Hello, Curtis and Nathan, my name is William and I'm a main mid laner in BR server. I just want to say that you guys helped me achieve my dream in league and I am so so grateful for everything you do for our community! I've been trying to hit Diamond for 4-5 years but I've always ended up stuck in plat 4. Due to my anxiety and toxic habits, I never thought I could actually get there. I used to blame my teammates, I used to play around 2k soloq games for season, I had two perma-banned accounts due to negative behavior and my self-sabotage used to be my worst enemy. I had no idea what I could do to improve and neither believed I could improve. But then I started therapy in 2019 to understand my thoughts, behavior and emotions and in the meantime I found Curtis' channel. I immediately related to him! I've never been so happy to see someone as passionate about mages as I am. I watched all of your content (especially the one about psychology) and then you guys started this amazing podcast and I've been watching you since the first episode. Well, I'm so glad to share that last week I got Diamond for the first time playing my favorite champion Zoe!! I've grown a lot ever since I found you guys! You teach me patience, discipline, process, focus and so many important lessons that I'm carrying in my life. Thank you so much for your videos! Please keep up the good work! I hope that everyone reading this know anything is possible if you don't give up, go into details and follow the process! You guys are amazing! ❤

@WebberPereira-ux1wt

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Um salve pro meu mano brasileiro!!

@williamguedes1033

Жыл бұрын

​@@WebberPereira-ux1wtsalve!! Muito bom ver que tem outros brasileiros apreciando esse canal maravilhoso 😍

Holy crap! I’m so glad I wrote into you guys first. Thanks for taking my question, and I’ll be sure to hit up charlie later today. I’d more than thrilled to be someone’s experiment

@oxey_

Жыл бұрын

good luck on your way to gold!!

Respectfully, I think Nathan got a bit confused about what was the topic of a hard champ in this specific scenario. Because the conversation started with saying the new champion was really straight forward ( mechanically easy). And then the conversation moved to Diana, and he ended up saying she is "hard" because you need to know when to go in and positioning. But 1) the new champion will be the same, you will have to know when to go in or you will die. 2) I don't feel like you can say a champion is hard because of positioning. You will die on adc if positionned wrong. You will not find success on a peel enchanter sup champ if you go to deep and position wrong. Positioning is important no matter who you play in league of legends. So just going back to my initial point. The topic was, who's an assassin ( like the new one), that is MECHANICALLY easy to play. Because the likes of zed and Akali, are really mechanically complex and intensive( on top of positioning). Diana, like the new champion, are straightforward easy champion in terms of mechanics, but than knowing when to go in, positioning and decision making will make these champion hard in a different way( but not mechanically). Anyway, my small input, cause I felt the conversation was a bit confusing since mechanically hard and other aspect got mixed up. Keep up the good work! Cheers.

I love the summoners school reaction part. For some reason it's so fun to listen to.

Next episode: How Does Riot Create Enchanter Support Champions? Featuring Yuumi, the perfect enchanter support champion.

"Just do your job" is huge, plenty of games where I'm not carrying, maybe even doing poorly, but one good MF ult can decide a game. My job is to look for those game winning ults! Even if I'm 1-5!

I love when you start to raise questions and discuss deep about one single point, there's literally so much we can say about one little aspect of the game

I find the Vex hate so shocking because I view her as such a utility orientated champ instead of a strict assassin. An empowered E is as useful as half of the champions in the games ultimate's when used properly in a teamfight. She's my favorite champion because I love poking people down with E+Q, I see her through the lens of a control mage who has the flexibility to be an assassin when it's needed. The creativity aspect is why she and Asol are my mains.

As a Vex main, I don't love that "once I go in, I either kill or get punished." But unlike those people who INSIST that this makes Vex uncomfortable to play, I embrace how Vex has weaknesses along with her strengths, just like any other champion.

@angulinhiduje6093

Жыл бұрын

i play lethality vi mid and she exactly what riot tried to create with naafiri. she has no mechanics, especially after they made q flash super easy. you can get in for free with ult, but you cant get out at ALL so you better make your engage count

@skaylingop9673

Жыл бұрын

You had me up until the Very end. There are some (newer) champions that just have completely dogshit designs and completely lack healthy counter play and the only way to keep them in check is to nerf them into the ground. By this I mean, generally, they lose because they mess up, not be you outplayed them. - the lack of counter play for so many new champs is disgusting.

