V8

So if that charging station was full you could have spent hours waiting to get charged. If it was cold out you might not had enough power left to get in the charging station after trying to stay warm in your EV !

@AlexRides808

Жыл бұрын

They should have had a generator in the Hummer's toy hauler.

@jimkelly1578

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexRides808 Running on what, diesel fuel?

I love that you guys are talking about energy density and comparing true energy efficiency. Something so many people are confused about! Well explained, thank you.

@DSArmageddon666

Жыл бұрын

Something just hit me based on energy density: He would have paid $40 for the electricity equivalent to 6 gallons of diesel. That would have worked out to over $6.70 for a "gallon" of electricity. It shocks me that the super-charger is more expensive than gas.

@WhoThisGuy515

Жыл бұрын

@@DSArmageddon666 When i first got my EV non fast charging was free. I've since moved to Colorado and they charge a pretty high amount for all public charging and home electricity in general. After doing the average math, if fuel is under $4 a gallon then i'm spending more to drive the EV plus the wait time for charging.

@jeffk464

Жыл бұрын

I believe Toyota's 2.5L aka Rav4 engine is the most thermally efficient engine on the road, but its still way way behind electric.

@jeffk464

Жыл бұрын

@@WhoThisGuy515 NO, that defies everything i've ever heard. Even if you pay a lot for electricty, like CA rates its still cheaper per mile.

@tazeat

Жыл бұрын

@@DSArmageddon666 Yeah, gas/diesel has always been an excellent value of energy per dollar, at least in the US historically. The other numbers to keep in mind is charging at home would be more like $9-12 worth of electricity for that same amount of energy depending where you live. For most, the vast majority of charging is likely to be done at home, so weigh that in. The other factor is an EV can generally do a lot more with a given amount of energy, so even in scenarios where you pay more per kWh than gas, you can do more with it due to the higher efficiency. In some cases at least.

If you run out of charge just call triple A and have them bring you "a can of electricity"😂

@you2be839

Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting point that still needs to be addressed for EVs, perhaps by a towable battery, from which the EV can run directly from until it reaches the next charging station... and that towable battery can even be delivered without the need of a tow truck, which is certainly always better than having to wait for a tow truck.

@GTOGregory

Жыл бұрын

@@you2be839 Robots and drones to the rescue!

@levipoland6482

Жыл бұрын

They use diesel generators

I loved this, but also enjoyed the interaction between Chase and Andre

Love my Cummins with the Stealth module!

I've been stating this for years now, EV's are great in the city and short trips but when it comes to long distance driving and towing, diesel is king. This is why I have my diesel 4x4 for towing my boat and my EV for every day driving around my local city. Great video gents.

@ethanmurray2203

Жыл бұрын

Exactly..had 2 Tesla model x cars, top battery, loaded. Good for about 180 miles, at most. Never towed anything. Went Vegas once, totally stressful, had to stop twice. About 300 miles away. $150K car, good for around town or short trips only.

@chadgardnerdds3197

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanmurray2203 Thank you for this honest answer/explanation. I am a dentist with a 7 mile commute, so an ideal EV owner, right? But I just unloaded my F250 after pulling a gooseneck trailer, utility tractor, 2 UTVs, 2 young boys and a deer 90 miles back from my hunting camp where I used 4x4 all weekend. I filled up Monday, drove to work all week, made the 180 mile round trip drive pulling 10klbs and still have 58 miles in the tank. So mon-fri, I’m the ideal EV guy, but come the weekend, I’m rarely w/o a boat or hunting gear. I’ve considered a Tesla, but it would be a total waste of money and resources.

@ethanmurray2203

Жыл бұрын

@@chadgardnerdds3197 Especially if you have a big solar system, or live in a place without crazy electric rates, like here in San Diego. Keep the truck for hauling, electric car for running around town. They are fun to drive. See if tax credits are available too.

@ronaldclifton3444

Жыл бұрын

EVs are, and probably always will be, commuter vehicles.

@chadgardnerdds3197

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanmurray2203 I’m in rural Louisiana living on 58 acres with 35+ acres of pastureland being used for hay since my daughter moved college and no longer barrel races. I have been approached about a solar farm being put on the pastures, but I am better off selling the hay and my homestead being a legitimate farm business. I’ve looked into it and the benefits of a solar farm are not great in my state. I realize that wasn’t your point, but I’m just saying it’s strange that an area receiving 8+ hours of very intense sunlight per day is not better incentivized. Regardless, I’m not going to spend $100k+ on a Tesla, although I do think they are cool, when I only burn 2-3 gallons per work day, then an unknown amount on weekends. I just don’t see how the benefits are there when I factor in insurance, another payment, maintenance, etc but I could definitely be wrong.

As someone who has towed a 30' 10k lbs Toy Hauler from Florida to Alaska round trip, I'd like to stress how important range is to lowering stress in towing. Having the range to make it to your destination without having to refuel hooked up is a game changer in towing. I have a Cummins Ram and added a 90 gallon DOT legal Aux fuel tank and can easily tow 1100 miles without refueling. Granted that's a little overkill for most people, but I was on the ALCAN in March. Adding a 30 gal Aux tank will give a modern diesel around a 500-600 mile range towing, which is more than most people want to go in one day anyway.

