I'm genuinely baffled why they made Aegon enjoy child gladiator matches. It just makes him feel artificially evil.

@josephbulkin9222

Ай бұрын

you believe Erryk Cargyll? He's Rhaenyra's man and he's been so for years.

@blackeyedlily

Ай бұрын

That is directly from the book Fire and Blood. And while you can consider the idea that this is a history book written from the viewpoint of a number of characters, it is also primarily authored by a Maester, who was more politically aligned with the Hightowers.

@dlwalker669

Ай бұрын

@@blackeyedlily it a rumor by mushroom who’s at dragon stone with rhaenyra that even the maester doesn’t believe

@josephbulkin9222

Ай бұрын

@@blackeyedlily oh, really. This same "hightower biased maester" goes on to speak of how Aeogn's tyranny left to his final defeat. if anything, Gyldayn was biased towards telling a good story, judging by his many tangents.

@blackeyedlily

Ай бұрын

@@josephbulkin9222 I’m only sharing what I heard Ryan Condal say in one of his interviews. In fact, that was the first time that I had heard that. But with the Hightowers relationship to the Citadel it makes sense. Personally, I’m not a fan of either side. I’m Team Small-folk, those who suffered the most in all these wars.

For some reason, I thought the moment where cheese said “she’s not lying” was extremely moving. Something about this “murdering rat catcher” having the depth and multi-layered nature to tell that she wasn’t lying , it made it very heavy

@mysteryjunkie9808

Ай бұрын

It’s like they shared a moment

@fantasyhaven1

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I appreciated that moment a lot actually

@xSavedSoulx

Ай бұрын

I wondered if, in that moment, he might have felt a twinge of regret.

The only positive change about B&C, is Helenae's reaction. As a father of two on-spectrum children (a son and a daughter), Phia absolutely nailed how nuerodivergent people react to a crisis, or a threat. 1. They rarely lie. The seriousness of the situation is understood, so there's no attempt to manipulate, just the facts. 2. They have no reaction to the "illicit" behaviour of others, especially when they are overstimulated. 3. On-Spectrum people can draw reasonable conclusions, and the conclusion made was that one of her children was going to die. I.e. the "Sophie's Choice" angle would not have been consistent with her autistic-coded character. She tried the necklace, and it failed. That's about as "devious" as an autistic person could get, especially under intense pressure. The lack of visible emotions is also consistent. Phia is becoming one of my favorite actresses in the series, as she has definitely studied up on nuerodivergence and the related (common) behaviors.

@bethfinne3260

Ай бұрын

While I agree with this, plenty of non neurodivergent people freeze when confronted with trauma, death, violence, etc. I am one of them. My ptsd takes over, and I freeze. The first time I froze was at age 8. When I'm terrified, many times I can't move or speak.

@notkaty

Ай бұрын

​@@bethfinne3260while I agree with this plenty of neuro divergent people freeze when confronted with trauma, death, violence etc

@robertcampbell3019

Ай бұрын

​@@bethfinne3260 ah but ptsd isnt neurotypical

@bethfinne3260

Ай бұрын

@robertcampbell3019 I don't understand. I'm 55 and have never been told I'm anything except "normal".

@bethfinne3260

Ай бұрын

?? I mean this nicely. What's wrong?

I didn't even notice Rhenyara only had one line till u mentioned it. Major props to Emma D'arcy for portraying a thousand words with just her expressions.

@petergianakopoulos4926

Ай бұрын

True that

@Morfe02

Ай бұрын

Good because i feel she looks bad as "leader" and good as a mother in season 1 I can even buy the teen Rhaenyra as a leader because of the acting

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

Rhaenyra’s only line: “I don’t want it.”

@PastLifeVillian

25 күн бұрын

Stop glazing, she didnt do anything crazy lmao

I love when haven gives me a quickie!

