Which one are you? Undercut or Overcut?

@cap-2463

2 жыл бұрын

Undercut

@Carter78

2 жыл бұрын

undertake

@j4ck328

2 жыл бұрын

Uppercut

@j4ck328

2 жыл бұрын

LiKe UrCuTg is the best in my opinion

@outbackoz6896

2 жыл бұрын

Undercut

“Tactics in Formula Is absolutely everything” Ferrari: if you can keep bottas behind... P1

@OnionChoppingNinja

2 жыл бұрын

"copy understood we are looking" - soulless sounding Italian guy -

@frahman1963

2 жыл бұрын

Not wrong though 😂

@4ntoCatch

2 жыл бұрын

@@OnionChoppingNinja yes why do they say that . may as well have a robot to respond

@fmg182

2 жыл бұрын

so Ricciardo with clean air behind Bottas...

@jmohamed.14

2 жыл бұрын

Simple

I think this video will help a lot Ferrari strategists . . Update 10/06/2022 : They still haven’t watched it

@carolinehaf21

2 жыл бұрын

Na, you have to be proactive to use these

@moose1986

2 жыл бұрын

If they can be competitive again

@jugalthacker4647

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of Merc strategists as well

@grug199

2 жыл бұрын

ferrari strategists writing down everything in this video

@sachin6259

2 жыл бұрын

Also a pit stop video as well

“Tactics in Formula Is absolutely everything” Ferrari: what is tactics?

@kantlimpitaks

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Master🅱️lan??

@ItzDanny03

2 жыл бұрын

@@kantlimpitaks yep

@fernandoribeiro594

2 жыл бұрын

"We are checking..."

@ItzDanny03

2 жыл бұрын

@@fernandoribeiro594 “if we keep Bottas behind we will Be P1”

@Lunarfox

2 жыл бұрын

wdym? they *clearly* have the best tactics in F1: If you stay P1, you win. God Tier.

"Tactics in Formula One is absolutely everything" Ferrari : Ok keep pushing

@grug199

2 жыл бұрын

we are checking

@somerandominternetuser9172

2 жыл бұрын

"these tires were DONE"

@riegelvega.8880

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilymorse8105 sucks this comment is everywhere. Just go out to find a job

@GeneralPastelDeNata

2 жыл бұрын

This dind't age well

@sepehr7402

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralPastelDeNata it did

That’s why teammates like Perez and Bottas are crucial because they can normally help protect against the undercut.

@spartanasasable

2 жыл бұрын

Could the decision to Bottas engine part and received a 5 position penalty possibly a wrong move?

@Frozander

2 жыл бұрын

@@spartanasasable Yes but they apparently are having massive reliability issues and probably got that penalty to examine more engines. So they can maybe evade another penalty for Hamilton

@luttren

2 жыл бұрын

They can also be used to force the other driver to pit early like Red Bull did this weekend. Mercedes couldn´t risk loosing 2nd place and be forced to overtake both Perez and Verstappen. So when Perez pitted they had no choice but to pit Hamilton.

@Beckworth15

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it would've been very interesting to see what would've happened if they didn't give bottas the new engine

@JGS713

2 жыл бұрын

Puppet Bottas

Really liked this, I am about two seasons into being a fan and starting to become interested more and more with the inner workings. Thanks for the useful videos

@magnemouse2802

2 жыл бұрын

im pretty much like you😁

@coreypalmer1523

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! Lots to learn, holy history! Love it. Everyday there's so much to learn and with this exciting battle in honestly in love. This is a wicked sport

@catenjoyer76

8 ай бұрын

Me too. I'm a HUGE nerd and aspiring engineer, so I love the whole science behind F1. The racing is obviously exciting too haha

Everyone: "Should we go with undercut or overcut?" Ferrari: "We go with f**k up"

@anhuman7022

2 жыл бұрын

We just ask the driver's

Ferrari strategists: "Write that down!"

another reason why the overcut failed: Verstappen was saving tyes as he was in the front, hence why the gap closed by around 0,5 seconds each lap, so when Hamilton had caught up he could go on the counter-attack

@4ntoCatch

2 жыл бұрын

yes lewis car wasnt on rails

@chookchack

2 жыл бұрын

Max pushed those tires like crazy the last 5 laps. Gut wrenching on every turn.

Think we’ll start seeing some silly undercuts soon as Hamilton and Verstappen try to outsmart each other

@beerussama6205

2 жыл бұрын

We have already seen one in monaco

I think Mercedes made a right decision and did everything they could to fight the undercut Red Bull performed. It's just that Max was this tiny bit too fast to make their last laps pursuit work. Both teams deserve a commend for their efforts to win this race, and it's just racing - someone has to win, someone has to finish second.

