One of the first things that turned me off to Paul was how he seemed to constantly remind everyone how humble he was. Telling people how humle you are doesn't really seem like true humility to me....

@jersmith1486

11 ай бұрын

Moses called himself the meekness man alive. If you truly are you'd be prideful to not say it.

@salv1able

11 ай бұрын

True...he also says he was a terrible person towards Christian's until jesus saved him ..

@Deepskies268

Ай бұрын

Because they were still his targets. But now mainly through spiritual corruption rather than physical persecution.

@theurbanthirdhomestead

26 күн бұрын

Kinda like how jehovah/yhwh always reminds us, I AM THE LORD... 🤔

@theurbanthirdhomestead

26 күн бұрын

Makes you not want to believe it, eh?

James, I greatly appreciate that you are an agnostic who loves the historical Jesus. Your lectures have helped me tremendously to understand the scriptures. In my 60-years of adult life (including 21-months of combat in Viet-Nam), I agree with what satan said in the desert: Then satan led Jesus to a high vista and showed him a vision of all the kingdoms of the world saying, ''I can give you authority over all these kingdoms and all the glory that comes with it. For all of it has been given to me, and I can give any of it to anyone of my choosing. If you will kneel down and worship me, I will give it all to you.'' My own view is that all humans have the potential for good and evil. Collective evil, on a large scale, like the massacre of Jews by the Romans and Nazis is metaphorically, the rule of satan. So how do we know the difference between good and evil? ''The LORD God hath shown thee what is Good. And what does the LORD require of thee? Only to Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly with thy God.'' Not everyone will abide by this definition, but it is obvious that the Romans and Nazis were not Just, had no Mercy, worshiped the gods of wealth and power, and their collective power of evil was truly satanic.

@Alephkilo

Жыл бұрын

You mentioned that Romans and Nazi’s ( bulk of whom were Christians) is metaphorically the rule of Satan. How about America with it history of slavery ? How about European colonialists? Was that the rule of Satan or rule of God ?

@FreemanBBFQ

Жыл бұрын

God bless you for this wisdom, we're capable of both, but we're in YHWH image so the Good is our first nature, but the Satan deceives with temptations and he'll pay for that for sure.

@Marge719

11 ай бұрын

Not only nazis and Romans, many mighty ppl nowadays are not much different. If they were, the earth would be a way better place. And if it werent for God, no flesh would be alive today. It is that bad.

@eprd313

11 ай бұрын

​@@FreemanBBFQwhy did yahweh send a flood to kill 99.999% of living beings on earth with the excuse that humanity was wicked but has kept Satan roaming freely all of this time?

@cliveadams7629

11 ай бұрын

Right. And when your god tells you to murder the tribe down the road to you, including all their animals keeping only the virgin women for yourself to have your way with you'll pick up your gin and go do it? Really, you have no idea what morality is if you worship the death blood cult of the zombie god Jesus.

The more I hear about Paul, the more I understand why I'm a Jesus purist.

@pedrolucass.8969

11 ай бұрын

What do you mean by that? (I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be polemical)

@TheHellMaggot

11 ай бұрын

@@pedrolucass.8969 Many people argue that Paul's mystical experiences were not divinely inspired, therefore he performed teachings that didn't perfectly aligned with what Jesus' preached under the gospels of the evangelists. I think what the other means by being Jesus purist would be someone that considers the gospels related to Paul in the bible as non-canonical.

@pedrolucass.8969

11 ай бұрын

@@TheHellMaggot thanks for the answer, I understand now

@willempasterkamp862

22 күн бұрын

I'm with granddaddy Pauly, his grandson in comparision is more of a joke.

Compared to the afterlife, as some say this life actually hurts.

This is SO AWESOME!!! The very BEST of Tabor !!! Something I’ve been waiting for to be pronounced!!!

Thank you for the discussion on Hellenistic cosmology. I think a lot of issues people have with the texts would be resolved if we just learned to view them through the lense of the time they were written. Jonathan Z Smith was a genius, indeed.

Dr. Tabor, I'd love to see a bibliography, and/or a suggested reading section on your website. I already own several of your books, but I'd love to have a single place to see your recommendations for additional reading!

I'm Irish I mention this because this discussion reminds me of the Dualism of Light/Dark that constantly appears within the scriptures. If anyone knows Ireland, you know that while we get an awful lot of Grey Weather, the Bright sunlight and VERY Dark shadows of more southerly latitudes are absent. Like it or not, climate, weather, and prevailing thinking played an enormous role in the "construction" of the Scriptures and their understanding within both the Hebrew and Early Church writers and interpreters. (For instance, to the Jewish/Helenistic World viewpoint, the idea of "Temple Sacrifice" made a great deal of sense. Modern people would be more likely to see this as "Animal Abuse"). Unfortunately, much of our Modern Interpretations are TOO based on more ancient thinking, thinking that, from a Modern Perspective, makes lese and less Moral Sense.

@johnmichaelson9173

Жыл бұрын

I'm from over the water there, starts with L, ends with Pool. I know what you're saying I'm thinking about Newgrange which is older than the Pyramids. It's aligned with the sunrise at the Winter Solstice. Maybe they thought, why bother with the Summer Solstice it'll be raining & overcast. I've often wondered if our climates were more like the Middle East & we had less rain what documents & treasures may have been saved.

@rmoffat44

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. The Christian idea of hell, coming from the Near East, is of heat, where souls suffer in the flames. The Old Norse equivalent of hell was a place of ice.

