It's almost as if voters in these constituencies have reasons to be sceptical of Conservative MPs.

@jakel8627

7 ай бұрын

Strange. How could they be sceptical of the Conservatives? It's almost like they're bad at government or something

@wow-roblox8370

7 ай бұрын

@@jakel8627yes very strange, some may call it a one party system for how long they have been ruling for though…

@IRBry

7 ай бұрын

when conservatives put in people like braveman who don’t deserve the job and are just giving because friends or whatever, is it a surprise?

@silvershocknicktail6638

7 ай бұрын

"My MP quit because she didn't get her bribe" is a fairly decent reason to not trust that party again.

@richardgallagher4880

7 ай бұрын

@@wow-roblox8370 And labor support lockdown and invading Russiaaa too🤷‍♂️

To be honest, considering how corrupt and incompetent the Tories are, I'm surprised their defeat wasn't bigger.

@diverguy3556

7 ай бұрын

Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate, I guess.

@sug365

7 ай бұрын

Labour are the other main option.

@goych

7 ай бұрын

@@diverguy3556or scared, the amount of folk I hear going “but it could be worse” ha ha ha

@kiriakoz

7 ай бұрын

@@diverguy3556 the electorate is stupid, but a lot of society is set up to be pro - Tory. Look at the media landscape for starters. If you are even slightly left wing, Daily Mail and co will release stories about you until something sticks. It's just a terrible country from top to bottom.

@JSK010

7 ай бұрын

A shit economy doesnt mask all kinds of culture war issues. The UK economy will "turn-around" at some point, however Labour will still be associated with anti-semities and muslim-extremists.

"How Did the Tories Lose the By-Elections So Badly?" 13 years of Tory misrule. Easy.

@inspectortanzi

7 ай бұрын

"How Did the Tories Lose the By-Elections So Badly?". Because they're shit - and almost everyone can see it.

@EightThreeEight

7 ай бұрын

Almost 14 now.

@johnbruce2868

7 ай бұрын

And, easier still, Reform splitting the vote. Labour 11, 719. Conservative 10,403, Reform 1,373. Only 16% of the Tamworth electorate support the prospect of Starmer as PM and Labour in power but I know partisan politicians don't care. Labour are no different from the Tories. They are equally conceited. Egotistically, they mislead and lie and vainly promote their delusional ideas. There is no salvation in politics, only an endless circuit of divisive discord and discontent.

@jeckjeck3119

7 ай бұрын

No party should be in power for more than 10 years.

@EightThreeEight

7 ай бұрын

@@jeckjeck3119 How long they've been in power is not the issue in and of itself. What matters is what they do in that time. Labour may have made some mistakes during their last 13 years in power, but that doesn't even come close to the incompetence and self-serving we've seen from the Tories just in the last four year, let alone the last 13.

The Tories go on about people on benefits, but have absent MPs in post for a year, doing nothing and collecting a salary, plus employing their family to do the same. Their loss should be bigger!

@davidyoung5830

7 ай бұрын

I agree 100% there Loss should be total, i.e. those that have committed criminal Offences including the Covid Deaths should be convicted and haveing been convicted part of their loss should be prosecution under The Proceeds of Crime Act to return monies they gained whilst committing their offences whilst in Office, that money can then be used to pay towards their incarceration, why should the tax payer foot the bill? After all there is nothing like a bunch of scrounging grifters getting some of their own Austerity?

@capastianluna8896

7 ай бұрын

Real MP's should be the people who understand each class, from working to even on benefits, evening this out is more vital for the UK economy, tragic part is the way they go about this, always electing "Family Members", it does have to stop. How can other countries take UK seriously enough? Nothing more than family members selling off the UK just so there wages goes up, whilst others, nope, we don't get a pay rise as there money is printed, making inflation go up and working class is screwed. Not a single MP mentions this, locals however do.

@GilbertdeClare0704

7 ай бұрын

It really gets me that "they go on about people on benefits" who are FROM this country, but FREELY give all benefits AWAY to people who have ENTERED this country ILLEGALLY and who have NO right to even BE in this country

@thegoat11111

7 ай бұрын

@@GilbertdeClare0704 Also, a lot of people need benefits because in spite of making vast profits many companies do not pay a living wage.

@GilbertdeClare0704

7 ай бұрын

@@thegoat11111Tell me about it, my friend. I've BEEN there ! Have also spent a lifetime paying IN to the system

I absolutely loved the smooth transition from Tories to scams

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, what is the difference?

@blazzz13

7 ай бұрын

I mean we need protecting from Conmen like Schapps who worryingly is at the heart of government passing laws.

@patlotpotlot6154

7 ай бұрын

They have scammed the country since god knows when

@Lando-kx6so

7 ай бұрын

​@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 the difference is you're getting rid of an incompetent government with clear facists in the party

@Lando-kx6so

7 ай бұрын

From inept scams* to an actual government

It's hard to convince people you can solve problems when you haven't for over a decade.