At the end of the episode when poor Helaena walks in on Alicent and Criston-in Rhaeneyra’s old room, since Helaena has moved into Alicent’s old room-they’re definitely both picturing Rhaeneyra 😂

I'm surprised you didn't mention your incredible accidental cane/staff pun from the stream

Emma D'arcy and Tom Glynn Carney the MVPs of the show obviously. Glad they improved on Aegon instead of making him more evil. About the third child of Aegon and Haelaena there's been a lot of detail catching going on around about three cribs and dragon eggs so Haelaena is likely pregnant right now with Maelor which is interesting. How that will merge with her own trauma and question of heirs. But it's just speculation. Ryan Condal did say that Maelor does not YET exist.

@iainanderson7276

25 күн бұрын

I could be wrong because i havent checked, but im pretty sure otto mentioned maelor towards the end of the episode, hes in oldtown i believe

@fayedunaway8

25 күн бұрын

@@iainanderson7276 he mentions Daeron, Alicent's third son

Why was there no laugh track for Heleana walking in on Alicent and Criston?

@Morfe02

Ай бұрын

Second laugh with Alicent fcking again I laugh at that and Heleana

I heard a theory that she's pregnant - we see 3 cribs in the nursery ( 2 for the twins and one is next to the door. You can see it behind her in the scene where Aegon searching for Jaehaerys) and that's why she didn't offer herself.

@alisonfecteau2315

Ай бұрын

Soooooo.... everyone is just rewriting the book?? Already butchered the Blood and Cheese part. Didn't even address the 3rd child. A son that she pointed at to die, hoping he was too young to understand. Blood cut the head off the other/elder son instead. Way better to understand her grief beyond just losing a child. That the child spared knows she chose him to die. One of the reasons she jumps without a parachute from her room/prison. Guilt

@TheGreyFox115

Ай бұрын

@@alisonfecteau2315 considering most of the book uses unreliable narrators, i was not to bothered by it THB feels the actual events went down far differently then how the maester and mushroom tell it, mushroom was shitposter so i genuinely doubt just about everything he says and the maester himself mentions through the story how a lot of details are off or just make no sense…

No Maelor is upsetting, as is no Jeyne Arryn and Cregan/Jace Bromance. But overall the episode wasn’t bad. I’m just upset because I know how much better it could have been.

@robinnussbaumer5943

Ай бұрын

We will see Jeyne Arryn in an upcoming Episode there was a still of her

@treymoss6511

Ай бұрын

Justice for Jeyne

@Aaron_Guest

Ай бұрын

The episode was mid.

@asura7915

Ай бұрын

we will see more Jeyne Arryn later this season

@Morfe02

Ай бұрын

Bro IS episode 1 they introduce the 2 sides now they are making moves Im very sure we see Rhaenys Death and the invasión of Kingslanding

Wooooo Lord Haven, I like how Aegon is trying to be a good leader and Rhaenyra's reaction. But I wish for more from Blood and Cheese.

@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096

Ай бұрын

I know they messed it up

@aegorbittersteel2154

Ай бұрын

@@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 unfortunately your grace.

@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096

Ай бұрын

@@aegorbittersteel2154 yeah 😔

@sanshuri

Ай бұрын

I knowww i know of their fates in the books but i sincerely hope they make it out of there alive and we see more of them. Would be great to have them as the black's personal assasins lol At least blood I dont see Cheese sticking in any way to loyalty

@williamgunderson7365

Ай бұрын

@@aegorbittersteel2154why are you calling him “your grace” when Daemon Blackfyre is a descendant of Rhaenyra??? 😅 I’m a stickler for loyalties I know.

Remember, when Aegon was looking for Jaehaerys, Helaena responded "perhaps he doesn't want to be king" She most likely had foreseen the death of her son and gave up when the moment came anyway.

i think helaena offering her necklace shows her not realizing/in disbelief about what's happening. she's hoping that these are just burglars who will be happy with some expensive jewelry

The fact that blood and cheese reminded the surviving child that "remember, she chose you" could have been an awesome line on the show, too.

I believe in one of the interviews jaces actor says that they shot that first scene in one day, after which both of the actors went on vacation together to spain and truly bro'd out, and implied they will have more scenes together in the future?? (thats what I gathered from it atleast)

Lol dude, Scorpions are literally dornish from the time of Aegon's conquest.