@tejmohite179

2 жыл бұрын

Also , dirty air degrades merc performance

To be honest, this is the best video you have recently done, i was used to seeing your videos not being in too deep about discussing what really happened but rather just the basics of the topic, the animation of how it unfolded and the tire age and undercut and over cut animation really gave more audience of better understanding of the strategy, well done WTF1, looking forward for more of this quality, cheers guys!!

VET has done some brilliant over cut this season

In my opinion, Red Bull strategy showed the two sides of the coin. -The first pit stop was a brilliant move. Excellent undercut to get Max ahead and Checo in full rear-gunner position. -The second though... I think they blinked too early. They put both Max and Checo in a hard situation, in which both men had they overcutting chasers (Hamilton and Leclerc) cutting the difference fast. That in both cases both prevailed is a different story. Red Bull should've waited 2-3 laps with both drivers.

@Root_boy

2 жыл бұрын

Radio messages already went out from Max's side stating his tyres were gone, pace was dropping.. Merc will have known they were about to pit, red bull needed to take this knowledge into account. Merc will have wanted to pit one or two laps before red bull needed to, in order to perform an undercut. Red bulls only choice was to pit even earlier, so about 4-5 laps before they really wanted to in order to keep track position

@Macatar

2 жыл бұрын

@@Root_boy in addition, when pitting, you want Max to have as much free air as possible, which can also force a team to pit earlier to avoid having to plough through a bunch of slower cars.

@Septimus_ii

2 жыл бұрын

They went early both times, because they wanted to be sure that they were getting the undercut

Dude, thank you for this video WTF1! Boy does that help me appreciate RB, and also appreciate the look of hidden rage by Toto after the race. What a race.

Hamilton should’ve boxed lap 1 and put on inters bro so obvious

@cliffordrandell735

2 жыл бұрын

Haha ;)

@JoshChristiane

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this strategy. I hope Hamilton does this for the remaining races of the year so that we get exciting racing. :P Hahaha

@liambentz5763

2 жыл бұрын

Bro ditch tires go full Webber style

@saibattu7745

2 жыл бұрын

@@liambentz5763 Don't you mean Buemi style?

@ringoferrer2343

2 жыл бұрын

@@liambentz5763 HAHAHAHAHA

Even though I already knew this stuff it's really entertaining to hear Matty present the info. Matty would make a great talking head on Sky F1, much better than 90% of the current talking heads.

Jokes on you, my Hairdresser decided for me to have an Undercut

@PanNic97

2 жыл бұрын

@A G N E Z ok

Everyone here is now more qualified than a Ferrari strategist.

@JamesRodriguez10783

2 жыл бұрын

Ferrari has strategists ?

Thanks for this video. Made things much clearer for me

Dude how do you make this video so quickly after the race? Really great explanation thank you!

Helpful video!

Schumacher was the master of the master of the overcut in the refuelling era. Be the last to pit, throw in a couple of ragged tire, light fuel hot laps, pit and come out ahead...everytime.

Love a WTF1 video at midnight

I don't think it is said enough but Matt and the team at WTF1 do a lot for the new fans coming into the sport!

When did teams start using the term undercut/overcut? I honestly don't remember it being used back in the 2000s - even though the whole undercut/overcut strategy does apply back then.

@williamford9564

2 жыл бұрын

I think it has been in the last 5 years or so at most. Strategies became more important when Pirelli started making harder more durable tires which made tire degradation less a factor during the stints. When Pirelli first took over, the drivers and teams complained that the tire were not durable enough and with two, three, four tire stops during a race, stint strategies were less important.

@docontra4921

2 жыл бұрын

Neither do I (used to watch the hispanoamerican F1 broadcast from 2002 to ~2005-2006, and in 2008). Back in the refuelling days commentators mostly talked about the fuel level, which was admittedly the most important strategic metric: 1 stop strategies[1] would see the car running the entire race on harder rubber and with significantly more weight at the beginning of each stint than 2 or 3 stop cars; while cars that did more stops would get softer rubber and less weight, but had the added time of the second/third pit-stop (ocasionally, teams would do 2-3 stoppers but have at least one stop without changing tyres). While there was circumstantial changes to the strategy, cars would've been pretty precisely fuelled for the expected stint lengths, giving little wiggle room for over/undercutting. Also, tyres back then behaved significantly different to modern tyres, impacting strategy calls (they didn't have as sharp degradation cliff as they do since Pirelli became the official supplier, and teams had much more freedom in tyre compound choice for the weekend). [1]: 0 stop was theoretically possible and legal, but no team ran cars with a big enough fuel tank.

