Do you prefer the feeling of getting a HUGE bluff through or making a SICK hero call? 😁

@matthewjohnson9413

11 ай бұрын

Hero call. With a hero call, your thought process and reads are verified. With a bluff that gets through, you can't determine if you're right or just aggressive enough. It's also tells your opponents not to mess with you. Lol

@lukewinder3630

11 ай бұрын

I love calling people with Ace high and winning. My favorite type of hero call.

@shagnastyfo20

11 ай бұрын

Hero call

@JamesDiGioia

11 ай бұрын

Hero call. Called a river shove with KQ on J99 and won vs 87 in my last live session. Was a really good feeling.

@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr

11 ай бұрын

Both have their merits depending on the situation imo.

The river question Jonathan presented to us I think is tough because of the ICM in play. I choose 650,000 because of the small bet on the turn, I think that represents 3 of a kind 2’s and Stefan can fold even top 2 pair to that. I think if Mateos checked back on the turn a full pot size would be appropriate for the bluff on the river. Turn action is why I’m choosing 650,000

I think the small bluff on the turn is fine. Bet sizes in tournaments don't carry the same dollar value as bet sizes in cash games, they actually carry more dollar value due to ICM. Foxten gets worse implied odds due to short stacks, as well as ICM. Mateo doesnt need to be polar, he is saying this is a protection bet and protection is really important in tournaments for stack preservation.

@jmaessoan1

11 ай бұрын

No one cares what you think. You are no where near the level of player as any of these guys. Keep grinding ur 1-2 game and keep your make believe high roller strategy to yourself

@Brazz27

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, turn bet is totally fine.. But the river bet removes so many hands from Mateos turn value bets range .. If you're betting for protection on the turn with all your 6x and worse, you're never valuebetting this river.. so you're left with your Qx and better as valuebets.. which is a super low part of your overall range.

@jonathanhenderson9422

11 ай бұрын

I was going to comment this as well. Small bet represents almost every possible pair here where if you bet big you're limited to repping Qx or better, and BvB you're often better repping a wider range of value because you start with such a wide range and you're also targeting a wide and weak range.

It’s in his over tapping turn check. That was to induce a bluff and he knows it.

Missed flush draws do not like to bluff rivers because they block a large portion of villain's floats that will fold

OMG what a call. Unreal. Foxen is so good.

@iamamish

11 ай бұрын

Negreanu has made some videos that don't even involve Foxen, but Foxen is at the table. Foxen has several times called out the specific holdings of various players before the cards were tabled. Pretty sick.

@jasonbatteiger2421

11 ай бұрын

we're to believe matos isn't good enough to notice stuff like that. really.

@jasonbatteiger2421

11 ай бұрын

oops, mateos, was thinking of l.matos (SF OF, baseball)

Isn't the 9d a bad card for Fox to have? You block backdoor diamond floats in addition to what you said about blocking 98, 97.

@bassfishingnyc9983

11 ай бұрын

Your thinking to much bro

@tjmurphy4807

11 ай бұрын

@@bassfishingnyc9983 If you want to be the man, woooooooo, you got to think like this.

@DavidMaxwell_

10 ай бұрын

He said it in the video

On the river don't you really want the 9 of diamonds not the other way around. 9/8d is not a bluff on the river because it blocks so many of the SBs missed flush draws. But by having the 9 of diamonds you are blocking a ton of the giveups// unblocking the opponents bluffs which are missed straight draws without a diamond. I think having the 9h is so much worse becasue then you block the hands that call flop with a backdoor flush draw and that would continue on the river? It seems like on the turn having the 9d is not great for the call-- but on the river it may be what you want to have?

I would bet 700k at the river, a bet that basically says "please call". Very often I got folds from players that identify it as a value bet.

@Masoch1st

11 ай бұрын

You still would've lost lol

@kevinr8020

11 ай бұрын

​​@@Masoch1st big bets usually mean bluff, or monster. No in between.

@Masoch1st

11 ай бұрын

@@kevinr8020 I know what polarised means lol. He still would've called. Soul read

@ts4gv

11 ай бұрын

it's a whole lot more subtle than that at the highest levels.

Its a good call but it is really that great a call? With ICM shouldn't Mateos check back so many hands with showdown value so his value range is really tight making this bet incredibly polar?

