the Tiger1 is a medium hiding in a heavy's body, the panther is a heavy hiding in a medium's

@elliotsmith102

2 жыл бұрын

Misgendered tank lol

@CrniWuk

Жыл бұрын

@@elliotsmith102 Not too far from the truth actually. From a certain angle, in 1945 the Tiger could be classifed by German standards as "medium". Which shows how much tank development and doctrine has changed even during WW2.

@panther-nk2hn

Жыл бұрын

@@CrniWuk Side profile of Tiger 1 and Pz 4 H is pretty similar.

@CrniWuk

Жыл бұрын

@@panther-nk2hn That as well. Which kinda added to the allied confusion where a Panzer IV was sometimes mistaken for a Tiger I. But I was talking about doctrine and classification. For example, the Tiger I was considered a heavy brake trough tank, due to it's 88. Which was a relatively large caliber for the Germans when the Tiger was first used. By 1945 though, the Germans also had the Panther, which was a similar weight class like the Tiger, had better frontal protection even, but was considered a medium tank. The Tiger 1 was also very often used in a tank destroying role rather than as brake trough tank as well.

@paint4r

9 ай бұрын

@@CrniWukwell it's more about doctrine. The Tiger was intended for short range breakthroughs. The Panther was intended to be more suitable for "maneuever warfare." This is backed up by the fact that the Panther had the better cross-country speed, at least once they fixed the reliability issues. However, due to how the war was going, both ended up fighting defensively the majority of the time, at which both excelled due to how they outranged most allied contemporaries.

The Panther D is probably the most capable 5.3 tank there is when it's full uptiered. By a large margin. I'd rather this than a 75mm Jumbo for sure. I'm never upset when I get a 6.3 game in this thing. Whereas, if I get a full uptier in an M4A2 76 it's a different story. There's hardly a 6.3 that you can't deal with with the Panther D. It's one of the best pound for pound tanks in the game regardless of it's poor turret traverse.

@dutchthespitfire3204

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed OddbawZ, Altough its a quite tricky vehicle too master its really good

@mikhail-yug-9581

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I'd argue that the Sherman's .50 and stabiliser alone makes it better than the Panther D...

@dutchthespitfire3204

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikhail-yug-9581 It always depends on the player When i meet Shermans in my Panther they act like they are braindead

@twinsnails4983

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikhail-yug-9581 So the stabilizer alone compensates better maneuverability armor optics and gun

@mikhail-yug-9581

2 жыл бұрын

@@twinsnails4983 By itself, not necessarily, but the stabiliser paired with the .50, certainly. And now that you've mentioned it, it's quite sad that optics don't matter quite as much as they've done in real life, well, that's just another advantage which the German tanks can't enjoy because of Gaijin...

Panther is good, people just overextend when using it.

@noahsawesomevids422

2 жыл бұрын

The panther doesn’t like facing M4a3e2 jumbo

@Lewd-Tenant_Isan

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahsawesomevids422 then again, neither does any German tank that isnt a TD

@dutchthespitfire3204

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahsawesomevids422 And the other way around

@CRL_One

2 жыл бұрын

​@@noahsawesomevids422 Half of frags in video are Spookston lolpen-ing Jumbos from any angle.

@cropathfinder

2 жыл бұрын

lol no , most players just sit back with german vehicles and there you see how OP the 5.3 (+ panther) germans are compared to everything out there while comparable tanks in other trees that could counter their 5.3s like 76 jumbo and E8 are way too high in comparison. Hell the 44 IS 2 doesn't deserve a higher rating then the normal one given its actual performance. It gets nothing beneficial to justified it just like the straight T34-85 in the russian tree. Meanwhile the american tree around 6Br is a mess with jumbo pershing not deserving 6.7 given that its only a pershing thats slower and has some armor and super pershing barely can be called 6.7 worthy and its likely gonna be upgraded just to justify having the jumbo at 6.7 even tho its a SPG more then a heavy

The Panther is such a good tank: awesome gun, capable armor and great mobility. The A variant is definitely the go-to because it has the strongest engine and best turret traverse. Definitely worth the marginally higher BR.

@digitaal_boog

2 жыл бұрын

Also can be an spaa. I nailed a Pe 5 with the cannon last week

@lunatic_nebula9542

2 жыл бұрын

a and f is good af

@Germanempireaboolilel

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunatic_nebula9542 A yes F not so much.

