How Ancient Astrology is a Missing Key to Understanding Christian Origins

Too long the origins of early Christianity and its development in late Roman antiquity has focused on ancient texts--to the neglect of important material evidence, particularly the abundant numismatic evidence of the period--and its relationship to astrological beliefs. The view arose that one’s fortune or destiny was determined by the position of the stars at birth; by a knowledge of the stars, or astrology (Greek aster, “star”), one could learn about his or her fate. The study of astrology was extremely widespread in the Hellenistic world, affecting almost every religion or religious philosophy.
In this fascinating one hour lecture my friend David Wray, an independent researcher and numismatic expert an overview of the ways in which coins, astrology, Hellenistic religions, politics, and science were all shaped and influenced by astrological and cosmological perceptions. Although often unacknowledged, these realities lie behind many of our central New Testament texts and provide exciting new insights on the rise and development of early Christianity.
Wray's 2012 book, The Secret roots of Christianity: Decoding Religious History with Symbols on Ancient Coins, provides a full account of this much neglected aspect of the study of Christian Origins. I highly recommend it as an essential resource.
www.amazon.com/Secret-Roots-C...
David Wray is a researcher, writer, and collector of coins and other objects related to history and religion. He has traveled extensively in Europe, North Africa, Asia, and the Levant investigating how religious practices support life in different situations-particularly among people with living traditions of prophecy, healing, magic, and interaction with spirits. Notably, he traveled extensively in the Sahara Desert in Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia in 1972, and he lived in a Dinka village in Sudan from 1977-1978 helping with a USAID socioeconomic survey. He entered high-tech in 1978, ultimately retiring from a career in international long-haul computer networks in 2001. David then wrote “The Secret Roots of Christianity: Decoding Religious History with Symbols on Ancient Coins.” The book is a compilation of his historical research into the origins of Christianity illuminated by worldwide experiences with a variety of spiritual practitioners. Upon completion of this book in 2012, he focused exclusively on unexplained artifacts from the first half of the first millennium that seemed to connect ancient Christianity with astrology. Ancient literary sources connected poorly or not at all with this topic, so astrological breakthroughs arrived slowly in stages. It took eleven years finally to produce a sufficiently focused lecture with clear information that could communicate the nature, scope, and importance of this topic to someone largely unaware of its existence. David continues to work on the relationship between Astrology and Early Christianity, as well as pursuing new areas of research involving iconography, spiritual practice, and mental manipulation. One of David’s goals is to reliably create in modern times certain aspects of the ancient experience of mystery initiation.

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  • @lostmarxbro
    @lostmarxbroАй бұрын

    Absolutely Stellar

  • @J_Z913
    @J_Z913 Жыл бұрын

    This is an awesome video. Thank you Dr. Tabor for sharing this. This makes me want to re-watch World of Antiquity's video on ancient Near Eastern astrology. The SHWEP also has some episodes on subjects similar to this.

  • @methylmike
    @methylmike Жыл бұрын

    This subject was always blasphemous around my deaf/blind religious compatriots. I'm glad I'm not crazy. You continue to fascinate me, James!

  • @Isaac5123

    @Isaac5123

    11 ай бұрын

    Those religious compatriots are crazy. I once told men in a group of evangelist that I could no longer attend as they were singing Jesus is our god and also that I was adamant that the trinity is man made. I was branded a branch of the devil and I heard the minister telling a decon that they were being tested 😂 😂 😂

  • @KevinHammond1

    @KevinHammond1

    8 ай бұрын

    They must have never read the first page of the Bible where in Genesis 1 it tells us the Sun, Moon and Stars are for signs, seasons, days and years.

  • @svemory
    @svemory Жыл бұрын

    Love your channel! ( Did my M.Div at UTS, have been a student of astrology and metaphysics, the arcane, etc. in general since I was a kid, and all of that was a huge advantage in studying ancient religion and much biblical symbolism, specifically... When I lived in Jerusalem someone told me that Matzal Tov derives from 'Good Stars' or Fortunate Stars' The one piece of astrological art I have in the house is a print of a mosaic zodiac from an ancient synagogue in Jerusalem...)

  • @vesper8385
    @vesper8385 Жыл бұрын

    This is a next-level presentation, thanks for bringing it to our attention Mr Tabor.

  • @williammosley8026

    @williammosley8026

    Ай бұрын

    Really ? Lol it's a terrible presentation

  • @starblue324
    @starblue324 Жыл бұрын

    Dr. Tabor you are on fire with these releases! I'm enjoying them all, thank you.