I can't believe that the UK still uses FPTP. It is objectively one of the worst voting methodologies that exists. smh

@mrhpijl

7 ай бұрын

Yup, in 2015 the conservatives scored around 36-37% of the popular vote, secured a majority of seats thus 100% of control. Laughable

@nathanaelsmith3553

7 ай бұрын

Shameful that Starmer wants to keep it even though his party members don't. Self before party and party before country. Fifth column fake.

@sashasscribbles

7 ай бұрын

Lets definitely get some protests for proportional representation going after the next election

@nathanaelsmith3553

7 ай бұрын

@@sashasscribbles Yes but Starmer also wont repeal the Tories' anti-protest laws, so it could be broken up and we could be arrested, even if protesting peacefully. I'd still be up for it though. I'm hoping for a left leaning coalition at the next election. I don't think Starmer has sufficient moral fibre to be trusted with a majority government.

@anggasurbakti8269

7 ай бұрын

@@nathanaelsmith3553 and how do you know this? From your ass?

If this trend hold up the Tories are going to be cooked worse than my grandmas Christmas chicken next year

@Yeppo_

7 ай бұрын

Excited for them to come out of the election more charred than anything I cook.

@Anthony-xd1lj

7 ай бұрын

do you realise that the tories dont have to call an election until 2025.

@pyromanic8

7 ай бұрын

@@Anthony-xd1lj The latest people will be voting is January 2025.

@MC-yt1uv

7 ай бұрын

We will see, I don't have that much faith in British voters. I predict there will be a swing back in the Conservative's favor after Boris Johnson says something like Labour is conspiring with the French to make everyone eat vegan cheese.

@Anthony-xd1lj

7 ай бұрын

​@@pyromanic8 what makes you think labour can be trusted? labour has failed for the past 13 years

The LibDems managed a blinder here, they didn’t do a deal but mainly campaigned in true Blue areas to vote split thus enhancing Labours overall chance.

@Redsleather

7 ай бұрын

Exactly how it needs to be played at the next General Election. Let the LibDems sweep up the south west, the west and the south east, Labour take the Midlands and north. Whatever it takes to be rid of a Tory MP

"Vote splitting" should not be a thing. It is easily and trivially eliminated by using preferential voting. First past the post is archaic and undemocratic.

Sunak was saying the country needs a change Country agreed Simple

If they can pull this off, fingers crossed they'll boot out Braverman in Fareham. That seat stayed blue even in 1997.

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

to replace with who Diane Abbot. Labour is a divisive , racist party, that will wreck the economy.

I kind of get how Conservative MPs and ministers have to put a positive spin on things, but the extent they are stretching to do so is quite laughable. Thankfully they are not yet to the extent of denying the election results, such as that seen in America

@richardgallagher4880

7 ай бұрын

It was illegal to vote Labour. So the torys won? You don't like the law?

@samuelandrewclark4564

7 ай бұрын

@@richardgallagher4880 what are you talking about?

@samuelandrewclark4564

7 ай бұрын

Give it time, I mean they don't seem to have quite reached the bottom of the barrel... yet!!

@richardgallagher4880

7 ай бұрын

@@samuelandrewclark4564 What words don't you understand?

@richardgallagher4880

7 ай бұрын

@@samuelandrewclark4564 Why do you think the rule of law is the bottom of the barrel? Because you'd be in jail?

Just a minor correction: Andrew Cooper didn't draw the flow chart but shared it already drawn on social media.

Because they're the epitome of incompetence

There were signs of tactical voting in both seats as well. Yes, the LibDems were up in Mid beds, but they only campaigned in the village areas which are traditional Tory voters, but would never ever bring themselves to vote Labour. As a result, this split the Tory vote, allowing Labour to win the seat despite Reform doing terrible in both of them.

@onenote6619

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely. I live in Mid Beds and Nadine Dorries was a hopeless MP from the get-go, becoming ever worse as time went by. Add on top of that the Tory incompetence on a national level and I voted for the party most likely to kick them to the kerb. As it happens, that aligned with personal inclinations.

@sashasscribbles

7 ай бұрын

Yeah thats kind of the thing, my perception is that as a more centrist party, the lib dems split the tory vote just as much as they split the labour one Would love to see actual data on that but yeah

@lizfuller400

7 ай бұрын

I will never forgive the Lib Dems, leader Nick Clegg, who I actually liked, until he formed a coalition with David Cameron to make the Tories win.

@Steviebond2

7 ай бұрын

Many others say that, but then how come they're winning by-election seats?

@carlharding5311

7 ай бұрын

There will be few three way marginals in the general election. The best party to vote for tactically will be obvious in nearly every case. It’s fine for Labour to win with the help of tactical voting and Tories staying at home. Own goals count.

5:37 - I can see the doorstep campaigning resident’s flow chart going “Are you campaigning for the Conservatives?” *Yes = F#*k Off* and they really asked for that one 😹

@peterfireflylund

7 ай бұрын

Pause the video and actually read the flowchart. If you don’t agree with it, there’s something very wrong with you.

@kubilaymendi5439

7 ай бұрын

@@peterfireflylundthe flowchart’s issue isn’t the points it raises itself, but rather the implication that a majority of the residents in poverty are lazy and spend frivolously.