@michaelodonnell824

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 One of the reasons why Ireland has so few of its original treasures was because many of them were Stolen, first by Vikings (check out the museums in Denmark and Norway); then later by others who believe that all treasures belong to them. I won't name them except to say that they live across the water from Ireland and their first letter is E...

@johnmichaelson9173

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelodonnell824 I was thinking more of the written word which survived for 1000+ years in the Middle East.

@michaelodonnell824

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 Ireland still has Ogham stones (similar to Nordic Rune stones and the Rosetta Stone - created by the Egyptians but now in London and Paris). Stone is a far more durable material to use if you want your message to last for a while. Paper originated both in China and Egypt. Most of the early Irish Christian writings was done on Vellum (literally treated animal hides) and the Book of Kells is just under 1500 years old. Likewise the Book of Durrow. Both of these were discovered in Bogs.. Meanwhile, the Thieves mentioned in my earlier comments earlier seized of destroyed many other texts. Climate has little to do with the durability of objects, especially when those objects are seen as "valuable".

From the perspective of the emanated created realms, Creation takes place "Yesh me-Ayin" ("Something from Nothing"). From the Divine perspective, Creation takes place "Ayin me-Yesh" ("Nothing from Something"), as only God has absolute existence; Creation is dependent on the continuous flow of Divine lifeforce, without which it would revert to nothingness. Since the 13th century, Ayin has been one of the most important words used in kabbalistic texts. The symbolism associated with the word Ayin was greatly emphasized by Moses de León (c. 1250 - 1305), a Spanish rabbi and kabbalist, through the Zohar, the foundational work of Kabbalah. In Hasidism Ayin relates to the internal psychological experience of Deveikut ("cleaving" to God amidst physicality), and the contemplative perception of paradoxical Yesh-Ayin Divine Panentheism, "There is no place empty of Him".

@lucifchristo

2 жыл бұрын

I am fond of the phrase that which permeates yet encompasses all

Thank you Dr. tabor. I am listening to your presentations and purchased your new book translating genesis so we can get a sense of the Hebrew, the Jesus Dynasty, and Paul and Jesus. You make learning more about my faith so fascinating. I want to understand and be a serious follower of God living as I should. Maybe God has brought you into my path as someone to learn from.

Thanks for sharing these valuable insights!

So ironic. I've been a Christian most of my life and have never heard teaching this good. Seminaries teach the business of religion. I just want the truth. For years..I didn't believe Paul. It irked me that believers treated him more like God..than God. His word (or the ones we're permitted to read) are final..even though there was ample reason to see him as a fake. There's been campaigns to take James out of the Bible. Because the canon is "perfect" because they say so..unless they want to change it. Then it's not. Listening to you.. I'm all but convinced that at least he believes he met Jesus. He's not lying about at least that much. And now that I'm older..with a collection of experiences of my own.. I'm closer to seeing things his way. Sort of. Heaven is real. I've seen it. I have friends who have as well and.. I'm moving closer to the idea that where we are..where we live now..is coming to an end but..not in an explosive apocalyptic manner. More akin to waking up from a dream. And..I don't think..Catholic rules are relevant. In fact..run. Stay away.

@KendraAndTheLaw

Жыл бұрын

Prof Tabor is an academic who is teaching to show what the writers of these religious texts believed. He does *not* believe any of it himself. (And for good reason.)

@ConstantCompanion

Жыл бұрын

@@KendraAndTheLaw "believe" is subjective. I was simply reflecting on my thoughts regarding the matter. I don't think he was fishing to convert anyone to his point of view.

@KendraAndTheLaw

Жыл бұрын

@@ConstantCompanion right on

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

​@@KendraAndTheLaw Share your good reasons with me. Please.

@bubbleandsquid

11 ай бұрын

I would question whether the Heaven of the Christian faith is real. Earth was made for us and so will new earth, so we have no claim on heaven.

Tabor is gifted at teaching.

Does the urantia book have relevance in answering this question ❓ Excellent talk. Humility is about forgetting yourself for the greatest good in a non co dependent way Humans will be better for the long run when they see and firmly believe that giving is the best gift one can give themselves Look what confusion and distrust and ignorance satin left, who and why would jc come out of the closet for? Might I point out that this discussion is about ancient history? I have to believe that inside of satin is a lost frightened child desperately in need of help from the horrific memories that made him become a dark triad. It's common psychology on a supernatural scale Again, excellent talk. Better than billy.. And finally (?) What does it matter and why ? Broken porcelain forever is broken, the tonal qualities can not be repaired no matter how well one makes the blemishes seemingly disappear. Yet this becomes perfection

@jamestaborvideos I'm not sure if this page is devoted to the author or maintained by the author. If you do maintain this yourself Mr Tabor then what I always wonder when I see authors who focus on the Hellenic influence on the development of Judaism and later Christianity is why those authors omit reference to the influence of the Zorastrianism of the Achaemenid and Parthian empires? What I always wonder is if there are one or more specific reasons related to scholarship that lead the the divide between those who trace the influences to Hellenism and those that trace them to Zorastrianism? The Seluecids were there in between those periods, but the theological developments often discussed are generally traced to times of Persian cultural dominance in Judea

@user-fq4yz5ek3r

11 ай бұрын

I'm big on that angle. Christianity is a really hybrid faith, not just of Hebrew and Greek,but also Persian. It may well have a trace of Indian as the Achaemenids connected Greece and India, which I find a fascinating area of study.