@blu5021

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is, German players suck

@bro3217

2 жыл бұрын

Can someone's explain this with actual facts and logic? I'm confused why every thinks this.

3:46-3:52 "Is it great at killing tanks? Absolutely. Is it good at winning games? No." WW2 late-war German tanks in a Nutshell...

@vinccool96

2 жыл бұрын

IRL too

@damonhe585

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@hubris6567

2 жыл бұрын

Pros: German Technology Cons: German Teammates

@dukeoftoast2420

2 жыл бұрын

@@hubris6567 indeed and that's why I find 5.3 One of the most painful BR in Germany. People rush to the Panther and Tiger I and thinks that they're immune to everything.

@titan_tanker

2 жыл бұрын

And that’s what makes this game frustrating. Wehraboos: -has better tanks -play bad bcs they are spoiled Gaijin: *moves their BR down bcs stATisTicS* Freeaboo: -has inferior tanks -gets good Gaijin: *moves their BR up bcs they are doing TOO WELL*

The Panther is an excellent tank that almost never needs to worry about aiming for weakpoints or difficulty with long-range shots, and the UFP is one of the few remaining examples of functional armour in the game. Keep everything in front of you and keep the gun firing, and it'll make absolute bank.

@peepeepoopoo2535

2 жыл бұрын

When you dont have to aim for weakpoints yet everyone else has it's a sign the tank is undertiered.

@phantomaviator1318

2 жыл бұрын

@@peepeepoopoo2535 correct

@bro3217

2 жыл бұрын

So because I don't have to aim for weak points, that makes a tank overpowered? So the American M56 is broken, or maybe the soviet PT76? Your logic is stupid. The panther has good armor yes, but guess what? It has one of the weakest sides and tops in the br. In warthunder, there's always something shooting at you from all sides. The panther definitely isn't broken considering all you need to need to do is shoot the mantlet while moving since you have a stabilizer (assuming you are a sherman, which is the dominant tank that you always see in every match) and laugh as the panther is useless after taking its tracks out with the 50. Cal.

@bro3217

2 жыл бұрын

Another thing, the panther actually does have to aim. But like every tank, in an uptier it stomps. The jumbo is an equal tank at that br and bounces all panther shells from the front unless at point black range. Is2s are also a huge threat. I sometimes wonder if people who complain about their stuff are just mad that they died to a better player, cuz that is what it seems like.

@blackwidowrsa

2 жыл бұрын

@@bro3217 because everyone wants their nation of choice to be OP without realizing it

The uptier ratio you had for the panther is my normal for most tanks

@houjisaifeddine5524

2 жыл бұрын

kinda fun how he think the normal uptier ratio is something weird XD

@oui_oui5177

2 жыл бұрын

@@houjisaifeddine5524 ikr

I’ve notice that everyone would blitz in the beginning then just become pillboxes after the first few die

@jashloseher578

2 жыл бұрын

Ze German Sitzkrieg in action.

@bruhbruh13968

2 жыл бұрын

@@jashloseher578 sitzkrieg lmao

@AndyViant

2 жыл бұрын

That's like every single darn match for every nation. Cowards worried about losing pixels.

The Panther and Tiger are both really good tanks but I can see where new players struggle with them. Both tanks have good armor and guns but the biggest problem is mobility and turret traverse. These can make good tanks very annoying to newer players as most players wont have good situational awareness by the time they reach them. Couple that with poor turret travers and mobility plus 5.7-6.7 being the most popular BRs. The result is new players in tanks with poor reaction times fighting much more experienced players with the knowledge of these tanks weak spots burnt into their skulls and a very frustrating time for those who know what they're doing but get given a loss because they can't fight an entire team by themselves.

@siko9799

2 жыл бұрын

the tiger and panther have great mobility for their class wym mobility is the biggest problem?

@999mi999

2 жыл бұрын

Biggest problem is Gaijin's shit progression system. A new player can jump straight from PZIIIM to a Tiger, with absolutely nothing in between to prepare the player for that kind of br shift or style of playing. Often you see players playing the Tiger like a pziii-iv and dying horribly exactly for that reason, but i guess it's funnier to laugh at nonexisting wehraboos than to address the real issue: Gaijin's progression system.

@maybeasinner8007

2 жыл бұрын

@@siko9799 Bro Panther turret can't turn for shit, the reverse speed is also wack. Do you wanna reverse if things go south? well, guess what, 3/4 kmph reverse speed in your face.