@aslamnurfikri7640

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamford9564 not only that, during their early years Pirelli made the tyres with a cliff so when they're too worn out their performance dropped significantly compared to gradual degradation today

@Garvm

2 жыл бұрын

I remember it since 2005 at least in Spanish TV. This season over cut was the strategy to gain position, since drivers couldn’t change tyres but the added fuel made them slower during the first laps after pitstop. Maybe it is because at these years we had active testing drivers commenting the race in our broadcaster

"Tactics in F1 is absolutely everything" Ferrari: slow button on, we're checking

F1 couldn't be as exciting as it is without pitstops! Honestly

@TsLeng

2 жыл бұрын

Even more so when refueling was allowed. That really conceals the car's true pace. Fun times back then

@JamesRodriguez10783

2 жыл бұрын

@@TsLeng It was far more strategic & fun to watch. But if it’s a safety concern than what can be done.

@TsLeng

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRodriguez10783 was actually harder for anyone to guess the starting fuel but after that, it was possible to estimate how much was put in by calculating the time of pitstops. In terms of safety, I think it's a trade-off compated to now. Because of fueling, pitstops are longer so no need for crazy wheel change precision and speed.

@szm-qf4lp

2 жыл бұрын

@@TsLeng in 2009 season(last season with refueling) they actually show the starting fuel on the broadcast.

Admittedly, I don't know what I'm talking about. But if Hamilton had done say another 2 laps before taking tires for the final stint could Mediums have been an option?

@christopherchan5245

2 жыл бұрын

I think he didn’t have fresh mids. But it would probably be a stretch with the high tire deg.

@GazQwertyTv

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he could have taken mediums to the end at that point, but to what end? He'd lose more time on the old hards to Max which he'd have to make up and then when he caught Max he'd have less life in his tires left than if he'd gone onto hards. In some situations that could work, but he'd have to catch Max very quickly.

@TheAlfredoCinema

2 жыл бұрын

the mediums got too hot very quickly so it wouldnt have been viable, verstappen struggled alot with the mediums in the first stint and when he undercut thats when hamilton's mediums fell off a cliff as well

@JoshChristiane

2 жыл бұрын

The best solution would have been to just have pulled him earlier, as they waited the deficit just kept growing, then by the end of the race Hamilton ran out of tarmac to catch up. SO often in F1 drivers just run out of time, catching and passing are two different things, and the strategists always under-estimate the amount of time/laps a driver actually needs to make the pass. They always leave it to the last 2 or 3 laps, and that hardly ever works. In those situations having track position is the better strategy.

Well I’m Italian, it’s 1.00 a.m, tomorrow I have an history oral test. Is it too late to watch an as always great wtf1 video? Surely not!🙃

@attalariqariq

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck broo

@BoujaXD

2 жыл бұрын

This video is about strategy not recommended for Ferrari fans.

@lorenzoiannello

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoujaXD well it’s for Ferrari strategists lol, btw I’m a neutral fan

The best strategy is cutting corners, as long as the FIA doesn't see it it's okay -Alonso probably

'It can be the difference between winning and losing' Haas 'hi'

Could we get an f101 about why some series use rolling starts and some don't

someone tell them to upload at a reasonable time its 1am in the uk

@matheusvivan3434

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

0:46 looks like fun.

Finally a video in 60FPS 😩😩🤌🤌

🔥 vid

Love wtf1 video from the start 🔥 (im Italian )

Heres my tip. If ur losing time behind The leader Or further back you can pit erlier then the other car i would recommend using the aggressive or the hards. And make sure you Don't have a broken front wing

Also overcut is useful on tracks where there is a high chance of safety car

I love F1.

I say this as a Dutchman, I think Lewis should've gone for Medium tires for his second stop. The number of laps left were within the tirewear limits of Mediums I think, and that could've given him the chance to overtake.

@4ntoCatch

2 жыл бұрын

appaewntly Merc didnt get on with the mediums in practice and were faster on the hards

Rolling on to 2022 when the tyres take a few laps to get up to temperature - suddenly the overcut has the potential to be a major strategy option.

The drivers comments were on point 😂

Over cut is normally used to describe running fast when it's clear in front. Enough to pit and then come out ahead. What Lewis did wasn't an over cut. Just chasing down max with fresher tyres

I think the biggest thing people might be overlooking is on the second to last lap, Mick basically decided the race. Max was able to get DRS and Lewis couldn't. He also held up Max a little bit and if he had any longer, Lewis would have blitzed past.