To understand the nature of the scriptures statement, Satan being the God of this world. "World", being the emphasis. You also have to take the other scriptures where the Bible says God is the king over all the Earth. These two scriptures are either now in conflict. Or there is a difference somewhere else that is not being recognized. So using legal jurisdiction as a means to rightly divide or understand this difference. The world can be a legal jurisdiction based upon a governing and elected source. Where the Earth being this contrast is an actual physical location that is owned by the Creator. Now you have two different opposing but yet in the same space jurisdictions looking to control or apply citizenship to its inhabitants. This is why the Bible says that we are strangers in the world but yet we have dominion over the Earth.

@theagency13

11 ай бұрын

This is exactly the same thing that is occurings when an elect governing body. Like the Democrats or Republicans. Superimpose their territorial lines of jurisdiction and districts for voters over an actual real landmass like that of the states. These lines do not concern mother nature or God's creation. The landmass continues to exist once those inhabitants die off. But the citizenship of the inhabitants belongs to an overlaying occupying governing body that obviously in this case applies to Satan and his Dominion.

The many different conceptions of God, and competing claims as to God's characteristics, aims, and actions, have led to the development of ideas of omnitheism, pandeism, or a perennial philosophy, which postulates that there is one underlying theological truth, of which all religions express a partial understanding, and as to which: "The devout in the various great world religions are in fact worshipping that one God, but through different, overlapping concepts or mental images of Him."

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

Well.........yeah. This wasn't at all a complicated concept. No need for fancy words like perennial philosophy or pandeism. Of course all religions, at least the ones that are monotheistic are in effect worshiping the same God, even when thier theology differs radically. Humans are nowhere near as different as we make them out to be. Neither at-scale nor individually

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

This desire to understand the spiritual is innate. It exists across culture and time.

_"I'd say these days, the devil rules the roost."_ Cold Mountain (2003), the ferry girl

@terrykelley9404

11 ай бұрын

Not in my world

I believe the proper translation is God of this "age".

Ayin (Hebrew: אַיִן, meaning "nothingness", related to Ein-"not") is an important concept in Kabbalah and Hasidic philosophy. It is contrasted with the term Yesh (Hebrew: יֵשׁ⁠ ("something/exist/being/is")). According to kabbalistic teachings, before the universe was created there was only Ayin, and the first manifest Sephirah (Divine emanation), Chochmah (Wisdom), "comes into being out of Ayin." In this context, the sephirah Keter, the Divine will, is the intermediary between the Divine Infinity (Ein Sof) and Chochmah. Because Keter is a supreme revelation of the Ohr Ein Sof (Infinite Light), transcending the manifest sephirot, it is sometimes excluded from them. Ayin is closely associated with the Ein Sof (Hebrew אין סוף, meaning "no end", "without an end" ), which is understood as the Deity prior to His self-manifestation in the creation of the spiritual and physical realms, single Infinite unity beyond any description or limitation.

I ordered the unseen realm. It is a good read. I believe everything written in the BIBLE. Great presentation Mr TABOR. THANKS

@KendraAndTheLaw

Жыл бұрын

Prof Tabor is an academic who is teaching to show what the writers of these religious texts believed. He does *not* believe any of it himself. And for good reason...

I dont see anywhere in the bible where Gabriel or Michael are described as having wings? Where are u getting this from? I know seraphim and cherubim have wings.

@laffingdukk

4 ай бұрын

what difference does it make whether Michael and Gabriel have wings or not? There's no way to know for sure unless you see them

@MrIrrepressible

4 ай бұрын

@@laffingdukk becauss a few people in the bible saw Gabriel and gave a description of his appearance and never mentioned wings. The only spiritual beings that have wings that we know from scriptures are cherubims and seraphims.

Acta Piliate is a letter to caeser. I just came across it. I'm sure you have seen this, but what are your thoughts on it? Please? Pilate told caeser they had guards around the tomb. This is the first ive heard of it. And that he and Joseph of aramathea cried together.

Now that im no longer a fundamentalist i can learn more about all thos ideas and how they evolve to what we now understand as evil and satan. Thanks Tavor

Pretty interesting at end about the body and the coming kingdom

James please make a video on your particular religious philosophy or ideology so we know your particular sect and can rule out any potential foolishness related to it. Thanks im loving these vids your making

How do you know that then (the old Hebrew era) was "up" and now (the new testament era) is "down" ? How do know your vantage point isn't the opposite of what you think it is and everything is the reverse of your perspective !?

Is there any reason Paul would not have known anything about Sumerian? EN was a prefix meaning Lord. KI was a word meaning Earth. So, literally, the Lord of the Earth ... was ENKI.

I Really Loved Michael S. Heiser, He Was Respected By Me!

Great lectures, Thanks 👍

These lectures are incredible! Thank you, sir.

I appreciate the work you do thank you

Some very notable observations for sure, thnxs 🙏

The shift from Genesis to Paul is partially understandable from the standpoint that various gods of the Sumerian and Babylonian pantheons ... or even the Aztec and Maya and Egyptian ... are being grossly simplified and papered over into an ersatz God. For example, who gave the warning to Noah? Yahweh. And where did the story come from? Utu warning Gilgamesh or Ziusudra or Utnapishtim. Who is the God who confounded language? Yahweh. Or Marduk. Or Enki. Who is the crazy vindictive war god? Probably EL. Who is the one who tried to save us? Enki. And to whom did he hand over leadership? To his only Son. Now ... taking that suggestion seriously would have some implications. God bless you for all you do.

Unfortunately my parents coitused me into existence unto this world, without my consent.

@Gen18.11

9 ай бұрын

Nope, if you are here in the flesh, you chose to leave your first estate. Your orginal sin. Be ever thankful and all the Glory for Our Father's plan for us to return, through Jesus.