  • @michaelsmith9453
    @michaelsmith9453 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the interesting and informative lecture, Dr. Tabor.

  • @jackrorystaunton4557
    @jackrorystaunton4557 Жыл бұрын

    definitely interested in seeing more material on this compelling topic. a summary with commentary of this presentation would be welcome too!

  • @laurenjones3184
    @laurenjones3184 Жыл бұрын

    This was great. Ate hope there will be more lectures which pick up where this one finished!

  • @Austria88586
    @Austria88586 Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating as I've come to expect from all your videos.

  • @matthewalger4690
    @matthewalger4690 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely amazing, informative, and shows the formation of Christianity and post second temple Jewish ideology was never developed in a vacuum. Here we can clearly see the level of influence in these religions from astrological science. Gotta watch this one on repeat. It is interesting to think about how predictions of the future based on astrological events become a self fulfilling prophecy for those who are in that future and act according to these signs. Mind-blowing 🤯

  • @bfazakerly
    @bfazakerly Жыл бұрын

    Deep but fascinating; a lot of material to cover. I am definitely interested in ordering his book so that I can take my time to absorb his message. thank you, Dr. Tabor, for presenting this video.

  • @michaelsmith9453

    @michaelsmith9453

    Жыл бұрын

    You can always read the transcript!

  • @peterhook2258
    @peterhook2258 Жыл бұрын

    All "Christian" scholars need to stop what they are doing and dive into this for the sake of exploring faith from a dual perspective. A potential "King" and his teachings combined with his second life, in the stars. Amazing.

  • @tamaratheoracle5028
    @tamaratheoracle5028Ай бұрын

    Great lecture! Well suited for Astrology associations as well.

  • @mediocrates3416
    @mediocrates3416 Жыл бұрын

    The meditative experience is also key. I had no idea, searched for the truth and had one full week of visions and a voice. One full week of personal experience; a secret between myself and truth, you might call it.

  • @annwood6812
    @annwood6812 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting presentation! I need to watch it a few times to understand. I've long been interested in amateur astronomy and it's hard for me to grasp astrology because it involves what invisible planets and constellations are up during daylight hours. If I can't see something, I'm not generally interested in it. Time to broaden my horizons.

  • @kenmcclellan
    @kenmcclellan Жыл бұрын

    Sooo happy to see someone covering this! Because THIS month was so special to them! I would disagree, however, that it's about astrology ... it's about ASTRONOMY. So if you want to find the Sign of Jonas, for example, look between Cetus and Pegasus toward the end of this month. The three days in the belly of the Whale is the passage of the Moon. They thought we would be in for a pole shift. Now that Aries has traversed Pisces, it is time for the poles to hit the equator.

  • @robsellars9338

    @robsellars9338

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Can you tell me why Jonah was given this sign originally in the old testament, or what it is supposed to mean astronomically. I mean how often does the moon pass through this constellation? Why is it important?

  • @kenmcclellan

    @kenmcclellan

    Жыл бұрын

    @@robsellars9338 If it hadn't been for Jonah, we would have only the mysterious comment of Jesus with zero context. As it is, we can sort of figure out when Jonah made it to the gate. If we assume a big sign in Cetus and that he went to Nineveh around 745 BC in the time of Tiglath-Pileser III, that could take us to 20-23 Feb -746J (12-15 Feb 746 BC). However, it is not the simple fact of a conjunction in Cetus that is the big deal. It's a conjunction in Cetus with Jupiter and Venus lined up, more or less, with visiting space objects known as the Dragon and the Lion (or many other names). The Magi (and priests) tracked the signs until they no longer knew how. But he gives us another hint. In Jonah 3:1, he says he saw the Word for the second time. That's a Phoenix event. A Jupiter-Sun in Aquarius. Not super common. For example, I see one 20 Jan -754J (12 Jan 753 BC). So the Cetus event (with Jupiter and Venus in tow) that got him thinking UH OH was probably the one of 9-12 Mar 753J (1-4 Mar 752 BC). And we start looking for two occurences of the Word -- the Yod (Jupiter) at the Hey (Aquarius) with the Sun. So I see his Second Word on 26 Jan -742J (18 Jan 741 BC). It took him three days to get to Nineveh after the 2nd Word. And there's another special Cetus event coming the next year! 26 Feb -741J (18-21 Feb 740 BC). Long story short, the people of Nineveh tracked many of the same signs as the Jewish priests. And they all resolved to don sackcloth, sit in ashes and repent. So guess what! We, the moderns, saw the Word 27-28 Feb 2010. We saw the 2nd Word 5 Mar 2022. And we have a special Cetus event coming later this month ... in a time of the presence of the visitors. In the 13th Year of the Dragon and what will be the 8th Year of the Lion. So, aside from the Asbury Revival in Kentucky, have you seen ANY indication this great nation is about to repent??? Because there is no time. (Maybe 36 days to Easter!)