@MsZeeZed

7 ай бұрын

@@peterfireflylund Oh haven’t I given everyone the time code to do just that? 😹 This is the thing, “reasonable” Conservatives will decry its just the thoughts of one bad apple, selected for Parliament, while the unsayable truth is they agree with it.

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

at least they have campaigners, not looking good with Labour who basically have none.

Tory voters are not voting for the Tory party. End of conversation.

@DW-dd4iw

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I'm a lifelong Conservative voter and I will NOT be voting Conservative in the next General Election. I won't be voting for any looney left or green parties either.

@arpandas2243

7 ай бұрын

​@@DW-dd4iwSo Labour???

@DW-dd4iw

7 ай бұрын

@@arpandas2243 😂

@arpandas2243

7 ай бұрын

@@DW-dd4iw Corbynite???

@DW-dd4iw

7 ай бұрын

@@arpandas2243 🤣🤣

A question would be - how much of this change was because of people becoming pro Lab/Lib and how much of it was anti-Tory? The outright incompetence, nastiness and corruption of the Tories in recent years on a national level likely contributes, as does the awfulness of these two specific candidates on a local level.

@PostingCringeOnMain

7 ай бұрын

It does feel to me that the one component missing from this story is that the one MP was a sex pest who's scandal brought down the most popular Tory PM since Thatcher and the other was... well... the other one was Nadine Dorries. While the results for Labour are obviously quite exciting, these aren't really indicators for a national trend. It's also a very easy time to boot out your Tory MP knowing that within a year or so, you can put a different one back in. I seriously wonder if these hadn't been Pincher and Dorries' seats, would Labour have still won them? I bet if they were just a couple of unknown backbenchers seats, they would have kept them... like they kept Boris' old seat. It didn't take much of an issue to keep Labour out by a handful of votes around a local issue (ULEZ) and we haven't really seen the Tory propaganda machine spinning up against Starmer yet. It's not that the Tories aren't unpopular, they clearly are... it's just that no ones really excited about voting for Labour and Starmer. What is obvious to me about all the byelections is that the Tories are just as fed up with their party and aren't bothering to vote and don't seem that bothered if Labour under Starmer get in because they realise not much is going to change regardless. We'll just have to see if that holds up come General Election time.

@rosiegiesler4705

7 ай бұрын

Who cares. Labour are a more competent party anyway

@2dradon2

7 ай бұрын

Labour and lib are far better alternatives. And have done far more good. Simple as that.

@rosiegiesler4705

7 ай бұрын

@@zUJ7EjVD I agree that there is a regular plectrum in politics where power shifts naturally. And I think this actually has been the main reason actually why the UK has managed to remain a democracy because no party can stay in power too long. And by long I don’t mean Thatcher long I’m talking 20,30,40 or even 50 years long. However I also believe that it is certainly possible for opposition to gain power without the need to force a power shift in the public. It happened with Thatcher and it happened with Tony Blair, It also happened with Boris Johnson. I’m not talking about there individual policies or about wether they were good leaders. I’m talking about there abilities to gain public support through there individual policies and shift the public mood. However good once in a generation politicians are rare.

@ricequackers

7 ай бұрын

I suspect more anti-Tory than pro-Lab/Lib in the case of mid-Beds. Turnout was 44%, results were 13,872 Lab, 12,680 Con, 9,420 Lib. That seems to indicate a desire to punish the Tories rather than any significant support for any specific party. Resonates with myself a lot really; none of the big three represent my views meaningfully so I'm going to struggle to vote in the 2024 GE. Maybe the MRLP...

1:53 Pincher's letter isnt talking about his resignation as an MP, it's talking about him resigning his position in government, as Deputy Chief Whip.

That flow chart. Jesus.

If the letter is real, starting a resignation from a political position with the words of "Last night I drank too much" is definitely something else.

It's a bit disappointing that Labour are solely polling a large majority based on the Tories incompetence and corruption, rather than because they offer something new and exciting.

@jaybee4288

7 ай бұрын

The problem with Labour is Keir Starmer. He’s no better than any of the recent Tory prime ministers and might turn out to be worse than them. I think he’s a lot like Boris. He was caught up in all the same scandals and has just as many dubious self interests. He rushes to praise the most horrific tory MPs when they die or leave the house, he ran in what would have been a historic all female field while touting the importance of female leaders and he sat with Boris joking and eating caviar at the queens jubilee. He was also condoning Israel war crimes this week. He’s essentially a tory leading the Labour Party. No real difference between him and Sunak, just people want a change.

@antonioscendrategattico2302

7 ай бұрын

@@jaybee4288 Exactly. Starmer is a return to Tony Blair, who tried his hardest to be indistinguishable from the Tories.

@fergfighter

7 ай бұрын

Diet Tories coming in 2024. Kier's Labour Party is a far cry from the labour movement. Can't be worse than the current shower

@mikefish8226

7 ай бұрын

And Corbyn did so well? The Labour party is the problem not its leader.

@unconventionalideas5683

7 ай бұрын

That works to his advantage by convincing the Tories that a Labour victory would be fine.