@zeenohaquo7970

9 ай бұрын

@@Gen18.11 daily, daily I curse tetragrammaton who created me

@Gen18.11

9 ай бұрын

@zeenohaquo7970 aww.....brother i pray you forgive and be blessed in the gift that you were given, an opportunity to return to your first estate with clean garments. No record held against you. Only understanding our true origin will we have peace and joy.

@theurbanthirdhomestead

26 күн бұрын

​@@zeenohaquo7970 Me too. I hate it here. I hate that my parents trusted the medical establishment and jammed me full of v@ccinations until I was trapped inside myself, unable to express my feelings, obsessive, sensitive to a fault. I hate that nobody showed me any skills, so I rely on corrupt and toxic corporations for food, clothes, furniture, etc... I hate that yhwh allows children to be hurt. I hate that he has taken almost all of the firstborn males in my family (Numbers 3:13). I hate that he set up a pattern of patriarchal criticism and abuse that has followed me into middle age and still happens. I hate that he has put aborted fetal cells in our food and medicine (Leviticus 26:29). I hate him and think he is a filthy pig. No wonder jews don't eat pork.

I love when I read the scripture Luke 17:21 “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” kjv Then I feel like Reading this scripture And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. 16 And as the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the Lord; and she despised him in her heart. Psalms 68 Psalms 68:4 “Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.” King James Version

The analogy of Satan falling down to earth is a reference to Venus known as the morning star and also the evening star. Venus is the brightest star before dawn and every 580 days or so it traverses between the sun and earth and appear bright and big in evening ( thus evening star) and then disappears and reappears as morning star. It is this astronomical phenomenon that gave rise to the notion of falling star and of challenging the sun (YHWH) and then falling to earth and later into sheol below earth and then reappearing ( resurrecting) as the morning star, 3 to 8 days later. This notion has its parallel in Sumerian, Vedic and Mayan belief where Venus or Ishtar is the lord of the dead or demons. Isaiah 14 illustrates the evening star as follows: How you have fallen from the heavens, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who conquered nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. The admonishment is to the king of Babylon using the planet Venus as a reference. Later on this came to be referenced to Satan or Lucifer.

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely fascinating! I've never heard these comparisons before. Any references I can read that collate this theory?

@dirtypickle77

11 ай бұрын

Correct, wish Christianity taught that instead of blaming every bad thing on the devil.

@andrelewis5760

11 ай бұрын

Interesting Haleil Ben Shachar is also a picture of the First Adam when breaking apart Adam's name in hebrew youll get the spelling Aliel or one who is prideful but this name also means praise. Shahar is also a twin goddess from ancient Canaan who sister is Selem Dusk, which is interesting because Melchitsedeq (righteous king) is the of selem. Nonetheless less it falls into line astronomically with what your saying about venus, know Tsedek is also Jupiter according to sum, and the planetary alignment during the time of Yehushas Birth and the breaking of bread with Avraham. In Yeshiyahu this king of confusion is taking ground and saying he going up too take the throne and what not. 😂 he's being very sarcastic actually.

@bubbleandsquid

11 ай бұрын

Yes, so much astrology/esoteric meanings in the Bible.

@mikebrown9850

11 ай бұрын

That’s all fine well and good until you look at the companion passage in Ezekiel 28 where God specifies that this is Satan the devil.

Gratitude infini, merci de me réveiller...

Have Ye read or heard read what is written in what certain call The 3rd Book of Adam and Eve ?

the war in all places, Heaven?!! absolutely, we understand that to be Truth.. if war exists in Heaven, how can we expect anything different here upon this tragic, fallen reality of “earth”..??? i just thought of that.. wars are SO yesterday.. so primordial, cave mannish but all jacked up now with modern technology and systems of complex, powerful destruction but still caveman level of human thought and egos overrun..

I really wish you got a better microphone.

41:12 That's a great test of one's own beliefs.

What if God and Satan are just the 2 sides of the human condition. Ie Good acts/thoughts and Evil acts/thoughts

Excellent video. Isn't Satan a Hebrew word meaning "adversary" or "enemy"? And is not Yahweh called Satan (enemy) in a number of passages in the Hebrew scriptures? There is also the case of the famous census carried out by David where one account (2 Sam) has Yahweh commanding him to do it, & another account where it is Satan (1 Chron). It seems the two are interchangeable. Its also good to do a word search for terms such as "beast", "devourer", "fiery darts", "bear", "lion" etc & see how the New testament applies the terms to satan which were once the sole domain of the 'Lord God'. It's probably similar to the Vedic teachings where God is seen as existing on the lower levels as well as in the heavens...there is an Indra in heaven & an Indra on earth. Indra is called the "great Asura" in the Rig Veda but the term is now associated with demons. The image of satan being a red horned creature likewise could possibly be traced to the Vedas since Agni is called the 'red bull' which at birth is white (lucifer?) but "becomes red when waxen"...or expands from the 'central point of life's beginning' as the RV says.

@rigavitch

2 жыл бұрын

No. Find Michael Heiser...

@materialclassified

2 жыл бұрын

@@rigavitch If this isn't Satan then this God is reprehensible.. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoqCmtqRiae2ns4.html&ab_channel=PhilipWells

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

Not that I'm aware of, No. Yahweh is definitely not described as Satan anywhere in the Hebrew Bible.

@user-zr7ly4qz3j

11 ай бұрын

​@@bobbycecere1037hahaha maybe you should try reading it then. It couldn't be any clearer that Yahweh is Satan.