@JoshChristiane

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's really annoying and frustrating how much backmarkers hold up the racing, and even makes you wonder if they should be racing at all to begin with if they're truly that slow and uncompetitive.

@elijarvis4969

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshChristiane I wouldnt go that far lmao, but they definitely should follow the rules of multiclass racing. Get out of the way ASAP, no loligaggin'

@wonjoomin

2 жыл бұрын

Max was help up earlier and lost time, close to 4 sec. Your argument doesn't consider the actual racing circumstances for both drivers... Lewis had more turbulent air than he had expected behind Max, therefore could not drop under 1 second for the DRS

@elijarvis4969

2 жыл бұрын

@@wonjoomin Im not talking about any of that though? All I said was, how long Max was held up by Mick decided the race. Why? Because he was able to get DRS while Lewis could not. Had Lewis been able to get DRS off of max, things might not have worked out so well for him. And yes, Lewis had managed to dip under 1 second a few times, and was barely over at the detection zone at said instance I am talking about.

Kimi: driving without a drink me: i want my drink

Can you make next video about what is pace in racing

George Russell is The Chosen One

Charles Leclerc almost pulled off the "no-cut" strategy

Sergio could have challenged much more in this game if he had his drinks. Vamos to kimi.

WTF1 uploads this video. Ferrari strategists: We are checking.

Just when I was about to search for the explanation to these "cuts"

i laught so hard when the F2 Commentator on Sky tried to explane undercuts 😂😂😂😂😂 he couldnt be more wrong 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Okay now that we have the broad overview of overcut undercut done. Let's do one using actual lap times to explain undercut and over cut.

I think of course talking with the benefit of hindsight is that if Hamilton put a second set of medium tyres on the first pitstop where he overcut he would be much faster on track and then undercut the Red Bull as soon as they closed the gap under 1 second which considering the pace advantage he would have this would have happened since it came down to around 3 with the hard tyres. Gain a position on track after Max pitstop and then good luck passing the Merc on the straight

Ferrari: "We don't"

both of em are good if done right.

Maybe I'm too discerning, but I expected more than just an analyse what happened in the last F1 GP. I was waiting for a general information why teams decide to pit when, what their strategy in the beginning might be accoding to tracks, wheather, ... , and why it changes during the race. That's what I thought when I read the video title. If the title would have been "Why Red Bull and Mercedes decided when to make pits stops in Austin", that video is what I was expecting.

@TomCat00738

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you. I didn’t get much from the video.

WTF1- posts a strategy video Ferrari- write that down! write that down!

As someone who has been following the sport for many years, and can remember James Hunt's victory in the 1975 Dutch GP, to be honest I think anything that detracts from the individual drivers contribution to a race result is a negative. Since the role of tyre stops in F1 evolved from merely optional i.e. punctures and weather conditions, to obligatory tyre changes for different compound tyres regardless, although it has undoubtably produced far more on track overtaking, in general I think it has weakened the sport.

Ferrari: "ok we are checking"

During the race I have wondered if RedBull intentionally made a slower pit stop with Perez to force Mercedes to react and make their stint shorter

@JoshChristiane

2 жыл бұрын

Probably not because Perez pitstop was almost the same time as Max'. Both were relatively poor nearly 3 second stops. Everything has just slowed down a lot from the new regulations.

@yourDecisi0n

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshChristiane Perez' stop was about 3.7s and the pit crew were stationary about 0.5s-1s before they released him. Seemed to me like they were waiting, but could also be an issue with the new system.. again. It's only a guess, but that would be epic if they did it intentionally

@yourDecisi0n

2 жыл бұрын

@Laika24102007 Sure, but making the pitstop slow opened the window for Hamilton. So, he had to take the pitstop rather than running long as he was in no threat of getting jumped anymore. If he now runs long, he might have lost this advantage and ended up in P3

Undercut always have a chance of paying off than overcut

I think Bottas absence from the fight made it harder for Mercedes and left them with few options

Finally, I'm more knowledgeable than a Ferrari strategist

Undercut everyone

Anyone noticed the pitstop animation was slower than the actual pitstop

Hi wtf1

I am not a fanboy, i am just passionate.

Max's undercut was clinical

*cuts to mattia sBinotto looking into his crystal ball*

If you’re Ferrari you just shake a magic 8 ball each lap to figure it out

ferrari needs to watch this video

3:19 hurts so much now

Max is master in saving his tyres. Would Hamilton really have come close, Max would've had enough tyres left to turn up the pace enough to keep Hamilton behind for the remaining laps. Even after the undercut. Actually this exactly what Hamilton told the press after the race and kind of what happened. Red Bull Just had the best package and I believe at the moment they also have the best driver to manage that package to the Max.😁

Hamilton shouldn't have extended his 2nd stint by more than 6 laps.. he could have more opportunities at the end, he was getting closer to max.