@danawr45

2 жыл бұрын

@@maybeasinner8007at that br no tank have good reverse speed except the is and the kv85

@themistaken9571

2 жыл бұрын

@@maybeasinner8007 if you know p much your only 2 weaknesses, it really shouldn't be too hard to overcome them with a relatively minor adjustment to your playstyle

Panther: *Sealclubbing* Spookston: hOw BaD iS tHe PaNtHeR

The pz4/70 is arguably a superior tank to both the panther d and the tiger h1 at the same br. When I get into a 5.3 game with my 5.3 lineup I will take out the pz4/70 as a first spawn every time. Last downtier I got, I had 8 kills and zero deaths

@drinkyourwater1039

2 жыл бұрын

this tank is the reason i keep an ISU-122 in my 5.3 lineup, i know damn well that my team will suffer if one of these stays in a good position in a capture point, requiring extra firepower, it's not a good tank overall, but it can crack the toughest of nuts of the battle rating

@themistaken9571

2 жыл бұрын

It + bush = ez clap. To an extent I agree as your whole tank is basically the UFP of a panther w/o any weakspot frontally and its very hard to hit the barrel at anything other than close range

@SpencerBaum

2 жыл бұрын

@@drinkyourwater1039 so true! Honestly the only things frontally you have to be scared of in the pz4/70 are the isu-122 and some of the British apds boys. Nothing else can pen you from the front at the br

@callidusvulpes5556

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpencerBaum I mean, lots of things can pen you from the front if they hit the lower plates, but generally that only results in a broken transmission and maybe a gummy beared crew.

@drinkyourwater1039

2 жыл бұрын

@@callidusvulpes5556 You guys don't forget the ISU-152 and the IS-2, these can penetrate easily too

The Panther D,A and G frontal turret armor is wrong in WT , as you mentioned at the T26E5 you can do this here too . In WT there is only the mantlet and nothing behind , irl there is still a 50mm round plate behind the mantlet . This is not modelled in WT , on Panther armor drawings you can see this . If you put the mantlet off , you can't see inside the turret as it is in WT . Mantlets are hard to pen irl , in WT they are sometimes weak spots . So the Panther got about ~ 150mm as the Tiger 1 got 140mm . A mantlet protects the gun and breech , the actual turret has still a front plate . A mantlet is not the front turret armor .

@Welterino

Жыл бұрын

THIS! only turretless tank destroyers had a hole behind the mantlet, to be able to traverse the gun left and right. Every normal tank has NO MANTLET WEAKSPOT on the contrary it is usually the strongest part of the tank.

It’s a good tank for covering points, particularly those that are open or have good sight lines.

I remember when I got this tank, I was so excited because I could finally not get penned frontally all the time.

Lately it feels like no matter what country I play, or what BR i play, its always full uptiers.

@elliotsmith102

2 жыл бұрын

Ye it’s odd, who is even getting the downtiers when it feels like everyone is getting uptiered?

me liek spookston vids

@FSDRyan

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@angrydoggo2232

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@prestonyanchunpo2639

2 жыл бұрын

ŶĒŠ

2:33 the Whole "Germany Suffers" meme stems from relentless uptiers that used to happen in the 5.7-6.7 range. If you played there you were almost Guaranteed an Uptier and the BR lineup vs things like the Tiger And Panther were even Worse; my first game with a Tiger I H I got 1 shot through my lower Glacis by a T-44 and US T-29s were a repeated nightmare you were almost helpless against. That's not even counting the Marauding M18 Hellcats hiding behind seemingly every bush, rock and house, shitty teammates even before modern tanks existed AND then CAS Spam to boot. I barely used Panther tanks after a while after constantly getting laser sniped on my gun mantlet or cannon barrel constantly, especially by British Tanks with APDS rounds.

@drinkyourwater1039

2 жыл бұрын

TBF the T-44 is quite balanced for 6.3, the 85 mm gun struggles a lot and the only reliable armor is the UFP, any turret shot from any gun of the game can pen it, also, as it has good mobility and bad gun depression, so it is not common to find a T-44 sniping, still a fun AF tank to play tho

@Yayaloy9

2 жыл бұрын

@@drinkyourwater1039 My first time in a panther D, I spot a t44 leaving his backside completely expose to me 90 degree flat. Hit his back side turret at point black range and the fucking thing bounce, the t44 reverse and one shot me. Panther stop being my goto tank ever since.

@bickboose9364

2 жыл бұрын

@@drinkyourwater1039 The statement about T-44's UFP being the only reliable armor is quite wrong from my experience fighting it. That thing's turret is trolly as hell.