@mrhumble2937

11 ай бұрын

It's a great call.

Would you ever check raise on the turn as foxen?

@kioplqwerty

11 ай бұрын

bluff jam only lol

The spainard, got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, fab call...

agreed it's not a good card to bluff the river, BUT i'm guessing a LOT of the GTO sized turn bets (like jon little says before mateos bets smaller on turn) are large, and here he bet smaller on turn, leaving foxen with a lot worse range that got to that river, so with that, i'm guessing the bluff % should also go up. against a player like foxen exactly that might be trouble, as while he's getting to the river weaker from having to call the turn smaller bet, he's also more likely to call with larger parts of that weaker range than probably most people. here ALL the front door draws (besides 43 suited, 32 suited, 42 suited) and backdoor diamonds missed (foxen's flop bet certainly small enough for some backdoor diamond hands to continue, albeit foxen blocks some with the 9d) so a9 calls make sense, but really worse hands too (king highs etc).

Every time I see Mateos, I hear Stapes with the "buenooossss diaasss Adddriaaaann"

He would have to go all in to get that guy to fold on that river

JL mentions on the turn that Foxen would prefer an 9d over a non-diamond, but it seems to me like you'd want Mateos to have diamonds here, no? The 9d diminishes that.

@denisfolcik1373

11 ай бұрын

It's good to have on the turn because it limits his chances of having backdoor diamonds but bad on the river because it takes away from logical bluff candidates.

You said (Jonathan) that Mateo has an easy call to stefans 25% c bet size. I believe Mateo only has a 16% odds to make the gut shot. What odds does the hero need to call a 25% c bet? I would think it’s low but at the same time Mateo doesn’t have much odds to the nuts. Of course I could be wrong and if so please correct me so I can get be better. Would it be solid for Mateo to reraise on the flop to deny Stefan’s advantage?

@jonathanhenderson9422

11 ай бұрын

You're very wrong. It's not just about the straight draw but also your pair draws (which are probably live), your future fold equity, and having position. In Blind V Blind especially both players tend to have very wide ranges so most flops miss most hands, and you can't only call when you hit or have monster draws or else you're giving your opponents a license to bluff you and print money. You have to defend wider, and that's where inside straight draws, backdoor flush draws, and even A-highs come into play. Guarantee a solver is calling this 100% of the time.

@sincityinfinity6255

11 ай бұрын

What’s your opinion on Mateos reraising here? Do you think that’s out of line? I’m thi king if Mateos reraised at least he’s giving himself more options to win. Hitting his hand or Foxen folding

@jonathanhenderson9422

11 ай бұрын

@@sincityinfinity6255 Only spot Mateos could reraise is pre-flop, and Mateos should only be doing that with much better hands or worse hands that aren't quite good enough to call with. 98s has too good playability to be 3-betting.

@sincityinfinity6255

11 ай бұрын

I like your explanation on the blind vs blind strategy. Maybe I am not defending/ 3 -betting with the correct portions of my range in blind vs blind.I was just thinking his hand doesn’t have much showdown value and with some backdoor equity a reraise bluff would be effective. I appreciate you breaking down what you thought here.

@jonathanhenderson9422

11 ай бұрын

@@sincityinfinity6255 Another aspect here is ICM where when you're going up against a bigger stack you want to play more conservatively in general. You aren't worried about showdown value preflop, just post-flop, and post-flop Mateo didn't have an opportunity to reraise. could've raised on the flop, but again that's probably unnecessary given how slim his value range is. When your value range is a slim portion of your overall range you really have to tighten up you bluff-raising range too or else you're going to be way imbalanced towards bluffs.

I would probably have gone with a smaller sizing on the River: Mateo is representing at his top end probably QJ after his small Turn bet; he should only rarely ever hold Q6/Q5s or better. - A2s ?! Idk.

@XJonnystyle99

11 ай бұрын

Depends on what hes defending against the SB RFI. I think he gets there with quite a lot of Top-Pairs which probably are the effective nuts considering how the play and run out went... Thus making Ace High very strong, which in turn forces Mateo to bet bigger to get Foxen of a "strong" Ace High

@Badbentham

11 ай бұрын

@@XJonnystyle99 Well: I do agree with Jonathan that we mostly should bet big on the Turn, to prepare for the River shove. - But, when we do bet small on the Turn, then actually mostly to get thin value from Ax: As played, the chosen River sizing feels to me somewhat inconsistent with his previous play.

