At last. A good demonstration of what the van can do in the real world.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

❤😊thank you 👍 most interesting, especially as I'm thinking of getting an electric van for as a camping van I've been driving electric cars for over 10 years

tx for this, quite interesting.

Thanks for that, very reasuring numbers. I have a 75kWh Vivaro on order that I plan to convert to a camper so any information on these vans is very interesting. Can not wait to get the van but it's going to be quite a wait.

@AdrianMcDaid

Жыл бұрын

Be interesting to see the progress of that . Are you going to film it ?

Finally a good overall view on the consumption when "using" it.. Thanks!

@GoGreenAutos

5 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful

Very important topic as the ability to carry all the required equipment is essential to making the transition feasible. Thanks for sharing.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought and the general view is that vans (well all EVs) use a lot more energy when loaded up, so I wanted to test this as I've always thought they didn't use that much more when I've loaded vans up in the past. So this test shows the difference is only 8% and not the >50% often claimed!

@You_Can_Do_If

2 ай бұрын

50% for towing i think

Very interesting and some good tips.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Hi Matt,thanks for the very informative video,it just proves how good electric vehicles are and that to they can be driven economically with or without a lot of extra wieght in them.I own an MG zs ev and since owning it from new it's tought me to be an ecnomical driver without having to hyper mile.Hurry up with your next video.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Many new drivers complain that the range is less than they were expecting, but then they ignore their driving efficiency and just look at range. Look at this and then you see they are driving far too inefficient and using that power! Drive better (which doesn't mean slower) and you can get the manufacturer's WLTP figures in the summer from most vehicles. As for videos, there's about 500 on the channel already...most with very low views, so plenty there to keep you busy. Next video out next Friday. Plenty stacked up to keep them coming out every week over the winter.

@grahamtoyn2912

Жыл бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Thanks for replying Mat.👍

Thank u

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was useful.

60mph is the max speed for a commercial van over 2tonnes max gross weight…on a dual carriageway, so I would be wary of mentioning you are doing 65mph on camera, 70mph only on Motorways, , also note it’s 50mph on A&B roads.👍. PS great video…👍🇮🇲

Thanks for this lovely long video Matt, been a busy week so had to wait to enjoy it. Is it just the Toyota version that has no brake light on regen? I didn't realise they did an all electric van but it seems whatever ev they produce there always has to be some perverse peculiarity to make a new ev driver think they not very good or dangerous as in this case. Anyway this is a great idea and I think an hour or just over is a good enough test and a great format for follow up videos, thanks for taking the time to make it. How oddly prescient your Queen Elizabeth mug was, gave me goose bumps to realise that you couldn't have known she was going to pass away at the time of recording. I nice little tribute nonetheless. Cheers Matt.👍

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. All versions of this van, i.e. the Vauxhall, Citroen & Peugeot are all the same and do not operate the brake lights on regen. Nor do other Stellantis vehicles like the Vauxhall e-Corsa.

@judebrown4103

Жыл бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos oh really?! Gosh I didn't realise, someone somewhere assured me that regen was always marked by brake lights. I shall be alert to that on the road and with future purchases. Thanks again Matt. 👍

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

@@judebrown4103 It does on all other EVs, until these new Stellantis vehicles came along.

@judebrown4103

Жыл бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos well what an odd retrograde step....🤔

There was an interview on fully charged a few years back and all the 50kWh Citroen, Peugeot and Vauxhalls set the regen level to the maximum allowed before they needed to brake lights on.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Sorry...can you reword that as its not clear what you're saying?

@stevejordan4299

Жыл бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos it was the reason all the PSG group cars don't put the brake lights on when using regenerative braking.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

@@stevejordan4299 But the regen is pretty strong on these vans (in B mode) and you can come to almost a stop from any speed. Certainly much stronger than some other EVs which do put on the brake lights.

Thanks we are considering getting one of these vans The Peugeot for a camper that is when if Peugeot New Zealand eventually imports them unfortunately they are only considering importing the 50 KWh and not the people mover versions which is what we would prefer What range do you think we would get on the open road in summer? Cheers

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Obviously depends on driving economy. But assuming "open road" means, no regen, I'd guess about 3mpkWh, so around 135 miles.

I believe the last 25% goes down faster than the first 25% on these batteries.

With regard to the brakelight during regen discussion: I used to use engine braking in my diesel Vectra extensively with similar deceleration rates to the highest regen modes in EVs I've driven, Drivers should always leave sufficient space in front of a vehicle to react to anything, I know many don't but then there's always the opportunity of a personal injury payout 😉 Neither of the two EVs I've driven the most; Smart ForTwo ED (451) and Mitsubishi i-Miev activate their brakelights in their strongest regen modes (I tested them on a long straight road at night with a number of reflective signs that would reflect brakelights). I wonder if the Regen brakelight activation has been a piece of legislation introduced after a particular date?

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

I believe there is legislation on this and there's a certain G force when the brake lights should be activated. Neither the Smart or i-MiEV have particularly strong regen, so could not be reaching that deceleration limit anyway. However, these Stellantis vehicles can, yet no brake lights. I'm surprised they can get away with this.