@D3R3bel

2 жыл бұрын

Keep fucking crying. Ooooh with my tiger h1 i got shot by a t44 and t29 :((( How the fuck do you think it feels to get shot by a king tiger using a sherman e8? Or a t34 85? I keep getting sniped in the barrel of my panther or cannon breech :((( Yeah because on the other factions 5.7 tanks, you dont need to snipe the barrel to kill them, you just shoot through the ufp and they die instantly. Every factions 5.7 suffers retarded amounts of uptiers, the difference is germans can actually deal with it, while us and soviets are left with low penetration and zero armour.

One thing I don't like about War Thunder is that the firing sounds like you smash a pan against someone's head

@Marcos-ms1ij

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@elijahmontgomery4146

3 ай бұрын

Ahhh, the sound of a frying pan smashing against a human skull. Takes me back to my childhood.

Edit: I suggest changing the title to say "Panther D" specifically.

Congrats on hitting 150k!

They really should switch the classifications of the Panther D and Tiger 1 lmao.

Love your videos

Just love how you add subnautica soundtracks to you movie, just keeps me in a vibe while listnening to the review of the panther

you may wanna take a look at a game called Post Scriptum! They just released their new armour update and they took a pretty nice attempt at making the tank gameplay very realistic!

The panther is an awesome tank, if you know how to play it right.

@drillofthedeath879

2 жыл бұрын

You can say that in any tank

@Aes880

2 жыл бұрын

@@drillofthedeath879 yea try use the Jumbo again King tiger or T-34-85 again panther

@drillofthedeath879

2 жыл бұрын

You mean again or against? But don’t worry, I’ve seen people on King Tiger not knowing where to shoot a Jumbo that was slightly angled and the shots on the front bounced…

@RareFroggy

2 жыл бұрын

​@@drillofthedeath879 true, it's just more apparent in the panther as not many new players know how to play it.

@bro3217

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aes880 the jumbo is a 5.3 tank, the tiger 2 p is 6.3. You are just bad

I've been trying to use a Panther Lineup being the F, D & A (only just got the research done for the G). I can't get used to them, I feel every game I am outskilled or I get blasted by CAS every game. Finishing with an average awful 0k-2d or 2a-4d. They are fiercely capable in engagements from watching players such as Spookston or Phly or lesser known channels but fuck. I don't get what to do when using these tanks. Shame because all I want to do now is play that Panther lineup.

@nahuelleandroarroyo

2 жыл бұрын

My first match on a stock panther i got like 8 kills without dying, i had to slow down because i had damage i could not fix. Its an excellent tank, only push on absolut favorable odds, the side armour and the turret traverse dont allow mistakes

@nico-nico-nia2069

2 жыл бұрын

@@nahuelleandroarroyo the D at 5.3 is decently comfortable to use but using the F at 6.0 and other Panthers in that line up I find incredibly difficult.

@morva4498

Жыл бұрын

@@nico-nico-nia2069 I find them enjoyable.

@morva4498

Жыл бұрын

Don't be the Frontline with these tanks. You want to be sniping with them or behind allies. You have to relax, find a good spot to stay and snipe for a bit or follow allies as support. You want to avoid getting flanked so keep your distance.

Kind of unrelated to this video in particular, but I just want to say that I love your content. The short videos with a good amount of uploads is really nice, and even tho the videos are short, they’re very informative both about war thunder and tanks in general.

"The differences between a bad tank and a good tank,is the player that control it"

I always love how spookston introduces me to new and cool rock songs

Love the video's spookston. Have you ever thought of doing a historical community event in Warthunder?

A lot of people don’t seem to realize that you can pen a jumbo’s front plate with the panther from decently close range

@coneinggaming6285

2 жыл бұрын

Iirc you can pen with panther and tiger if jumbo is not angled but I might be wrong and smoking crack

@ilikepies4877

2 жыл бұрын

@@coneinggaming6285 idka tiger I’ve only done it with panther

@pakornwattanavrangkul2550

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is, whenever I get close to a jumbo, it breaks my barrel. I think this happens more with the jumbos since it’s the mindset you have when using the tank.

@ilikepies4877

2 жыл бұрын

@@pakornwattanavrangkul2550 shake your turret or hull

@mozuesolympian2988

2 жыл бұрын

You can pen the front upper plate, the lower plate, the mantle, the capola, the machine gunner, through the tracks, he’ll you can bounce off the gun into the turret itself at close medium or long range even if jumbo is angled. Especially in up tier. Playing jumbo is no fun anymore it belongs back at 5.0

You should do the leopard next, I think it would be a good video

@darkice4546

2 жыл бұрын

1? 2?

