you know its bad when house Bolton looks at you and says wow, guys calm down lol

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

Based Bolton. Ramsay is literally me fr.

@ThommyofThenn

Ай бұрын

​@@nont18411Ramsay is cringe but you seem p cool

@cpolt1192

Ай бұрын

Lol how you gonna say that?! 🤣​@@nont18411

@QueenAusetHeru

Ай бұрын

😂

@ThommyofThenn

Ай бұрын

Just as there have been some wicked Starks in history, I'm sure there have been one or 2 non-sadistic not totally evil Boltons in the last 8,000 years

RIP Bracken twink. We hardly knew ye...

@juliansalazar2655

Ай бұрын

Such a great actor tho. In such few time, he transmitted so much

@wrestlinginfodude2644

Ай бұрын

Twink? How?

@wittiza2102

28 күн бұрын

​@@wrestlinginfodude2644He do looks like one.

@TheGreatPewpyOne

28 күн бұрын

​@@wrestlinginfodude2644 look in a mirror

@keroro407

22 күн бұрын

​​@@wrestlinginfodude2644He's handsome as fu_k

Idk, but I felt so much empathy towards the Bracken guy on the last episode, I felt so sorry for him, he seemed like he didn't want to fight because he was young and inexperienced. That actor really nailed it.

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

Yup! You should, it's neither of their fault and a war that has nothing to do with them. Dead for a beef they had no part in making. Who knows who even moved those stones, or if they were at all. But they can't avoid it, like Hoster Blackwood said in ADWD as long as they remember the past they will never be free of it.

@theAverageJoe25

Ай бұрын

I’ll be honest when I saw the trailer I thought he was a chick

@mr_clean91

Ай бұрын

@@JoeMagicianAeron did nothing wrong. Poor kid was just trying to do what he was taught a knight is supposed to. He had no say in the matter. The grass around the stones is overgrown and growing through the gaps, so it must've sat undisturbed for a while. My guess is that its a historical grievance and Davos was just trying to start shit. Blackwoods have probably been telling Brackens to "put the stones back" in that field for centuries. Davos probably doesn't even know where exactly they're supposed to go back to, considering they're in the middle of a field with no landmarks. I think Davos body is laying on the riverbank at 4:25 just to the left of the dead horse. Hard to tell exactly but the clothes match

@alexbraswell2955

7 күн бұрын

You mean Blackwood… Bracken was the bad the guy picking on the lil guy

@dragonstalk86

6 күн бұрын

nah he fucked around and found out

It would be fitting for their thousand-year rivalry to be over something like a Bracken mistakenly grabbing a Blackwood's arse while reaching for a towel in a bathhouse or something.

@heresfrankbetches921

Ай бұрын

I'm screaming

@TheGreatPewpyOne

28 күн бұрын

​@@heresfrankbetches921 why it really wasn't that funny..

@heresfrankbetches921

28 күн бұрын

@@TheGreatPewpyOne yeah it was tense...

@GarleonOliver

20 күн бұрын

House Bracken symbol is a horse, earthly symbolism. Maybe it was something related to Brackens going against magic bullsh!t like the Maesters killing the dragons theory. If that is the case, i preffer the Brackens.

@bollockjohnson6156

20 күн бұрын

@@TheGreatPewpyOne found the homophobe

Loved the red and yellow cinematography as the colors designate the sides while panning over the dead bodies.

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

Glad you noticed! Exactly what I was going for by adding those overlays to the show footage.

That long hair Bracken kid was cute as damn button ngl

@dehypnotizebroadcast14

29 күн бұрын

Nice pfp!