@dameonnelson3543

6 ай бұрын

​@@bobbycecere1037 On the cross some of the last words said then yeshua called out to El elyon as God and yahweh as satan

Regarding the new heaven & earth of Revelation it could compared to the Hindu Manvantaras...there are heavenly realms (lokas) to which souls ascend to & re-descend (incarnate) during a normal cosmic age but at the end there occurs the dissolution of the elements (Bible mentions this also) where everything resolves back into Brahma/Brahman...."like a scroll"...after which a new golden age occurs in the new manifestation of the Monad.

@dustinellerbe4125

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds plausible. Traditions from India/Iran could've influenced Judean thought. Especially after the Persian and Greek conquests.

@rigavitch

2 жыл бұрын

Just read The Bible

@narayansivajiramos5763

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Prajapati Brahma is Ab-Rah-Am while Sara-Swati is Sarah/Sarai. However, the majority of people (especially in the "Western World") aren't ready for said analogies.

@johnstewart7025

2 жыл бұрын

Protestants say you are either saved or you aren't. It isnt up to you. Reminds me of Hindus who say you ARE Brahman. YOU JUST don't know it.

@beecee3161

Жыл бұрын

@@rigavitch Yea. We’ve never done that. 🤣🤦‍♂️

What are your thoughts about the greedy elites/pharisees/saducees being Satan as well? Paul seems to indicate that they are the ones hindering him and his crew.

@Marge719

11 ай бұрын

There is evil spirits behind them. They can manipulate, or more precisely, enhance body, mind and spirit of a person.

Wasn't the Hermetic and neo pleonastic view of evil a choice to indulge the sensate? I recall a Medjugorje message attributed to Mary the mother of Jesus which said that hell actually begins here in our life and world. If this is the case heaven and hell are quite near and the ''fall'' we were taught is not such a deep tumble.

Thanks much for this information.

Thank you sir for you're video

If there is a God (which I believe there is) then He is either absent or a sick jester. Life is pain and suffering and no amount of joy can make it worth while. I’ve gone from agnostic to almost Christian to Nihilist. There is no way back for me.

‭1 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV‬ [1] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [2] speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; [3] forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. [4] For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Said it before I'll say it again. He's the Lord of this world because this isn't life this is death and this is hell genius

I Read Somewhere That Yahweh Will Come Back When Satan Is Given The Keys To Earth, I Will Have To Find This, What Do You Think Or Know About This Mr. Tabor?

I kind of feel as though the ideas that came in with the Hellenistic period are somewhat childish and less mature oddly enough, than the earlier view. Unable to accept the world as it is. I'm sure this is probably entirely informed by my own personal views.

So, if we move to Mars does he leave us alone?

About 12:40 -- Just an FYI, Luke 13:16 is dealing with a woman bound with a spirit of infirmity who was bent over for 18 years... not the woman with the issue of blood.

This world is a mere imitation of real world of what is not available to those here. Might as well be a holography or a simulation construct. Not say it’s not real for suffering is very real.

The world of Genesis 1 ceased to be accessible to man. So I don't know why you would quote Empedocles and compare what he says to Genesis 1 BEFORE the fall of man saying they are contradicting statements

Say A-ten.. lol.. BigDaddy got lazer focus in his aperture.. If u wave to him he always waves back.. ☀️

If Satan is not the God of this world, why is there so much evil?

@michaelpond813

Жыл бұрын

Just ask trump and his ego.

@KendraAndTheLaw

Жыл бұрын

Because humans are quite capable of doing evil things

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

​@@michaelpond813 Dumb. This wasn't a political question nonce. Does your brain actually believe this one politician who worked for four years in Washington is the originator of evil, or even substantially different from any other politician we've seen?

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

While I believe Satan the slanderer is a real being and actually with us currently, there are many schools of thought which explain the existence of evil in the heart of man. One of the better ones posits how WE invented Satanic imagery to try and explain to ourselves the obvious existence of measurable evil that can be found within us. That theory makes just as much sense as believing a son of the true God forsook his proper Dwelling Place and was cast out of the Heavens as a punishment.

@michaelw6481

Жыл бұрын

I’m starting to like the theory that evil only exists as a word to describe the absence of good.

From a purely theological perspective, we don't know exactly when the slanderer was ousted from heaven. We do know however, that he was. I'm of the mind that his ejection along with a third of the Stars (his demon cohorts that are complicit in his rebellion) happened fairly recently. The devil clearly had enough influence over mankind and his Kingdom's during Paul's time to be considered the god of this age. This is evident in Christ's temptation and Paul's words here, But the only marker we have to determine when this angel of light was relegated to this world he has usurped is World conditions. Generally because the prophecy I mentioned happened in Revelation, it's believed his ejection happened near the prophesied end times.

@bobbycecere1037

Жыл бұрын

So I guess it depends on what concept you consider more important. The fact that he had already expressed enough influence over mankind's direction in the first century to be considered the god of this world (little g) Or...... the biblical account of his removal from his station in the Heavens which confined him here exclusively.

Read the banned by Rome books .. especially James ...

Thank You

When God invented Entropy.

Thank you…

The battle has commenced with arrival of Arihman if you read the works of Rudolf Steiner

I saw 153 comments. My birth on June 3rd 1961 was a Sabbath and the 153rd day on the Essene calendar every year. I did go into the pit in 2014 and read Enoch when Jesus suffered not to leave my soul in hell and I did draw out Rush into Crimea and Syria at that time. Russian Admiral miraculously healed of cancer in The mouth and jaw from tobacco. Tabor was Thomas Jefferson if you can receive it.