@jonathanhenderson9422

11 ай бұрын

@@Badbentham The problem with a big turn bet is that you're really representing a very small part of your very wide range and you've eliminated 6x and 5x. Now, you can do that, of course, but you have to be very careful/selective because it's very easy to overbluff when you start with such a wide range and are VB a very small range. However, you're correct that the inconsistency is a problem. Turn small bet could be 6x or 5x but river big bet eliminates those possibilities leaving Qx+ and bluffs.

@kioplqwerty

11 ай бұрын

better check and give up the raise overall wait till you actually have next time and follow the same pattern. I probably would have just given up tbh

@kioplqwerty

11 ай бұрын

@@jonathanhenderson9422 except 65 and small straight what is it 34 (or whatever combo it is). Maybe A2 sometimes. I probably would have called but used all my time. Good bet by Mateos for no result

bad size pot on the turn, that was just range advantage bet sizing....

i think u gotta go all in or not at all. but im bad at poker :D

Bet small. It looks like I want a call and have him bet. If he does call or raises I am still in.

Middle bet

Ship it

On the river the paired board is a really underbluffed spot by almost everyone. He doesnt have diamonds and he's at the bottom of his range. This hand is a mandatory bluff imo

@rcadegaming9123

11 ай бұрын

"by almost anyone" never mind it's a video of .01%ers

@OneEyedJack01

11 ай бұрын

The paired river is insignificant in this hand. If Foxen was ahead or behind on the turn, nothing changed. Maybe you could scare off a mid pair, but it's unlikely . The key here is that the main draws bricked.

Alex = God like

Easy call for a good player.

What a call!

@barygol

11 ай бұрын

Don't be result oriented. It was a bad call with his specific holding

@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr

11 ай бұрын

Results oriented lol, definitely not a bad call at all when there are that many combos of missed draws and bluffs he could have, to me it's easy to put the BB on a 74 or 78 type of hand ( something up and down on the flop maybe with a backdoor flush).@@barygol

@conorm2524

11 ай бұрын

@@barygol Sure, pal...

@michaelmarsico9740

11 ай бұрын

@@barygolno… no it’s not. It’s a great call.

@barygol

11 ай бұрын

@@michaelmarsico9740 no

If I had someone staring at me out the corner of their eyes as much as Foxen does, I'd be staring right back at them the whole time

@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr

11 ай бұрын

What exactly do you think that would accomplish over keeping your mind on the hand and ignoring him?

@default179

11 ай бұрын

@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr make him either get into an awkward stare down duel, or stop staring at opposed to occasionally looking at his opponent. That's what I expect would happen

@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr

11 ай бұрын

Seems like a distraction from focusing on the hand and outplaying him....@@default179

@mayanaztec6440

11 ай бұрын

Foxen would make you sweat and dirty your underwear

@windy6455

11 ай бұрын

I’ve gotten in staring matches at tables before. It’s kind of fun

Smaller bet on the river would make it look like more value

All in

I would go 900k in that spot

I think Foxen's roids give him physic abilities haha.

@D.WhiteJr

9 ай бұрын

They probably do help hyper focus

would have snapped the hell out of that river, i need to get to this final table i need free money from mateos

For God's sake, the word is spelled "Whoa", "Woah" would rhyme with "Noah".

@Benjamin-1776-

11 ай бұрын

Is this a troll? I have never seen it spelled "Whoa" even once in my life. Leave it to a French Canadian....

@markhanson6563

11 ай бұрын

Please look it up in a dictionary and get back to me - and English Canadian. @@Benjamin-1776-

@iamamish

11 ай бұрын

@@Benjamin-1776- not sure what you guys are referring to, but what other spellings are there for "Whoa"? There is "wow", but that's a different word. Maybe you're referring to Jonathan saying, "Wowee", which is another word altogether, and isn't the same as "Whoa".

@Melcavic42

11 ай бұрын

Whoa is more like Hawaiin who ah than woah a w is less of a strong consonant sound than a n. No ah. Whoh is what you are getting from a woah because now less emphasis on the ah sound as well.

@markhanson6563

11 ай бұрын

I'm referring to the graphic at the beginning (perhaps on the video thumbnail).@@iamamish