@avregecenturion5719

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkice4546 I'd assume he means the leopard 1 as it is common at 7.3

@bro3217

2 жыл бұрын

He's probably call it op like he does sadly...

@darkice4546

2 жыл бұрын

@@bro3217 u mean Spookston? Well, He understands the Game and is pretty good at it Most vehicles are good or at least usable If you know how to.... But Most, including me, usually dont

@gregorym70400

2 жыл бұрын

@@bro3217 The leo 1 is veryyy powerfull

i love how you used the Gunner HEAT pc voices in war thunder lol

the gameplay voice rhymes really well with the metal music

panther D is one of the best tanks tier for tier imo. cant understand at all how people say its bad at 5.3 you basically drive a tiger 2 with better mobility and the same weakspot, gun is sick, armor is sick for a medium, neutral steering lets you negate a lot of the turret traverse. probably the easiest tank around the BR to do well in and imo way way better than the tiger 1

@potatofuryy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love it. Allied CAS is an absolute pain though.

@arc_4543

2 жыл бұрын

I find the Tiger 2 easier to kill from the front with the 76 since the turret weakspot is larger.

@healspringy6300

2 жыл бұрын

@@arc_4543 Tiger 2 P?, then yes, but the H variant is not

@c0ldyloxproductions324

2 жыл бұрын

They claim it in hopes that it’ll get another down tier so they can feel invincible, they want the tank to live up to its reputation irl just like the tigers and tiger twos the lower the br the more terrifying and invincible it becomes and the more it lives up to its legendary reputation

@SCLHP666

2 жыл бұрын

@@c0ldyloxproductions324 true, at least gajin is I think trying to make tanks live up to its rep, like no matter if you put the jumbo at 6.3 or 4.3 its always gonna get 1 shot by the long 88.

The turret traverse on that thing made me crazy at times... Like WTF is that? It would be faster even the crew gets out and turns that thing by hand.

@Yung_pindakaas

2 жыл бұрын

Thats because the Panther D quite literally had a hand cranked turret rotation lol.

@kimjanek646

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yung_pindakaas You would think that but it's actually moved by a hydraulic motor :) Later Panthers get the electric turret traverse motor, powered by the engine, so as the engine gets a RPM limiter, the traverse gets slower on the G and F.

@Re-2005

2 жыл бұрын

It's not as bad as the M10 Wolverine although it's bad in CQC but you still have armor

@Apocalypse0505hun

2 жыл бұрын

@@Re-2005 Well, at those tiers its still true: No armor=best armor. Sure, you can be killed by heavy MGs and CAS easily, but still... APHE has a hard time destroying you, wich is the most common ammo in those tiers. Also, I didn't say panther is bad, just the turret traverse drove me insane...

Honestly I could play either this or the Tigor, turn off 70% of my brain and still get at least an avg of ~3-4 kills a game (in anything other than a full uptier where I have a chance of meeting something I might not lolpen so that'd probably hinder my low brain gameplay) In terms of balance compared to tanks of the same BR its gotta be considered under tiered. The Comet for example, which has seen reload + pen nerfs, is at a higher BR and is more or less inferior in almost every metric (hp/ton and turret traverse). Admittedly, that might be one of the more selected comparisons (for my example) out of the major trees, but compared to other nations the panther will usually have at least one of the tank triangle factors superior and the rest equal or superior to its competition. Also, before anyone calls me a freeaboo or whatever, I've played this game since 2013 and have definitely played my fair share of all nations.

@Cypress1312

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I’ve had Tiger H1 games where I got 7-8 kills by just sitting in a position with good camouflage but good visibility and lolpenning everything I see. Jumbos aren’t even really a problem if you know where to aim. If they angle, shoot their weak lower side armor. If they don’t, bow gunner MG port. It’s an incredibly simple tank to anyone who has played a well armored and armed tank before. Angle and keep at range and you will beat any tank in the game at your BR or .7 higher. It can’t even see the American HEAT slingers anymore in a full uptier. I have no idea why Gaijin decided to lower its BR when even at 5.7 anyone with an ounce of situational awareness could do very well in it, even in uptiers. No other nation gets such excellent all round vehicles at such low BR ranges. The panther is ridiculously effective(even the D, even if it is annoying to play) for their BR.