@CommanderLongJohn

29 күн бұрын

@@dehypnotizebroadcast14 A man of culture and enlightenment I see 😎

@makjmakjs6146

27 күн бұрын

Gay

@CommanderLongJohn

27 күн бұрын

@@makjmakjs6146 It's like 5% gay

@Civilmonkey1

4 күн бұрын

​@@CommanderLongJohnit's not gay. Buttons are cute

It's almost like the river run lords keep the 2 houses fighting to balance power

Add Targaryen blood to each side from Aegon IV and you get a feud that tears the entire kingdom apart... again! 😂😂😂

I just knew there must be a romeo & juliet somewhere in the family tree. I JUST KNEW IT 🤯

@martinportelance138

5 күн бұрын

In fact, after so many attempts at peace by inter-marriage, both houses practically have the same blood by now. They're parents (which only seems to make matters worse). 😆

House Atreides vs. House Harkonnen medieval fantasy style.

Ramsay learned all the ways to hate and start a war from the book A War History of the Brackens and Blackwoods.

Aeron Bracken got stabbed with his own sword.. sin begets sin begets sin...

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

He bragged it would be good for killing Blackwoods, ends with it in his own throat. Ironic.

@BIZARBIES

Ай бұрын

He'll never get to bang a horse again.

We need Bittersteel to weigh in on this lmao

@cpolt1192

Ай бұрын

Ya surprised he hasnt caught this yet! 😂

i could be reading too much on the names. bracken is a type of fern that has many uses, but is poisonous to humans and may even cause death. that blackwoods accuse the brackens of poisoning their weirwood tree might be true. furthermore, bracken fern needs to be managed so as not to dominate woodlands. interesting...

@DRourkey

Ай бұрын

Yeah that checks out

@aaron234567890987643

Ай бұрын

Read into it! Love this insight

@FunkBastid

Ай бұрын

Bravo, George. The gardener-author strikes again.

@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb

29 күн бұрын

​@@FunkBastid I'm envious of his writing abilities.

@willbaskin700

7 сағат бұрын

yo are the weirwood trees causing the brackens and blackwoods to go mad and fight each other for sacrificial blood? Weirwood's feed on blood sacrifices and it makes them more potent, like when Daemon touched the tree in the last episode and saw a vision.

I love this dichotomy of honor and ambition you laid out. Thinking about prophecy as well, Bloodraven is unlikely to be the only Blackwood who had green dreams. Their past ancestors might've stressed the grudge because they knew what was coming and the need to protect against it thru old god worship and culture. This was also lost to the later generations as the world lost magic and people lost faith in it.

I'm dead serious when I say your Blackwood livestreams are one of the best contributions to the asoiaf fandom i've ever seen. I IMMEDIATELY thought of you when the opening to this ep started lol.

00:11 The sword and burning mill are definitely the stars of the shot, but I will never get over the imagery of the boy's body being "crushed" under the wheel. I am unfamiliar with a lot of the lore still, but that was just a lovely little detail to reinforce the themes and context of the families, even if it is pretty on the nose. Whoever on production thought to include that, huge props to them

The Bracken tale makes more sense: the Blackwoods were exiled from the North and so would have become vassals of somebody in the South or else warred with someone to craft their own kingdom.

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

My personal favorite is both are true, just at different times. My head canon is they were both vassals to the Mudds. The Mudds giving them blackwood vale similar to the Starks and Manderlys. The Blackwoods were kings first after the Mudds. Then the Brackens rebelled and became kings. After which the Blackwoods rebelled against them to gain back their independence. Both filling the power vacuum of the loss of House Mudd, at different times both claiming to be kings of the Rivers. But the history of the Brackens shows a clear pattern of behavior that lines pretty well with the Blackwood story. They love backstabbing, oath breaking, and allying with anyone to take down the Blackwoods. My guess is that is closer to true while not having any details.

@Raycloud

Ай бұрын

@@JoeMagician It could be the case that the Brackens were kings and accepted the Blackwoods as vassals but then at some point a Bracken king did something that went against Blackwood honor in some way, provoking them to rebel.

@KaiHung-wv3ul

29 күн бұрын

@@JoeMagician Yeah, this feud lasted for thousands of years, it's completely possible that both sides' stories happened MULTIPLE TIMES.