Keir 'not left enough' Starmer doing what Corbynites could never.

@sug365

7 ай бұрын

Lucked into his position with the passage of time. His personal poll ratings are terrible for a future incumbent.

Because the Tories insistence on culture wars is backfiring in a major way since Trans hatred is a complete non issue

@joshuacampbell1625

7 ай бұрын

They basically just imported culture war issues from the US, and it doesn't work because broadly speaking UK media is far less willing to engage with it compared to their US counterparts

@EmmaWithoutOrgans

7 ай бұрын

sadly trans hatred is a big issue, however trans people aren’t one

@dhamp_

7 ай бұрын

Maybe not for cis people, but sadly it's a very real issue for us :(

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

7 ай бұрын

Trans rights is an actual issue, because parties like the Republicans, Tories, and Liberals wanna take them away It wouldn't be an issue if they weren't stupid, now it is a major issue for them because people kinda get worried the second you throw people's human rights into the picture

@rorymoore9269

7 ай бұрын

​@@dhamp_indeed

All these huge swings to the opposition from the Tories proof that the Tories are finished 👏 Uxbridge was clearly an anomaly, and was on one issue and they only narrowly held on.

@Talisguy

7 ай бұрын

The Tories aren't finished until they're voted out. This certainly doesn't look good for them, but let's not celebrate prematurely.

@jamessteel9016

7 ай бұрын

@@Talisguy not taking anything for granted that would be silly, and I hope the opposition don’t get complacent.

@lloroshastar6347

7 ай бұрын

Uxbridge was also a huge Tory safe seat and had been Tory for a long time. I'd say the main reason Labour didn't win there was because people who would normally vote Labour voted Lib Dem or Green instead.

@Redsleather

7 ай бұрын

@@lloroshastar6347let’s not forget Uxbridge is such a diehard, loyal Tory seat even Blair couldn’t win it - however the media chose to ignore the fact Starmer managed to close the gap to a few hundred votes

@PopularesVox

7 ай бұрын

No huge swing, this report is plainly talking up the Labour victories, as in Tamworth, Labour only received something like 700 more votes than in 2019. The issue not being covered, is the disillusionment with the current political system and those who purport to represent the voters.

I don’t think any of those votes were for labour as much as they were against the tories.

@swangelok

7 ай бұрын

Six of some and half a dozen of the other

@Redsleather

7 ай бұрын

Who cares? It’s another 2 nails in the Tory coffin

@dafuzzymonster

7 ай бұрын

@@Redsleather I do, Kier Starmer is as left wing as David Cameron

@paulgibbon5991

7 ай бұрын

@@dafuzzymonster He's not a populist, diet-Trumpist gangster. And right now, that's where the bar is set.

@dafuzzymonster

7 ай бұрын

@@paulgibbon5991 that’s what bothers me, all the tories have to do to make sure their mates interests are maintained is to go so bonkers right wing that any opposition looks like communism. You wonder why he won’t support PR, it’s because he actually likes this two party “democracy” bullshit.

I think one aspect missing in this video is the conservatives who didn’t show up to vote. Many within the grassroots of the party don’t like Sunak, and they’re absolutely making it known. The big factor in my opinion won’t be how many people vote for labour, but how many conservatives stay home.

Tories are so self centred & LAZY they practically give it away, now.

Nothing in my life has taken longer than the wait for the next UK election. I’m not even British! Just seen so many of your videos on the depth of the Tory loses

Something that's a bit missing from this analysis is that in both by-elections, Reform UK's vote share combined with the Tories would have won both seats. There's been a lot of talk about vote splitting on the left, but it's also an issue on the right as well. It should also serve as a warning to Labour to not get complacent, they need to do more to squeeze the left vote in seats like Mid-Bedfordshire.

I am in awe by the speed that KZread spreads the news only four days for this to arrive.

off the top of my head the last decade would be my answer to the title question

Tories have simply became so incompetent even their voters started noticing it lol.

@alfching2499

7 ай бұрын

The Good Old Boris and Brexit No More Immigration Twits

@paulgibbon5991

7 ай бұрын

But-but-but look over there! Five Albanians in a dinghy! Brexit can work, we just need more positive vibes! Anti-Growth Coalition! Militant Wokeism!

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

sadley Labours voters can't see how incompetent, racist, divisive Labour actually is

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

@@alfching2499 yet Brexit worked dispite the Tories, we are doing better than the EU, paved the way on Vacinnes and Ukraine. So looks like the majority was right, the so called 'elites' where wrong. how's it feel being proved wrong time after time, 7 years and still you persist

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

​@@alfching2499 so do you want unlimited immigration, more illegals, lets pave over the Lake district, full of towns of mainly young men, who don't share your views on women, gays, religious freedom, and freedom from religion. People who are barely educated, will never be doctors,engineers as we enter a world of mass layoffs due to AI and Automation. What will they do, well you will pay for them, in increased taxes, maybe they decide you are not the right race for a job, and replace you. What did they bring us, great literature, music, comedy, no. They brought us the Quran , they brought us Blasmphamey laws, increased crime, reduced services. But the envirnoment will be fine, ah no they don't really share the same views on that. Was the UK that gave us the Beatles, Stones, James Bond, Football, good Beer, great comedy, beat the Nazi's, ended Slavery across the globe so bad. Maybe you don't care, your children however will.Why you destroyed their country for nothing.