@EasyAL_YT

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cypress1312 1 vs 1 at mid to close range the jumbo easily wins against a tiger h1. It has fast reload, stabilizer and very reliable armour meaning you can rush and aim for the tigers fat barrel then mg it's tracks. Its a good tank (like the Panther D) at the BR and has some fun opponents (like the jumbo) but even at a 5.7 uptier, Russia gets some really hard to deal with tanks.(I'm a German main {11.0 max br} so I could be biased but I do play abit of the Americans (used the jumbo alot) and brits too).

@Cypress1312

2 жыл бұрын

@@EasyAL_YT I never said the Tiger and Panther tanks would beat Jumbos in all scenarios. Of course the Jumbo is the superior close range vehicle, given the superior mobility, vertical stabilizer and roof mounted .50 cal. But Jumbo players typically have to think through engagements even before they start, beginning with understanding if they can even penetrate their foe, and if not, disabling the gun. The Panther and Tiger series do not have this problem, especially if the players behind these vehicles aren’t absolute dipshits who attempt to fight in a city with a Panther D. And even then, the Panther’s long 7,5 cm cannon can go straight through the Jumbo’s UFP within 100-150 meters. I say this as someone who mainly plays American and British tanks, the German mid tier tanks are some of the most undertiered vehicles in the game. Nearly 200 mm of pen with excellent ballistics and accuracy on a tank that rewards staying back to increase the effectiveness of armor is a deadly combo. The Panther series being 5.3-5.7 is ridiculous if you consider that the black prince is 6.0.

@mahogany7712

2 жыл бұрын

I play german 5.3 to turn off my brain and relax and forget about most weak spots. "hohohoho non Jumbo sherman, *click* *DOPAMINE AMOGUS DROP*"

@EasyAL_YT

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cypress1312 You said jumbos aren't really a problem. 99% of the time your playing at close to mid range engagements. And jumbo has a clear advantage at those ranges so yes, they are a problem for Panthers (D variant). But it's a fun problem. If both players are good, the fight won't be ending in 1 shot. Unlike you, I think some of the 5.3 American tanks are over tiered. Like the 4.7 brits have no difficulty going through the tigers and panthers.

"The only vehicle I was scared of at 4.3 was the SU152 but I managed to deal with those easily" M4A1 76 (W): *"I'm about to end this mans whole career"*

In my opinion there really isn't much reason for the Panther to be my first spawn in a 5.3 lineup, since the Panzer IV/70 is more or less just a Panther without the turret weak spots

@Cheesycat0

2 жыл бұрын

baby jadgpanther

Your voice pack mod makes for strangely fitting emergent song lyrics to the background soundtrack of the kill montage.

The metal music fits montages more than I thought it would.

Would love to see you do a video on the Pz IV J/PzBfwIVJ. You talking about the 6 degree/sec aced traverse reminded me of the Pz IV J hahaha.

I like how youre using the GHPC sounds lol

I didn't play Panther D for a long time but for me the choice is very simple, long range map - Panther, city map - Tiger. Imo Tiger is a lot better in city maps because of better turret rotation speed, better side armour (you bounce a lot, also you are safe from spaa just around the corner) and huge HE filler (you always one shot enemies). On long range maps Panther is better simply because you can keep front towards enemy and has a little bit better penetration values. Still both vehicles feel quite OP to me.

@Atourq

2 жыл бұрын

Does the Tiger’s turret traverse still scale with the engine’s RPM? IIRC you use to be able to turn the turret faster if you kept revving the engine (which is realistic). Don’t know if they ever removed that feature tho.

@Rosenrot_raccoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Atourq It has fixed speed.

@troutwarrior6735

2 жыл бұрын

They really don't feel OP to me, although maybe it's because I take out the Panther A and Tiger E at 5.7. I find the cupola and grenade launchers on the h1 unbearable and the turret speed of the D disgusting. Anyway, I think the E and Panther A are perfectly balanced at 5.7 and are so satisfying to play my is-2 against. In think Germany gets a lot of hype but not a lot of people talk about the strength of the soviet lineup at that BR (or hell, even the French).

@Rosenrot_raccoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@troutwarrior6735 Yea, soviets are stronk, but having k/d more than 5 with panthers is imo above the op limit.