@vardashan

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I added a 40gal aux tank to supplement my 34gal main tank. Takes so much stress out of a trip and allows us to pick and choose where we get diesel weighing both cost and convenience due to our towing a travel trailer. That tank is single best addition I made to our tow rig and it is slim enough that I still have use of the majority of the bed. EV trucks aren't there yet for towing especially trailers such as 5th wheels, goosenecks or anything with a substantial frontal wind load. No way we could make the trips we do stopping every hundred miles for 45min to an hour waiting to charge. Get a huge headwind in Western Kansas on I-70? That Hummer wouldn't go 50 miles with a trailer.

@1320fastback

Жыл бұрын

My old Dodge has a towing range of 370 miles. I generally start looking at around 250-300 because I need to stretch anyways. Life it too short to have range anxiety.

@WW3_Historian

Жыл бұрын

@@vardashan I completely agree. The tank is the single best thing I added also. I have about $2k in my setup, but it's integrated into the truck computer, and is completely automatic. Absolutely worth the money.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

That's incredible. Whenyou account for aftermarket fuel tanks I forgot about, you could have those installed and still be in far under the cost of the Hummer too and gave way more range. Even more than you probably even realistically need shot of a fuel crisis caused for one reason or another. But they're is also 44 billion gallons of known oil resevers in USA too. So fuel shortage is unlikely even if cost fluctuates it'll probably not run out

@bigbaddms

Жыл бұрын

@@vardashan yep and just imagine running out of battery in the middle of a cold, dark, country road. IF you can get a tow truck they can’t give you gas. You can beg them for a ride, while your $150,000 electric SUV sits on the road side, with no battery power. How are you going to get it out of there? Towing a 9500lb electric hummer? What about your trailer? What if you had kids? Disaster!!

I must say that is the first real comparison video that I've seen. I've always felt my rough numbers can't prove EV being more beneficial in the long run. Even if costs were close, how long would it have taken to get a full charge on the Hummer if I was going on a long trip vs. time filling a full tank of fuel?

Your channel is the best at this stuff.

I've been watching you guys for years and I'm finally glad you guys are being honest about this electric toy. It truly is no more than a toy and I know I've upset you guys in the past by bringing this up but I'm glad you guys come to the realization to understand this. This country needs to stop pushing for us to change to nothing but electric and allow the consumers the option to choose what's best for us.

@tubesurfer4331

Жыл бұрын

But then they can't just shut your car off wherever they want.

@hueso66able

Жыл бұрын

@@tubesurfer4331 September 17th 2014 was when your account was created and this is the very first comment and I also realize you didn't even watch the video. This is exactly what bots do. Go ahead and keep peddling your life and I will keep telling the truth. You obviously don't know anything about technology and you're going to continuously pretend I see if you're on our side or your complete democratic shill.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

Andre said is best. It's absolutely a lifestyle truck. You buy one because you want to say you own one eventhough it is less superior in many key ways. For people where money is less of a concern. Its the type of truck thats meant to be looked at more than a performer. It performs in certain ways better than others but it's clearly not intended to be what a ram or f250 is. The Hummer is useful sure, but for the price, if you have to haul a backhoe form orange county LA to Miami Florida, it's Absolutely not the vehicle you want to take. Electric cars just cannot compete because a single gallon of diesel is wildly energy dense, you can always quickly pump another in in short order and there is 44 billion gallons of oil under the ground just in USA alone so it won't be running out any time soon

@Industrialmodels2

Жыл бұрын

There is no "climate crisis"....it's all bs. They need to let the free market determine whats best.

@johnjames5842

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the market doesn't want ev's, can't afford ev's , doesn't have the infastructure for ev's, and doesn't have the time for ev's.

I would love to see this test in one year after the battery’s been thrashed a little..

@justing224

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it’s going to be interesting to see how these batteries last

@ytthecommunistplatform.2675

Жыл бұрын

they dont last when you fast charge them all the time from full to flat . imagine replacing the battery out of warrenty .$$$$$

@donaldliverance2597

Жыл бұрын

@@shawncorradini5129 heaters use a lot of power too so even less right it's just a silly idea in the north

@jghall00

Жыл бұрын

@@ytthecommunistplatform.2675 Fast charging is only used on road trips. Most EV owners charge overnight at home. It's cheaper and you wake up with a full charge every morning.

@flyinbrianz22

Жыл бұрын

And after the Cummins has broke in

I'm so glad there are people buying ev's and making videos like this so I don't have too

A good fair and honest comparison 👌 👏 👍

Other problems with the EV: the additional time required to fill it up, having to be more careful of running out of power, and the huge inconvenience involved. Add to that the shorter range and the add'l 46 THOUSAND Dollars!!!! You can by a LOT of diesel fo $46K!!!