Stealing 57 BILLION and getting away with it is shocking what a pay off...

Related as we Malaysians are to Great Britain as a former colony and current member of the Commonwealth, it seems we both share a common problem of useless and incompetent MP's xD that and a multitude of PM changes

honestly, I’m not even surprised. Could anyone tell me what sunak did to the uk, because in his almost or 1+ year being our prime minister. He didn’t do anything, or made any significant changes

@polarisnorth4875

7 ай бұрын

Well he scrapped a major investment project...

@redred7289

7 ай бұрын

What he hasn't done is most significant. He's not tackling climate change or the cost of living crisis and hasn't made any effort to save the NHS. Inflation is still above 6%. His plan to win the election is to engage in culture wars. But the voters who that resonates with still care more about the cost of living crisis and inflation.

@mastertrams

7 ай бұрын

​@@polarisnorth4875One might even say he dictatorially scrapped a major investment project. Parliament wasn't consulted. Network Rail wasn't consulted. Everyone that matters wasn't consulted. But I'd bet Rishi's friends on Tufton Street were consulted.

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

7 ай бұрын

Didn't he roll back climate reforms, piss off the Scottish, and piss off his entire party?

@davidfenton4387

7 ай бұрын

But he did nothing...full stop, about the NHS, and illegal immigrants situation. We still would be waiting when he'll freezes over.

it seems that evil psychopathy is not a winning combination for a political party

@lloroshastar6347

7 ай бұрын

@@Besthinktwice Ironic really that Meloni dumped her husband for behaviour fostered by her ideology. Literally the leader of the Leopard's eating faces party being shocked that a leopard ate her face. I'm getting more and more convinced that these right-wing populists are just totally delusional.

How did they not lose more?

From a country with compulsory election attendance, it is hard to get one's head around how few people vote

Let's not be surprised by that flowchart. It more or less represents the current government's policy, right?

@peterfireflylund

7 ай бұрын

Is it wrong, though? Have you actually read it?

@user-pn4py6vr4n

7 ай бұрын

@@peterfireflylund Putting a phone plan on it was out of touch. It might make sense if you're a decrepit old person single digits away from the afterlife, but in modern times, a phone, or a computer of some sort, is a requirement for conducting your affairs. You need it to review products so you can make appropriate purchases. You need it to search and apply for jobs. You need a phone number to apply for so many things these days. And on the price: poor man pays twice. It's always better to go with a more high quality, more expensive item in the long term, because the alternative is a conga line of cheap items that break much faster, and end up costing you more in the long run. Poverty is expensive. So it's really horrible to be shaming someone for investing in such an important piece of hardware, when that's literally one of the best things they could be doing to lift themselves out of the pit that is poverty.

@PhysicsGamer

7 ай бұрын

@@peterfireflylund When >90% of the flowchart is dedicated to claiming poor people are wasting their money and the acknowledgement that people do sometimes need help is crammed into the corner (and rendered as "GET HELP"...), it's obvious what the chart is *actually* saying.

Huge defeat for Sunak or a verdict on Bojo's chaotic and immoral behaviour?

@sug365

7 ай бұрын

Nobody gives a shite about that. Not the people who count anyway.

@raggedcritical

7 ай бұрын

It's all Sunak. The public were more than willing to give him a chance after the Truss disaster but he's so inept as PM and so weak as Tory part leader that he's created his own disasters entirely independent of Johnson in only a handful of months. It's not unthinkable that he'll have to face a vote of no confidence - it's still unlikely but there shouldn't be any possibility at all.

@paulgibbon5991

7 ай бұрын

Johnson, Truss, then Sunak. Three different flavours of failure--sleazy and corrupt covered up with a veneer of public-school goofiness, a robber who defrauded the country to send money to Kwarteng's chums, and then the second choice who has no ideas except to beat the culture war drum and worsen climate change.

Not having a preferential voting system is insane

If people think 4 or 5 years of a Labour government will significantly change or fix anything.....we'll talk again in 4 or 5 years.

Looking at all these major Tory to Labour flips, I wonder if any of the Tories who are gunning for the leadership job after Sunak's defeat will be voted out at the elections themselves. Like imagine Suella Braverman out as an MP while she's dreaming about being Leader lol

I said this last year the night of the Wakefield by election, if I was a Tory what would have worried me more than losing the seats that they did that night but the fact they lost the seats in totally different ways. Thursday might have been even worse because not only did they lose both by elections they did so to Labour and in two very different voting bases one with a strong LD showing and one when it collapsed. I'm sure part of the Tory GE strategy will be based on the belief that in seats that both Labour and LDs are competitive they should prevail, indeed historically that has been the case since World War One.