With the necklace thing Ig she was probably taught a way to barter with any situation like this with “hey I got money lemme buy u out” so when they were like nah she’s like 🫥

@sanshuri

Ай бұрын

I think she just looked them up and down (follow her eyes right before she offers the necklace) and sees their tattered and poor, offers in her mind an immediate reward, but fails to understand or accept how steadfast they were in their goal. She thought they could just be bought but with Blood it was clear he was in it to hurt the Greens more than the money.

The killing scene is a weird nod to the source material, really. If I were the assassin and I didn't believe the mother, I wouldn't debate with my accomplice on whether she's truthful because I have a knife that could physically cut open clothes and make sure the sex of the baby. Still, forcing the mother to choose which baby will be killed is a powerful scene.

@Morfe02

Ай бұрын

The choose is fucking Dumb because they are ment to kill the boy anyways at least the book IS meaningful on the fact she choose the little one and that changes her mentally

Daemond trying to get one of Alicent's sons makes way more sense than deleting one of Aegon II's kids. Alicent is the person Rhaenerya has the original beef with. I really didnt want to see Blood and Cheese to be as bad as the books. I was in Iraq and if I never see a dead child again, I will be just fine. Some people do not scream in stressful situations. They will just freeze up. Some people will be shot and not say a word. Most people do not react the way television has conditioned us to believe they will act.

I hate Alicole. It literally turns Alicent Hightower and Criston Cole into Bethany Bracken and Terrence Toyne. Or worse, Cersei Lannister and Osmund Kettleblack.

@Aaron_Guest

Ай бұрын

I don't have a problem with them getting together, I have a problem with WHEN they get together. It doesn't make sense for them to be doing it so soon without any more buildup. Not to mention, with them being during B/C, it completely turns people against them. No one wanted that, especially when the book version is so superior to it.

@manvirshergill1739

Ай бұрын

it's understandable why Alicent is doing Criston, look at how her life has been since she was a teen, forced to marry a much older man, forced to make heirs while doing her duty, making sacrifices... but now becuase she's slowly losing her power over Aegon, she's latching on to Cole for control but at the same time fulfilling her needs and certain desires that she never fulfilled unlike Rhaenrya but again it makes her feel shameful, and sinful... yes she is being hypocritical but she's definitely not without her own complexities. I actually prefer Show Alicent to book Alicent just because of the route they are going with the character and the fact that Olivia Cooke's performance is so good to watch.

@josephbulkin9222

Ай бұрын

@@Aaron_Guest I have very much a problem with it. Condal and Dumb and Dumber before this has this aversion to people actually sticking to their principles. They always thought honor was for chumps. God forbid a woman actually have decency.

@josephbulkin9222

Ай бұрын

@@manvirshergill1739 suffering? that's an interesting way to say she was made Queen of the Seven Kingdoms

@manvirshergill1739

Ай бұрын

@@josephbulkin9222 when did I say suffering?

Let’s go, I’ll take as many Haven quickies as I can get

i thought overall the episode was decent , and all the things the reviewers said was true aegon really is stealing the show so far

Only the Late Lord Haven would call a 14 minute video "a quickie" /JK 😆

Been around the channel some the original HOTD reviews, glad to see you doing them this season.

To me, after the first mild disappointment of expecting B&C to go down differently, I actually thought it was well done on its own right. The second boy doesn't exist and, in this dialogue, Helaena has already heard them say "a son for a son he said, does she look like a son to you?". So I don't think her offering herself would sound natural in this context and in fact it would sound like forced dialogue. The valuable necklace in her mind could be a way to deter them as she can probably figure out they are paid assassins, so she's offering to pay them to not kill her child with the necklace.

What did you think of this episode? What did you think of Mr Bludden Chease? Patreon: www.patreon.com/FantasyHaven Merch: fantasyhavenmerch.com/en-gbp/

@bethfinne3260

Ай бұрын

Some minor criticisms, otherwise loved it!

@Aaron_Guest

Ай бұрын

It was mid. Best part of it was Aegon though.

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

Hope they don’t screw it up like GoT

I wish they would do the theme like how Outlander does it and each "season" (aka spinoff) has a slight difference that shows that it is specifically designed for that season (spinoff) 0:35

This is such a good and level headed review of the episode. Really refreshing after some of the extreme reactions I’ve seen.