- when God didn't wanna take responsibility for HIS OWN mess...

I’d buy Satan as a lawyer…. Seems like most the lawyers I know have a pretty close relationship with him lol

The old bible painted in the natural world a giant painting of the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ the spiritual kingdom. We in the kingdom of Jesus Christ are the temple. The temple pictured us.

What is the value of knowing about the magical celestial war in heaven for humans?

@dustinellerbe4125

2 жыл бұрын

It helps if you are trying to understand what the authors were talking about.

@RilliEki

2 жыл бұрын

@@dustinellerbe4125 ok, but why god want us to know about magical war in heaven that has no weight on us mortals. Or is it symbolic or allegory of something that happens on earth

@dustinellerbe4125

2 жыл бұрын

@@RilliEki to the writers and people living at that time, they thought all of that stuff was real. They didn't understand the world around them in the ways that we do today. They thought everything was animated with spirits. The wind, the water, the mountains, illnesses, etc. Today we don't think like that. Honestly, they were doing their best to describe why things were the way they were throughout history and at the present time. Its beautiful when you take the humanity of the people and try to understand them.

@youtubezcy

2 жыл бұрын

Proto literature from a time when science was magic and rulers lineage had to be divine.

@RilliEki

2 жыл бұрын

@@youtubezcy yeah I get that, but these stories doesn't related to humans at all. Usually these type legends tell a story of interaction between the gods and men.

in the garden.and from that day until now.

I have seen satin’s tracks on a beach.

Read Poobalan - Who is the "God of this age" in 2 Corinthians 4:4?

The earth truly is a dreadful place, this is obviously a place of darkness, cmon now.

IN THESE LAST DAYS, NO MAN WILL HAVE TO TELL YOU TO KNOW THE LORD, For the LORD WILL POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT UPON ALL FLESH AND WILL BE YOUR TEACHER.

Is Satan the God of this world? I never thought of it. I always suppose it was possibly one of my Ex-Wives. Amazing teachings thank you so much!.

The thm Tehom/ Tihamah is the western coastline of Arabia in Gen. 1:2 not the ‘deep.’ Junaynah in Dn ( Eden) at 20/20 by 42/55 in Asir region western Arabia with the 4 rivers and gold etc. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi, 1985. The greatest shift came when the ‘human ‘ brain became powerful enough for abstraction. The first abstraction was ‘ self.’ Downhill from there. With demise of self- existential angst- a ‘solution ‘ was required: a “super- self “, god. All the nefarious abstractions that follow, metaphysics, philosophy, government, science, and especially “ physics “ brings us to the present ‘civilization.’ Satan - adversary- simply a consequence of the first abstraction: non-self against self.

I believe that Adam turned the authority to Satan when he sinned by eating from the tree. 'Adam in the beginning was given authority over all that he saw'.

@bubbleandsquid

11 ай бұрын

This is what many teach, I think we hand it over to him on the daily. We are all here to occupy in God's name when we don't we hand over the rule to Satan. I don't agree with placing the blame on one person, one sex or one race. We all must take responsibility, looking around I guess Satan does rule.

History of ideas... Geniuses1. God. Geniuses2.LordGod. Two different God's. G.1 [They] call themselves " The originals. The serpent race. G.1:26 [Our] image __________________ G.2:7 The Lord God- ... living soul. I could show how scripture proves this to be true. [Their] symbolism inside and outside of the Vatican show this to be true as well. May the Lord God continue to bless you and yours. 💛

Enki was the serpent in the garden of Edin for giving man knowledge. Enlil which opposed Enki amd his human creation turned him into Satan. But Enki in fact is the prince of this world.

When Christians abandoned to the secular element the communism and socialism movements they had created instead of uniting to press the moral charge against the extortions of capital, the faith revealed itself to be but a political enforcer as the preachers who inveighed against Mammon were purged from the pulpits following the Soviet Revolution.

