Horrible ending to LLWS baseball game Season ending mistake in semifinals
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During the 2015 Little League World Series Northwest Regional games, Cascade Little League in Vancouver, Washington, had experienced one of the most unfortunate endings to an All Star season during a semifinal game.
The rule 7.09(h) reads, “It is interference if in the judgement of the umpire, the base coach at third base or first base, by touching or holding the runner, physically assists that runner in returning to or leaving third or first base.”
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Absolutely the right call. I have made the call several times as a LL ump. As an umpire, I always took an proactive role in teaching the coaches the rules during the regular season, which I called the preseason. Just in case they reached this level, they wouldn't make stupid mistakes like this one. I wouldn't doubt the coach was telling the kid to go, and the kid was hesitating, so a gentle push was needed to get the kid to move. I've seen that too. Too bad a coach's error cost the season.
@DooberD33
6 жыл бұрын
Indy Carr really because I played all stars for HC in tooele in Utah and we won all our games so far but our team had 10 the other team had 11 and we had 2 outs I was batting and it was the last inning but when they got me with a 2nd strike the other team ran to each other and we’re all happy but no one called time the ball was in play and my runner from 3rd ran home but the umpire told him to go back but no one called time
@indycarr3964
6 жыл бұрын
@DaRubberDucki- I hope your coach played the rest of the game under protest, because the ump was wrong if no time out was called. Problem with LL, you're not dealing with the brightest lot, but their hearts are in the right place. The better umps springboard to higher levels. I wish you the best in your title quest.
@flamez2799
6 жыл бұрын
Indy Carr yeah right I bet like other umps you make bad calls
@indycarr3964
6 жыл бұрын
@Alejandro Sanchez- Gee, I don't think I ever claimed I was perfect, but I was damn better than most! That's why I was requested to do the 90' LL Junior and Senior championship games. Sure, I've made mistakes, who hasn't?
@flamez2799
6 жыл бұрын
Indy Carr well good cause I've seen other umps screw up and sense your honest I forgive you
Absolutely the right call. No umpire wants to end an important game with a call like that but it was the right call.
@sonnybowman
3 жыл бұрын
You are right. The umpire could not not call it.
@dionst.michael5818
2 жыл бұрын
I do! I love effing crap up! Point of pride quite frankly! I like ruining people’s day! It’s AWESOME! So satisfying. Try it sometime. It’s addictive. Haha!
gonna take a lot of pizza parties to make up for that one, coach.
@amare7198
5 жыл бұрын
Underrated
@Get_Low
4 жыл бұрын
Mediocre
@emmadog8121
2 жыл бұрын
😂
@LucianDevine
2 жыл бұрын
Truth!
The real tragedy is a newscaster saying, "costed."
@SarahDigsHockey
3 жыл бұрын
Did it cost her a trip to Williamsport?
@Jivvi
3 жыл бұрын
@@SarahDigsHockey it costed her much more than that.
@janglee8523
3 жыл бұрын
lol I think I would have said that. I'm glad I learned something on youtube today. Thank you
@jdolnick2741
2 жыл бұрын
Never mistake a TV newscaster for a journalist.
@jamesoverholt878
2 жыл бұрын
@@jdolnick2741 I prefer the title they use in England.....presenter
2:46 - no, no, the coach didn't assist the runner, he's a chiropractor and was giving him a spinal adjustment
@saaamember97
4 жыл бұрын
A spinal adjustment through the butt?
@lanky2592
3 жыл бұрын
@@saaamember97 Exactly! Don't question his profession, its not like a fetish or anything.
@jonathanwilliams5235
3 жыл бұрын
Daaavve cmon man 😛🤣. But seriously if you watch the end of this, it’s where and what the umps are doing as this unfolds. The home plate umpire didn’t even have his mask on and the other umpires are not in their places that they should be. The home plate umpire is about 5 to 6 feet behind home plate and if this play was still live, in which it is hard to say that it is, then the home plate umpire was out of position in order to make whatever call that he needed to make. Tough call to make if you can’t clearly tell if time had been granted or not. What I saw was the coach talking with the player then the runner took off for home. No assistance whatsoever. I sure could go for a chiropractic adjustment right about now. 😳🤣
@davej3781
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanwilliams5235 why does the umpire need his mask on unless the pitcher is ready to deliver a pitch to the batter? and yes, of course when play relaxes both players and umpires may get out of position as they wait for the next play, but that doesn't mean the ball is dead; the defense must maintain control of the ball and keep aware of what the runners are doing, while the offense must keep aware of where the ball and not drift off their base else they are liable to be put out. Finally if you can't see the base coach literally *shove* the runner towards the plate, then you must be watching some other video
@jonathanwilliams5235
3 жыл бұрын
@@davej3781 the coach did not interfere with his player. Nor did he assist his player as he attempted to score. When The coach was finished talking to his player his player then made his attempt to score that’s it. No interference.