I totally agree with you about Jace and his journey, talk about a quickie.

You're right about Aegon! I wish they would have made him more like this in season 1. Dude you pretty much killed it on this video really. I damn near agree with everything you say in this.

I wanted to see more of the North and loved that they started with that voice over from Cregan in that GREAT Northern accent, along with that old GOT music that we got with Stark scenes.

I liked how weirdly smart blood and cheese were like blood was pretty clever thinking she wasn't pointing at the right one (he was wrong of course but still) and i liked how cheese was able to read her face like a book and realize she was speaking true

I liked the way they did Blood and Cheese. Haelena's reaction actually made a lot of sense to me, considering _everything_ going on in the story. I really liked Gray Area's video analyzing the scribbles on Haelena's walls, and how full of prophetic mumbojumbo must be going on in her head at all times. If Gray was even _remotely_ close kn her analysis, then it makes Haelena's reaction make SOOO much more sense (i already thought it made sense, but i digress). Shock is a wild thing, and as someone who's neurodivergent (I'm not in the autism spectrum myself, but am friends with and have dated quite a few people who are), I thought her reaction made perfect sense, and I've reacted to and witnessed others react to traumatic (not this traumatic) situations in very similar manners. Ive seen a lot of people complaining that at the end she says "they killed the boy" or whatever, as if that reduces Jaehaerys to simply a male heir instead of a child that she loves, but we already know for sure that Haelena says shes scared of the rats, so i think back to Gray Area's video and wonder if Haelena had a vision (or several different visions with different outcomes) where she might've seen and said to someone off screen "which one's the boy? The rats want the boy" or something, which would make the whole situation even more traumatic and scary for her. I hope they do reveal that she said something to that effect in a way, but even if they don't, thats my current head-canon, and im sticking with it.. lol I do also like the implications that getting rid of her second son sets up for cinematic story-telling purposes, because thats outs Aegon in the same position as Viserys was when Rhaenyra was named heir. It makes sense to me

I wanted "The Promise" to be the opening. It's excellent and fitting.

The more I think about it, the more I hate it. Nothing makes sense in blood and cheese. They find Helaena and, knowing she has a son, settle for Jaehaerys rather than Aemond . OK, fine, but from here on it's all downhill. 1. They ask her which one is the boy. This actually ends up taking longer than just checking or killing both of them. It almost made me think of the ending of "Spartacus". 2. The fact that they could just check means Helaena's being here is redundant. The writers have cheese ask her which one is the boy just so she has something to do. 3. Cheese has this weird moment of empathy with Helaena, accepting that she is telling the truth. This is treated as profound for some reason and again, easy way to check. Also this humanity in Cheese doesn't stop him from sawning the head off a child, so the characterisation is just a mess. 4. They let Helaena leave the room while they are still working. 5. Alicent and Cole didn't think to lock the damn door.

I think removing the choice was obvious considering the fact that she has 1 son not two, and what they mentioned about 'double checking' to see if it was actually the heir or not, since the other child was her daughter. However, after seeing the comparions and people hyping up the blood and cheese moment before the season, seeing it happen, then reading the differences in book - I love the scene and it might very well be my favorite in the HotD and the entire GoT franchise. So, I'm not a book reader originally, but I've played roleplaying games with these same archetypical characters for as long as I could reach over a keyboard, and never before have I seen the portrayal of those roles so well done, The filthy assasin almost unable to contain his giddy excitment at the revelation he found his victims, and the dunce blood not even noticing the chidlrens bedchambers when they come in. But just how savage they were, I see a ton of people misread(as i see it) the necklace bit, obviously Haelena looked these two up and down and put together they were poor and paid for this task, but she just doesn't expect them to be this steadfast in their goal. Which we know, because of blood at least, that it wasn't just a money thing "fuck the hightowers" and he meant that. But The autistic coded character and haelana not having a visceral scream or reaction was actually exactly what i expected and I'd almost say neurotypical of her. Did people really think she was just going to hurl out a scream queens yell? When this filthy shit covered assasin was just SMILING and giggling holding a knife up to her and cutting her a bit? She isn't as simpleminded to not put 2 and 2 together that if she speaks louder than her inside voice she would immediatly be killed and so will her two children with no remorse. They didn't do the asking bit because they NEEDED to, they coudlve "bled the whole lot of 'em" to borrow a phrase, and it would've just made their escape a bit more hasty, but overall not been much of a deterrance. The quiet "no"'s" and hesitation is consistent with someone realizing, wait no I can't make a scene - even if help comes they'd just find our cold bodies. Where I think that turns is when she realized she's far enough away to make a scene and scream out for help, but at that point it was moot, her son, the heir, had died. She knew these two would be long gone from the castle in any event. She instead collects herself a bit and takes deep breaths while deciding where to go, finds a safe haven, slinks down and utters - not in response, but in realization "they killed the boy" Masterful, great acting from everyone and to add my personal thoughts, right from the onset of the show I was starting to grow weary with the amount of high class positioned people there were, I don't know if it was daenarys surrounding herself with lowborn people throughout the first 7 seasons that made me crave more action from the lower class players in HotD, who as we know are able to do what the highborns aren't capable of, slinking and sneaking and scheming about and direct with their victims instead of "sending regards" from afar. So when Rhaneyra says " i want aemond" and Daemon is IMMEDATELY on the boat, I was like "wait what this is happening NOW?" and every second after that was perfectly building suspense, showing Aemond in a relatively vulnerable position then cutting to them slinking about.