@mozuesolympian2988

2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone speaks the truth

2:02 Here we see an example of a phenomenon I've noticed in War Thunder I'm terming the "Gaijin Paradox." Almost every game is an up-tier. That would imply that there is some groups of players that get consistently down-tiered, though I've yet to find a person that happens to. How is it that the matchmaker is able to turn almost every game, no matter the tier, into an up-tier?

@mikhail-yug-9581

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you're right, I've also realised this, and I've investigated the case a little bit. Perhaps it isn't the main reason, but I've noticed that regardless of tier, most of the team is the same br. as me, with only a few exceptions. Here is an example: I play a lot with the Panther A, and most of my matches are 6.7, but there are only a few 6.7 vehicles on the team, almost never more than 3, so while it may seem like there is a layer of the playerbase which gets down-tiers all the time, - in this case the 6.7 - it isn't true, most of the sessions are "infected" by one or two players who is in a full downt-tier, while the rest of the team isn't. I don't know if this made any sense, but this is how I see it :D

When i had first gotten my panther D, because of its very slow turret traverse i just used it for sniping and rarely ever rotated my turret

Yes the prodeus music in the montage was exceptional

Fun fact, Panthers were using skirts just because Soviet anti tank rifles could penetrate them.

When I watch a spookston vid, I want to play WT. Until I remember how much of a pain in the ass it is to play

This was my bread and butter when I first got to 5.7s in 2016 or 2017. I still have the "Du Doch Nicht" decal on the winter camo.

Spookston: the phanter is OP Is2, jumbo76 and t44: hello phanter how are you?

A new player here, I was not looking forward to move up to panthers, I was consistantly bullying them with tiger 1 and nashorn (the only other nation I play as is soviets, but at a much lower br), but I was pleasantly surprised with how easy it was to pen anything 6.0 and below, my only issues with it are that other than max speed this tank is quite limited in mobility and the cupola sticks out so damn high - by far the most of my deaths were by a shot to cupola. But I gotta say that for some reason I keep running into jagdpanthers all the time and I can't do anything but back out because most of the time it's at range and driving up for a flank would be akin to backing out anyway because I'd be spending the entire game fighting their frontliners instead. I did skip the D entirely tough and went for A, dunno if that's is causing any issues other than a bigger repair cost

Is it just me or would anyone else like to see spooks talk about the Churchill tanks, either on a video like this or one talking about it historically like he’s done for the BMP and IS-2

Panther: exists M22: *”So you have chosen death”*

It doesn't matter if Panther is bad or good. It's one of the most good looking tanks, i would play it simply for that

Love the panther, in a ranged fight I survived 43 shots, 4 bombs and a couple rockets. Had to get a friend to tow me behind a building to finally repair only to then die to a 1000kg bomb

love your videos man! wich crew sound mode are you currently using?

The Panther D was a great tank, I preferred it over my Tiger I, but the Panthers in 5.7 I struggle to play. I got the Panther A hoping it would be better, but although it is now I have to deal with a lot more tanks carrying chemical rounds which make the armor completely ineffective. Now when I play 6.3 I always use my Tiger II, Jagdpanzer 4-5, M41, and then the Panther A if I can. God the Tiger II is so fun in a downtier, 3 Panthers and 2 Tiger Is went to the right side from our spawn and met a Jumbo 76, a Tiger died almost immediately and then a Panther right after, the second Tiger was damaged and taking cover so I came around the corner and waited for the smoke to clear. Right after the smoke cleared the Jumbo fired at me and that shit just bounced off so I fired right through it's front, the Tiger I thanked me and just that thank you made me happy.

I remember in a 6.3 battle the team was down to me and one other. I spawned in the panther D and bagged 6 kills. Still lost the match but was satisfying

You should make a video on your thoughts about the Tortoise. Very interesting vehicle in my opinion.

Gaijin needs to have their own CC Exodus event.

Can you take the mk7 Churchill out? I’d love to see what’s your thoughts on that tank, as in real life it is by far my favourite, but in game it feels like I can’t do much, For a tank known for its off road traverse ability, it definitely seems to struggle. And at br 4.7 tigers and panthers are nearly invincible, only if you can get them in a specific spot. But to do that I have to take both tracks and barrel out, Anyway great vid as per usual 👌

@mbravos

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like all three Churchills are over-tiered, but I agree that the VII is the one on the worst position.

This vid pretty much sumed up the reason of why I prefer the other Panthers even the Ausf. D got a 5.3 BR. The sllow turrent rotation really hurts its performance, making it works more like a TD with arty support instead of a med

@blackwidowrsa

2 жыл бұрын

that coupled with the insanely slow reverse speed makes city maps a horror

It all comes down to what map you get and what nation you are paired with.