@radicalttc

Жыл бұрын

Unless you in California where they asked folks to unplug their vehicles. Because of the strain on the grid.

@666dynomax

Жыл бұрын

@@radicalttc If i lived in Cali i'd already have my bags packed... if i even unpacked them that is ... get out NOW

@SinkhuisieAntiques

Жыл бұрын

Not only k46$ more but interest on that money and charging not always free

@fiddynutz68

Жыл бұрын

Let's not forget they're towing CAMPERS, which generally go where EV charging stations don't exist.

Loved how they picked a route that was all downhill towards Nebraska to give the EV all the help it can get

@wrongthinker350

Жыл бұрын

And it still failed miserably.

@rockmack7343

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, just about everything is down hill from Denver

@onlyonestinger

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@cuddles6569

Жыл бұрын

It's all downhill anyway,,,there leaving the rocky mountains....my semi gets almost 10 mpgs fully loaded on I80 lea ing Cheyenne almost until Omaha

@wasidanatsali6374

Жыл бұрын

I would’ve liked to see how the Hummer did pulling some mountains with that trailer.

When he says "Gigantic camping trailers" that tells you everything you need to know about this test/video! lol

I want to know how hot the battery gets charging that fast and towing lol

I’d love to see a winter tow test using that hummer somewhere like Montana

@bobkonradi1027

Жыл бұрын

Either Montana in the winter or Arizona in the summer. The heater / air conditioner would suck up the charge like a sponge.

@SteegeFish

Жыл бұрын

Get stranded somewhere in -20 degree weather 😂 great idea lol

@ironclaw6969

Жыл бұрын

@@SteegeFish That's what chase vehicles are for, that and the external camera views going down the road. It would do well to have at least one reliable ICE vehicle along.

@SteegeFish

Жыл бұрын

@@ironclaw6969 well yea or else they would be screwed 😂

@ironclaw6969

Жыл бұрын

@@SteegeFish I certainly wouldn't trust the Hummer that made it less than 250 miles on the odometer before breaking down in the middle of traffic.

I'd like to see the results of that Hummer towing in inclement weather and towing a full camper, I don't know to many people that camp with an empty trailer lol

@andrewgilbreath1331

Жыл бұрын

What's the point it couldn't handle it empty.

@dalegehrig8494

Жыл бұрын

They picked a trailer that was close to the maximum towing weight of the Hummer already. So you would need to start with a lighter trailer anyway. These EVs just SUCK for towing, PERIOD

Thanks lads

I bet that $40 charge he mentioned would only be for one charge 120 miles so it would be $120 total and at least 1 1/2 hours to charge not 15 minutes to fill up diesel. Still like the Hummer because it’s nice but they don’t compare when driving distance

@thebubba1

Жыл бұрын

15 minutes is pretty slow for refueling. it only takes me about 5 or so minutes to put 45 gallons in my ram 4500

@zepman9200

Жыл бұрын

Also, don't forget the government has increased all fossil fuel prices in order to push the electric vehicle narrative. Secondly, where do you think the electricity is coming from to charge the electric vehicles? Hint, fossil fuels. Electric vehicles cost more to produce in carbon footprint than a fossil fuel vehicle. Volvo did a 5 year study, that didn't include any recharging of the battery, maintenance, etc. A new mid sized sedan can be driven 52,000 miles before the carbon footprint equals that of the electric vehicle production cost. A truck, example the hummer, you can drive a fossil fueled truck 92,000 miles before the carbon footprint equals that of the electric vehicle production cost.

I was seriously considering trading in my F150 and putting my name on the Lightning or new GM electric truck. Thanks to your videos, NO WAY!

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

Definitely just upgrade from f150 to f250. Their will be lots of people who will want to buy it when you're done because they need a hard working tough truck compared to pavement princess lifestyle type Hummer

@ryanduchaine3994

Жыл бұрын

You were ACTUALLY SERIOUS?... Lmao... You OBVIOUSLY didn't do ANY RESEARCH and just believed the HYPE?...

Interesting results. I would like to see a comparison when towing over a pass in winter.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

Жыл бұрын

I bet that Hummer wouldn't go 80 miles.

@DragonZer0

Жыл бұрын

@@Randy_Savage_ohyeah Damn sure know the ford lighting wouldn't as Hoovie Garage proved that recently lol!

@adamnofsinger6564

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonZer0 yeah 💀 not to mention how bad battery's in general do in the cold. And when moving with the batterys on the bottom of the car while the roads are covered in ice. Then yeah. Electric will always lose

@LawMan62

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Cold battery, heater on, headlights on, maybe wipers ... losing battle! Even Ford said not to run the heater if possible in winter!

@CabanonGuitarHero

Жыл бұрын

@@adamnofsinger6564 yeah and those bastards here with 6 months of winter want to push it down our throat more and more electric vehicle. I mean, in bright summer that's probably OK, but in winter, it's a no-go. the no ICE sales by 2035 is unrealistic. everyone knows it except them.

Well done guys.

