Crazy that they used to put humans into the bottoms of machines to cheat against top players then, and now they put machines into the bottoms of humans instead.

@damienmcgrory9462

Жыл бұрын

Why is this not the top comment? 😂😂

@paleposter

Жыл бұрын

bro...

@davidrobins1021

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@stimpy1278

Жыл бұрын

Nah seriously how is this not the top comment?

@albertcastillo9956

Жыл бұрын

Let's make it top comment

Fun fact: when Edgar Allen Poe wrote about the Turk, he stated that a chess-playing automaton must always win. Dude was about 200 years ahead of his time, but he was right in the end.

@Disfuguredbatman

Жыл бұрын

That's crazy

@QuantumHistorian

Жыл бұрын

​@@Disfuguredbatman Is it? Chess is a deterministic game. An automaton is a deterministic decision-making machine. It follows straight away that a sufficiently good automaton must therefore always win. In fact this reasoning, like Poe's is not only straight forward but also wrong, because chess played perfectly is a draw, not a win for either party (according to current understanding of chess anyway).

@JooJingleTHISISLEGIT

Жыл бұрын

@@QuantumHistorian the reasoning is only wrong if you are pitting a perfect automaton against a perfect automaton. human strength has shown itself to be limited far before perfect play. if the reasoning is "a perfect automaton playing against a human will always win", it's not provably true; but it is likely. (edit: that's not to say a single game couldn't be drawn instead of lost for the human, but a sufficiently large series of games played will always result in no losses for the automaton and also at least one win)

@gaopinghu7332

Жыл бұрын

​@@QuantumHistorianchess played perfectly is unknown. Only because chess engines always draw eachother it doesn't mean that they'll draw eachother forever.

@anass8525

Жыл бұрын

@@QuantumHistorian well, with everything we know now it is straight forward. But don't forget this is 200 years ago. A lot of things that are straight forward right now were definetly not straight forward back then.

1:34 Napoleon was ahead of his time, foreseeing the way our overlord ChatGPT would reinvent the game of chess

@Kqder

Жыл бұрын

Underrated

@the1ofus

Жыл бұрын

You stole my comment dang it

@PueSaness

Жыл бұрын

Also clever because even though he wasn't a good chess player, playing illegal moves is testing how much the automaton "knows" and what it can do. Trying to play illegal moves was probably the most canny play shown, because it's the closest someone comes to testing whether the Turk is actually an automaton rather than simply trying to beat it. After all, even if you beat the Turk, as Cochrane did, that only proves you played better than the Turk in that game, not that the Turk is fraudulent.

@blantant

Ай бұрын

Ai is as disappointing then as it is now. Nothing new

Here's a funny coincidence: John Cochrane, the guy who keeps pushing his pawns in an ultra-classical way, actually unintentionally foreshadowed the whole hypermodern thing. He lived in India and played a bunch of games with Indian players who didn't necessarily believe in occupying the centre with pawns. His games with a guy named Moheschunder Bannerjee are some of the first recorded games that feature hypermodern play, including the first ever recorded Grunfeld Defense (obviously long before it was called that).

@leonidtimofeev1178

9 ай бұрын

Well, that's why 1. d4 Nf6 systems are called *Indian* Defense Also, very first recorded Caro-Cann was also played in one of Cochrane's indian games.

Fun fact: Because of this "robot", in the German language the expression "something is turked (getürkt)" still exists today for something that is faked.

@muctebanesiri

Ай бұрын

Interesting

@Valxx23

24 күн бұрын

Are you sure its just because of that?

@258thHiGuy

16 күн бұрын

Germans will really go “get turkt bro”

Fun fact: the opening 1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 is called the Napoleon Attack.

@derkommissar4986

Жыл бұрын

Now we can see why 😅

@KetamineUser69

Жыл бұрын

Let me guess: if u defend, it's the fall on Waterloo?

@jefflittle8913

Жыл бұрын

Best met with the Russian defense.