What are your opinions on the firefly? Not many people talk about it even though its basically as effective in a full uptier as it is in a downtier. easily able to disable if not outright kill almost any tank at 5.7 with the 17 pdr. Only things holding it back are poor armour and subpar mobility.

I think the Sherman VC would be a great tank for this series, mainly because it can club in down tiers with its 17 pounder and still be viable in full uptiers

1 yr later and I'm getting panther, curious how this man's warthunder going though

Spook have you ever done one of these for the ARL-44? In my experience it sucks balls but you’d probably shred with it

I had the same experience, its a good tank, but not versatile at all, the D variant in particular. This is made much worse by the fact no german tank around that br is good in urban fights, so if you want to cap the points you have to put yourself at a disadvantage. It depends heavily on matchmaking, but versing Russia in very frequent uptiers is a nightmare

@morva4498

Жыл бұрын

They are quite good in urban maps. Tigers for example you have to use the buildings and angle your armor. German tanks are good shooting down a city road to ambush the enemy. Sure they aren't the most mobile, however city maps are more than just mobility as mobility is most useful to flank the enemy.

For anyone watching, how do i get the tracks on the side of the turret look? Is that. Cosmetic thing i can find somewhere?

Every time you say "anyway" I can hear your eyes roll lol idk why it just sounds like that

Pro tip : Use Panther D as a tank destroyer it works best at that role

i want those voicelines in my game they are sick

The metal is always banging!

I'd love to see a video about the Independence, that British vehicle, T-35's father.

i love how its just a screaming montage basically

"PRODEUS - Spent Fuel" noice choice

I’ve been wondering this for a while, but where can we find the GHPC crew voice mod for WT?

It’s a slow sniper with a great front plate. Ideal cas target. And a priority target for allied teams

Any advice you can give to us players on how to get more kills? A lot of games i die from something out of my control usually

Yo, Spooks, could You take a look at the Sherman 105?

Hey spookston how are you so good at RB I can barely manage to get a kill any tips?

3:00 Finally somebody who correctly pronounces "either".

Good use of music from prodeus

now look at the then 6.0 now 5.7 Panther A. That's basically a Panther D with a better engine and 22°/s of turret traverse. Not only is it good at range, but it's also good in close quarter cause you can react way faster. You generally out perform's your opponent's turret rotation speed as well (Shermans are basically on par though)

@a_gloriouspotato1967

2 жыл бұрын

And gaijin nerfed M4A3 HVSS engine so Panther A is superior

@xflashu8075

2 жыл бұрын

on AB is 6.0

When you don't have to aim for weakpoints yet everyone else has.

I'd like to see you do one on the M50 Ontos, my friends hate it but I absolutely love it. Definitely a higher skill ceiling because of the way the guns fire, lack of armor and only two crew members requires a different paly style.

@ArcJupiter

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, yes. The angry triangle.

@negevsareforpros9250

2 жыл бұрын

Getting a snipe with an M50 is the best.

I couldn’t even pen the front armour of the panther in my tiger? Mental

Yep.. that was you in the abandoned factory mission. Was my fault for not being aware of that damn corner at B as a is-1

i really struggle against this thing, i know i have to hit that are on the edge of the turret but its hard, and its also borderline imposible to kill from a long range unless your using something like the pt76 with the heat rounds

Your comment about it being more of a heavy makes sense. If i remember, the doctrine of the german army called these heavies, its only a medium in warthunder for balance reasons. It also makes sense why you do better at range. Some of the big cats' most effective fights were ambushes, where they'd pick off a few vehicles in a convoy and escape in the confusion. Unfortunately, that kinda gameplay isn't supported very well in warthunder.

"I'll play some footage to demonstrate" *DOOM SLAYER INTENSIFIES*

Thinner top armour can be a but annoying but apart from that it's a banga of a tank

Guys i need help why is it that when i aim down sights and shoot the round doesn’t go straight down the middle it goes off to the side no matter what tank i use

I've noticed that if you play a specific tank or a specific Nation or just play the game in general for too long you'll get more up tears than down tears

I can tell you the issue crew skills play a massive role in real battle.

Gotta love the GHPC voices sound mod, much better and more immersive

Yo please how do you get the GHPC voice lines? Is it a mod or done in post?

How do you get the GHPC crew sounds or is it just put after the fact

4:00 About that, what do you think about gaijin's recent QNA?