Useful comparison. Thanks! Now I'm wondering how much range I'd lose if I had a super lightweight camper in the bed or a Ford Lightening or Chevy Silverado EV. I recently drove my little Chevy Bolt EV from California to Brazil without much problem but I only was carrying basic cargo (including a spare tire in the hatchback plus a portable electric fridge-freezer but nothing super heavy of course). I'd love to have a EV pickup with some kind off reasonably comfortable camper to take on long-distance trips into Latin America but without taking a super big hit on range. Driving slower helps ALOT I've discovered. Including letting the foot off on uphills. The Bolt shows a constant real-time display of kW so you can see the effect of speed and hills clearly.

Can’t wait to see how those EV trucks are going to perform when pulling a trailer when the temperature drops to the 20°s and bellow

@shadowbanned5164

Жыл бұрын

To be fair in extreme low temps diesels struggle as well...For me electrics arent an option yet but I think they will get there in the end I need at least 1000 miles in range and fast charging capability which apparently the new blade batteries due next year can do..Have to wait and see.

@warhound7781

Жыл бұрын

Low temperatures don't affect diesel engines as much as you think. Millions of diesel powered semi trucks run all season long when the temps are 100+ or -40 hauling up to 80,000 pounds. No ev on the market is going to come close to that currently.

@petewick8627

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowbanned5164 turn a blind eye

@shadowbanned5164

Жыл бұрын

@@warhound7781 Low temperatures do affect diesels those trucks you are talking about take special measures to ensure they run in low temperatures and if they shut down for too long it takes a lot to get them started again.

@warhound7781

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowbanned5164 Try again, it's not the 1970s with mechanical injection, poor viscosity oils and untreated fuel. Never had an issue where sub zero cold weather has prevented any diesel truck I had from starting in the last 30 years. But what do I know...lmao

I think I noticed a price of 43 cents per KWH on the charger. That's almost 4 times what I'm paying for my service at home. Like you said EVs are toys at this point.

@thenomadrhodes

Жыл бұрын

Evs are for idiots and rich people who want to virtual signal and not actually do anything or get anything done.

@eddarby469

Жыл бұрын

What is the conversion to $/mi?

@TEDSRR

Жыл бұрын

@Ed Darby i believe he said he was getting 0.6 miles/kwh so you would need 1.66 kwh to go 1 mile. $.43×1.66kwh = $0.7138/mile

@eddarby469

Жыл бұрын

@@TEDSRR thanks! So the diesel pickup truck got about 6 mpg? While towing? So at $4/gal we're running alot closer than I expected.

@TEDSRR

Жыл бұрын

@Ed Darby the diesel was getting 9.7 mpg. Here in CT diesel is $6 gallon so a little over $0.60 per mile in the diesel vs $0.70 in the hummer assuming your juicing up at a fast charging stainless

Excellent replies to the comments from everyone. We can all see that there is nothing to gain from going green and everything to lose! Just the way for those in power to maintain the power they have and to control us working people. The old chant people what do you have to lose? Nothing but your chains kind of mean something once again

Mercedes makes Diesel Plug ins for some of their cars, i think that combo would be interesting for pickup trucks. A small diesel combined with a 25-30kwh battery or so. The diesel is enough to maintain cruising speed on long journeys and would get great mileage. Daily commute and errands could be done on battery alone, power and torque should be plenty from the two engines, even Volvo plug ins get 400+ hp now lol

Love to see the same test in other conditions. Rain, snow, or real cold

The walk-in talkie discussions are BRUTAL

Picture 4k families driving their EV’s and campers all headed to the mountains to camp…. Pure entertainment!!!🤣🤣🤣

Good video. It was enjoyable

I work in disaster management and was just in Florida. The salt water storm surge was causing ion lithium batteries in electric vehicles and bicycles catching fire. I saw numerous houses that were not only flooded but also burned to the ground from the vehicle batteries melting down. Also thank you for the video I've been wondering how far an electric vehicle could tow a camper. My camper weighs about 9000lbs with all our gear w/o water on board. There's no way the hummer could pull it.

@buddyrojek9417

Жыл бұрын

Interesting . Australia is going all electric batteries

@thetazva

Жыл бұрын

Oh it could pull it, just not very far.

@jamiebuckley1769

Жыл бұрын

this electric vehical thing is all a bunch of political bullshit and i dont like it one bit.

@christopherbarthlow4369

Жыл бұрын

While I like the idea of alternative fuel sources I don't think the technology is quite there yet.

@christopherbarthlow4369

Жыл бұрын

Let's look back in history steam and then internal combustion was also seen as a novelty and not useful.

The true struggles right there, need to find a charger and then sit and wait for others to get done, sounds like a blast...... hours sitting around to charge up and to wait for others to get done

@EMDSD40T2

Жыл бұрын

I predict charging station rage will become a thing.

@ZoeyTaylor1994

Жыл бұрын

I know there’s probably thousands of people with the same name, but is this Alaska Zack?