@bullettime1116

Жыл бұрын

​@@skaylingop9673some champions outplay is more related to macro then micro.

Curtis being some passionate about vex has definitely convinced me to give it a go, the syndra recommendation has been giving me some confidence after coming back from a four year break

Regarding the discussion you were having about doubling down on a fundamental and how you can’t really compensate for other skills (minute 56), I definitely agree that you can’t completely ignore some fundamentals and just rely on one skill alone. That being said, the way I interpreted the Reddit comment is that he’s trying to simplify the identity that the player should have when playing the game which is often times champ dependent but can also be player dependent. For example, I’m a player that likes to scale so I tend to play champions like Jinx, Vayne and my plan is always survive, avoid unnecessary fights, get to my items, and carry late. So I believe the advice is identify what part of the game you enjoy, pick the champs that fit that playstyle, and play to their identity and often you’ll find if you enjoy this playstyle, you will perform better at it. Tldr: if you like farming play scaling, if you like skirmishing play early game duelers, and if you like strategy, play supportive roamers (Galio, shen, etc). Love love love the podcast, been listening nonstop for the last 7 months.

Found you guys recently, love the content. Ive been playing Wild Rift since about launch and its the first time ive taken rank and my performance in a MOBA game seriously in my 10 years of playing. Ive made it to D4 in Jungle and hit a wall. Coaches like Neace and players like Darkbreaker made me feel like i was justified in my belief that the game was out of my control. Since then i came to an acceptance after talking with ex casters that i just didnt know the game the way i thought i did. I swapped to mid and began to climb to learn the role and planned on doing the same with all roles. Thats how i found yall and have been blown away by the amount of learning i had ahead of me. Thank yall for all you do for the community

I will be stealing the phrase "Dragons are a luxury". As a jungler, I'm so sick of my bot lanes pinging me to contest dragon while they are in base after dying 2v2 for the 3rd time in a row

@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi

Жыл бұрын

This is a very personal take from my exp: I wish Baron didnt exists. The ammount of games we throw a lead and delay it just bc team wants baron.. its insane. Jungle is sooo mentally draining.

I think Quinn actually plays into those easy choices that Riot mentions for an assassin. With the simplicity of her kit, it’s all about positioning, Mobility and speed.

the most confidence giving episode ever

Hey guys how i can join charlie server

Hi Curtis, can I ask which champions are the approved ones in the below gold mid lane academy ? Out of curiosity

@bensparrow3356

Жыл бұрын

I'm not 100% sure since I'm not on the discord but since no one else replied yet I'll have a crack based on what Curtis has talked about in other episodes : Vex Asol Ekko Diana Malzahar Veigar Lux Seraphine Galio Lissandra Pantheon Swain Ahri This list +/- one or two champions should just about cover it. Shok is another OCE mid laner that has in depth discussions on low elo champion pools although I think they would disagree about a couple of options.

@BrokenByConcept

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Annie, Anivia, Asol, Diana, Ekko, Galio, Lux, Malz, Panth, Seraphine, Swain, Veigar, Vex, Viktor, Zed

@bensparrow3356

Жыл бұрын

@@BrokenByConcept I was pretty close actually. I'm surprised to see Zed on here though. Have your MLS clients had success with him?

@RA-LT

Жыл бұрын

@@BrokenByConcept Thank you very much! What are your thoughts on Neeko?

@ShadowMomentum

Жыл бұрын

​@@BrokenByConcept Do you coach any champion in the Gold+ MLA? Asking as an Ezreal mid one trick. Also, secondary question out of curiosity: With the new Emerald rank and Riot's intentions for shifting the ranks, next split theoretically anyone who is currently Silver 2 to Gold.4 will be Gold, and anyone Gold 3+ should be Plat. Will you change the MLA requirements accordingly, eg shifting it to Plat+ for next split or no?

Good stuff again guys!