@sanshuri

Ай бұрын

Also she doesn't offer herself because Cheese is already well disposed to kill her when Blood walks in, and he says the line you mentioned him not saying?? he literally looks at cheese and goes "does she look like a fucking son to you?!" so she knows offering herself wont work.

Just throwing it out there because im thinking of egg from Dunk and Egg, but maybe Alyn shaves his head because its white hair and he is trying to hide it. We saw his brother who had black hair, but he is supposed to be like a teenager 20 something and he is bald.

@Clemfandang0

2 күн бұрын

*swish*

I absolutely Loved the intro. I had chills the whole time - pun intended. But I bear no ill will towards those who didn't.

Im a book reader that was fine with the shows changes for Blood and cheese...

Glidus’s horse theories are iconic 😂😂😂

Ryan explained that b&c could not be as brutal as the books since the children would have been hurt

I always pictured Cheese as looking like a more evil versions of Patches from Dark Souls. So yeah, Cheese should be thin, bald and clean shaven. Blood is supposed to be the hulking brute, far larger than Cheese.

Random nitpic, i understand that Haelena is autistic or autistic coded and thats why she freezes up in that way when her son is killed. But did blood and cheese know that beforehand? when they are doing the killing itself neither of them is grabing Haelena and making sure she stays put and or quiet, what if she just yells and alerts the guards?

@hitskwaad

Ай бұрын

Blood has already been caught once, and they're like 3 stubborn tendons from getting what they were being paid for. I would focus on the task at hand if I were them.

I’m glad you brought up helaenas reaction was due to her obviously being on the Autistic spectrum I saw people complaining about her acting

Which shitposting are you referring to about Lannister shitposting, only thing I can think of is about Tyrek last being seen ahorse (a horse) before vanishing

@fantasyhaven1

13 күн бұрын

Bingo

Aegon and his mates will be the highlight of this season

I'm so confused why people want a new theme song. No song that they come up with will be as iconic. "If it isn't broken, don't fix it"

It's getting pretty contrived that everything is caused by misunderstandings or acidents. Alicent puts Aegon on the throne because she misunderstood Viserys' final words rather than her own motivations, Daemon somehow believes that two idiots have a chance at taking out someone as dangerous as Aemond but they botch the whole thing and take out Jahaerys. At this point Aegon will kill Rhaenyra not with his dragon but by acidently lighting her dress on fire while lighting the candles for her birthday cake.

@unc54

Ай бұрын

We really need to start media literacy courses for this fanbase. If you paid attention to the scene it's very clear he told them alternative if they can't find Aemond is to kill Aegon's son. They wouldn't show Cheese asking for an alternative or Blood saying "A son for a son" if Daemon didn't set them up to it.