@4alphazulu

Жыл бұрын

​@@EMDSD40T2 Yup. Just wait for it. It's coming

@nawzy202

Жыл бұрын

Ev fanatics will tell you it's awesome they get to stretch their legs get some lunch and coffee

@zoobrizz

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I am completely convinced that I DON’T want a E Truck in the near future. 👎

cool concept, I wish I had spare time to test out two trucks

I think the most interesting aspect of the E-Hummer , when it comes to towing, isn't that it's electric... It is that it has rear wheel steering It would be fun to do an obstacle course where you have to tow a trailer across a tight and puzzling layout first of all, the tighter turning radius of the rear steer will be an advantage and secondly, you will crab steer while towing a trailer, something which I think is probably a first on KZread

2018 Cummins RAM 3500 Single rear wheel stick shift owner here. This should be fascinating video! 👍

@richardj163

Жыл бұрын

Bet that’s a joy to drive!

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

Oh baby a stick shift

Andre said his charge up would’ve only cost him $40, but he only went half as far and only charged half his battery. So it would’ve ended up costing him more if it was a true miles-miles comparison, right? Plus the 1hour of additional time to charge.

@michaelweston1042

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well. Electric isn't practical beyond short distances and in this example everything costs twice as much. At minimum. I would be curious as to how a hybrid would do however. It should also be noted that the ev's lose efficiency as they age.

@michaelweston1042

Жыл бұрын

@Non-Woke Guy I don't doubt that.

@michaelweston1042

Жыл бұрын

@Non-Woke Guy True, it's laughable and states like california are going to mandate everyone use these vehicles. Let me remind you california gets 1/3 of it's electric out of state as it is. Let's just power everything with fairy dust. They gotta have that market cornered.

@davidchoate512

Жыл бұрын

It cost over $15,000 to change out an ev battery. So what poor or middle class person has that kind of money???? Like I said, let’s get rid of rich white climate alarmists.

@wasidanatsali6374

Жыл бұрын

I watched a Hummer EV road trip video. The guy said the manual said it was best to completely deplete the battery before recharging so he had to drive his Hummer EV around a mall with the heat going for about a half hour before he could charge it. How green is that? 😂

Well done very realistic

Im glad I didn’t try to consolidate a Chevy Bolt and a 3/4 ton Cummins for a Ford Lightning. Watching TFL videos reinforced my decision.

So basically if you put two drivers in both trucks from LA to NY departing at the same time the Ram would be in NY by the time the Hummer got to KC🤣🤣🤣

@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@THX..1138

Жыл бұрын

No cuz they woulda given up trying to tow through the mountains when the hummer's range dropped to below 70 miles and they didn't make the next charging station.

@phillerma4145

Жыл бұрын

Go Ram👏

@LovesGrilling

Жыл бұрын

He would go roundtrip before the ev would go one way.

@smithwrx5910

Жыл бұрын

Only people doing that are cannonball runner's. If you owned Hummer you would charge at your home 99. 999999999999 percent of the time. Why are you so worried about the less than one percent yet forgot how less the one percent pays less in taxes than you.

My 2004 Dodge 5.9 Cummins that I’ve owned since new (cost me 33k in Golden Colorado) gets 20+ unloaded x 35 gallons=700 miles range. I also have the same size trailer and get about 15 mpg fully loaded with dirt bikes etc. Under the same conditions on I-76.

@errickkitchin36

Жыл бұрын

Pre emissions diesels were amazing on fuel for their time. The newer ones a extremely choked, but I'd still pick anything ICE over Ev.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

@@errickkitchin36 with more electric vehicles it would be nice if they would relax on some of the emissions so reliability could go up with a few less componenets needing paid for. Keeping them out of the junkyards for longer

@errickkitchin36

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAnnoyingBoss Your point makes perfect sense, so it'll never happen.

@johnjames5842

Жыл бұрын

@@errickkitchin36 we delete all that emissions BS on all our work trucks, that crap constantly breaks and is a waste of money and time.

using a phone while driving with no hands on the wheel ! what a good advert in a driving show

In Australia we have signs along the road which advise us to stop revive survive every 2 hours. This corresponds roughly with the range of the Hummer towing a caravan. 200 miles is over 3 hours behind the wheel. How often does one drive 300 miles towing a caravan without stopping? Caravanning is generally a leisure activity, so how important is the time spent charging up vs fueling up, when one could be enjoying a feed and a stretch as it happens?

Kase is a rising star for TFL definitely a great team member!

I love these ev segments you have. They have solidified that I definitely do not want an ev.

Better with no pollution thanks guys for the future generation and they will improved

I see Ram is talking about the Revolution having a range extender on board for situations just like this. I am looking forward to when you guys get one of those to test it so we can see if we will be able to work around this pretty serious towing limitation with the battery energy density we have available today. The Hummer EV with 200kw of battery is the most of any EV on the road so clearly current battery tech just doesn't cut it. Hopefully the range extender will come to the rescue for towing and heavy work applications.