  • @robsellars9338

    @robsellars9338

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kenmcclellan This is interesting, are you using software to find all of these signs and words? Why is Aquarius HEH? I get Jupiter is j or YOD.

  • @kenmcclellan

    @kenmcclellan

    Жыл бұрын

    @@robsellars9338 Look at it in Paleo Hebrew. Then remember the Great Adam of John the Baptist's people. Aquarius was a superasterusm of Aquarius, Phoenix and Horologium. There is your wonky leg of Israel.

  • @kenmcclellan

    @kenmcclellan

    Жыл бұрын

    @@robsellars9338 Three days of darkness? One day soon, there is an eclipse of sun, moon and stars.

  • @miriambellas
    @miriambellasАй бұрын

    i was raised in a christian home and always loved astrology since i was 12, im now 47 and never stopped to study religion and stars combined, it is really fascinating never ceased to impress me !

  • @dadedowuh
    @dadedowuh Жыл бұрын

    Great video! That gentleman deserves a lot of credit. Thank you for sharing.

  • @paineite
    @paineite Жыл бұрын

    Dr. Tabor, thank you for this post. I'll try to contact you more directly about some work and an 1855 book that you may find interesting.

  • @TheBackyardProfessor
    @TheBackyardProfessor Жыл бұрын

    Utterly fascinating! Thanks for sharing.

  • @23ADJ93
    @23ADJ93 Жыл бұрын

    The more I learn, the more I realize I have a lot to learn to have any comprehension of these biblical texts. Especially raised as an evangelical, it’s like - everything was so wrong that now that I’m learning from academic sources, my mind is blown. It’s hearing all this material and explanations that I’ve never heard before. Also, there’s really no way around it is there? you need to learn the language of the texts, and then know the references the material is making. So much to learn just to have a decent grasp on the texts. This is going to take awhile lol

  • @michaelsmith9453

    @michaelsmith9453

    Жыл бұрын

    Always look at both sides and make TRUTH the objective no matter where it leads you.

  • @thetruest7497

    @thetruest7497

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah the Church does their best to scramble your brains so you never make it out. Glad you were able to do it anyways.

  • @gileadtenn

    @gileadtenn

    Жыл бұрын

    Drew: Just because these men are called scholars doesn't mean they necessarily know everything... astrology and astronomy are 2 different approaches entirely. This gentleman doesn't seem to know the difference.

  • @23ADJ93

    @23ADJ93

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gileadtenn and apparently you are unaware astronomy evolved from astrology, just like modern chemistry evolved from alchemy.

  • @gileadtenn

    @gileadtenn

    Жыл бұрын

    @Drew Jones No sir that is incorrect. Astronomy in origin was focused on the mazzaroth from ancient times through the descendants of Ibir (Eber). Astrology is a corrupted pseudoscience that was given to man from fallen entities via Mount Hermon. Astrology is a corrupted form of astronomy based on the occult 💯 With all due respect, you have it backwards my friend.

  • @lostmarxbro
    @lostmarxbro2 ай бұрын

    What a great presentation. Thanks for this

  • @Brian-kr1pt
    @Brian-kr1pt Жыл бұрын

    Thank you James!

  • @30thMay
    @30thMay Жыл бұрын

    Please, what conversion software or website did David Wray use to convert the Hebraic dates into the Gregorian dates, i.e., in order to arrive at 17th April? Is it the same software or website that Dr James Tabor uses to convert hebraic dates into Gregorian dates?

  • @patriciaoudart1508
    @patriciaoudart1508 Жыл бұрын

    James, Lot lot Thanks🙏💚🧡👍👍👍👍

  • @jasmyneemmerick
    @jasmyneemmerick Жыл бұрын

    This is off topic, Dr. Tabor, but what bible translation would you recommend for someone who is not an academic scholar but would like to read the Bible?

  • @guitaoist
    @guitaoist11 ай бұрын

    Jesus was the Pisces Age’s messiah. The sign of psychic and telekinetic ability, shown as 2 fish & ruled by the feet. So ofcourse Jesus offers fish, washes feet, and controls the weather

  • @ArnaGSmith
    @ArnaGSmith Жыл бұрын

    Amazing how much we just don't know.