@hobbes1887

27 күн бұрын

​​@@JoeMagician it's also in their coat of arms. The brackens are a free, dominant stallion without shackles, who roams and claims grasslands wherever he wants. The Blackwoods are a bunch of old crows bound to gather around the same f-ing tree from time immemorial. Polar opposites

ngl both of the actors for the blackwood and bracken dudes are handsome af

@donkeydarko77

Ай бұрын

The Blackwood dude had no top lip.

@lyndsaybrown8471

Ай бұрын

They shoulda just hate fucked

@ShiniesoftheGanders

19 күн бұрын

True

@Nicole-ju3zb

16 күн бұрын

@@donkeydarko77Nah his features were very handsome

@donkeydarko77

16 күн бұрын

@@Nicole-ju3zb Yeah, if you think Miley Cyrus is handsome

Loved the Blackwoods ever since i saw their banner. Its a glorious, beautiful banner. When i learned their history, it just made the love official.

Davos is laying on the embankment at 4:22, just to the left of the dead horse. Looks like he took Aeron's friends with him. Their bodies are all around him, with one face down in the river. Aeron was also killed with his own sword.

Even the name Bracken is a hint. The Bracken fern is poisonous

To me as a Medievalist the Blackwood-Bracken Feud has always served as a lovely illustration about how honor was (usually) a zero sum game. When the stakes are that high, brutality isn't so mystifying an attitude.

CRAVEN. That singular vitriolic word has been a call to arms for both sides since time immemorial.

When Aegon became King, the very first law he passed in Westeros forbade lords from engaging in petty wars instead decreeing that all disputes between them should be settled by thier Lord Paramount. Therefore the Brackens and Blackwoods are only too happy to use the Dance as a pretext to restart thier ancient fued which they had been forbidden from engaging in for a very long time

Fun fact you can see Davos blackwood dead too near the left side

This video is Blackwood propaganda. (This comment has been verified and approved by House Bracken ™️)

@tammichenard1024

Ай бұрын

glorious, isn't it?

@forloveofthepage2361

Ай бұрын

Get out Bracken sympathizer.

@iwearpants123

Ай бұрын

Sounds like something a bracken would say.

@digge2210

Ай бұрын

As the whole ASOIAF franchise

@theblackfox8920

Ай бұрын

You're god damn right

my actual last name is blackwood and i am indeed a bit of a tree-worshipping nerd

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

Bloodraven approves!

@yellowfellow7246

Ай бұрын

Hey, so... I don't know how to put this to you but... I''m a Bracken.

@KaiHung-wv3ul

29 күн бұрын

@@yellowfellow7246 ....and there has been blood flowing in the KZread comment sections ever since.

@hobbes1887

27 күн бұрын

Natural enemies

Given who gets the attention I feel like the Blackwoods and Brackens are less the Hatfields and the McCoys and more the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals

Since we didn’t see the actual battle it’s my head canon that it was a dance battle.

@themeanhornet1070

Ай бұрын

@@cadewilliams3857 what’s sadder is now NO cows get eat any grass. The place is a mess.

Joe, you know I'm a lawyer. So, I am *all about* boundary stones & assizes.

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

Your time to shine!

@MaesterTori

Ай бұрын

@JoeMagician *cracks knuckles* let's do this

@nicklomas181

6 күн бұрын

Objection!

And the thumbnail of the year goes to... 🏆

House Justman FTW

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

It's a rare day we get to celebrate the one time the two houses teamed up and did something productive for once.

Love the Blackwoods. Bloodraven's mother was a Blackwood. Aegon V the Unlikely married a Blackwood, his heir runs off with Jenny of Oldstones, they all die at Summerhall. They are involved in several major events in the series. When fire and ice (or blood magic and Old Gods) come together, shit goes down.