@ianrobertson1952

Жыл бұрын

Got a lot to do with the motor tech too

Let's do the same test 5-10yrs down the road after the battery has degraded and the diesel truck will still have all its power. That would be interesting

@231pilot

Жыл бұрын

10 year old trucks = 9 MPG vs 60 miles 🤣

@Antonyg2100

Жыл бұрын

or even in the winter how much faster that battery drains

@jghall00

Жыл бұрын

Sure, but track the cost of diesel maintenance and repairs too. These batteries are cooled. They don't degrade quickly.

@msclecarcrzy

Жыл бұрын

@@jghall00 Yeah keep telling yourself that. There's no way an electric vehicle will outlast a diesel. The cost of diesel is high because of the current administration. Bring the prices down and the diesel blows the electric crap out of the water.

@nicksmith4808

Жыл бұрын

@@231pilot my truck is 10 years old and gets 18 around town and 22-24 highway. Soooooo

These videos will be used in history lessons in another 100 years. You guys are really showing the progression of the electric vehicle against what could be the last generation of the I.C.E. There is no way an electric vehicle could replace my truck at this point but at the rate things are evolving I could possibly see it in another 10 years.

@jamaicasysbm2580

Жыл бұрын

Nope

@231pilot

Жыл бұрын

Batteries need 2-3X the energy density before an electric truck would make sense for towing.

@browndogstt8546

Жыл бұрын

@@231pilot and the ability to charge in a reasonable time! But they are improving.

I still love my old 6.5 GM diesels. Plenty of power for normal pulling like on this clip and 15 to 20+ mpg.

@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531

Жыл бұрын

Nice!👍

Thank you good video

Diesel truck can also fill right up to 100% of its range in 5-10 minutes at the pump. Not 30-60 minutes just to go from 20%-70% (which is only 50% total).

@anderander5662

Жыл бұрын

The whole infrastructure will have to change if it takes 60 minutes to charge your vehicle....what are you going to do during that time? ....going to have to be cafes, coffee shops and restrooms or in my state a place to get out of the heat.

@ethandonivan5175

Жыл бұрын

@@anderander5662 the lines will be horrid too

@rusty2381

Жыл бұрын

I know, my girlfriend has a Tesla. So inconvenient letting it charge while we're shopping instead of stopping at a gas station and paying more than three times as much for the same distance. Or that 30 minutes we had to stop every three hours when we drove up from LA. And don't get me started on those silly solar panels we got that cover our house's energy consumption and generate enough to get 600 miles every month before we start consuming from the grid. EV: Upfront espensive ICE: Long term expensive

@capt2278

Жыл бұрын

I thought he want from 7% to 50% in that 40 minutes time. This also confused me. if it took him nearly 100% charge to get to charging station, how will he get back to denver with only 50% of the charge?

@Stackali

Жыл бұрын

@@rusty2381 yeah but it will take a while to spend the difference in cost compared to an EV. 68k vs 115k. gonna take a while to spend that much in gas and maintenance.

No one is talking about that generator charging it 😂😂

@ronaldking1054

Жыл бұрын

No one is talking about the fact that you get 11 gallons of diesel from a 42-gallon barrel of oil either. No one is talking that the barrel of oil is priced at $80+, which means your diesel is underpriced, and that diesel is still more expensive than the electricity, which is profitable in each stage.

@thesunflowchannel1995

Жыл бұрын

Gotta take into account the amount of diesel that uses 😂

@mauricemotors8207

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldking1054 Diesel also doesn’t just overheat and catch fire like a ev battery

@JimbobZ17

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldking1054 diesel is a by product of gas. Used to be cheaper than regular gas. Consumers have been getting ripped off for years now.

@ronaldking1054

Жыл бұрын

@@JimbobZ17 This is what happens when the product is no longer a byproduct, but it is the real product. In other words, diesel couldn't be used for as many vehicles as it is, which is exactly why the price is too low, but for some reason, these economics escape you. The only people who have been getting ripped off is the guy you are selling your vehicle to.

I like how this kid blocks two pumps and takes time to make a phone call lol

what was behind that giant gray box thing at the EA charging station ? sounded like a diesel generator. Very green

One thing not mentioned was the wasted time charging , Also I noticed in the charging cost if they had to pay was $37.75 . The Cummins cost for fuel was 75.00 and went twice the distance as compared to the Hummer . So the hummer costing more per mile to drive than the Dodge , I'd love to see how long that pretty hummer would stand up on the farm pulling gravity bins full of grain. I'd also like to see the hummer after 350,000 miles and how long before the battery would need to be replaced . I have a 2008 Ram 6.7 cummins with over 200,000 miles and still looks and runs like new .

@rsdaarud

Жыл бұрын

$101 due to credit card maxing out at $75, so reset was needed, which is annoying!

@blmartech

Жыл бұрын

If it was a toyota, at 200k it would just be breaking in

@giancarlolugo9586

Жыл бұрын

@@blmartech 200K it's like 100k miles on a Toyota and any diesel truck to be honest.