  • @edwardbennett5700
    @edwardbennett5700Ай бұрын

    The story in the stars

  • @johnthompson2256
    @johnthompson2256 Жыл бұрын

    Dr. Tabor or anyone who can respond. About the 22-minute mark, there is a discussion of spiritual descent and the idea of a mortal twin. Esau and Jacob are twins. Would Esau be the mortal twin with Jacob as the spiritual? Is there any writings on this? I am writing on Jacobs journey to becoming Israel and the involvement of the House of Laban. Thanks, John Thompson

  • @jennifersilves4195
    @jennifersilves4195 Жыл бұрын

    I'm wow. Thank-you.

  • @MBiernat0711
    @MBiernat0711 Жыл бұрын

    Oh man - not just astrology but numerology. So of course - Jesus is the “Fisher King” because he comes in the age of Pisces. The age of Pisces started around the birth of Jesus. Now - of course- the 12 tribes / 12 apostles symbolize the zodiac signs. So the 12 represent the tribes - but, let us say - 144 or 144000 would symbolize larger humanity- the 12 multiplied. In Mark - Jesus multiples the 5 loads of bread - symbol of the Torah. Jesus is teaching the crowd of a new, miraculous, living Torah. The black box the Jews wear on their foreheads- symbol of Saturn. Square and black and both symbols of Saturn. So far - so on …. Examples are endless …. Interestingly- the age AWTER Pisces is Aquarius- and the sign is symbolized by a human being. As Pisces is the sign of compassion and suffering - Aquarius is the sign of communication: groups of people coming together, growth of technological advances. Who knows - maybe the saying “the Son of Man coming on the white cloud” - is the prophecy of humanity, in the sign of Aquarius - getting to see itself by the means of the internet “cloud” lol Thus, the prophet HAS BEEN FULFILLED (or will be after the singularity kicks in). Oh, by the way - the sign of Aquarius is opposite to the sign of Leo. That is why the Messiah comes “as a man from the tribe of Leo/Juda”. Also - the Pisces are directly opposite to Virgo - that is why the first, suffering Messiah is “born of the Virgin.”

  • @thedarkmoonman
    @thedarkmoonman Жыл бұрын

    good stuff

  • @donaldbrown9878
    @donaldbrown9878 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks James...but unfortunately it's not presented in your easy to understand way for us layman. However I'm sure that re listening over several cups of coffee I'll get it

  • @sheilastutz6436

    @sheilastutz6436

    3 ай бұрын

    Are you serious? 😂

  • @maldoom2744
    @maldoom2744 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. A more polished presentation would make it much easier to concentrate on the material.

  • @patriciaoudart1508
    @patriciaoudart1508 Жыл бұрын

    🙏💚🧡👍👍👍👍So Marvelous, James, so much data to analyze about the coming end of the world with my suspicious Observers astrophysicists friends! All that show they were knowing the fall of the sky, and that flood were related to sky event. You are All walking in the foot prints of Paul when he went studying in Mesopotamia. 👍🙆👌🤗i'm lot impressed how fast we find evidences now, and how All is connected as we said previously in the comments of you Work! Lot lot of things to say about this video, too much data to analyse, i'm lot impressed that my reference book by Platon, The Republic, about Trifunction, have been cited three times here, the connections with Alexandria Knowledge and Vedic analysis of the cosmos data in predictions much impressed also by the analysis of proximal Nova in cycle, that are recurrent nova, and for that reason the fall of the sky is in fact the Earth recurrent micronova, that writes the Earth life cycles with the blow of the Earth rotation cycle. In fact this is Earth blow that seems like for Us that fall of the sky. So we stand already for the next end, as Humans have seen by their eyes 120 centuries ago, in geological evidences and Sun system changing shows actually. What a chance to end our lives seeing that! Smacks to Paul, he did a good job, Jesus too because we actually studying how the Good's Sheppard will help Humanity in this '' through a needle hole time ''. Don't you recognize what Jesus was trying to say?...the good new, being in the spirit of God, his kingdom is now, being like those children, and sell your things and take the road to be those pure spirits wich will transmit to the next world the Good way to live the event! (About Sheppard, Houd like my real name here, in mesopotamian mostly in Indo iranian, is near to say the right man, the sheep Kepper. My physically clones ,Oudmourts , are Fino Ougrian animals keppers, and I'm from ancients Saka and Sarmatians people established in North of France for millennials. I think memory stands over generations, like the color of my eyes, skins and other particularity. 120 centuries is not so long to keep in a mythologic form, memories of ancient events, and scientific observations. Through archeological time, we are mostly the third cyclic event that we had been able to analyse , this one will be the Fourth, so this is amazing being using the technological internet to communicate about the ancient scientist's homework , as all our actual civilization is about to be destroyed. This is so amazing that we can't even being in fear! 😎We are proud and Wise in living this time, because the most elevated Wisdom is challenged to prepare the next Human World for Goods!🙏💚🧡➿➿➿.