No one in the Asoiaf universe will have the drip comparable to Tytos Blackwood

If the Hatfields and Mcoys had swords instead guns

This is awesome, Matt. Looking forward more Blackwood content

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

You will not be disappointed

@daniseason

29 күн бұрын

@@JoeMagician You never disappoint

Its also kinda funny how all of them being so young implies that they never get old due to them murdering each other all the time

Ouuuuuu we eating good tonight Bois!! Been waiting for this banger

You predicted it right a few videos back. Kudos

Before I start the video I will say my own personal theory is that the Brackens are the old Brandon Stark loyalists from the days when he became the Grey King. The blackwoods on the other hand are the former greenhands. Both sides started using insults to refer to one another, family deaths happened fast and frequently and that has led to the insults becoming the family names over time.

Another great video 👏

Great video. Love the Blackwoods. I think they should have their own show or book.

The Blackwood’s are the main reason for the Stark’s warging abilities and Green sight. When Starks defeated the Blackwoods from the north. They took the talented women or showed magical abilities. Then married them to bring their talents to the Stark bloodline.

@durrangodsgrief6503

27 күн бұрын

nah I doubt that starks have been getting that bloodline for ages

@aurelian2668

27 күн бұрын

Nah it was the warg kings daughters that was the reason why starks git magical powahhh

I can’t freaking wait for Bloody Ben and Black Ali ❤️‍🔥 🩸 ❤️‍🔥

I miss your theory videos they were super interesting takes, hope you make one again soon

im sure the only reason blackwood followed old gods is cause brakens choosed the new one and they be like yeah we are on opposite

My grandmother used to accuse all neighbours of moving boundrie stones, and moved alot herself. Lucky i dont live in Westeros.

They were both arguably stronger than house Tully but if either of them rose up against the Tullys the other one would join the Tullys to defeat them out of sheer hate.

When I first got into GOTs/ASOIAF I highly suspected that all the constant warfare & bloodshed was caused by a curse from The Children as a way to feed the weirwoods blood & ensure their continued existance. Sometimes I still wonder if that's not the case ...😮

Need a spinoff for these feuding houses

I find this dispute interesting. It’s basically the only time where the backwoods are wrong instead of clearly the good guys.

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

Except for Bloodraven! He's the bad guy often and on purpose.

@jamesives4375

Ай бұрын

@@JoeMagician true, but I feel life he’s a whole world building chapter of his own. But even next to bitter steel (who is cool too) he comes off as the good guy.

@cheffdonty

Ай бұрын

​@@JoeMagicianproblematic fave

So basically the HRE before the Imperial Peace was enforced and the Reichskammergericht established to tie feuds up in lengthy court cases. Also, the Tullys should have really put a neutral house between the Blackwood an Bracken territories to act as a buffer.

Blackwoods are like a cross between Warhammer Dwarves, and the Raven Guard from 40k. They have the Oath/Grudge stuff from Dwarves and then the Raven Aesthetic from raven Guard. I imagine they use some of the same tactics, too... do they use stealthy spies, and stuff?

Shout-out to house Bracken for producing the biggest hater in Westeros and Essos, Aegor 'Bittersteel' Rivers!

04:07 Had the Bracken been killed with his own sword?

@jacksmythe2187

Ай бұрын

Pretty sure. It has the same weird half pommel

@pyramidion5911

Ай бұрын

The sword wants more!

@timtim6373

Ай бұрын

Technically it killed a Blackwood since brackens have Blackwood blood

Another Joe lore video? Yessir.

So the Starks exiled the Blackwoods but not the Boltons? Even though the Boltons had history of burning Winterfell and flaying Stark princes for the lolz even before Red Wedding?

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

Makes you wonder, what did the Blackwoods do ....

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

@@JoeMagician Probably stole one of the Starks’ birthday cake

@jeanpaulsinatra

Ай бұрын

So the Starks made peace with the Boltons to fend off the Andal invasion, which piecing a timeline together must have been long after they exiled the Blackwoods, if they already had a generational blood feud with the Brackens by the time.

Sad how it ends with Willem.

Wasn't the Brachen kid stabbed through the neck with his own sword. I swear the pommel was the same.