@tylerhunt7552

Жыл бұрын

I worked at a grain elevator for five years. It would be very interesting. Those wagons are no joke. They are HEAVY. I think you would make one trip into the elevator and the hummer would be about dead lol

@dp9324

Жыл бұрын

For comparison, Ford is stating that, worst case, an F-150 Lightning owner would have to replace their entire battery pack every 5 or so years...at a cost of $35K! Can you imagine the disappointment of having to put another $7,000 a year ($583/month) into battery-related maintenance on a $100,000+ truck?!?!

Kase is killing it again. We need more videos with him in it! Good job dude.

@cliffordmontana4562

Жыл бұрын

Any video without Tommy is great. Tommy seems like a good dude, but he’s unbearable to watch and listen to. He’s got a face for radio and a voice for deaf people.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

@@cliffordmontana4562 tommy is great

@cliffordmontana4562

Жыл бұрын

I beg to differ. His dad Roman owns TFL. If he didn’t, do you think Tommy would be reviewing vehicles? He’s absolutely terrible! I don’t have anything against him and he seems like a good dude, but it doesn’t mean he’s good at his job. He’s a dork and literally painful to watch and listen to.

18:40 Definitely a straight-piped squatted truck driving past 😂

I’m towing a 5200lbs Grand Design with my Ford F150 PowerBoost around the country and averaging 9-11mpg @ 60mph. I’d say both of these are doing pretty good.

Just imagine if GM said "Just kidding, we are actually putting a Duramax in the hummer..."

@Steadierpark

Жыл бұрын

😂that would be epic.

It's so cool to live in Colorado and know the places that you're trying to make it to. Really gives it real world context

@bobkonradi1027

Жыл бұрын

Same for me. Well said. When TFL talks about going up the big hill on the "Ike" I'm right with them, and its difficult to appreciate if you've never driven it, even in a car with no trailer.

@mboiko

Жыл бұрын

Very true...live in Northern New England (NH)…but having spent 5.5 years driving up/down I-70/I-25 and all around the front range living in Lakewood Colorado, I feel pretty much the same way you do, about real-world context.

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

They live in unique area. Lots of mountains to test on and even the exact opposite too. It's a great location for automotive testing

An interesting extended test for this scenario...is there even more efficiency loss on the ev after the first 350 kW fast charge? The battery is already hot after the first leg of the trip, then you dump a full recharge into it at 350 kW (or do you only half charge it because you know you are tearing up the battery), then get back on the road with the motors and electric inverters still hot...does the range deteriorate even further?

I do small deliveries for a company I work for at most. It's a ton or 2 in a trailer on a pickup they want to go electric. The more i watch these towing comparisons, the more interesting i think it's going to be.

Made a run from Augusta GA to Los Angeles CA in my Duramax. Pulling 5 tons I made the trek in 2 days using 232 gallons of diesel. On the way back same route in a 2 day run I used 138 gallons of diesel with no load. For one I made a round trip nearly coast to coast in 4 days. Second, if I had to stop and charge for 1 hour after every 2 hours of driving it would take me a week or more just to drive in one direction let alone the return trip. Electric vehicles especially those trying to fit in with the HD truck world are an absolute joke. DEF is also a joke. Green handle life for more me rolling coal for all to see.

@user-rn3rn6nl3h

Жыл бұрын

Diesel baby.

@chrisc5574

Жыл бұрын

I agree the emissions equipment is a waste of time and in the long run probably worse for the environment but rolling coal is not helping...making the point of the environmentalist

@rsdaarud

Жыл бұрын

Plus you get that beautiful, beautiful symphony of diesel clatter!

@smexypolak

Жыл бұрын

Truck gang

@awhsum1

Жыл бұрын

Not only that but these green vehicles are not as green as they want you to believe. You have to mine the lithium, which is very "ungreen", parts are mostly manufactured using non green energy, etc. Battery life/ cost to replace also is not cheap. Plus if no charging ports you have to charge via.... generators.

What people dont seem to know yet is... the faster you charge the faster you wear out a battery.

@heinrichbier4759

Жыл бұрын

Plus faster means maybe only 80% of potential capacity

@Tonyx.yt.

Жыл бұрын

and a big impact on battery wear is also what percentage you charging from. keep the battery between 50-80% greatly increase battery longevity, 20-80% is ok and 0-100 on regular basis is far worse

@MrTheguywiththemoney

Жыл бұрын

@@Tonyx.yt. really you should never go below 20%

@noneyabizz8337

Жыл бұрын

I saw someone say "this isn't a phone!" That's how ignorant some people are.

@derekk6906

Жыл бұрын

That is why the promised 300 mile range is never 300 miles between chargers, more like 60% of the 300 miles.

I'm a Chevy/GM guy but for this one I'm rooting for the Ram.

Comes down to “what’s your precious time worth” unfortunately this EV truck “thing” is not practical for the average person. Great content guys! Your showing the world what can and can’t be done.

@t_c5266

Жыл бұрын

Plus all the additional secret costs in an EV. Not only are you wasting your time when you charge. Adding hours to an already too long trip. But you're going to, in some cases, add additional hotel stays, or days to your trip, to accommodate the time necessary to charge. and on top of that, there is already a $20,000-$30,000 price increase already from one of these EVs. thats a lot of fuel...

