How Does Different Ackermann Steering Geometry Affect Car Performance in Gearblocks?

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Today we're back in Gearblocks with ackermann geometry! In the last video we worked on some front geometry but today we're going to dive into specific ackermann angles and how they change the steering ability of a car.
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  • @kANGaming
    @kANGaming4 ай бұрын

    What part of the car should we work on next in Gearblocks?

  • @hansvonflammenwerfer2817

    @hansvonflammenwerfer2817

    4 ай бұрын

    The seat should be a toilet for toilet bias

  • @ArseniiSheremet-tc1zt

    @ArseniiSheremet-tc1zt

    4 ай бұрын

    Suspension and more weight on the car

  • @60NineK

    @60NineK

    4 ай бұрын

    You should try and do a type of hydraulics/low rider maybe, a sort of independent ride height P.S. with suspension in line

  • @Mostafa-vs8bd

    @Mostafa-vs8bd

    4 ай бұрын

    Build piston engine yourself for experimnt

  • @davidaugustofc2574

    @davidaugustofc2574

    4 ай бұрын

    A monocoque type chassis

  • @tomsgamingco.1529
    @tomsgamingco.15294 ай бұрын

    For the inverted you need yo lower the turn angle down so the outside wheel don't plow the turn you want the wheel no more then 45 degrees or it will slide out and understeer perfect 45 and you will have peek grip at high speeds

  • @Grunk-ik9os

    @Grunk-ik9os

    4 ай бұрын

    Also I feel like some weight over the front wheels would help.

  • @cuberznl
    @cuberznl4 ай бұрын

    tbh with the anti ackermann probably the reason you liked it at the beginning was because of the sharper turn radius because you changed every part of the steering geometry at once

  • @timehunter9467
    @timehunter94674 ай бұрын

    It would be interesting to see a “virtual pivot” for steering where there would be almost zero scrub radius, that would make the Ackerman geometry even more accurate. Having adjustable castor angle would be cool when it comes to suspension.

  • @danielstarr2483
    @danielstarr24834 ай бұрын

    Anti-Ackermann is used in F1 specifically because of the slip angles in the tires being dependent on the loads. Layman terms: Tires don't go perfectly straight, and how straight they go depends on the weight applied, and the lateral force. With F1, the outside tires in a turn are loaded much more than the inside tires, so they can actually handle more lateral force due to friction increasing with more downforce/weight.

  • @jackklode1506

    @jackklode1506

    4 ай бұрын

    F1 also slips to heat up the front wheels

  • @glennhuman6936
    @glennhuman69364 ай бұрын

    Been waiting for this

  • @philipdean5031

    @philipdean5031

    4 ай бұрын

    I know it’s finally here!!

  • @casperk7310
    @casperk73104 ай бұрын

    so happy we got another video on gearblocks

  • @ShawnF6FHellcat
    @ShawnF6FHellcat4 ай бұрын

    I would like to see you do another kit build, more specifically, the "4WD Buggy", because it has a lot of stuff going on, and I'd like to hear your thoughts while building it.

  • @thorbjrnbentzen5741
    @thorbjrnbentzen57414 ай бұрын

    Thank you for making more gearblocks, youre like the only guy making videos about it ❤

  • @shawnsessa8730
    @shawnsessa87304 ай бұрын

    Glad your back in Gear Blox, it's fun watching this series!

  • @voidthenothing6662
    @voidthenothing66624 ай бұрын

    Always been a fan of these vids, the vids that you get into the nitty gritty of explaining why something is happening. But this was the first video I have watched of you that I felt I learned something new. Thanks as always, have a good one

  • @Josiah100x
    @Josiah100x4 ай бұрын

    now i am curious to wether or not a manual crafted ackermann part in Scrap Mechanic is possible or not...

  • @s1n1stersixsgaming8

    @s1n1stersixsgaming8

    4 ай бұрын

    Check the rally challenge, the creator demo vehicles use a semi Ackerman dual bearing turning system

  • @ducewags
    @ducewags4 ай бұрын

    In the real world, you can drive a rear tire in the ground or lift it on a corner all from the front angles done. That can also be done from power to the drive line in a straight line, or in a corner with a panhard bar or rod, and 4 link setup if done the proper way in the rear. A proper rear setup, can make the front turn better, and harder by force from the rear. What a concept to have, if one spends the time and knows chassis physics. Thank's for the content KAN.

  • @Drunken_Hamster
    @Drunken_Hamster4 ай бұрын

    I am so glad I watched the first five minutes before commenting. I felt like I was the only one who knew about the forces involved with performance driving and why you might NOT want perfect 100% Ackerman (where the two lines intersect at the center of the rear axle) for any given car build. Also, in all of my research, it seems even modern road cars don't use that 100% Ackerman number. Lastly, the angle of your tie rods, and by extension, the placement of your steering rack fore/aft on the chassis, also affects Ackerman. I've seen setups (on RC cars, at least) where the knuckles look like they have extreme Ackerman, but because the tie rods are angled towards the front axle centerline (IE your rack would be moved heavily forward) it seems to cancel it out and give them fairly tame Ackerman until full lock.