shoutout to the umpire who knew the rule.. ive never seen that before
@AcDc61272
6 жыл бұрын
lilvenice I had a 8U first base coach give a player a high five as he ran to first. “Out!.” Blue said it looked like the coach slowed the player down as he crossed the base. I had a good relationship with that Ump. With a smile in his face “Cant interfere with players coach.” Honestly, made us better coaches bc it never happened again. ⚾️
@DooberD33
6 жыл бұрын
lilvenice no the rule book says that if the umpire doesn’t call time then there is no time so the runner should have scored because the ball was still in play this happened when I played ball for state but my ump told the runner to go back but he shouldn’t have been called out at all that’s the wrong call cuz if it was technically timeout like they said the runners can move freely so you can’t call them out that’s a bad call
@2AForever-wi8yj
6 жыл бұрын
You are clueless ducky.
@danielstith5227
6 жыл бұрын
The call was on the coach Ducki. The coach touched a player on the field with a live ball. That is a clear violation. Now as an Ump I'll let a 3rd base coach high-five his runner on the way home rounding third on a blast to the corner, etc. but to 'control' the player? No that is a clear violation and the runner is out.
@rosskolnikov
6 жыл бұрын
Had it happen to me once coaching Little League (age 10) at 3rd base. Knew the rule but simply forgot. As it was early in the season, the ump gave a warning, and lesson was learned. But in a playoff like this, that was absolutely the right call.
Good call, Blue. With forty years experience, I would have made the same call. In fact, while watching this the first time, I saw that physical prompt. "Coach's interference' for sure.
@Equalizer241
4 жыл бұрын
I call BS on the 40 years.....
@davidgaleazzi792
4 жыл бұрын
Umpire looking to be the center of attraction
@63076topher
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidgaleazzi792 So he should have let them cheat?
Had one similar to this last Spring in a regional U12 championship LL game. I just looked at the 3rd base coach with a dropped jaw. I couldn't believe he actually grabbed his runner's jersey and kept him from advancing towards home during a scramble in the field. I give him credit that he didn't get angry at me in the least when I called him on it. He realized he had royally screwed up by touching the player.
Gotta know the rules. I was a LL manager for several years. I read the rule book thoroughly before my first year. There were a number of situations where I prevailed with the umpires because I knew the rules really well. This particular rule is very basic and should be well understood by all managers and coaches.
What WAS that coach thinking. He literally shoved him on the last one. Easy call.
100% correct call. I know one of the umpire crew who was on that game. It was a righteous call. Coaches interference!
I love when the 3B coach starts shimmying. Coach was trying to steal the game, but ended up stealing an opportunity from his own kids
I agree with the call. By physically contacting him and not giving a verbal command, he assisted the runner in leaving third base by not putting the defense on notice so they could make the play. This is a situation where touching the runner assisted him in advancing to home, which the rule prohibits.
@steveescher1554
3 жыл бұрын
arent they allowed to use secret hand signals though? how does that alert the other team?
@shritchie
3 жыл бұрын
A hand signal is one thing, it’s the physical contact and guiding him home that’s problematic.
The 3B asked for time, but it was not granted so the play was live. Knowing that the 3B coach decided to take advantage of the situation and send his runner home. But yeah, you can't touch him, coach. Correct call by the umps even though it's heartbreaking for the blue team.
Talk about not owning up to your mistakes; this coach is terrible. He blames his player and the umpire but not himself when it was him who broke the rules while his team was losing. I hate to see this in little league but it seems coaches do this type of thing (blame players or umpires) too often.
@sonnybowman
3 жыл бұрын
I hate to see it at any level.
@mikewild7321
Жыл бұрын
Huh? Exactly what video clip were you watching? See 5:33 Coach explained the incident and owned up to his mistake. Never blames anyone but himself.
@kennethbrown8723
Жыл бұрын
@@mikewild7321 he really didn’t take ownership of what he did. He said he touched him, no he pushed him off the base and then said the ump in his opinion decided to make the call! No the ump knowing the rule made the correct call!
The losing team to me seems like they know it was the right call and they took it well. This is what LL needs more of. Great sportsmanship by the team.