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

Labour showing was pathethic what 800 seat gain, they won't win with that

5:40 To suggest that someone who's lost their job with a kid should 'fuck off' is bold.

That flow chart!! Wow.

In summary, the Tories lose because they are actually terrible people who are terrible at their jobs What a shocker 😂 This party is the worst things to happen to this country over the last 13 years

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

yet even through their incompetence , they are still better than Labour.Labour can never be good, the Tories can if they act smart

@nathanmartin811

7 ай бұрын

@@davidrenton oof, that damage control for the Tories is real I don't think anyone could have messed up more than the Tories did over the past 13 years In fact, if they hadn't done anything, it really would have been better than what they've done with just lining their and their friends' and family's pockets

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

@@nathanmartin811 i don't disagree and therefore 20k stayed home. I'm not saying the Tories will pull it back, they are planks to be honest. My Cat is smarter. But if and it's a big if, they start delivering on certain things in the next year, it easy for them to turn it around. As i say Labour are max out, the Tories are getting a 3rd of what they could get. This is not about Labour support, it's barely changed since 2019, it's about Tories not voting. It's a simple numbers game, maths, forget the politics for 2 seconds. This is the last lap of the grand prix Labour ahead by 5 seconds, but the Tories just need to put on the Gas 100% and gain 6 seconds

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

@@nathanmartin811 remember the turnout was abysmal.35.87%for Tamworth. 1/3rd voted, You would expect say 65%-70% i don't bet , but i bet the odds are favourable for a Tory win, 11/1 Just checked. Might be worth a flutter.

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

@@nathanmartin811 again not a tory i understand why people don't vote for them.however Labour are worse. the real issue here is not the Tories, but the fact the 2 main parties are both so undesirable . if i could vote so neither got in i would. A good portion of the electorate both on the left and right, is not served by either party. They serve a minority, probably a 3rd of the country. Neither should be in power. If i had my way both the Conservatives and Labour would be gone. Lib Dems don't count, they aren't relevant.

I’m not political but I would disagree with the statement that ‘Tamworth isn’t as Tory as mid-Bedfordshire’. Tamworth is the home of the Conservative Party. Sir Robert Peel founded it in Tamworth’s town hall and he was the MP for over 20 years. Sir Peel would become technically the first Conservative MP and PM. Additionally despite Tamworth being a former mining town and canal hub like its northern Staffordshire county town in the Potteries - Stoke-on-Trent, Tamworth however has been Conservative for most of its existence (unlike Stoke-on-Trent which is strong red wall seat until recently under Boris). The only exceptions for Tamworth were an early blip in the early 1800s when it was controlled by the Liberals over the ‘Unionist Party’ (the precursor to the today’s Conservative and Unionist Party) and then Labour won it in the early Blair years. So this is a massive accomplishment for Labour to have a over 29% swing and to over turn a 19,000 majority in the home of the Conservative Party is a total disaster for the Tories! As I said I’m not actively political but as a history student - historically this is a big deal, bigger than Mid-Beds. The only reason why it’s not being talked about more compared to Mid-Beds is because Mid-Beds was a 25,000 majority and that the previous local MP (Nadine Dorries) has become notoriously famous due to her role in the Boris Johnson Cabinet, the drama she has caused and her inability to act out her duties as a MP. If anything - the Tamworth by-election is more significant than Mid-Beds because Labour has literally stormed the Tory’s castle and now having a party in their home! When Tory’s can’t even secure safety in their own homelands you the forecast isn’t good for them if these results kept on coming. It might even be the end of the Conservative Party as we know it…

I've been waiting for this video

I've been waiting for this one ...

Labour's share of the vote didn't really increase that much. In fact, it went down. Mid Bedfordshire, in 2019, 14,028, and on Thursday, 13,.872. Tamworth went up by 811. Our voting system is broken.

@Morning404

7 ай бұрын

Exactly! No one in the media seem to be talking about the shocking TURNOUT! This isn't a 'victory' because of starmer, this is national tory VOTE COLLAPSE.

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

7 ай бұрын

Imagine being so bad that originally true-Tory voters would literally rather stay home than vote for you

@WhichDoctor1

7 ай бұрын

yes but the voter turnout in 2019 was around 67%, in the by election it was 44%. Which is totally normal. It's pretty much always the case that turnout in by elections is significantly lower than generals. So maintaining pretty much the same number of votes when there were significantly fewer people of every political leaning voting means labour captured a much bigger part of those who did vote, which is how they won. If their support had stayed the same, you would have expected their number of votes to have gone down around 20%

@ianotimelord

7 ай бұрын

@WhichDoctor1 I heard that a lot of Tory voters stayed away. If true, would they vote in a GE?Labour are only winning because the Tories are in such a mess. Certainly not for any endorsement of Starmer & Co

@rickkybobby8118

7 ай бұрын

@@ianotimelord Labour did well to maintain their vote with a 30% drop in turnout. And yes i know lifelong tories who stayed home because "no one earned my vote" which really just means they want more from the Tories and wont ever vote anywhere else

In Tamworth, 10% of people voted for parties to the right of the Tories. It's kinda crazy how despite how much they are pandering to their right wing base, it's still not enough for them.