@turtleguyfan

Ай бұрын

BLOOD AND CHEESE WASN’T AN ACCIDENT!!! Media Literacy is in the absolute gutter right now. Daemon tells them that Aemond is the target and then subtly lets them know that he’s a really good fighter. Cheese asks what they should do if they don’t find him and Daemon gives him a look and then it cuts. It’s like they need to hold people’s hands now for them to understand. Do you really think Blood and Cheese accidentally went to the royal section of the castle and accidentally beheaded Aegon’s heir? Did the knife slip?? No! They obviously went down a list, Aemond, probably Aegon and then Jaehaerys. Blood even mentions Daemon telling them “A Son for a Son”.

@masterplokoon8803

Ай бұрын

@@unc54 Anyone who points put basic mistakes is iliterate aparently. If the primary target was Aemond no way would Daemon (who is suposedly somewhat smart) would entrust those two fools to do it. If they actually managed to find him they would more likely just get themselves killed and the whole plan would be ruined. And a ratcatcher would realistically reject an offer to target such a dangerous person as Aemond. Aemond is just too dificult of a target. Why not have Daemon target more vulnerable people from the beggining? And wouldn't they need to properly planned? In the books they targeted the most vulnerable place in the keep and the most vulnerable people and it was still planned ahead. Here Daemon just sends two people to wander into the keep to try to find and kill a dangerous warrior without planning.

@unc54

Ай бұрын

​@@masterplokoon8803 Well I said that because you said it was a misunderstanding. Also, don't read up on Aemon the Dragonknight if you think that being a great warrior somehow makes you immune to getting jumped in the ASOIAF world. You're somehow overlooking that they were given a choice. If they found Aemond and decided he was too much of a risk, they could have pivoted to Jaeherys anyway.

@masterplokoon8803

Ай бұрын

@@unc54 Aemon the Dragonknight's atackers at least planned their atack, they didn't randomly send two dudes one of whom is a ratcatcher to try to take him out.

Lord Lyman Beesbury would be turning in his grave at a move such as appointing his own murderer as hand. The Bees will not be happy about this.

0:52 no! I will not accept this is the theme for everything ASOIAF! It's an amazing theme, but every show should have its own main theme

@Morfe02

Ай бұрын

Yeah they could make a theme like Valyria but no is GOT again 😂

i love this ep

B & C WAS brutal enough, my only issue with the scene was the way didn’t make her choose between sons and then kill the one she didn’t choose like the book

5:01 The Dornish used Scorpions to kill Rhaenys and Meraxes in Dorne during the Conquering

i think they'll solve the succession crisis by having one of aegon's bastards become "maelor" and pretend he was a legit son the entire time

I like that it ends with her interrupting alicent and cole, it explains why there weren't any guards around, and helps the viewer connect the guilt that they will carry throughout the rrst of the story. Also makes their lapse more heinous

didnt know it came out fire

Agree completely on the Blood and Cheese issue... Its the choice that makes it hit so hard...i dont understand the creative choices here

While all the actors in the main cast do a great job, but especially the Green children, particularly Phia Saban. For as little screen as she's had up until now, she's done very well playing what very much feels like an autistic character (I am autistic myself, I don't say it lightly). I saw a flame war in this comment section about how *_"unrealistic"_* Heleaena's reaction at the end was if she was autistic, but no, the entire time I saw her in the first two episodes reminds me of a dear friend who is on the spectrum, who has been through some terrible shit recently and has reacted to it in much the same way. Excellent work from Phia, she's clearly done her research and I commend her for it, wish more actors did for characters on the spectrum.

Was the "great northern accent" sarcastic? I really like the actor but as a northern british person (of which the accent is based), it seemed crap!

i just wanna know if the dog is okay!!!!

3:33 Where do the Night's Watch fall in this? People in mourning?

I think Cheese not believing her but Blood believing her has to do with her being able to tell the future & no1 believing her but the only person who finally believes her being Blood just adds so much to the scene

I like Cordys's Wig last season it was more fully!!!! By the way during the war with Dorne a shot send down a dragon.

I still wish they would at least remix or use a new arrangement of the original got theme.

Qyburn didnt invent scorpions. They’ve been around since Aegon the Conqueror’s time, the dornish used them to kill Meraxes and Queen Rhaenys

You would LOVE mauler and Nerdrotic. They talk about HOTD after every episode and talk on efap at times. You’d be a great guest!