@LucianDevine
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, they handled it well. It likely helps that he knows he touched his player and the player knows he was touched. When it's that cut and dry it's easier to accept, but lesser men might have acted differently.
As the manager & base coach on 3rd base in Pony league, I whispered to my runner on third when he came back after a pitch "Catcher is lobbing the ball" He let one more pitch go to get his timing & went for it when the catcher lobbed after an additional pitch. He was able to slide under the tag when the pitcher threw the ball high into the catcher's glove. We went on to win by 1 run that game. That kid on his own, made the decision when to take it. That was the way I taught my players to think on their own.
@kennethbrown8723
Жыл бұрын
You are a heck of a coach!😂
For such an important semi-final game, you would think there would be more fans at the game. On another note, if the third baseman would have just tagged the runner out who was attempting to get to third, who was just two feet away from him instead of throwing wildly to first, the game would have been over with the same result.
@andrewseymour5712
4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, have to know the situation. you have guys on 1st and 2nd, hard hit to him, either needs to go tag his bag or tag the player. the runner slowed down enough thinking he was probably going to be tagged.
@psisis7423
4 жыл бұрын
LL kids nowadays just want to play fortnite and video games
@LucianDevine
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that throw hurt to see so much. It's good that it didn't end up costing them the game, but the potential was there. All he had to do was either head to third or walk the guy back to second and either tag him there with 2 men on second or wait for the pitcher, catcher, shortstop, or left fielder to get to third and throw for the force out. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug though, for better and for worse.
He more then touched him. He touched him a few times & finally nudged him off the base to get him started to home base. Umpire 100% right call here. Coach cost them the game. As a coach he should know the rules.
@Equalizer241
4 жыл бұрын
Nudged him off the base? What fcking video was you watching? He tapped him to get his attention. If you think tapping a player is helping him. Your blind as a bat...
@sonnybowman
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing personal but second guessing in Baseball is a fools game. The coach did not cost his team the game but he did end it. In the game of Baseball that is not the same thing.
You can see the runner's body shift forward from the push. It was more than just a congratulatory "touch". Good call, and I'm sure not a fun one to have to make. Coach unfortunately just reacted "in the moment".
That's why you stay in the coaching box.
@chriswebster24
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and keep yo hands to yoself 😂
@aaronaguilar9172
2 жыл бұрын
the coaching box wasn’t the problem, even if the coach is near the runner , it’s fine as long as he doesn’t make contact with the runner
The relevant rule reads: 7.09(i) It is interference when ... in the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching or holding the runner, physically assists that runner in returning to or leaving third base or first base.
@Equalizer241
4 жыл бұрын
That's from the old rules.... Rules have changed.... It says... Any coach at 1st or 3rd base can touch a player to get his providing the base coach doesn't try to hold the runner from advancing to another base or stop the runner from past the base.....
Poor coaching. 3rd base coach clearly interfered bc the player was not paying attention to the coach at all. It should only happen to you once. Coach should be a man and own up to his mistake. Leave tour ego off the field. ⚾️
@2AForever-wi8yj
6 жыл бұрын
in his defense he probably didn't even realize he did it when it was called.
Correct call by the alert umpire. In that situation, you don't give a timeout as requested, because the play is still going on. Also, the coach assisting the runner physically is against the rules at all levels of baseball. You gotta lay this one huge mistake on the Cascade third base coach!
@csxfloridafunnelrailfan3065
6 жыл бұрын
Cal Ven generally umpires are discouraged from calling time after every play. Tournament directors actually have told umpires to keep the ball live as much as possible
@juanbustos1052
4 жыл бұрын
No way. I'm calling time. You have players all over the field. Grant time, and let them reset. This isn't calling time out after no play.
@davej3781
4 жыл бұрын
@@juanbustos1052 then you have no clue what you are doing
4 жыл бұрын
@@davej3781 I disagree. The play was over, the LF had the ball after he backed up the throw to third. He held out his hands in typical time-out language, and it wasn't granted, why? The play was over, and the position players were walking back to their positions. The play is dead.
@donarthiazi2443
Жыл бұрын
@@juanbustos1052 Hopefully in the past three years you've learned at least a teeeny bit about baseball 😂
That was a easy call. He can’t do that. It’s on the rule book.