  • @calebs4887
    @calebs48874 ай бұрын

    I once had to implement the math for ackermann steering (essentially create the geometry virtually, which spat out the right and left wheel angles to a pair of servos), and it was such a struggle to get all the math correct and working properly. Getting the equations in the right order was such a PITA that I broke down and used chatGPT for the first (and only) time.

  • @Sebbe-tj1es
    @Sebbe-tj1es4 ай бұрын

    LOVE THIS SERIES

  • @nidodson
    @nidodson4 ай бұрын

    It's actually a real effect that happens that race teams have to take into consideration for their setup, as the weight of the car slightly shifts to one side when the engine is reved up higher. So, the problem with his physics engine is that it is too pronounced. Pretty cool thing we normally never think about.

  • @Madnessnunky
    @Madnessnunky4 ай бұрын

    One of the major considerations for Ackerman steering is the length of the chassis. Your example is almost a limo with how long it is. Ackerman geometry (in simple terms) should have the pivots lined up with the center of the rear driveshaft/axle line between the wheels. (Like a V-shape from the center of the rear.) I'd like to see some level of calculation made to approximate the ideal rear end distance based on your first/best iteration of Ackerman implementation. Given this game is block-based, calculating the proper distance should be pretty simple with grid paper or a digital equivalent. After that, suspension should most definitely appear.

  • @Ekipsogel
    @Ekipsogel4 ай бұрын

    I kinda want you to get The Unofficial Lego Technic Builders Guide Second Edition, it shows and explains a lot of mechanisms that you might find interesting, and explains how to find the correct Ackerman geometry. It is 6 years outdated in terms of Lego parts, but that doesn’t affect the mechanisms.

  • @Poldovico
    @Poldovico4 ай бұрын

    I was hoping for more gearblocks!

  • @gleechy
    @gleechy4 ай бұрын

    Sway bars would be cool to see when you do the suspension

  • @kelvinelrick807

    @kelvinelrick807

    4 ай бұрын

    Those are hard to build.

  • @CopiHuman
    @CopiHuman4 ай бұрын

    This game is awesome, it reminds me of when I'd mess with legos to make scaled down mechanical systems but with even more freedom

  • @rojnx9
    @rojnx94 ай бұрын

    Gearblocks would be the perfect game to implement the Engine Simulator that AngeTheGreat made for powering the piston engines.

  • @TheMostUt
    @TheMostUt4 ай бұрын

    I tried doing all this in Beseige a couple years ago, but the machines were SOOO big and lagged my machine real bad. I might end up getting this at some point to build some cool car things.

  • @brandonbrucker6691
    @brandonbrucker66914 ай бұрын

    The scrub radius on that anti-ackerman steer be wack. Some of the dual ball joint set ups on performance cars to project the lower end of the steering axsis is wild

  • @dragoon4481
    @dragoon44814 ай бұрын

    You should also try and make a fan car using the propellers to provide downforce so you can make the car as fast as possible. With my design I was able to get sub 25 seconds on the inner loop

  • @erikhaag4250
    @erikhaag42504 ай бұрын

    Look at the setting for the tires, you can change both the driving and sliding friction

  • @BeanLord03
    @BeanLord034 ай бұрын

    Missed this game so much, I wonder if there’s any sort of off road stuff in this game.

  • @MattDvc
    @MattDvc4 ай бұрын

    Build a chassis, add batteries to give it some good weight, balance it, put brakes on all four corners, adjust the braking force on the front so they on the edge of locking, adjust rear brakes so they wont lock but still have decent breaking power. Then start playing with suspension and geometry. You won't be disappointed, 👌

  • @wilion8865
    @wilion88654 ай бұрын

    Try using thicker wheels, so you have more surface area in contact with the ground, which translates to better grip.

  • @kelvinelrick807
    @kelvinelrick8074 ай бұрын

    You should be able to adjust the grip force on the tires in the tire's menu.

  • @chaoticdragoncherry6939
    @chaoticdragoncherry69394 ай бұрын

    Funky thing that yt is doing is only recommending your vids in playlist form for some reason

  • @jonahgetz5882
    @jonahgetz58824 ай бұрын

    3:40 Kind of? Technically speaking any wheel that is supplying a lateral force will develop a slip angle as the sidewalls deform from the load. F1 has large lateral forces and tall sidewalls, so this slip angle (the angle between the direction that the tire is pointing and the direction the tire is moving) is very large. Because of this they make sure that the point the wheels line up to make a circle *after the slip angle is accounted for* and in order to make the tires line up at the contact patch you happen to need a slight anti-Ackerman at the kingpin in F1. Although that really gets into the weeds about the road-tire interaction, and this video game may or may not reflect reality depending on the physics modeling they're using.

  • @stratch1559
    @stratch15594 ай бұрын

    You can also change the grip of each wheel by going into the settings of the wheel.