A couple of thoughts 15 min in: I think people want versatility with their champions because it's essentially just a form of compensation when you do things incorrectly. So if you went in but didn't get a kill because you for example focused the wrong target, then you can still get out without needing to reflect why it was bad or went wrong. Also on the Diana vs Yasuo, Diana can absolutely 1v1 Yasuo once she gets her first core item, because she outscales him in terms of raw stats per level. He wins pre-6 in the early trades, but as long you're not behind after that, you win the matchup every time. So I think it's weird that people have this notion that Diana is bad into Yasuo because she's not. She can't take early trades well because as an AD champion he will do more damage than you can do to him, but you can still whittle him down with your Q and fish for an all-in once you're 6. It's like Garen into Darius or something like that. Bad early laning but outscales as the game goes on. So I think the question "how do I deal with Yasuo as Diana?" seems to be a fundamentally wrong question to ask to begin with. You don't "deal" with Yasuo as Diana in the early stages of the laning phase. Your job is to survive until you get your core item and then you can 1v1 him easily.

Can't wait to try the dog in the jungle xD

Where is the adc coach disc guys?

10:20 that's funny i really love getting another dash on ahri *if* i get the kill. good risk/reward design imo and a balanced way to allow high mobility unlike champs like yone who refuse to not just dash all over the place.

Hello Nathan and Curtis. You said in the episode that you don't believe in one fundamental compensating for other fundamentals. However, do you believe in limiting fundamentals, such as you can improve in several of them but if you don't improve the One (let's say CSing for instance), you can be stuck in your level of play ?

What’s charlie full discord???

any chance we can get a solo queue update from y'all?

As a top laner, I always felt like the whole minimizing deaths thing should be more controversial than it actually is. I've actually found my improvement process to be MUCH better following Baus's ideology that top laners are broken with the type of champ and XP lead they have, and can make plays against other lanes even when behind, so top laners that are behind should be the playmakers for their team and playing more risky than normal because they don't give up as much gold if they die, and their team can claim bounties in response.

Can we get a deep dive on positioning next episode please?

No fucking shit you guys were the founder and head coach of Dire Wolves haha, I haven't heard of that org in forever since I don't watch OCE, but it brings back some nice memories.

learning how to fight and learning what you can actually fight like u will have a hard time killing a mundo as a fizz also I think learning the value of farming and staying in lane is really key to even have impact in this game like no one cares how good u can fight u not gonna outfight someone that has 1 item more than u and is 2 level ahead of u like I could 1v1 u with one finger no matter how good of a player u think u are

I was trying to figure out for like 15min who this dyna champion might be

Not having a lot to do with this episode, but I have been watching Dr.K videos and I have noticed that there is a lot that overlaps between the "Journey" that you guys often talk about, and Dr.K lessons on psychology. The video in specific is "Models of Personality and Success using Ayurveda". It would be interesting to hear you talk about it.

In reddit they just posted about a book in League of Legends. Would love your take on it, and also, when you guys are publishing the BBC Guide to League?

@BrokenByConcept

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a link?

Hey boys thanks for picking up my summoner school post. I may have misunderstood your reply but I think your tldr is you’re saying it doesn’t really work to look at 1-2 skills in isolation to climb? Cheers

@HanyuuHOLO

Жыл бұрын

Basically what Curtis & Nathan ended up agreeing on is that focusing on a very key aspect of the champion you play can and will be greatly beneficial; for example, Malzahar's R is pretty much the entire champion, his whole identity revolves around it, hence focusing solely on having great quality R's on him will probably get you to gold. However, they do not think this applies to fundamentals, as focusing on solely ONE fundamental is impossible because fundamentals are intertwined. For example, you can't "farm the enemy" if you can't trade, you can't trade if you can't manage the wave, and you can't manage the wave if you can't cs properly.

I was watching your video on neace. I find his coaching stuff useful (ive always avoided his gameplay/personal vids) but ive never really vibed with his attitude. the issue is I dont know who else to watch. He uploads constantly, for multiple roles. and other coaches arent doing that. Eg curtis uploads twice a month on main channel and 0 in 5 months on the MLA (and i dont even play mid often). While Nathan coaches jungle (the role I dont play) I dont really use twitch or other streaming sites but i dont mind watching coaches vods on other sites as well as youtube. I play mainly supp/ADC and flex top if i need. Do you recommend any coaches? (Specifically coaching not just gameplay). (also if anyone sees this comment please suggest people to watch!)