I have been umpiring for 29 years and that was absolutely 100% the correct call. The coach clearly touched his player and directed him to run home which is against the rules. Now with that being said, there is an unwritten code called "preventive officiating". Which means you try to stop a problem before it happens. Right now everyone go look at this video at the 2:36 mark. The play was chaotic. So once things had settled down and order was restored, the defensive player wearing #8 has his hands in the air asking for time and he gives the ball to his pitcher. The play is over ! Pause the video at 2:38. Look at the runner and the third base coach. They know the play is over. The runner has his head bowed and the coach just standing there. Listen to what the broadcaster says at 2:53. Everyone in the ballpark knew the play was over and thought that time had been called. The umpire should have called time. Look at it again in the 6:50 mark. You can clearly see the player with his hands up in the air again asking the umpire for time out a SECOND time because you can see he is in a different spot on the field. The team in white asked for time TWICE. But the umpire did not grant it. WHY ? The umpire's mistake was not in ruling the runner out. His mistake was in not granting time when the play was over and the defensive team did in fact ask for time. If the umpire had simply granted time at that point, NONE of this would have happened. The kid asked for timeout...TWICE ! This is little league. Give him timeout. If the ump calls time, the play is over. Now you've got runners at 2nd and 3rd with two outs with a score of 8-7 and let's play ball from there.
@63076topher
3 жыл бұрын
You don't call time after every play. The out for touching the player was right but time was not and should not have been granted.
a lot of coaches misunderstand this rule, physical contact itself is not illegal, the contact has to be deemed to assist the runner, so coaches often scream the "the coach touched him, he touched him!!", I'm like ya so what, he didn't assist him
@63076topher
2 жыл бұрын
In this case he did PUSH him towards home.
its actually sad how this team went down, but they had an outstanding run, but the umpire made the right call (shit, our little league dosent even compete for williamsport)
I coached travel softball for a decade. That was a complete brain fart by that 3rd base coach. You can't touch any player on either team while on the field during live play. And he obviously knew play was live because he sent his runner. D'oh.
Nice job there coach. Kids need to learn that no matter how hard they work and how skilled they are, stupid people will crush their dreams.
For a coach to have serious aspirations of reaching his 13U team to the LLWS, he sure doesn't know the rules that well.
2:37 that was the fiercest glove soap ever
I guess my only question is why the umpires did not call time after the play was over. It was a complicated play, players were out of their normal position, and the defensive team was asking for time, understandable given all the movement. I’m not looking to delay a game, but in a similar situation, I’d grant a timeout, just so the players can resume their position. That’s usually done in MLB, not to mention high school, men’s leagues, etc. At least that way, the outcome of the game is in the players’ hands, not a mistake by a coach. But then LL has its own set of rules, without balks, leading, a dropped third strike, etc. I also wonder why, on such a small field, you need six umpires to call a game. Four is sufficient, as the field is so much smaller than a full sized baseball field.
@csxfloridafunnelrailfan3065
6 жыл бұрын
John Cronin tournament. Keep the ball live as much as possible. Time doesn't have to be granted just because a defensive player holds his hands up and asks for time.
I enjoyed your last comment about the “news “using blurry footage. Was that for more dramatic affect? They want to be the first to report that big foot was playing baseball? It’s a symbol that news is stuck in the 70s
As a softball coach I have done this once. I had a player slide into third, and with the ball still in the third basemen's glove came over towards me and off the bag. I institutionally gave her a little push back towards the bag. I knew as soon as I did it that she would be called out. Luckily it was not a close ball game, but I will never do that again, so glad I made the mistake at the JV level.
Tonight's softball game was a force out at second the defensive was leaving the field with two outs. The first base coach pushed his runner to run I yelled dead ball runner out coachs interference she would have been on third
The runner should have been paying attention and the coach wouldn't have touched him. Coach should have known better.
Nice job by the news team to use blurry cell phone footage so viewers can't see the coach physically tap the kid twice, then physically push him so hard his back bends backwards. If they had used clear footage it might not have looked so good for the coach.
@Equalizer241
4 жыл бұрын
Push him? What fcking video was you watching?
@davej3781
4 жыл бұрын
@@Equalizer241 he was probably watching this video at 2:45 (or 4:20) where he taps him twice and then gives him a slipped disk between L4 and L5
@chriswebster24
3 жыл бұрын
@@davej3781 Yeah, I’m not totally sure whether or not the kid needed back surgery afterwards, but he definitely got pushed, though. I know that much, for sure 😂
@robertdouth8979
2 жыл бұрын
@@Equalizer241 The real question is how you missed him pushing him so forcefully his midsection went forward and then he finally ran. This was so blatant, and the news using a garbage video makes it all the more frustrating. That's local Washington news though so they want to make it look like their local team got hosed. Just another reason you shouldn't trust the news because what is obvious is made to look not so obvious just to get views.