  • @taimurahmedrafe4984
    @taimurahmedrafe4984Ай бұрын

    Man, pls do anti ackerman with a bit less steering angle in general, the front wheels were almost perpendicular, if it had normal-ish steering angle it would perform much better

  • @stratch1559
    @stratch15594 ай бұрын

    Once suspension has been added and upgraded I would like to see a faster transmission, potentially two electric motors powering the vehicle.

  • @patrickfleming8200
    @patrickfleming82004 ай бұрын

    Does anybody know of formula for finding the two steering angles of the inside and outside wheels that can be used in Scrap Mechanic?

  • @coolvin
    @coolvin4 ай бұрын

    You should try to recreate one of your drift RC cars' setups

  • @UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx
    @UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx4 ай бұрын

    Imagine if the dev teamed up with AngeTheGreat to put engine sim inside a sandbox.

  • @UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx

    @UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx

    4 ай бұрын

    Speaking of combustion engines - Kan really should check out Automation!!

  • @willie9899
    @willie98994 ай бұрын

    I wonder if powering the front wheels would help with the front end plowing

  • @SabertoothTamer
    @SabertoothTamer4 ай бұрын

    For the Anti-Ackermann it might turn better if you used a controller so that you don't largely oversteer.

  • @lucasp7310
    @lucasp73104 ай бұрын

    YES❤

  • @TheXkyneticx
    @TheXkyneticx4 ай бұрын

    can you give your car wider wheels for a greater surface area? I feel like the narrow wheels wouldn't offer you much friction

  • @roccov3614
    @roccov36144 ай бұрын

    I think you spin out because you lose traction with your back wheels before losing traction with your front. The reverse ackermann made you lose traction with your front wheels before the back wheels. That probably explains why you spun out less. Maybe the perfect set up is to have the ackermann angle set so the front wheels just barely loses traction before the back ones but not so bad that you can't steer.

  • @n0_name434
    @n0_name4344 ай бұрын

    me realizing watching KAN from 2020....his voice ice changing every video and me hoping for the update to be soon....

  • @N0V-A42
    @N0V-A424 ай бұрын

    We are so block(back)!

  • @gaithnael
    @gaithnael4 ай бұрын

    kan if you find the tyres too slidy you kan edit their grip in the settings of each tyre

  • @thatguytravis9352
    @thatguytravis93524 ай бұрын

    YEAHHHHHHHHH I LOVE THIS GAME

  • @bktthemdg9038
    @bktthemdg90384 ай бұрын

    XD all hail the Klang, space engineers game

  • @Mostafa-vs8bd
    @Mostafa-vs8bd4 ай бұрын

    I hope for engine sound they use creator of engine sim and steam engine sim

  • @TheRattleSnake3145
    @TheRattleSnake31454 ай бұрын

    Zeepkist!

  • @terra_king1746
    @terra_king17464 ай бұрын

    suspension please meke more videos in gearblocks

  • @YtStaffMember
    @YtStaffMember4 ай бұрын

    0:35 PHANTOM FORCES AND KAN COLLAB?????

  • @fakedbee314
    @fakedbee3144 ай бұрын

    The only thing I don't like about kAN's videos is how they make me want to know more

  • @apersunthathasaridiculousl1890
    @apersunthathasaridiculousl18904 ай бұрын

    I really hope this game doesn’t pull a main assembly 😭 The second they release those engines i’m buy it

  • @bread0237
    @bread02374 ай бұрын

    Bread

  • @user-hu6hn1jd3q
    @user-hu6hn1jd3q4 ай бұрын

    More

  • @FireHawk9463
    @FireHawk94633 ай бұрын

    I think you’re missing suspension and aero

  • @KalijahAnderson
    @KalijahAnderson4 ай бұрын

    Kan, talking about the mechanics of F1 racing steering, (Cool this guy knows what he's talking about), Blah bla blah bla blah cool stuff. 😂

  • @Osono2diWorld
    @Osono2diWorld4 ай бұрын

    Weight and fat tires

  • @alvaroskarson6175
    @alvaroskarson61754 ай бұрын

    build a driftcar

  • @moody9287
    @moody92874 ай бұрын

    Drinking game. Take a shot every time kAN says "No Problem"

  • @korey4241
    @korey42414 ай бұрын

    10 min gang

  • @cheesywaffle6761

    @cheesywaffle6761

    4 ай бұрын

    No 1:33

  • @raptorworkshop6651
    @raptorworkshop66514 ай бұрын

    First

  • @hansvonflammenwerfer2817

    @hansvonflammenwerfer2817

    4 ай бұрын

    Not even

  • @cheesywaffle6761

    @cheesywaffle6761

    4 ай бұрын

    Fr 0:55 ​@@hansvonflammenwerfer2817

  • @user-uy2ef5kj7f
    @user-uy2ef5kj7f4 ай бұрын

    Kan rod

  • @cheesywaffle6761

    @cheesywaffle6761

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes 1:12

  • @DickShooter
    @DickShooter4 ай бұрын

    Gotta loosen up the chassis so it will flex, even just a little.

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