@esciteach7997

2 жыл бұрын

that was what Merc had the idea to do; just didn't wait long enough

How do I tag Ferrari in this

if you're ferrari, rolling the dice seems to work better than their current strategist

I’m still confused why Lewis went so long on his second stint. He did an extra 6 laps on his 2nd stint when he seemed to be losing time to verstappen. It feels like him coming in 2-3 laps earlier would’ve given him enough time to overtske

@southerntw

2 жыл бұрын

This is a particularly tough decision to make. Mercedes are trying to: a) Give Hamilton biggest tire advantage possible. b) Enough time to make a pass through Verstappen. They needed to find the balance between these two points from the data, and I think they've made the best move possible under that 56 laps. I guess, your point would fullfill B, but A would not. Meaning, Verstappen's tire wouldn't have been as worse as it was, therefore Hamilton wouldn't been able to catch Verstappen as quickly as he was. And even if he did caught up, Hamilton's tires would've been too old and degraded to make a pass. It's all up to Verstappen, though. Had he greed his tires, he wouldn't been able to hold Hamilton that much.

I thought it was bad strategy by Mercedes leaving Hamilton out so long and not covering Verstappen most probably cost him the race

Undercut or overcut? Ferrari: Flip a coin

What about cutting straight across max like he had done in silverstone? :P

@4ntoCatch

2 жыл бұрын

max tripped over lewis

I think based on how long he stayed out lewis could have switched to a one stop strategy

I'm confused but now on a higher level

Ferrari strategies: hmmm... If we pit, we have fresher tires, and if we keep P2 behind, P1 Real Ferrari strategies: Seb, Sainz, Charles (the driver's)

@herzkine

2 жыл бұрын

Ferrari never had a clue about those things, thats why Schumi back then had to totally instill hus culture. I think they still depend on drivers giving techniical and tactical input, thats why i think having 2 young drivers gad a bit negative influence. Current gen serms a lot less savvy about thise things just ovetwhelmed by their ego and Talent Aa drivers. Russell in DtS saying to Williams YOU do something with your shitty car, to not let me look bad Was an eye opener. Top Drivers back then would have sat down and found a solution WITH mechanics. But i am no expert, are their drivers today getting oil stains still?

Are we going for an undercut or overcut? Ferrari: Yes.

Now do "How Does Ferrari Decide Their Pit Strategy"

meanwhile Ferrari : looking up TACTICS in dictionary

Lewis: "I have 8 lap fresher tires" Max: "I don't care"

Ferrari: " Write that down! Write that down!"

Any strategy they would take Maxwell still win the race has happened Mercedes damper foam well when he's getting the turbans air as botas the struggle too

literally everybody else's pit strategy: *so at lap 7 ill pit for medium and then on lap 14 ill pit for intermediate if it rains lightly or i will pit for hard* my pit strategy: *caveman brain pit for long life tyre after lap 1*

Can you explain what does 'You should force Hamilton not to go long with Checo' mean?

@alv8828

2 жыл бұрын

It explained in this video pretty well. Checo was arround 3s behind Hamilton at the end of the first stint. So he was in undercut teritory. When Checo pitted for mediums Hamilton had to pit to cover him. Otherwise, there was a strong chance Checo would get track position and he would keep Hamilton behind him and give Verstapen the time advantage he needed. If Checo did not pit, Hamilton is good tyre manager and he could have had a long 1st stint and he would get at the end of the race a huge tyre advantge.

@dragutte3742

2 жыл бұрын

@@alv8828 thank you very much

Ferrari strategists: *write that down, write that down!*

Ferrari strategists aggressively taking notes. I am a Ferrari fan btw

Ferrari strategists: Write that down. WRITE THAT DOWN!!

I think Hamilton should have followed Max's Pit stops. He could then be much closer and use their better straight line speed to overtake. It may not have worked, but I think the chances were better than what they did.

@nosamoh2388

2 жыл бұрын

No because Max had a cornering advantage and COTA had some slow corners and quite a lot of medium twisty turny corners, but it would have been a bit closer. That was the best strategy Lewis could’ve done. If he switches to mediums or softs, he would have more tyre wear. I don’t think they had any more of those compounds.

Something completely different: Will Mercedes ever go back to be silver arrows or is black the new silver and they will just stay like this forever?

@bhargavpavuluri3118

2 жыл бұрын

From now on they just BLM. Black Liveried Mercedes