  • @danfrancis2707
    @danfrancis2707 Жыл бұрын

    So they dragon is leviathan, leviathan being a symbol for pisces? @12:00

  • @retepelyod
    @retepelyod Жыл бұрын

    Hey James, did you push the wrong button?

  • @ezekielsaltar4728
    @ezekielsaltar4728 Жыл бұрын

    The next day, April 18th, 6 BCE there was a solar eclipse. Allowing the wise men to see Jupiter in the day time.

  • @elizabeth_777
    @elizabeth_777 Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating….

  • @angelamckay9281
    @angelamckay9281 Жыл бұрын

    Golden!

  • @gusgus1816
    @gusgus181610 ай бұрын

    Just watched this all& took notes. Finished like "Damn. Awesome" Only thing i found confusing - this presentation recognizes the clear allegory & astrotheology of the bible and other books and yet talks about nazareth and Jesus the Christ as if they were literally real historically.

  • @stevenv6463
    @stevenv646311 ай бұрын

    I am picking up what he is putting down but why isn't this mentioned more in literary sources? It's as if it is a big secret to hide. I feel the same hesitance to accept ideas about ethneogens for the same reason.

  • @blindfreddy9157
    @blindfreddy91576 ай бұрын

    It's very frustrating to not be able to see the images to which he is referring.

  • @banba317
    @banba317 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely riveting. No complaints here; I can see the connections you so plainly point out. For those who can't; either the material is too dense for you, or you are too dense for the material.

  • @jennifersilves4195

    @jennifersilves4195

    Жыл бұрын

    Be nice. It is dense, which I appreciate.

  • @gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340
    @gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340Ай бұрын

    these videos represent truth. study them

  • @carmelmulroy6459
    @carmelmulroy6459 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting but hard to hear

  • @camilleespinas2898
    @camilleespinas2898 Жыл бұрын

    I don’t understand a lot of the terms used as I am not educated in astrology or the use of it in the gnostic viewpoint. However, I did awaken to the main fact of how important astrology was to the ancient people and how darn smart they were in following the planets and stars. It appears they were actually able to predict and make sense of it all. I wish I could have heard more about Pantera . My ears perked up when I heard that name as I remember Dr. Tabor talking about the Jewish and Greek writings that Named the Roman soldier Pantera as the fatter of Jesus. I looked up this claim in Wikipedia and interestingly they denied this theory and claimed it was Jewish satire. I wonder why as I have never read any other opinions about other topics in the Old Testament that were explained away like this. I find this “highly compelling !”

  • @donalddotson-cw5ll

    @donalddotson-cw5ll

    9 ай бұрын

    Wikipedia is changed by anyone that wants to be able to discredit the truth about something. Never use Wikipedia as your only source of information.

  • @11kravitzn
    @11kravitzn Жыл бұрын

    I'd love a detailed walkthrough of the astrological significance of Jonah and its symbols in early Christianity. The astrological connection is fascinating but pretty opaque. Is there any connection to the "third heaven" mentioned by Paul? Is that astrological, too, maybe Venus?

  • @nathanpriddis412

    @nathanpriddis412

    Жыл бұрын

    The Constellations, or Signs, are not the same as a second or third Heaven. These lay outside our Cosmos. What we call Heaven is translated from a plural Hebrew word. Heaven is always read as plural.

  • @11kravitzn

    @11kravitzn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nathanpriddis412 But the different spheres are often associated with different celestial bodies. Paul mentions a "third heaven" in 2 Cor 12:2.

  • @Entererofthethreshold

    @Entererofthethreshold

    Жыл бұрын

    More likely emanationist than astrological. There’s lots of “gnostic” like concepts in Paul, so an emanation understanding wouldn’t be surprising.

