Wow. That was one of, if not the most, informative and best video that I have ever seen regarding general language learning, Rita. I never knew any of it, except the existence of the very effective audiolingual method. Highly educational, and easy to watch, as you are also very easy on the eye too. Thank you very much, sweetheart.

4:17 Chinastudies student from Leiden here! I totally agree! The more traditional teaching method of prioritising reading and writing over speaking and listening is still so widespread here. Most of the student's written translating skills are pretty solid, but when it comes to speaking and listening there is still so much room for improvement. Those are also the parts most of my peers find to be the most difficult! Right now, me and some classmates are following Mandarin classes in Taiwan where the emphasis is definitely on speaking and listening. We are speaking and hearing Mandarin non stop and its crazy how fast you can improve this way.

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! Glad to hear that you and your classmates are having complementary lessons for speaking and listening now👏 Is it ICLP in Taiwan that you’re following? I used to work at IUP at Tsinghua University in Beijing, and we use pretty similar materials and methods. I believe the programs both came from the US audiolingual language teaching curriculum, as UC Berkley or Stanford University started the programs in Asia in the first place, then the method spreads to more schools and curriculum😊 Anyways, good luck with your studies!!

@coenvo

Жыл бұрын

@@RitaChinese im following classes at the mandarin training centre, MTC, at the National Taiwan Normal University. Our teachers at Leiden university made the textbooks and materials we are discussing here which are quite reading and translating proficiency focussed. The method of how the teachers here at MTC use this learning material however is very good. The main focus of the lessons here is verbal discussion, like discussing what the text says, what it means, what our opinion of it is, instead of just discussing correct translations. Furthermore the lessons in leiden were mainly in dutch/english, our teacher here gives the lessons in Mandarin at normal native speaking speed which is really helpful. Thank you for your good wishes! Your channel has been a favourite of mine throughout my Mandarin journey 🥰🫶🏻

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

That 台師大 class design sounds really like what we do in audiolingual classes, and I’ve heard quite some good words about programs at 台師大. I’m happy for you and your classmates! You’re definitely in good hands👏 加油！

How interesting! I’ve always been impressed by people learning foreign languages, especially in the past! How’d they do it without videos like these haha??

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

Hahah at least they had more time to spend on studying without watching videos like these or NOT like these😆

Just have to say that you uploading videos, no matter the content, is my main motivator and reminder to keep studying. It's like a teacher sending out a reminder (as if) that there's homework due tomorrow. lol

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

Hahah now I have another great reason to keep making videos here😊🙌

Great content! Keep the good work!

我是從一個軍事語言學院學會中文的學生，我同意你所說的。有機會每一個星期三十五以上學習中文的人很少，但是最基本的概念差不多。 雖然這樣子學習中文的過程很嚴格壓力很大，結果就是十八個月以後學生的中文基礎還可以。 畢業以後我還是好好學習，天天向上的，因為學如逆水行舟, 不進則退。 我的大愛是學習中文網絡語言以及使用我自己的中文的思維這個方面寫作散文。 希望更多人學會中文，大家互相理解而把人人的關係拉近了，求大同, 存小異。☺️

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

說得太好了！很高興你還在繼續學習中文👏希望像你說的，來自不同歷史文化背景的人可以透過語言相互理解和尊重❤️❤️

@adjm29

Жыл бұрын

@@RitaChinese 嗯嗯，只不過在表面上理解一門語言完全不夠，先要理解中文特色的幽默、歷史、語氣、風俗習慣等其他方面才能理解中國文化。還有，中文不僅僅是限於大陸文化，在某些方面來說，大陸跟台灣、馬來西亞、新加坡是截然不同。不管怎樣，中文博大精深，它的魅力在於學習過程其中。 再說，英文沒有中文的道理，所以做一個外國人學會英文挺難，辛苦你啦！ 我看看你的視頻，你才是為人師表！世界上有更多像你一樣的老師，那學習中文的學生更開心更幸福喔～ 加油👏