"Everyone hates Vex". I'm a Vex main and I like her because she is a mage/assassin hybrid ☺️

@BrokenByConcept

Жыл бұрын

I love Vex too! - Curtis

@Obzerver

Жыл бұрын

Vex is my second most played this season and it feels like she's just frequently so underwhelming. The highlight is getting resets and chaining into a triple kill or more. The low point is missing the initial ult and literally nothing happens. Its feels worse than dying, you're just sitting there like "what do I even do with my life now". One thought I had as they were talking that I would bring up if I was on the design team: make the ult reset on any takedown after you hit it, not just the hit target. Would open up some cool plays and make the champ less one-dimensional.

Maining milio since release and peaked my highest rank with him. He hasn't changed at all. The nerf has just hit the numbers, not even cooldowns

The thing with that guy saying just focus on one area i bet even though he kills he still averages 6-8 cs a minute whilst killing his laner.

It’s possible to climb while playing like 50-150 games but you would have to have a good knowledge on the game to climb in that short amount of games. Like it would just have to click with you but that’s rare for people. For the most people you have to grind the game to learn but on the flip side I have a friend that grinds the game 800-1k games a season but because his mental is so bad he doesn’t climb

I always thought Diana was a diver, not an assassin.

Yoh Yoh Yoh!

Get more coaches for top and bot, support!

ha! the goals of riot are assuming most players can see their mistakes instead of thinking why didnt that bruiser/tank get one shot!

I am def guilty of playing asol when he came out now i dont play him at all and dont even play the same role lmao

I want to add on a bit to the part where you talk about the guy who felt like he had peaked in gold. I understand what you're talking about when you mention disrespect for the game, but it always sounds a bit harsh, and makes you seem elitist. I agree with you, but I think some different wording and perspectives vould be useful. Something i think worth adding is that because the game is so hard, you need to be a lot less hard on yourself if you don't improve quickly. I don't think people are in despair because they in particular lack respect for the game, but rather a lack of respect from the community at large leads to bad self-esteem when you're not improving at this game the community think is easy. Would love to hear you expand your thoughts about the phrase "respect for the game" and what that means to you when you say it. Big fan of the podcast!

Amon us

Riot absolutely has to promote you and reward you to the point of putting you to the lol client's home page

I also disagree about that reddit reply, don't CS and just teamfight? You will lose more fights if you don't have gold from CS There's no proof that that guy is low diamond

I saw this thread just about when it released, and pretty much all the comments missed the point entirely, even continued to complain about Naafari or say something along the lines of “this is gonna age poorly if she’s OP”. Ok sure she can have overtuned numbers on release or after a hotfix buff but this doesn’t go against what the dev has said here. Really difficult to feel emotions of positivity regarding the league community outside of spaces like here

@HamsterPants522

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Yeah, people just wanna complain. No sense in wasting time reading that since most of their sentiment is directed at Riot anyway.

@ich3730

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i think the problem people have that its just another "press all the buttons = win" champion. A stat-check champion that doesnt outplay, but rather just asks you "did you go in at the right time? if yes, you win the fight". Look at her kit, its so boring. 2 similar dashes, lee sin Q and the most boring ulti ever. Its literally just "me get stats". Like a fighting game install super, just less exciting. Thats just... lame. Could have done so much more with the concept of a pack of hounds hunting together, the dogs might as well just be stacks that give you damage.

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

@@ich3730 I can understand that criticism, but I'd like to make a counterpoint. The game has a lot of assassins already, and nearly all of them are flashy show-off type champions. Aside from Evelynn, I can't really think of an assassin that's mechanically simple to play, and for new players at least that is kind of a problem. So as long as the champion is balanced then I'm fine with having a simple and straightforward AD assassin in the game because we kinda didn't have one before.

@Pyrrha_Nikos

Жыл бұрын

​@@ich3730how dare League have an assassin that punishes you for going in at the wrong time, but rewards you for doing it properly? Anyway, back to Talon, blue Kayn and Akali :)

10:40 Riven.