  • @WaarheidWintAltijd
    @WaarheidWintAltijd Жыл бұрын

    Psalm 19:1

  • @shibainu6478
    @shibainu6478 Жыл бұрын

    Listening to this video if the dating of April 17, 6BCE is accurate, it reveals that the sliver moon is not the new moon, the FULLMOON is the real new moon and it starts the month. I don't know if somebody who watched this video realized the same.

  • @robsellars9338

    @robsellars9338

    Жыл бұрын

    What video link I didn't see it BUT in the Jewish Exodus book God tells Moses to reboot the Jewish calendar just as they leave Exodus and he tells him to celebrate this day as full moon 15th of the month Passover date.

  • @jonathansmiddy7224
    @jonathansmiddy7224 Жыл бұрын

    ✌️❤

  • @gileadtenn
    @gileadtenn Жыл бұрын

    🤔 I really don't know if scholars truly understand the difference between a "jew" and an "Hebrew"... They are not one in the same necessarily.

  • @kaygibbs8639

    @kaygibbs8639

    Жыл бұрын

    Greetings, Intrigued at your comment. Will you please share your opinion, because I'm still trying to define/understand this issue. History, culture, theology, DNA (?) Who and when (?) defined the ancient Hebrew, and also Israelites/Jews? I've always been told Israelites were all 12 Tribes of Jacob (but not DINAH), but that Jews were strictly from the Tribe of Judah only. Thanks for any TORAH clarity :)

  • @SolarNeonFlare

    @SolarNeonFlare

    3 ай бұрын

    @@kaygibbs8639 Read a few comments around here, the easiest way is to realize what the so called 12 tribes meant, they're the signs of the zodiac. 12 apostles, 12 tribes, 12 signs of the zodiac, that should clear the muddy waters when trying to research that.

  • @robsellars9338
    @robsellars9338 Жыл бұрын

    James, you need to help your friend to improve his presentations. Graphics are terrible and sound is in and out. Very difficult to follow.

  • @ArnaGSmith

    @ArnaGSmith

    Жыл бұрын

    Hard to follow, but makes you want to knowmore.

  • @robertclark6992

    @robertclark6992

    Жыл бұрын

    It is esoteric and dense information bringing together the back story of how people of that time really understood their world. A More alien world view than I could've imagined.

  • @patriciaoudart1508

    @patriciaoudart1508

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree but lot of data, He written a book, the best thing is to buy his books and study them, this also will help him! There is too much data to make a simple presentation. Only the Nazarene temple mosaic presentation would take days of explanations, and James Tabor was no wrong to go digging in that field. More i'm going to link this video to Astrophysicists Friends , so much to dig! We are only a the beginning of a bigger bigger puzzle we have now a lot of the pieces begining to meet together!... So this is a good start however the technical communication will have to be developped by anyone doing his and her homework. We have in hand the subject, now.🙏💚🧡😎🤗👍

  • @wmad33

    @wmad33

    Жыл бұрын

    But great information!

  • @napoleonecheverria3657
    @napoleonecheverria3657 Жыл бұрын

    Talk about.. out of this world experience..and coming back to Peter s chair..

  • @RolanRoyce
    @RolanRoyce Жыл бұрын

    Too bad he didn't look up the pronunciation of "Seleucid" though.

  • @walterlahaye2128
    @walterlahaye2128 Жыл бұрын

    Immersion is also required in order for one to become a member of the New Testament church. THE CHURCH MUST WARE HIS NAME 18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it to you? The day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. (AMOS 5:18)

  • @lostbill
    @lostbill Жыл бұрын

    Matthew nore Luke specify a day of Yeshua’s birth. Those dates are speculation from scholars.

  • @Martin_Ditzel
    @Martin_Ditzel Жыл бұрын

    Time span from 6 BCE to 6 CE is eleven years; because there is no year-zero.

  • @robsellars9338

    @robsellars9338

    Жыл бұрын

    It's a lunar time span called a tritos. The Jews measured time using lunar cycles (there are many). BUT if they actually meant to convey a 12 year gap this would indicate something different.

  • @robsellars9338

    @robsellars9338

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peahummer2360 yes I understand this system but how is it relevant to my comment. This topic was about why two different Bible authors apparently described the same astronomical event 12yrs or 11yrs apart?

  • @sheilastutz6436
    @sheilastutz64363 ай бұрын

    I am not much of a soeaker but i bet i learn quicker than u on these matters!

  • @TheZinmo
    @TheZinmo Жыл бұрын

    Is the goal of this talk to make me a mythicist? Jesus fits so perfectly into what astrologists expected, just as if the authors made it fit. So - if there was a man - we know even less about him. Even the crucifiction...