They way they came off, I thought it would be an open handed slap fight.

Asking someone “Blackwood or Bracken” is like asking someone “Alien or Predator”. It tells you pretty much everything you need to know about a person.

"And the Brackens exist as well". That basically sums it up. They exist so that the Blackwoods have something to do.

I don't think Rhaenrya could have gone on a progress without the crowns leave. Didn't Alicent, then, Alicent/Otto spend upward of 20 years bullying her and denying her most of her Princessly station?

Now we know the atrocities the Blackwoods committed against the Brackens it makes you wonder how many other times that happened that history has just forgotten so we get the impression that they've always been the good guys

Do they have house words like “Ours is the Fury!”?

@JoeMagician

Ай бұрын

No known house words for either family unfortunately

@themeanhornet1070

Ай бұрын

@@JoeMagician really? They got a coat of arms. Hell even my lowly house has a slogan. Every night at 1800 you can the battle cry of “When’s Dinner?!”

All i gotta say is, dont stick copper pennies in your tree then be surprised when it dies🤷🏻‍♂️

Team blackwood ⚫️ 🔥

❤ those Blackwoods

I'm just goona point out the Blackwoods poisoned and killed their own weirwood tree by stuffing it with coins then blamed the Brackens for it

As a House Piper meatrider the blackwood and bracken land should be given to Marq Piper 🗣️🗣️

If they are all related, why is it that when the blackwoods and brackens Kin-slay each other everyone kinda shrugs and does an eye roll. But if anyone else does it everyone loses their shit? Edit: i realized this when replying to another comment, but it's a bit ironic that the house that got kicked out of the north can't remember why they hate the Brackens "the north remembers" and whatnot. I think grrm did that on purpose

yo are the weirwood trees causing the brackens and blackwoods to go mad and fight each other for sacrificial blood? Weirwood's feed on blood sacrifices and it makes them more potent, like when Daemon touched the tree in the last episode and saw a vision.

Huh they're really a couple rascals, always up to some shenanigans.

I wonder which historical feud inspired them for GRRM to use in ASOIAF

@brendan9868

4 күн бұрын

I dunno if he has any specific feud in mind, but my money would be on it coming from somewhere Scotland. Generational beef over trivial issues is the type of hating that just screams it being the Scottish Clans. But if George dipped into American history, Ryan’s assessment of the Hatfields and McCoy’s actually isn’t too bad.

A Song of Ice and Fire Book Five: A Dance with Dragons (After Jaime ends the siege in Riverrun and ensures the loyalty of the Blackwoods by taking one of their sons as a hostage and one daughter from the Brackens) "So we go on century after century. with us hating the Brackens and them hating us. My father says there will never be an end to it." - Hoster Blackwood (Jaime's hostage) "There could be." - Jaime Lannister "How, my lord? The old wounds never heal, my father says." - Hoster Blackwood "My father had a saying too. Never wound a foe when you can kill him. Dead men can't claim vengeance." - Jaime Lannister "Their sons do." - Hoster Blackwood "Not if you kill their sons as well. Ask the Casterlys about that if you doubt me. Ask Lord and Lady Tarbeck, or the Reynes of Castamere. Ask the Prince of Dragonstone." - Jaime Lannister "Is that why you killed all the Starks?" - Hoster Blackwood "Not all, Lord Eddard's daughters live. One has just been wed. The other...." (Brienne, where are you? Have you found her?) "... if the gods are good, she'll forget she was a Stark. She'll wed some burly blacksmith or fat faced innkeep, fill his house with children, and never need to fear that some knight might come along to smash their heads against a wall." - Jaime Lannister "The gods are good." -Hoster Blackwood (You go on believing that.) - Jaime Lannister's thought

I heard the Brackens do more with their horses besides breed them...

Yesss

Bittersteel wouldn’t let this slide

I dont really see this border dispute being related to the duel in season 1, which was, what, 20 years ago at this point in the story?

A hundred and thousands of men? Wow House Blackwood and Bracken are so large house then?