@KetamineUser69

Жыл бұрын

@@jefflittle8913 wait I thought it's either Russian game or petrovs defense

@ugandaknuckles5570

Жыл бұрын

​@@KetamineUser69yeah

levy is slowly on his transformation into a chess newsletter rather than a chess player.

@Dark-do8my

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@zuxwzm4461

Жыл бұрын

Here Before This Blows Up

@Tanqr2.0.

Жыл бұрын

@@zuxwzm4461bruh

@m-a-s-e-y

Жыл бұрын

Here before this gets ramous

@sokotroko5488

Жыл бұрын

Here before the pin of shame

"fake human" >looks inside >real human

No AI will ever top the beautiful games we get to enjoy in GTE

@neevee_gd

Жыл бұрын

yea lol

@themelonoffee3369

Жыл бұрын

Especially the ones that make it to how to lose at chess

@tiletapper4ever

Жыл бұрын

​@@themelonoffee3369 reaching gte is like NM, becoming the best of gte is IM and taking place in how to lose playlist is GM.

@Will_Cello

Жыл бұрын

What is gte

@neevee_gd

Жыл бұрын

@@Will_Cello guess the elo a serie that is what the name says

Well, technically, the Turk wasn't cheating... it was just lying about the wizard behind the "curtain."

@DM_Curtis

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's not like the man in the box had an even smaller chess computer with him...

@elitistllama4992

Ай бұрын

That's what i was thinking, he even corrected real cheating like Napoleon's one lol

DougDoug predicted the future of Gotham videos by having an entire video where Napoleon Bonaparte could cheat

@swagmanjay.

Жыл бұрын

was looking for this comment aha

@RogerLackman

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Lol

I love how Levy just casually roasts Napolean lmao

It has been scientifically proven that Levy is also an AI.

@BadWithie

Жыл бұрын

True

@muffntheB

Жыл бұрын

abrasive + immature ?

@alem358

Жыл бұрын

an ai coded to simp magnus

@joe-myc

Жыл бұрын

@@alem358 lmao his tone on magnus is so casual while magnus might never heard of him

@dunmeroverlord

Жыл бұрын

​@@joe-mycmagnus knows who he is

Fun fact: in german exists the word "getürkt" to describe things that should be fair (like a dice) but actually are disadvantageous towards you (like a dice with a tendency for one side). It is believed the word originates from the turk, but also other theories exist.

@Jemchwastaken

Ай бұрын

Yeah lol and if you pronounce it in english it sounds like "get turked"

The first actual "chess computer" was a purely mechanical device that had a board with just a KR vs K setup, where the mechanism would move the king and the rook to always checkmate the other king. It always made the same mechanical moves in each possible position, but technically speaking it was the kind of first ever genuine "chess computer", even if a completely mechanical one. Of course it took the advent of actual electronic computers before an actual chess computer using all pieces was possible.

The funniest part is a century later the son of the owner confessed that the Turk was just a chess master hidden in a box.

@Lucas-DX

Жыл бұрын

Bro

@KhorneBrzrkr

Ай бұрын

A century later? A century after what? How would his son still be alive a century after... just about anything having to do with that machine?

@rusty9060

Ай бұрын

@@KhorneBrzrkr it changed owners throughout those years, so the son who confessed was indeed the son of the last owner

Imagine being so good at chess you pretend to be a computer.

@bobbynygaardchrisitansen6874

Жыл бұрын

Magnus and Hikaru is two of the few that could do it today. In 1809 I guess even a 1500 could pretend to be a computer.

1800s: Checking the "AI's Box" for a human 2020s: Checking the Human prison pocket for an AI

Levy's initial struggle with poetry: "There is a fork, but it doesn't quite work."

What confuses me is that the bot was damned near undefeated against people who were presumably good players. You would think that a regular old guy just playing chess would lose occasionally, no matter how strong they are. It's not like Paul Morphy was in the box... I think.

@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905

Жыл бұрын

Paul Morphy is almost 100 years miss, he was a teen when The Turk was destroyed. The best player of that time was François-André Philidor and he actually played against The Turk in Paris and won. But people who operated it still all were well known top-tier players. Authors of early chess books, innovators, chess tutors and such. Among the best of its time.