I am frankly shocked that some bible translators and scholars have the nerve to effectively alter the Greek text and replace ‘the god of this age’ with ‘satan’ in 2 Cor 4.4. If ‘the god of this age’ in 2 Cor 4.4 is not an idolization of old covenant rules and regulations (Digression: I still think this is the most plausible interpretation in context, and in light of 1 Cor 8:4-6 where Paul insists that there is only one God, and that all other ‘gods’ are idols. The close parallel in Philippians 3.18-19 is also instructive, because Paul here says that his words ‘the God of them is their belly and their glory is in their shame’ aligns with his often repeated warning against those minding earthly things’, all of which is rhetorically connected to what Paul used to ‘walk in’ - having his glory in his circumcision and regulations of the old Jewish covenant. Romans 11.4-5 paints a similar metaphorical picture of the majority of Jews having ‘bent their knees’ to the ‘Baal of the age’ - I argued for the ‘idol-worship interpretation’ in my other comment a year ago. The blinding influence of idolatry on the mind/heart is also attested in Ezekiel 14.4-8 and in Isaiah 44.8-11) then I think the second most likely candidate is the one God whom Paul and Jesus knew as ‘father’. Satan is in my considered opinion the least likely candidate for ‘the god of this aeon’. Why do I think this? Because I pay close attention to the hermeneutic context that is laid out by Paul from the beginning of 2 Cor 3, and significantly in 2 Cor 3.13-16: “not like Moses, who put a veil (κάλυμμα) over his face (the Greek word for 'face' recurs along with 'unveiled' in 2 Cor 4:6 - the face of Christ) so that the Israelites might not see the end of the fading splendor. But their minds (νοήματα) were hardened (ἐπωρώθη); for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil (κάλυμμα) remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil (κάλυμμα) lies over their hearts (καρδίαν), and whenever they may turn (ἐπιστρέψῃ) unto the Lord, the vail (κάλυμμα) is taken away.” 2 Cor 4.3-4 YLT: “and if also our good news is vailed, (κεκαλυμμένον) in those perishing it is vailed (κεκαλυμμένον), in whom the god of this age did blind (ἐτύφλωσεν) the minds (νοήματα) of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;” Compare also John 12.36b-43, where Jesus, like Paul, talks about light shining and Jewish hearts/minds being hardened and eyes being blinded: When Jesus had said this, he departed and hid himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they DID NOT BELIEVE in him; it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be FULFILLED: “Lord, who has BELIEVED our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” [Paul quotes from this verse - Isaiah 53.1 - in Romans 10, where he is dealing specifically with the unbelief of the majority of Jews who are still within the temporary Sinai covenant] Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said, “He has blinded (Τετύφλωκεν - same Greek word as in 2 Cor 4.4) their eyes and hardened (ἐπώρωσεν) their heart (καρδίαν) LEST they should see with their eyes and perceive/mind (νοήσωσιν - the same Greek root as ‘mind’ in 2 Cor 4.4) with their heart, and turn for Me (στραφῶσιν: compare with ‘turn to the Lord’ in 2 Cor 3:16 - the Greek word for turning "στρέφω" is the same) to heal them.” [Note that Jesus, who here quotes from Isaiah 6, is portrayed as quoting from this very same verse in Mark 4.12, concerning the dual purpose of his parables. In gMark, the blinding of the unbelieving minds it is most certainly not the work of the devil: In Isaiah 6, the blinding of the minds of Jews would last until the goal was reached - culminating with the sign of Immanuel. Paul, in context of the ‘blinding of the minds of the unbelieving’ talks about the glory of Christ and of the Gospel. From 2 Cor 3 we see that the unbelievers are Jews - as they also are in Romans 9-11] Isaiah said this because he saw his glory and spoke of him. Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. [end of quote from John] Another Johannine passage makes exactly the same point about the blinding of the unbelieving Jews who see what Jesus is doing among them, and yet they reject him and his message - see John 9.13-41. The passage ends like this: Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind.” Some of the Pharisees near him heard this, and they said to him, “Are we also blind?” Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains. We can add to this, that in 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul expresses that it is the one God who is the author of a delusion and makes those who refused the Gospel ‘believe the lie’ so that they will be destroyed. 2 Thess is held to be authentic by an increasing number of critical scholars - quite possibly the majority view at present.i

@laffingdukk

4 ай бұрын

you said "temporary sinai covenant ". If it was temporary, why did God say it was for all time, or forever?

@christianmichael8609

4 ай бұрын

@@laffingdukk There were terms to the Sinai covenant. Paul clearly understood it as temporary. In part because Israel broke the Sinai covenant, which was anticipated by God from the beginning. This is why Paul said in Galatians that the Sinai covenant was added because of transgressions. For evidence of this, see the end of Deuteronomy, where the transgressions and breaking of the covenant terms by Israel are anticipated ny God and related to the people and priesthood by Moses. The function of the Law, Torah, is matter-of-factly to testify against Israel when they would transgress. This is the message of Deuteronomy 31:14-32:43 - the ending section of the last book of Torah. See Brenton’s translation of the Septuagint for Deut. 32.43, which is interpreted by Paul and also by the author of Hebrews as a prophetic word about Jesus’ second coming, which will be in glory). Then see Jeremiah 31.31-34 - here in Brenton’s Septuagint translation: “31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: 32 not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day when I took hold of their hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; FOR THEY ABODE NOT IN MY COVENANT, and I disregarded them, saith the Lord. 33 For THIS IS MY COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE (future tense) with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I will surely PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS (see 2 Corinthians 3!); and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. 34 And they shall not at all teach every one his fellow citizen, and every one his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them: for I will be merciful to their iniquities, and their sins I will remember no more.” That is the prediction of the new covenant in and through Christ’s faithfulness even unto death on a cross - according to Paul the apostle, and an imitator of the scripturally informed mindset of godliness, espoused by Jesus.

I find it interesting that Octavian had two altars constructed and placed on the east and west of what would be the Roman Empire. On the east there is Pergamum, the seat of Satan. On the west there is Dagon at Lyons. The reference to Satan and Diablos raises a question in my mind. The real origin of the word satan is in the nodding of the HEAD up and down, while dagon (dia hablo?) Is in wagging back and forth of the TAIL. In some way, are these are the head and tail of Octavian's desire? satan's kingdom is the beast. Is Apollyon somehow associated with a horse? Because i can see Dagon as the wagging fish, i wonder if satan would be something like the horse of "horse and rider." (Maybe comparable to Susa ?) Heaven is structured like the tabernacle. Heaven, heavens, heaven of heavens, most high heaven. We meet the presentations of God on our journey through the similarly structured courts. Son, father holy spirit and the Almight God as One. All things are of this pattern--the animal kingdoms, the mountains, the trees and...the atom (from the Πρωτν king of kings to the ελεκτον drawn with cords of love giving food for meditation.) Since we can become sons of God, maybe those who fell set up their kingdom like God's design. I dont know, but it seems to make sense. "Beware kest ye fall" is something to be taken seriously by the sons of God.