  • @SolarNeonFlare

    @SolarNeonFlare

    3 ай бұрын

    None of the bible persons are real or lived. It's all astrology and archtypes. The so called CRUCIFICATION is the "Sun" being crucified annually, dying and coming back to life. During the Winter Solstice, on 22nd december to the 25th, the sun is at its weakest/lowest point, nights are longer during the winter but during winter solstice the sun "dies" for 3 days at the horizon or so it appears, fitting with the jesus myth, it's actually moving a few degrees south which make it appear still "dead". Then on the 25th, it starts raising again,(fitting with the celebrated christmas birth on the 25h) comes back to life, days get longer, more warmth comes. Each year it so happens. You can see how christians repeat the same rituals annually following the SUN in essence. To summarize it, the story of jesus is the allegorical story of the sun going through the zodiac signs annually. To further give you an example, "Judas" betrays Jesus with a kiss. You see, the SUN enters scorpio, the scorion's tail bite leaves a KISS MARK like, thus Jesus is betrayed, poisoned by "judas", once that happens it's all downfall. The sun starts "going down more and more", Jesus then gets crucified and killed off by a roman soldier using a SPEAR in the end, the sun enters Sagittarius. It's all astrology. During easter, he's called the lamb of GOD, because the SUN IS IN ARIES, people eat lamb, again, those are things that weren't "invented" by christianity,

  • @Bodhi_118
    @Bodhi_11811 күн бұрын

    the vatican has lots of astronomy stuff there

  • @sheilastutz6436
    @sheilastutz64363 ай бұрын

    Cocca

  • @jussikankinen9409
    @jussikankinen94093 ай бұрын

    Jesus said u dont need to go church, but help the poor

  • @MelissaThompson432
    @MelissaThompson432 Жыл бұрын

    It's a little thing, but why does he use the Latin pronunciation of "VEER go" and then call Libra "LY bra" rather than "LEE bra"? It's actually very interesting material, but hearing "LY bra" is like driving over a speed bump....

  • @michaelsmith9453
    @michaelsmith9453 Жыл бұрын

    A MUST SEE (imho) is Gill Broussard's Planet7X found on KZread. Describes a rogue planets near passbys as recorded in Scripture! Truly amazing!

  • @WaarheidWintAltijd
    @WaarheidWintAltijd Жыл бұрын

    D I T R H

  • @exoplanet11
    @exoplanet118 ай бұрын

    A fascinating topic. However like many who study 'astrotheology' it is just an endless stream of linkages of patterns & symbols & myths without support....and thus of dubious scholarly value. The artifacts presented are real and valuable archeological data. However, 25 minutes into the talk, I did not hear a single citation from an ancient source to support the notion that ancient people interpreted these symbols the way he interprets them.

  • @SolarNeonFlare

    @SolarNeonFlare

    3 ай бұрын

    People have always used the sky lights and always knew/thought that they affect our lives. They are given many personalities and what not, a lot of ancient statues, myths etc just re-tell the stories of the sky lights as interpreted by humans. When Mythra slays the bull, it has a crab bust on his private parts, that's obviously astrology, sky events put in stone. What that represented was the age of taurus ENDING, thus Mythra was slaying the bull. From the so called year 0, the time of jesus, we've been in the age of PISCES and now we're entering the age of Aquarius. Scholary or not, those are things that were known back then because astrology in essence is a language, you can hide it in plain site. There's a lot of symbology in chrstianity that has to do with 2 fish (pisces). Regarding mythra and the bull, there's a lot of that in the old testament too, where jews were worshipping a bull made of gold/golden calf? and so came a time where moses destroyed the bull? Kinda like mythra no? Age of taurus ending. Ps : none of the bible people are real or lived, it's just stories and allegories portraying the sky.

  • @sheilastutz6436
    @sheilastutz64363 ай бұрын

    You all acr like he's speaking all complicated and you look up to hin! 🤣

  • @scottintexas
    @scottintexas Жыл бұрын

    Astrology (our lives are pre-determined and affected by the stars) - NO; Mazzaroth (aka zodiac or 12 signs and 36 related constellations) - YES. Job 38:32, 2 Kings 23:5, incorporating also other references to planets, stars, sun, and moon. These are very different concepts. One is forbidden by God, the other created by God to discern them as a sign of the times. Magi were not astrologers, but a priestly caste in the region of Babylon who understood the mazzaroth, pr how to discern the sign of the times. They didd not follow a star in the sky, but recognized by this astronomical event that the prophecies were being fulfilled, and it was time (finally after multiple generations) to deliver the items that Daniel had given their caste to deliver to this King of kings in the exact place foretold, Beit Lechem (or house of Bread). Be careful of such false references bc most people do not research sufficiently, and will just start check their horoscopes and following astrology instead of their Bible.