I'm currently playing Blackwoods in CK3 AGOT. I bested Lord Bracken in a duel, he assassinated me because he was salty and now the new Lady Blackwood is plotting the long revenge. Make friendly with the Brackens. Grow up among them and take their bullying. Lull them into a false sense of security while I train Intrigue. Then start seducing his heirs and usurp the entirety of Stonehedge. Took the Brackens like 30 minutes to make me hate their blood

the riverlands are basically the low countries in real life history! with the three points of the trident being the scheldt river, meuse river and Rhine river ;p the brackens and blackwoods would correspond with the houses Berchthout and Antwerp ;p

Here’s a theory of mine, after the Blackwoods left the north, they went south in the Riverlands and actually conquered the lands previously ruled by the Brackens. They they never were the vassal of house Bracken, and by right of conquest they kept the lands and defended it multiple times when house Bracken tried to reclaim their lost lands, thus starting the feud. When the Andals came they allied, and when house Bracken abandoned the olds gods that’s when the feud got worse.

This might not go well for a Blackwood aligned channel, but I hope GRRM would elaborate more on House Bracken lore than the Blackwoods on TWOW, & at least gave them a chance to even out their so called dispute. it's pretty clear GRRM is biased to the Blackwoods.

Which house is which colors?

So essentially the looooong version of Stark vs Lannister And hey, if the Blackwoods were driven out of the north, wouldn't that make them settlers? Maybe they really did encroach on Bracken land. Maybe the Brackens were the kings and the Blackwoods were the uppity vassals. Wouldn't be the first case of history through projection

Be on the right side of the River. The First side

Damn it dude! Tree worshipping nerds made me almost piss myself

Fuck right I'm here for the boundary stones!

@JoeMagician

23 күн бұрын

My people

Yo!

It’s so cool how no one likes the brakens lol. Like NO ONE likes them, Even the people saying they do, Don’t. Blackwoods for life baby

💖

House Bracken holds the largest army in the riverlands on their own even more than the Tullys & Freys. The Tullys would need to call all their banners if they went to war. Also House Bracken poisoned the weirwood at Raventree Hall once they comverted to the faith of the seven. So there's a lot the Brackens have to answer for.

Does anyone have any recommendations for any channels that make videos in this exact style, that are this engaging, but whom cover feuds between real historical houses, or battles, and real olde political / royal dynasties etc. GRRM based all of this on the war of the roses in a way, so all these houses have similarities to true historical stuff. Look up the Black Dinner, or the Glendcoe massacre, or the war of the roses to learn some hectic historical stuff. But yeah if anyone knows of any channels that are as interesting and similarly produced to this stuff, let me know...

I love this channel. House Blackwood forever!

What if the Children of the Forest 🧚‍♀️ are moving the boundary stones 🪨

Big beggo kinslayin’ 😎

Long live House Blackwood and long live Brynden Blackwood Targaryen also called Bloodraven ✓

How to solve it? Easy, barely an inconvenience. Since the Brackens have all daughters at this point in ASOIAF, and the Blackwoods mostly have sons, just throw a big wedding where all the Blackwoods marry all the Brackens. Or, you know, just get the Others to wipe out both houses. If they all die, no feud. Worse case scenario they team up to wreck shop and solve their feud that way.

@JoeMagician

29 күн бұрын

To Hoster Blackwood's point I put in the video, they've done that over and over throughout history. Marriage pacts and alliances and bonds of friendship to put it all behind them. Making every Bracken a Blackwood and vice versa, hasn't stopped the feud. It eventually returns.

@KaiHung-wv3ul

29 күн бұрын

@@JoeMagician But since Bracken has NO sons, how could the main Bracken line continue? His nephew and bastard son are dead I'm pretty sure.

@bjammin187

25 күн бұрын

Mass arranged weddings are TIGHT!

@brendan9868

4 күн бұрын

@@KaiHung-wv3ulthat’s the fun part, they don’t. Blackwoods 📈