@fantasyhaven1

13 күн бұрын

Yeah I watch their episode discussions! I love Mauler he's great

@lordoz2578

13 күн бұрын

@@fantasyhaven1 hit him or Nerdrotic up. I’m sure they’d love to have you on their streams!

I crave a Daeron mention.

We have to remember that the rating is comparing HOTD and GOT episodes, as well as the book. A 7/10 is great in that regard, but the episode deserves way more praise if we compare it to other mainstream shows

i'm anti Cheese beard if for no other reason that sometimes i struggled to tell who was who in close-up

The drawing stones for 10 stark members is a little confusing to me… Are we talking, 10 Stark loyalists/men at arms? Or are we talking 10 bonafide Stark males? Cuz if its the latter…and they do this every single year…i mean in a decade, youd have 10 adult male starks at the wall. That seems like a sizable chunk of the family

@dragonfan8647

Ай бұрын

They do it every winter. And remember, seasons work differently in Westeros

I wonder if they parred down the scene/scenes in the north because they actors lack of chemistry?

This video is the truth. 💯

They can't really course correct for Aegon after literal rape tho 😭

I disagree, Cheese with his beard was great. The swaggerly eating of apple and the grin melting from his face was good with big chin beard

Yo much as I love your ASOIAF content but I don’t know if I should feel guilty or not that I come for ASOIAF but I can’t wait to hear your sarcasm 😅😂😂😂

didnt scorpions kill rhaenys during the conquest how would it be an invention of the future?

@michaelbuick6995

Ай бұрын

As of the time Danaerys reaches Westeros dragons have been extinct for almost 200 years. Remember Westeros doesn't have Google they can't look stuff up. The small folk probably couldn't name a Targaryen king from 100 years ago. Scorpions could easily be long lost knowledge in some old book somewhere by the time Dany shows up.

@javierp894

Ай бұрын

@@michaelbuick6995like majority of the small folk were alive durring the mad king? it was only 15 years before and they mention the past royal families alot in the books the characters want to be like aemon the dragonknight or cersei saying every targeryan is a 50/50 she knew the history and how the targaryens are crazy the history of the targaryens are still very fresh and rhaenys is one of the most famous of them being one of the conquerors

@michaelbuick6995

Ай бұрын

@javierp894 Most of the characters are high lords with a private education they would be tutored on the history of houses and lineages etc. Most people wouldn't have access to that kind of education.

@javierp894

Ай бұрын

@@michaelbuick6995and who do you think commissioned the scorpions? the high lords also thats in the future hotd takes place like 3 ish generations after the conquest very close to rhaenys death theres no way a weapon that powerful would just be forgotten within like 130 years especially if dragons are still alive. And im talking about him calling the scorpions a future invention when they have been in the history since the conquest

I think Jace and Cregan scene was clunky, but I understood that as two young nobles trying to have a deep serious conversation but both finding it bit difficult to play their part in the negotiation.

@unc54

Ай бұрын

I feel the dialogue was too bookish for two teenagers. It doesn't always translate the best to screen and generally works best with older characters.

@svenskhund3603

Ай бұрын

​@@unc54 I think that's it. They were speaking to eachother as if they have been ruling their houses for decades. A more juvenile approach to the conversation would be permissible here. Cregan and Jace bonding through the shared hardship of having important duties while essentially still growing boys would be very serviceable to building the bond they are meant to have, instead of them acting like two maesters debating history at the citadel.

@Morfe02

Ай бұрын

Yeah maybe they should Talk about duty as how Stark is prepare and Jace not Something to relate because they vomit exposition not only about the War, but the Wall prophecy and the time Jahaerys dragon never cross the wall lol

@masterplokoon8803

Ай бұрын

​@@unc54 well, Cregan is a young lord speaking to a prince and Jace is trying to gain his suport so it's understandable that they would try to keep some formality to not sound disrespectfull in an awkward way.