@ronaldking1054

Жыл бұрын

Wow. The average person puts more than 300 miles onto their vehicle in a day? 12,724 miles are put on vehicles on average per year according to Kelley Blue Book, which means that on average a person puts on 34 miles on their vehicle per day, which even towing is not a problem for an EV. I guess your definition of average is different than statistics, mathematics, and science. Is it based on your feeling?

@oldbloke100

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldking1054 A working truck will do a hell of a lot more miles a day than the average person.

@ronaldking1054

Жыл бұрын

@@oldbloke100 And yet the OP is stating "the average person". What were you talking about again? What's worse is that you are trying to claim that work truck isn't used to calculate the mileage on the average vehicle. What's worse on top of that is that for some reason you are claiming that the truck doesn't have long periods of being idle as well, so I am not sure when that work truck is going to be driving on its own. A delivery vehicle would have more miles than a work truck.

@ronaldking1054

Жыл бұрын

@@t_c5266 What vehicle do you want me to prove that the trim level you claim on the ICE is not $20k-$30k more expensive than the same trim level on an electric vehicle? I'll look them up and prove that the difference is less than $10k, and with the Lightning, the trim level is probably cheaper. with what you get at any of the trim levels if one assumes that the ICE needs to be a 4 x 4. Pro, XL, Lariat, Platinum versus XL, Lariat, Platinum, King Ranch, and yet for some reason a Lariat is a Lariat when the Lariat of an EV has more features closer to the Platinum of the ICE. Without your trim increase, you don't get a lot of fuel, and you spend a lot more because your use case is not heavily in the area where public charging is necessary. You need that because even a 50 / 50 split makes it so that home utility ends up being cheaper than the ICE vehicle as you buy 2.5 gallons to do one gallon worth of work. You aren't paying $3.88 or $5. You are paying $9.70 or $12.50 versus at $.16 / kW $5.39. What is even better is that a person can beat $.16 generation on their own, and you cannot make your own fuel for that engine easily. The Lariat is easy because a dealer did it proving the difference was $6k. If you cannot compare an apple to an apple, there is no conversation with you as your bias is your proof to your belief, and your bias is my proof that you will never be rational.

Love the exhaust break and the trailer tow down shift, hardly have to use the brakes.

Great job as usual. I would be interested to watch a similar video: How Far Can a Diesel and Electric Truck Tow An Identical Camper Trailer on $100 of energy/fuel.

@charlespleydell6746

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same, but the cost per kWh varies hugely when you compare home charging vs public chargers... at least it does in UK.

Great video. Those EV trucks are heavy. The mechanics are great, just waiting on a few more battery advancements.

When I was a full time RVer, I used to get about 325-350 miles of range. I tow at 62mph, so I was always about 5 hours of driving. I can't even imagine an EV.

@evictioncarpentry2628

Жыл бұрын

It would be the same. Except 1 hour driving. 4 hours charging.

@jimkelly1578

Жыл бұрын

@@evictioncarpentry2628 If you can get a fast charger.

The one thing I havent heard you guys mention is that if you look inside of an electric vehicle owners manual. There is an algorithm of how many fast charges that you are supposed to perform per slow charges. As you surpass that your battery warranty starts to get cut down. So if you have a battery issue at year 5 and your warranty goes to 6 years but you used fast charging alot your warranty might be out.

@djw1091994

Жыл бұрын

Can you give a rough example of what ratio fast charges to normal charges?

@favss10

Жыл бұрын

@@djw1091994 approx 4 slow charges to every 1

@noelleonard2498

Жыл бұрын

Will make a very expensive lawn ornament after 3 years or so.

@robcrissinger776

Жыл бұрын

Most truck owners over 75% don't tow 1 time a year and the 25 % or less a few times a month $38000 in inflation adjusted dollars savings

@robcrissinger776

Жыл бұрын

Most drivers don't average 200 miles a week That means you'd hardly use a vDC charger and would use nighttime reduced charge rates of under, $.12 cents a Kw

2022 Eco-Diesel Ram Limited 1500 towing my 4500lbs travel trailer was averaging 21mpg. Pair that with a 33 gallon gas tank.

i have the 2019 ram cummins 2500 - it's a beast - luv my truck - 13mpg towing a 28' travel trailer

The word clusterfuck comes to mind everytime I see an electric truck review. And a paper weight in California during the summers of rolling blackouts

@dp9324

Жыл бұрын

And an even bigger paperweight in cold, northern climates in the Winter!

That cracked me up when he said the other guy thinks the hummer ev isn’t a heavy duty truck, so let’s take a look under the hood😂

I never heard you say what size rear end gear was in the ram, 410 or 373 that will make a big difference. My 2001 ram Cummins has 355 rear and gets great fuel mileage.

quite a coincidence to have a good old 12v just happen to be in the shot at 21:17 *wink*... I'm sure he was happy to oblige for free (while LOLing)