1. Van speed limit on single and dual carriageway national speed limits are 50 and 60 respectively 2. Regen must show brake lights at a deceleration of 1.3 m/s2 which is 0.132563 G.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Clearly this brake light 'rule' isn't being deployed by PSA/Stellantis as these vans, the e-Corsa and other EVs are not doing this.

That's great! Just wish we could buy these in the US , especially if the range gets close to 300 miles.

The idea of no inertia activated brake lights for regen would make me nervous if using it aggressively. I wonder in what meeting did someone say, 'It'll be ok'.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Other Stellantis vehicles, like the Vauxhall e-Corsa, are the same too.

An electrician on KZread was talking to a bt guy who was driving one of these in central London, must have had the larger battery as it was meant to do over 200 miles. By the time they put all their kit in the back and ladders on the roof, they were getting 70 miles out of the thing before it needed charging, rubbish really.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

I suspect the main issue here is not the weight, but the driving style. I see this all too often. Its very easy for a new EV driver to enjoy the torque and drive their new EV very inefficiently and much faster than they were driving their previous diesel van. With the lack of noise, vibration etc, you don't get the same sense of speed in the new electric vehicle, hence it feels slower than you're actually doing. Ladders and roof racks will increase consumption and reduce range a bit though. But there's no way, that cargo weight and ladders on the roof will reduce the range of a 75kWh van down to 70 miles. That is mostly down to the driver.

If this van is based on a Stellantis vehicle, putting it in Eco mode reduces motor power to 80%, so your comment early in the video about the effects of that mode is inaccurate. Legislation dictates that only EV's with "one peddle" strength regen need put on the brake lights on the overrun, so your comment about briefly tapping the brakes to warn the Audi tailgating you, is a good tip :)

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

The power difference between Eco and Normal modes is hardly noticeable in these vans. Yes, I understood that it was an EU legislation that dictates brake lights coming on, however, in B mode, these vans do have pretty strong regen and is "one peddle" strength. Its very strange they have omitted this.

@colin7898

Жыл бұрын

You don’t put the brake lights on with a petrol/diesel engine when engine braking so why would you expect to put the brake lights on when regen braking? It’s the same thing. There are plenty of cars that don’t put brake lights on with regen. That probably only applies to EV’s with one pedal driving. Fascinating to see what efficiency you got. I have an e-expert van that has done 34,500 miles. If I get >3.0 mi/kWh I’ve had a really good day. You’ve out driven the WLTP range from the manufacturer and that quoted in EV Database. The best I’ve seen whilst owning the van has been 3.0 mi/kWh. I also note that the temperature was 23 degrees. Average for this van is 2.7-2.9 mi/kWh on a van type journey involving motorways and dual carriageways driving about 60-65mph in summer/spring and winter. That’s an average speed around 45mph. The efficiency rockets above 13 degrees and drop to about 2.4-2.6 in winter when it really drops. I slow down to 56-60mph which helps with efficiency. Try running ECO in winter. Heating is next to useless in ECO mode when it’s -1 and below outside! ECO to NORMAL mode efficiency is about 0.1 to 0.2 mi/kWh variation. I bought some heated seat covers but I believe now heated seats are fitted as standard. Also headwinds are a big factor in efficiency. You learn to “lorry surf” to help with range in headwinds. All told though I love the van and the EV driving experience. Won’t be going back to an ICE vehicle.

Worst thing about eletric cars is when new model comes with better range , your car is wothless and everybody want the new one witch the better range :) . they need to think again how they do this , better idea is to have replaceable battery and slots in the car and you can configure your range what you need ! if you need only go 100 km you can take 2 battery with you of 8 battery slots , then you can control the power that you need , if you buy this 75 kw car you always carry the hole battery whatever you need it or not , always drive wery heavy , they need to rethink battery cars , best to have universal battery , you can have everywhere on gas stations . this idea is no good and make you loose alot money when the new better range comes out .

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With respect, if you were driving a diesel & took your foot off the throttle, using the engine to slow the vehicle, after changing down a gear, you'd be driving like your in B mode, would you not? The breaks wouldn't activate either!

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

Engine braking in a diesel is only about 1/10th of what B mode is. B mode is like putting the brakes on harder than you would most of the time. In normal mode (i.e non-B mode) the "engine" braking in this EV is still about 2-3 times stronger than engine braking in a diesel. So in this mode, the brake lights don't need to come on, but in B mode, they really should do and do in all other EVs.

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5k miles and it needs a service? Wtf??? New spark plugs or oil change? Ridiculous.

@GoGreenAutos

Жыл бұрын

It's just turned a year old. Due to legacy manufacturers with dealerships I'm afraid. They would't sell them unless the dealerships can service them every year! It was only an inspection service at £79 inc VAT.

@stulop

Жыл бұрын

My ev went in for a service at 1 year. It was at 9k miles. It was just an inspection and tyre rotation. 56 quid, bargain

@SirHackaL0t.

Жыл бұрын

@@stulop I just had an MoT on my car. Passed with flying colours. No service yet. Repairs, but no service.

@AdrianMcDaid

Жыл бұрын

@@SirHackaL0t. OK.... But it is good to service for your vehicle when required. Oil changes etc

@SirHackaL0t.

Жыл бұрын

@@AdrianMcDaid true, changing the engine oil is important - if you have an engine. As my last post mentioned.