@davidrenton

7 ай бұрын

The Tories are not right wing. And well most of Europe is trending Right wing, why not the UK. the left has failed, it's toxic, divsive, racist. to be Right wing is to accept reality, to want National security, Job Growth, to base employment on merit. These are good ideas, this is why Europe is moving towards the right,it's had enough of the left. The UK is a centre right country, always has been, always will be.

~20k Tory voters just didn't show up in each.

Hilarious watching the clip of the Tamworth fleeing as soon as he learned he lost lol

This is like asking why America has so many school shootings.... Everyone knows.

Labour vote, number not %, virtually unchanged. Tory voters didn't bother voting at all and didn't switch to opposition in large numbers either. Only takeaways are that Tories are toast and Labour will get in not because anyone trusts or likes Starmer but because voter apathy will effect the Tories more.

@Morning404

7 ай бұрын

Thank you. No one in the media seems to be taking this rational view. Everyone keeps praising starmer as if he has anything to do with it 🙄

@Talisguy

7 ай бұрын

​@@Morning404 His strategy of not being Sunak seems to be paying dividends. Which, sadly, doesn't give him any incentive to aim higher than "better than Sunak."

@Hadrian363

7 ай бұрын

You would have had a chance with Boris and that's why we wanted him out, getting Sunak in was a gift to us all non Tory voters 😊 because no one would vote for that wet wipe for PM in a million years anyway.

@lloroshastar6347

7 ай бұрын

@@Hadrian363 Tories have no viable candidates left, Boris was already causing the Tories to drop in the polls because he kept on being corrupt and couldn't stop himself. Liz Truss was always going to be a failure, anyone with a brain could see that. Sunak is steadier than both, but just capitulates to the right of the party all the time and is incredibly weak as a result. He's not willing what's required to benefit the country, so the Tories are doomed.

Funny to see a clip of my house in your video (I'm in Tamworth).

Simple they failed to listen to the people & elected the wrong person as their leader .

In NZ it was the opposite lol

@Dave_Sisson

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. In both NZ and UK, it's a standard reaction against long term incumbents who have at least slightly lost the plot. While the keyboard political warriors will claim these big by-election swings are only against centre-right parties, they also happen to centre-left parties in similar circumstances.

@heyhey922

7 ай бұрын

​@@Dave_SissonGordon Brown had some nasty byelections leading up to 2010

@Steven-vo4ee

7 ай бұрын

@@Dave_Sisson The Tories are no-longer centre right, they’re firmly to the right and drift further in that direction daily.

@sug365

7 ай бұрын

And with good reason.

@sug365

7 ай бұрын

This is deluded nonsense and you're in for a rude awakening in a few years if you believe that.@@Steven-vo4ee

Interestingly something similar has happened here in NZ, there has been a strong pivot from left wing to right wing and many of our Labour party safe seats are looking to turn to the National party (think Conservative but its NZ so not as far right wing)

@sug365

7 ай бұрын

We don't have a left or right wing in Britain . We have plain liberalism or vanilla liberalism. Both stuck in the 20th century.

@Lighthawk1986

7 ай бұрын

If you think conservatives are right wing then you’re in for a sickener when some actual right wingers turn up.

@PhysicsGamer

7 ай бұрын

@@sug365 The problem is that anything left of that just... doesn't get votes. Hasn't for decades.

I mean, it's a pretty solid flow chat. 😂

What do we do when no political party has our best interests at heart and we feel represented by nobody?

It' makes my blood boil that our only realistic options are between a very nasty political party, and a slightly less nasty political party. If we had PR I doubt most people would continue voting the way they usually do, but it's unrealistic to think either of the main parties will ever allow this change to happen.

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

7 ай бұрын

Man just described every democracy in the Anglosphere

@KelticStingray

7 ай бұрын

​@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500news just in. This guy thinks the UK and US are the entire western hemisphere. The UK and Belarus are the o ly fptp system in Europe.

@shadowshots9393

7 ай бұрын

Revolts are always a thing

@David_Bower

7 ай бұрын

@@shadowshots9393 Revolts seem like a good thing in the moment, but invariably result in a worse reality.

@paulgibbon5991

7 ай бұрын

Which Labour policy do you disagree with?

I cannot believe that flowchart is real, how the hell could anyone in any professional role, post that publicly and get away with it?

5:52 - After saying that parts of Tanworth are deprived, the video shows our road. We're not a deprived area! 😂

I'm not a Tory, and I've never seen that flow chart before, but I agree. Although I might replace 'F-off' with 're-adjust your priorities', and add tattoos, subscriptions, alcohol and tobacco to the list.

@iapetusmccool

7 ай бұрын

So, if someone is unemployed, can't feed their children, and doesn't have any discretionary spending left to cut, what priorities should the readjust?

Abolish first past the post system and introduce a preferences voting ,then you will see how unpopular the Tories are .

What on earth is it with other democratic systems holding elections on any day other than a Saturday? Especially when voting is optional? Not voting in the weekend, and not giving a day off for voters, is just asking for some level of voter disenfranchisement.