Always a huge fan of the content and I think you’re the most sensible 中文老師 here on KZread. I think the historical comparisons are interesting, but I have to wonder how much language proficiency those students actually retained after they graduated. Is there such a thing as learning too fast? And like you touched on briefly, I suspect those programs had a “bare bones” or highly specific curriculum. I am curious what it was like to teach 中文 to English speakers pre-internet… I believe sorted-alphabetically 拼音 dictionaries only came about in the last ~40 years. My point is: perhaps back in the 1940s, it was a NECESSITY to focus on speech/listening first, because it is was so hard for a student to produce/translate written sentences on their own given that today’s learning tools were nonexistent. Your larger point seems to be that this is also the more effective sequence. Seems to be how babies learn too, right? It’s speech and then reading, writing. I love your critique in support of “to-the-point” grammar explanations; I felt that in my soul 😂

Keep up the good work Fan laoshi! ❤

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Working on the next two videos💪💪

06:20 the “twitter chinese experts" tease👉👉immediate thumb up :D

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

😁😁

hoping to see us become allies again. great video.

China is great. Lovely people. Safe country, wonderful food, excellent travel options.

Nice

Yeah, my uni program in Prague was manily based on grammar and reading. Many students after the program can read and write very well, but their speaking is often very terrible. Even the pronunciation of many of the teachers there was bad... Not sure how it's now, some 10 years later... All my speaking skills and pronunciation I gained in China... And now with Rita ❤

🙌!

Totally agree, watching Mandarin TV drama and learning from books or the more theoretical online courses will get you only so far. That's why I signed up for your new bootcamp. Can't wait to start with the drills. :-)

@JohnnyLynnLee

Жыл бұрын

Who to follow? Seve Kaufman, that besides mandarin speaks over 20 languages or someone trying to sell you something? hummm.. such a hard choice!

@AlexvanGalenTheDutchDaoist

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyLynnLee It's not about following, Steve is a great guy but this is about actually investing in yourself to actually learn to speak the language. I'm very grateful that an expert like Rita offers such a comprehensive step-by-step program. The first course I did with her was the best I've ever found. It helped me a lot.

@JohnnyLynnLee

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexvanGalenTheDutchDaoist She is an expert and not KAUFMAN?? Really? She knows more about how to go about learning a language than a guy how can speak 20 languages (including my own and eve one of the four I speak so far except Vietnamese and I can attest he DOES speak them fairly well? Do what you want, my friend; But you don't need to pay A DIME to learn a language. I never paid. First, not because of "pride" but because I'm POOR and I was even poorer. Second, not because I'm "a genius, like she herself mocked me, but because EVERYONE, as human being, can do he same.

could someone translate the tattoos??

that's amazing lol

我觉得她很可爱❤

@DinoBryce

Ай бұрын

我也觉得 😊

How did we learn to speak our own native language? Our parents first gave us a textbook and a stack of lesson plans to help us understand complicated grammar rules and translate our baby words into our target mother tongue, right? .... Nope. Our sole language training was simply repeating and building on the words we heard in use all around us in an immersive environment; and - miracles of miracles! - we became fluent conversationalists (with a few odd mistakes here and there, of course) in no time, BEFORE we ever learned how to read or write the approximately 10,000 words an average 5-year-old already knows how to say. This is the natural way a human brain learns a new language and I've seen this same approach work faster and more effectively even with adults.

@ianmansfield68

7 ай бұрын

Well I've been in China for 5 years and can say that approach doesn't work very well here so I respectfully disagree. It might work in European languages but not here IMO. Then one Chinese school that helped me actually had an established simple training method for working out the grammar structure and it made ALL the difference.

@lisleveach2744

7 ай бұрын

I get it. Everyone learns differently. Glad that has been a successful method for you. My comment, though, was based my own observations based on a basic introduction to the simple spoken (only) Chinese language in the Air Force in the late 1960s, and then as an American living in China in the 1990s, as well as having fluent bi-lingual grandchildren (Korean & English). My teenage son became quite fluent in Chinese within three years living in China. He had very little formal classroom language instruction there, but we lived where there were few other English-speaking foreigners around, and he had no choice but to experience daily immersion in the language in conversation with his Chinese friends. (His first few sentences in Chinese were all about basketball, which he liked to play with other Chinese boys his age.) He made a lot of mistakes at first, but he learned to express his thoughts without concern about grammar and sentence structure, and in two years he became fluent enough to often be asked to translate for others. This is the way he also picked up Korean as an adult and was later was hired to teach business classes in a university in Korea in both English and Korean. I haven't observed that rapid and thorough an acquisition of a foreign language through organized language training systems that focus more on grammar and translation, though I'm sure there are good ones out there that work for many.