Since the beginning of time, recently. Chose to exist before God began, after ascension. Still wrapping up in modern times. I'm Satan, The Satan. Not kidding in the least.

Simply read the POPES Bulls translated. It was the Feast of the Sacrament.

2 father's, light and dark

It is written: The Earth is The LORD'S and All That Dwelleth Therein!

Is The Second Horseman, RED???.

Empedocles sounds remarkably like Taliesin.

Tempted by satan, satan cast out satan he binds the strong man; then indeed he may plunder his house. Satan immediately comes the devil had ended every temptation, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy.

The problem is Brain. The film " life of Brian" was unfortunately penned by a dyslexic. But in essence, the problem is Brain.

This is interesting topics. I have a very different take on Paul and on ‘the god of this age’ and ‘the rulers of this age’. I think ‘the god of this age’ (2 Cor 4:4) for Paul, is the idolization of old covenant boundary markers. It is verbally and conceptually linked to the veiling effect of the reading of the old covenant (2 Cor 3:14-16). The ‘god/.idol of this age’ blinds the minds of the apiston = the unfaithful Jews. See Philippians 3:18-19, where the majority of Jews are accused of gloyriong in their cut foreskins - their kata-tomen (shame-cision) and treating the stomac (~food laws) as their god! It is harsh rhetoric, and it saddened Paul that this was the state of many of his fellow Jews. Paul did forsake his former life in Judaism and considered his former sources of pride as garbage/faeces = shameful, compared to knowing Christ. Paul also quotes a remnant text from the First Testament in Romans 11:2-5 where the majority of Jews had bent their knee to Baal and killed their peophets. Why did Paul choose this remnant text, and not a more positive one? Paul comments: “So too at the present time”. After speaking about the remnant, which is ‘by grace’, he continues to cite these shocking passages from the First Testament about the majority of Jews of his own day: as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.” And David says: May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever It is extremely harsh rhetoric. Paul was devastated that the majority of his people were’ cursed’ and ‘cut off’ from Christ (Romans 9:2-3). Paul did have faith that things would change at the end, and that the elect Jewish people all would eventually all turn to Christ, but at Paul’s time they were under Gid’s wrath because of their rejection of the gospel-message and it’s personification in Jesus. 1 Thess 2.13-16 supports my take on Paul’s view of the path chosen by many of his fellow Jews perfectly, though it is a horrible fact that the text has been misunderstood and used to support anti-semitism. Paul was certainly not anti-semitic, but he was vehemently against what he saw as blinding idolatry of the old covenant boundary markers - a prime example of ‘the stoicheia tou kosmou’ - the ‘basic principles of the world’ that enslaves. The ‘worship’ of boundary markers were in the way of Paul’s gospel of freedom from enslavement and were viewed by him as idols - that which is not God, and was yet given an undue reverence. Paul viewed himself as a minister of the new glorious covenant of the Sprit of God that brought freedom from bondage and lifted the veil of the old covenant, so that God’s testimony to the manifested gospel events could be seen in the Jewish scriptures. See here for an exposition about the ontology and identity of ‘the rulers of this age’ in 1 Cor 2:6&8 www.quora.com/Who-are-the-rulers-of-this-age-in-1-Corinthians-2-6-8/answer/Christian-Michael-4?ch=17&oid=346070077&share=587c435f&srid=Q0Xq&target_type=answer

Saturnius was a Roman pagan god, of this world in Greek he is Cronus the Titan born 25 December Father of Zeus the sun god with the goddess Rhea, keep tracing the footsteps of the fertile crescent all the way back to the Sumerian moon god Nanna, in Akkadian Syn/Sin father to the son god Shamash with the goddess Inanna /Ishtar. The old French /English word Synagogue is derived from it, the moon god was said to live inside Mount Siani. His symbol was the crescent moon and the bull.

40 minutes in sounds like a meeting at the triangle club. Bob & Bill approved, I'm certain Fixing the world seems easier than fixing one's self. Be authentic, except the results, work on the hard stuff.. repeat Maybe God doesn't want to be figured out? Wouldn't that be his safety and anonymity. Give him the upper hand.

Wait. You don't think demons are pure superstition?

@janhanger

2 жыл бұрын

How could it be superstition if greed, hate, pride makes the world go round.

@777Atum

2 жыл бұрын

@@janhanger same goes for a tribe of chimpanzees.

@youtubezcy

2 жыл бұрын

@@janhanger that isn't true though. You are putting yourself into the stories.

Read Rudolph bultman and duncan heaster, also Sigmund Freud. Satan is a metaphor for the wicked inclinations of human beings.

Michael Heiser sadly has died .❤❤❤

We have mortal human flesh body and from that All sin comes and with regards to that material desire the Enemy is your father and you are as his son. So both on a personal level and common/universal level Evil (temporarily) exists. This Hatefulness opposes Agape (Divine Love). IS it necessary to break it down further in this comment???? Probably, however I am not moved to do so at this time.

I never understood this until recently . And I don’t think we were ever supposed to eat the animals. Earth is weird can’t wait to be done here. Place is aweful, just nothing but hokus pokus out here. Nothing but hogwash ya know? A whole lotta malarkey . It’s a bloody misery pit. A dog gone stink hole . Rich people are getting outa hand it’s ridiculous . These gas prices …are you kidding me? You gotta stop yankin on my Yiddish yams before they’re ripe ya know? Stop tryin to taste my custard before it’s been cured throughout ya know. Put your tongs away the meat is still pink and bleeding geez. That’s all I’m trying to say. Don’t eat all your pumpkin in one sitting🎃