The penny as dropped for the true British public, Rushi is pro immigration legal or illegal, the bile he churns out about stopping the boats is embarrassing, the only immigrants to leave the UK. His him and his family when he loses the next GE. Not that he'll care he'll still have his PM, pension for life .

I hope that people will vote the Tories out of existence next year the time has come for this cancer government that has been in power for 13 years to be removed from power as far as I am the Tories should be banned from government forever for all of the damage and suffering they have caused since 2010.

Do you hate the Tories? 👇

@zaksharman

7 ай бұрын

No it's just the facts conservatives like you don't know what those are since all you do is spread hatred towards minority groups

@TheMusicalElitist

7 ай бұрын

Yes

@VyndakistOfficial

7 ай бұрын

Yes, And Vote Reform UK

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

7 ай бұрын

I'm offended that this is even a question, how can people not hate them at this point

@soundscape26

7 ай бұрын

​@@VyndakistOfficialYes, the best way to help Labour is to split the right-wing vote. 😄

Music to my ears I tell you

They have spent several years preparing scrupulously for this.

Hahahaha that flow chart is excellent

It’s just time for a change man

5:42 Troy: “proper voting material”

By elections are notorious for normally safe seats being flipped as voters there usually want to protest vote and objectively think about the candidates they're voting for and not just the party attached to their name.

The flowchart at 5:43 was completely reasonable in my opinion.

Someone should make a video about that flow chart.

I thought the flowchart was an ironic piss-take at this government. It’s not ironic? Just wow. Totally unhinged

It's quite simple, at a time of a cost of living crisis they picked a fight with people rather than sit down and negotiate.

Speaking as an ex-conservative: the party just has no natural constituency anymore. Their traditional supporters have been totally abandoned on all the issues they care about. The ex-Labour voters they got in 2019 are drifting back because their lives are getting worse and Starmer isn't as horrifying as Corbyn was. The middle-ground floating voters have seen them utterly fail on every issue they've said was a priority. And the committed leftists hate them out of habit. Whether you liked them or not, the conservative party used to have a clear set of values, principles and beliefs: border control, family, tradition, patriotism, free markets etc. Now they just seem to be management hires for an international elite, who have no particular attachment to Britain at all. And the worst part is - Labour will somehow manage to be even worse.

A lot of candidates suffering from moral halitosis.

Nice to see big man Bedford represented in national news. Place is overrun with starneys but at least something has happened there

The only thing that surprises me is that there were some Tory Voters... I mean talk about flogging a dead horse... what were they thinking 😆

Swapped one party that won't reserve Brexit and won't scrap the two-child benefit cap for another party that won't reserve Brexit and won't scrap the two-child benefit cap.

@jonathanbowers8964

7 ай бұрын

Reversing Brexit can't happen overnight and will likely be off the table for a decade or two. The rest of the EU has to agree to open negotiations with the UK, which given how awful the UK has been in recent negotiations is highly unlikely. The best Starmer can do is promise closer ties, maybe work towards getting the UK into the EFTA (would have to really suck up to Norway to get that done though), and make it clear that the UK will commit to an open border on the island of Ireland. Once in power, if the votes are there, Starmer could propose a referendum on Irish Reunification as a way to resolve the UK's remaining tension with the EU. He could in theory call for another referendum on rejoining the EU, but considering that the EU doesn't want the UK back right now, it would be a meaningless symbolic gesture that would make voters angry once they realize that Starmer can't unilaterally reverse Brexit.

The flow chart was actually quite funny

Great, all MP's that were not in the house on 20th Oct should resign

Because nobody could be arsed to turn up, I think most voters feel disenfranchised to begin with.

Pincher now Bone,it’s like a dirty movie 😂

What a wonderful day!

@AreHan1991

7 ай бұрын

Seems like the democrazy in the UK actually works

One can only hope this trend extends across the Atlantic when it's time for U.S. voters to go to the polls in '24.

@troll2161

7 ай бұрын

Nah, they’re f*cked. No but seriously, at this point there is no alternative to a Democratic victory in 2024. If the Republicans win, that’s probably the end of democracy in the US. They’re like the Tories except they take every bad attribute of the Tories and manage to be like 10 times worse.

*stares at the burning economy, constant discrimination and the monster of Brexit* Hmm, I wonder why people have gotten so sick of the Tories?

Nadine 'I outlasted a lettuce' Dorries -what a gal!

The Elensky curse

5:41 the flow chart is true tho 😂

I accidentaly read Toriel instead of Tories and was extremly confused to until I double checked

I love how the Tories response to their failure is ‘well our voters stayed home’. So what they are going to suddenly vote at the next one? Their level of laziness, and complacency is staggering. Also the quality of their Candidates was exceedingly poor. One still campaigning for his job as police commissioner and the other telling the poor to F**k off. Yeah, not great…….

@rickkybobby8118

7 ай бұрын

Honestly its true. Turnout was 44% down from 70%. It would be reasonable to expect at least mid beds to flip blue in the GE, IF the Tories pander to their base and produce any little scrap of economic upturn