@MistaOppritunity

Жыл бұрын

@@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905 ok well I double think that Paul Morphy wasn't in the box now.

@nobody7817

11 ай бұрын

I think that people were a bit curious about trying to figure out the mechanics of the device, prove it was fraud, or whatever, and they were off of their game just from the start.

@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905

11 ай бұрын

@@nobody7817 It certainly was a factor too. But as I said both The Turk owners were very serious about this unbeatable AI narrative and only approached best of the best with this business proposition.

@striker8961

11 ай бұрын

I think the situation probably unsettled players and got them off their game.

"This is the dumbest AI I've ever seen in my life." And Martin took the personally.

plot twist: every AI is actually a human in a box

@rickardedman8836

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but who's sitting in the stockfish box trolling everyone?

@sixproleague6307

Жыл бұрын

@@rickardedman8836Magnus, obviously 😅

@chessguy047

Жыл бұрын

@@rickardedman8836 Magnus Carlsen

@doomslayerclout

Жыл бұрын

​@@sixproleague6307before magnus, it was Bobby Fischer

@lukew6725

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist: Every human is actually an AI in a box.

Levy knew *exactly* what he was doing by finding a game with an AI and Napoleon Bonaparte. Well played. EDIT: THIS NAPOLEON CHEATED TOO?!?!?

@PueSaness

Жыл бұрын

Tbh it makes sense to cheat if you think about how it was supposedly an automaton. By trying to play illegal moves, you're testing how much the automaton "knows" and what it can do. Napoleon wasn't a good chess player, but trying to play illegal moves was probably the best play of any of the players shown in the video in the grand scheme of things, because it's the closest anybody in the video comes to testing whether the Turk is actually an automaton rather than simply trying to beat it.

@fckoln-tr3rr

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, this game never happened. Its a legend.

Hey Levy so glad to see these chess history videos again! They're my favorite videos of yours to rewatch, and I look forward to more.

These histrocial chess videos are some of my favorite of the whole channel. Would love a series of interesting/intense/funny chess matches or incidents

Napoleon when lost from the turk: "Theres nothing we can do".

2:25 holy shit thats why its called the Napoleon attack.

Even Napoleon can’t escape Levy’s critique

Fun fact: First ever created machine was a robot to assist in ablution made by Cezeri which is kind of a Turk (his story is complicated) he made that machine look like a human (which I think that is a robot instead of a machine) in 1206 but historians don’t think its a robot because its not working with electricity but literally water.

@D0BR0VECE

Жыл бұрын

Non electrical robots are called automatons. The Turk is one of the most famous examples.

@ahmed.abdelaleem

Жыл бұрын

ironically, creating objects in the shape of a living creature is haram in islam, thats why drawing and carving is mostly forbidden(unless u draw ir carve a non living thing like a head) which is absolute bs

@soldierboi946

Жыл бұрын

@@ahmed.abdelaleem Well you can search about Cezeri my friend. Also you should learn more about islam. Carving and drawing are not forbidden if you aren’t gonna pray them.

@pomonoli

Жыл бұрын

@@ahmed.abdelaleem What about pictures?

@TONAL03

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: The word robot was not existed at that time. It was first used to denote a fictional humanoid in 1920 by Czech painter and writer Josef Čapek.

The secret of the Mechanical Turk was kept for over 50 years the machine was an elaborate illusion, and contained an ingeniously hidden compartment that housed a human operator. This hidden chess master could observe the position on the chessboard above, and manipulate the movements of the Turk.

@jacobnunya808

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking there was no way the robot was actually playing

@rand504

Жыл бұрын

Whoa spoilers I haven’t finished the video yet 😢

@fresshwater

Жыл бұрын

thats what he said in the video

@asuri8751

Жыл бұрын

usually people watch then comment xD@@rand504

@jenm1

Жыл бұрын

Is this comment ai generated?