@lisleveach2744

7 ай бұрын

I lived in China for 7 years, by the way.

@JustJulia-qt9nh

4 ай бұрын

A) you are immersed 100% of the time in your target language. B) your brain is wired towards sound recognition and acquisition. C) you have nothing else on your to-do list D) it still takes you 5-7 years to acquire fluency (but your vocabulary is limited because you’re missing ALL the academic content. Research has validated intentional language learning time and time again as more efficient and faster than the natural acquisition of a baby.

@lisleveach2744

4 ай бұрын

Would love to see that research. @@JustJulia-qt9nh

Why did you say "humans" in the title, lmao

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s how human brain and body work😆

So basically, they were sitting on their asses and learning a language all day instead wasting time watching language influencers on youtube promoting their online courses, webinars, masterclasses, apps, ebooks and other junk. That's why they succeeded the same like that English guy who was interviewed on this channel, and people who watch youtube teachers and buy online courses don't.

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

The military personnel definitely had other training and subjects to work on, but language learning took up a huge portion of their time every day, indeed. The more important point is that what materials, instructions, learning methods, and tools people choose for their language learning all make difference to their learning results and effectiveness. The bright side of learning a distant language in 2023 is that there’s so much free stuff and information out there on the internet, especially quality content and information that can accelerate people’s learning process in the modern world. Of course, the flip side is that there’s also a bunch of misinformation and less useful content that may waste a lot of time of everyone. The ability to tell the information quality is crucial for people who wanna learn some skills on the internet haha

@taiquangong9912

Жыл бұрын

​@@RitaChineseI am a Chinese learner but get hindered working with having perfect tones. I can have 60 second Chinese conversations yet sometimes native speakers don't understand me which makes me feel like my Chinese is terrible and I momentarily quit learning. Any advice?

@ianmansfield68

7 ай бұрын

Yeah agreed on the misleading videos about "I mastered Mandarin in 6 months etc" - learning Chinese is at least a part time job rather than a 1 hour a day hobby. That's why these guys succeeded. To be fair she mentions later in the video that it is more effective to have specific instruction on the rules of Chinese grammar (this is what has screwed me up for 5 years in China - many courses don't teach it explicitly) - however this video would have been more effective if she had made that point during the story rather than waiting to the end.

The real factor that make this method work is overlooked: VOLUME and INTENSITY. It's just input. Comprehensible input again. This method CANNOT be mimicked with an one hour study session a day. It won't work. The constant drills will ONLY work if done by the THOUSANDS, over and over again. Again: comprehensible input. By UNDERSTANDING them over and over, it's forced to go to the long term memory.

@RitaChinese

Жыл бұрын

Look I’m really happy for you that CI has worked out so well in your personal experience (I’m not sure what you current Mandarin language skills are really like tho, well it’s not the point here), and I think I understand what’s you are so passionate about it, but this kind of cult vibe is exactly what makes CI, being such a fundamental concept for all language educators, brings sorta negative feelings to many people. Again, I respect your personal opinion, and I’m standing by my reflection and experience of working with 1000 Mandarin learners over the past 12 years.

@ritanassif918

Жыл бұрын

@@RitaChinese 👏🏽

@JohnnyLynnLee

Жыл бұрын

@@RitaChinese It is NOT like think it is. and what I'm saying is NOT a matter of opinion it is a FACT, shown by actual published researches in language learning. We have an ACTUAL SCIENCE behind it. Not "I think" it's this or that way. We have actual DATA. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lmWolKaBeaSsoMY.html

@JohnnyLynnLee

Жыл бұрын

@@ritanassif918 wouldn't it be a shame if SCIENCE disprove what she says. science isn't 'oppnion".

that's amazing lol