Alyn Oakenfist let's goooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

i liked the beard

Idk if it's my TV, or hbo, maybe it is, but it seemed to me this show does this thing where it has the characters in focus Very in focus, but anything in the background is insanely blurry. Like a photo auto adjusting to a human face. I do not love it

Is anyone else slightly disappointed Cregan didn't have a beard?

@saxonkush2376

Ай бұрын

I mean they wanted him as the same age as jace

@masterplokoon8803

Ай бұрын

Nah, it's fine.

tyland lannister is... a horse?

HOTD at its worst is friggen Shakespeare compared to anything Disney.

Zoolander goes to the North. #bluesteel - also, i hate when the writing makes it obvious they think the audience is dumb or cant read subtext. Like, there is no logical reason Larys should've told Alicent abt replacing her servants with his own agents. What purpose would her knowing that serve? Shed just be forced to sit there and not ever say anything, unless he just wants her to feel trapped ig? Or was that just a set up for later w the maid seeing Blood and Cheese? -also, also, Hightussy is good but I'm sure in Oldtown they call it Hopping the Tower

5:01 Qyburn didn’t invent the scorpion? Meraxes was killed by a scorpion in the 1st Dornish war long long before Qyburn. If you’re going to be critical of something at least know what you’re being critical of.

The beard is awesome. You are so wrong!

2:27 I thought the lack of flow with their dialog was cute. They are both young so not practiced at these exchanges. If they had been all perfect at it, they both would have come across as Chad's

Good takes

Yeah let's have 2-3 year old child actors in a dark set, knifes on their necks and tell one of them their mom wants them dead, they'll totally understand that it's just fake and make believe. Also have stunt doubles for a 3yo for the chopping scene??? a cheap mannequin?? HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU PEOPLE THINK THEY WERE GOING TO FILM THIS?? Bottom line they did their best IMHO.

My opinion means nothing but I was disappointed.

Alicent and the Cole relationship Is ridiculous and not needed.. in episode 2 they clearly managed to add all the guards and maids in dragon stone when Arryk tries to kill Rhaenyra.. Meagor holdfast seems to be deserted no guards no maids no one but Healena and her children any one can break in to kill anyone. Blood and cheese should have killed the guards and and hid from the maids other staff.. and Cole and Alicent doing it really indirectly we cut the moment

A lot was lost in the cruelty of what Helana goes through with Sophie’s choice aspect removed. & Alicent not being there was a very off decision. Helana’s actress did great with the material but frankly the scene is just nowhere near as compelling in books. As a neurodivergent person myself I appreciate deeply the actress’s performance but still not a fan of her being magical with autism traits cause it feels very rain man but for fantasy stories. It’s just not exactly what I’d like in representation.

if you’re critical with this, then you should see the acolyte

Cant watch because of spoilers but you still get my Support

For 2 bumbling amateur mercenaries with impersonal motivations and a tangible target to escape with, the bonus sadism of playing mind games with Helaena would waste time they already don't have and gain them nothing they have any reason to care about more than getting out alive with what they can only hope is enough to get paid.

I want to say controversy like you

This beard slander must END! *unsubscribes immediately

I'm with you on how let down I was by the Blood & Cheese stuff. It was so much scarier in the books, especially the line "did you hear that little boy? Your mom wants you dead" before lopping off the other kid's head. That's why Helena went fully mad. The grief that the surviving child knew the mother picked him to die. I hate how this played out. It was the least interesting possible way of doing it.

@hitskwaad

Ай бұрын

Why would these 2 random guys, who don't know each other and with little-to-no personal motivation for their task, waste borrowed time in hostile territory playing mind games that won't help them escape or earn them any more money? The depravity of beheading a toddler for a check is already pressing up against the boundaries of realism, and is plenty awful.

@IndieGamerChick

Ай бұрын

@@hitskwaad I thought we gave up on realism when we're talking about dragons and blood magic.

@hitskwaad

Ай бұрын

@@IndieGamerChick realism isn't abandoned in fantasy, it's reestablished as something else. Human nature hasn't been reestablished in this series yet, and won't be until the final chapter of Winds when it's revealed that bran had a seizure on the Isle of Faces and accidentally warged himself across space and time, and was actually every character all at once with severe amnesia the whole time.

I was glad they toned down Mysaria’s accent. It was annoying!