I really like this kind of historical video, maybe you could do it for the world champs of the past or even guys like: Philodor, Andersenn, Steiniz, Lasker... It would be very entertaining I think

Stockfish evaluations are just Magnus watching all of our games simultaneously and providing the odds.

i'm french and i like the way levy pronounces french words, he puts way more effort than most english speakers and it is often a very accurate pronunciation

@Blopi_bloop

Жыл бұрын

Ptdr oui

@user-gk7yh5lk3c

Ай бұрын

damn i really thought that was a baguette on that dogs head after reading im french

I think what’s also amazing is that whoever was inside that machine was on the level of the best Chess Players of that era. And had a consistent win streak. Who the heck was that guy playing those games?

@coryfice1881

5 күн бұрын

It would of been multiple people of equal skill.

I am technically better than Napoleon when playing chess.

Just the mechanical systems that enabled the human to control the turk such that it could move pieces is already very impressive for 1770!

Now I see why Qf3 is called Napolean Attack.....

Fun fact: Wolfgang von Kempelen was actually born in historical Hungary and was thus Hungarian, and we know him as Kempelen Farkas (the Hungarian equivalent of his name) and we have a school named after him, he has a well known name here. He also was the inventor of several other machines, I recommend reading his wikipedia article, he was a cool guy!

Todays stare was kind of scared perhaps this is a lore mention that Gotham is still kidnapped? This is very interesting 10/10

@YourAverageAmerican345

Жыл бұрын

Hi

@zuxwzm4461

Жыл бұрын

Here Before This Blows Up

@mooik1_88

Жыл бұрын

he is posing in an exact replica of his apartment

@vanancio

Жыл бұрын

Very intriguing, the ARG gets more vast with every upload.

@m-a-s-e-y

Жыл бұрын

Here before this gets ramous

Props to Napoleon for playing the Napoleon attack opening

In those days one cheated in chess by claiming it was a machine playing when it is actually a human. Nowadays one cheats in chess by claiming it is a human playing when it is actually a machine.

After watching dougdoug seeing a game napolean actually played and HE ACTUALLY TRIED TO CHEAT is crazy

Now it’s turned into a actual chess bot

after successfully recreating almost if not all blunders from gotham's GTE in my own games I've decided imma save up and buy this man's course because my IQ is lowering with every game atm.

As an AI language model, i can confirm that ur activities will be successfully monitored by us in the future

We've considered certain devices vibrating inside of various orifices to relay moves to players, but maybe Hans Niemann just has a stronger chess player up his butt.

fun fact: Napoleon Bonaparte is the one who literally CREATED scholars mate in chess, in arabic his name is the name of that strategy named "Napoleon's chess plan" in literal translation!!!

@disco.newton

Жыл бұрын

This 4-move checkmate was originally named and described in a 1656 text by Francis Beale titled The Royall Game of Chesse-Play

I knew that story.. very fascinating! BTW, Levy, your french is getting better! Your latest trip to paris seemed to pay off! Le Café de la Régence, not easy at all! :D

It's quite funny to see napoleon try the scholar's mate. Here in Egypt the scholar's mate is known among locals as the napoleon. What a coincidence actually

@ahmed.abdelaleem

Жыл бұрын

first thing i thought about lol

@larry1816

Жыл бұрын

That's uh...that's not a coincidence. But I get you.

Lmao Ben Franklin hiding his loss is so on brand

In 4:36 the best move is actually not Qg5 but Nf3+. If white takes the night then there is a mate in 2 with the Queen.

I love these old chess/history videos

It would be nice to do items from time to time about Grandmasters of the past and how they played. From Morphy to Capablanca.

Highly likely Benjamin Franklin threw out that score sheet lmao

the way levy pronounce names is the best thing in the video

Gotham, you should add this to the Chess History Playlist

and the museum sacrificed: the tuuuuurk

Back then, they accused engines of using humans. Today, we accuse humans of using engines. We are not the same

John Cochrane was a strong player of his time, he's credited for the Cochrane defense in the engame Rook vs Rook +bishop

The roasting of Napoleon is the best part of this video 😂

I love your storytelling chess Levy. Keep it up

I suppose why they loved pushing their pawns Into the centre so much in the 1600 / 1700s is because chess represented a battlefield on a board, and the pawns were like foot soldiers on the front lines? So like in a real army (of the day) these will be at the forefront of a battle, it sort of resembles battles formations of strategies games I played based in the 1700s Edit: and so maybe it seemed logical to pre-computer analytic type thinking culture that if these structures work so effectively on the battlefield, then so too they must on the chess board,

The death stares at the beginning of Gotham's videos always send shivers down my spine.