  • @gileadtenn

    @gileadtenn

    Жыл бұрын

    Scott: you are ABSOLUTELY right brother... This guy is trying to blur the lines between astrology and astronomy in association with the inspired scripture of YAHUAH. And this is the reason people should study to show themselves approved and not hang on the words of mere men. But this is indeed the scholarly agenda in modernity. Unfortunate.

  • @jerryhogeweide5288
    @jerryhogeweide5288 Жыл бұрын

    Book of Rev is full of astrology and you won’t ever understand that book until you see that. You can’t use modern zodiac however and must use constellations instead. It’s probably the only way you can identify Jesus at his return unless you’re so gullible you believe ‘clouds’ is literal. One major sign was astronomy in Rev 12 that occurred on 9/23/2017 describing the woman giving birth. Astronomy told the story of a comet going from Leo into Virgo’s womb, followed by Jupiter entering the womb just after that. Jupiter remained in the womb for just over 9 months going retro. Now notice the guy on the white horse given a bow and a crown. The crown is a string of planets just like the woman had only the sun had to be in Leo and moon in Aries. The bow is picturing the planets in the day sky with moon on the western horizon and Saturn on the east forming a bow. That particular alignment tells the story of the suffering servant and any astrologer will recognize the language no matter whether they use zodiacs or constellations. That’s how he’s both a lion and a slain lamb. In astrology terms, the moon is in the hardest position possible using only the 7 original planets. And that’s exactly what you should expect that astronomy would also tell his story along with Isa 53

  • @cjpapasito
    @cjpapasito10 ай бұрын

    Predictive astrology

  • @petergrant2561
    @petergrant2561 Жыл бұрын

    I suspect that there may well be astrological connections to the early Christian literature, but this is such an awkward, disjointed and confused presentation that it wouldn't convince me of anything!

  • @carlharmeling512
    @carlharmeling512 Жыл бұрын

    Among Jesus’ parables is one about those who are able to understand him and those who can’t and never will. The meaning of which is, to receive it (the meaning that is) you must believe it; as in if you the ears to hear it you will hear it. Nonbelievers will never believe without the ‘ears’ to hear it. This is elemental psychology and explains so called cognitive dissonance. Christianity produces cognitive dissonance in the majority of people.

  • @davidagiel8130
    @davidagiel8130 Жыл бұрын

    Jesus = the sun, Lucifer = Venus The story of Jesus is the same as the Baal cycle and the ancient Egyptian trinity Osirus, Horus, and Isis. It's just the annual cycle, the sun moving from summer to winter and back again. The only object in the entire universe from our perspective that appears to die and rise again after three days is the sun after the winter solstice, born again in Virgo the virgin.

  • @SolarNeonFlare

    @SolarNeonFlare

    3 ай бұрын

    Very well said, thank u!

  • @Scorned405
    @Scorned405 Жыл бұрын

    Christianity is basically a patchwork of astrology and recycled mythology. There was characters in pre Christian mythology that were “ born from a virgin” and “ rose from the dead”

  • @milenkovacevickelvinmedrano

    @milenkovacevickelvinmedrano

    11 күн бұрын

    Not really, tho. Christianity is still unique like every other religion, despite similarities.

  • @johnmolujr473

    @johnmolujr473

    4 күн бұрын

    @@milenkovacevickelvinmedrano🙂‍↔️

  • @rhb30001
    @rhb30001 Жыл бұрын

    Still don’t see how Christianity got there information from astrology…doesn’t make any sense at all

  • @louannbyrd2653

    @louannbyrd2653

    Жыл бұрын

    Ask Yeshua to lift the veil from your eyes.

  • @dadedowuh

    @dadedowuh

    Жыл бұрын

    Jordan Maxwell explains it well, too.

  • @wilfredmancy

    @wilfredmancy

    Жыл бұрын

    The Witness of the Stars. E.W. Bullinger

  • @Postulatedstate
    @Postulatedstate5 ай бұрын

    God rules. Dont put your fear or faith in planets and stars.

  • @uguzone
    @uguzone5 ай бұрын

    Many incorrect interpretations!

  • @Thesortvokter
    @Thesortvokter Жыл бұрын

    Jonah = Oannes