Napoleon attempting a scholarsmate is way too telling

16:28 you don't gotta my boi Augustus bad like that😭

13:50 “This is the dumbest AI I’ve ever seen in my life…” Martin: 😢

@gothamchess this is fantastic, I love these videos that combine chess history with game analysis

To be fair, the guy did more with his life than build this chess contraption :) "Kempelen also created a manually operated speaking machine.[4] An early version (possibly an original) can still be seen in the Musical Instruments section of the Deutsches Museum in Munich. In 1789, he published a book containing his nearly twenty years of speech research, Mechanismus Der Menschlichen Sprache Nebst Beschreibung Seiner Sprechenden Maschine.[5] He constructed steam-engines, waterpumps, a pontoon bridge in Pressburg (1770), patented a steam turbine for mills (1788/89) and a typewriter for Mozart's friend a blind Viennese pianist Maria Theresia von Paradis (1779), and built a theatre house in Buda (inaugurated 25 October 1790) (now Budapest) and the famous fountains at Schönbrunn in Vienna (1780). He was also a talented artist and etcher, wrote poems and epigrams, and composed a singspiel, Andromeda and Perseus, performed in Vienna." (Wikipedia) So he's quite similar to you Levy 😅mainly known for your entertaining chess content but also a talented singer and music producer. 😂 We're excited to find out what you'll add next to your legacy. 😉

Gotham looks like saying an essay while talking about AI

My favorite videos of Gotham are the historical ones

Fascinating - I like these kind of historical chess videos. Thanks @GothamChess!

Thats how chatgpt works nowadays. An elf sitting in a box

As a man from 1800 I can confirm tuck was a hit

the turk was actually hiding a person like a master in the contraption

A big hand of applause for our new history teacher

Right from the beginning I was like, that's a chess playing little person. Just like R2D2 in the original trilogy, the best way to make a robot is to stuff a person inside.🤣

There was only one thing missing after building that ingenius contraption; the human factor 😆

Read a novel centered around the Turk ages ago. Never knew how much of it was accurate.

Imagine future chess players (hundreds of years in the future) saying “back then they didn’t really know how to play chess back then”

Fun fact: Napoleon's second move is called the Napoleon attack

Legend says the man operating the machine was the unknown Spanish grandmaster "Magnificent Carlitos"

Those eyes are looking straight at your blunders.

The crazy thing is that for 80 years the guy never coughed or had an accidental sneezing lol

Only og's remember the time Levy said he will make a video about the mechanical turk on the Gotham Games Channel

@notyourdad

Жыл бұрын

Yes because that channel is really OG.

It's all fun and games until the grandmaster sneezes

12:52 "this is the dumbest ai i've seen in my life. Martin : Hold my beer!

Atleast it left people raging

The guy sitting in the box must be a strong player then

Imagine people insulting magnus and stock fish in 2223

11:42 "sounds silician lol"

The Turk would also do a blind knight's tour from a random starting square, which is pretty cool.

We beating stockfish with this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🥶🥶🥶

Faraday's electromagnetic induction was from 1831 (generators and motors both depend on this). Static electricity and batteries existed before this but had not a lot of uses.

I really like these chess history videos even if the views are a bit lower. Keep em coming 🙏

Gotham talking about how electricity was invented in 1830s Thunderstorms before 1830s:

One primal space video, just one, and now my entire feed is just “The 100 year Chess Scam”!

The Fact that Napoleon is the greatest general to have ever lived doesn't seem to phase Levy

I can't wait for someone to sneak a Benjamin Franklin game into Guess the Elo

“AI stands for Artificial Intelligence” “nah, AI stands for Allen Iverson, no question asked”

Amazon has its own Mechanical Turk now