@michaelmack9376
Жыл бұрын
@@Equalizer241 I was watching the video that was in full HD quality from the left field camera that is about 20 feet from third base and was pointed right at the third base coach. The one that oddly the news team decided not to use.
I think I'm missing something because this seems so simple and never should have happened. 2 outs bottom of 6 with runners on first and second. Why did the 3rd baseman even consider throwing to first and not get the force out on the runner from second? Not to mention, the runner at second runs out of the base path trying to avoid the 3rd baseman. If they followed fundamentals this scenario never should have happened. But again it seems so simple I must clearly be missing something.
Sorry coach. You made a mistake and the team paid the price. I thought he did responsibility for the mistake though in the TV interview?
@MJHBaseball
6 жыл бұрын
I think you misunderstood Peter Okeefe's comment.
@coachwilson5967
6 жыл бұрын
After re-reading his post, you are right, sorry about that. I'll try to remove it.
@TheDreamBlog
4 жыл бұрын
Disagree "he did responsibly" in the interview. He clearly says, I tapped him to get his attention then the umpire called him out. Either a half hearted apology OR his sentence was edited by the news.
Lost to this team 4-2 in the semis 😭
Of course, any comment in regards to the 3rd baseman looking at the Ump, and calling clearly for time with his hands up before the play transpired??
@Subangelis
6 жыл бұрын
bkanders1 - There are plenty. No reason to grant time here.
Right call, similar thing happened in a game I was coaching. Player missed home plate and I told him to go back, he didn’t understand so I tapped him like this coach towards the plate and said run. Their catcher came back to get him, but ump said he would have been out anyway since I touched him on the back.
Absolutely correct call
Correct call. Runner on 3rd was not tuned into his base coach. Player fell asleep at the wheel. Coach cannot touch the players in the field of play.
ILLEGAL move by the third base coach. GOOD call by the third base umpire.
sad for the kids but unfortunately it’s the right call. it’s difference if a coach touches a player with a high five on a home run trot, or giving a high five after a hit and time is called. but if the base coach touches a runner to assist him, then that’s against the rules
Why is this a horrible ending? The ump got the call exactly right...coach should've known better than to make such a stupid mistake.
Some folks may not like it, but it’s the right call.
Let’s be honest, this coach is more sad that he didn’t get to coach in the LLWS more than being sad that the kids didn’t make it to Williamsport.
@carltonreese4854
4 жыл бұрын
And you know this, how? Do tell, Dr. Joyce Brothers.
I liked how the professional news reader at the news end pronounced cost.
The 3rd Base Coach, Brendan McCarthy is shameful and an example of the type of father-coach who negatively impacts youth sports. He said players get one chance at 12 years old to get to the LLWS but added "... and you're the manager or coach of a 12 year old Little League team, that's your one chance." What a selfish, immature man. He said it... he viewed a significant part of it to be HIS one chance too. That is TOTALLY NOT what youth sports is about.
Good call. Runner is out due to Coach assisting the runner on 3rd. Easy call.
No contact can be made from assisting by coach (rule doesn’t care if it’s a light touch or hard push.) Anything in assisting the runner he tapped him twice then gave him a push on third attempt. Great call !!!
Correct call. The 3rd base coach should have known the rule!!
Where's the "horrible ending?" Coach messed up. That's on him.
That was the correct call all the way. That sucks the coach cost them the game. That’s the only thing I hate about this World Series, the kids have to play under different rules that most teams normally play under. So a lot of good teams like in AAAU will not play in it.Need to do a video on the 2005 American Legion World Series, That was a crazy ending.
@washedupwarvet2027
3 ай бұрын
little league world series is for little league teams only. Totally different then AAU ball. You can't even enter an AAU team if you wanted to lol
Really, why didn't the third baseman just tag the runner out? Always - ALWAYS - make the easy play. 5:36 coach.. you didn't 'touch him to get his attention', you literally SHOVED him to get him started off the base. Also, 5:06 'costed them' lol
Correct call. It’s too bad though that this means so much in the eyes of parents. In a normal world, the Ump would have discretion to warn the coach and with agreement from the opposing team, could simply not make the call and let the kids play it out. Nothing wrong with the Ump doing their job and making the call. Again, correct call. Just would have been nice to see it not end on an inconsequential action from the coach.
Looks like a good call to me. Tough break to be sure, but the ball was live.
The news report didn't say it wasn't the right call. They said the coach made a mistake. The coach said the same. So why does it matter that they used a blurry video? Even a novice can watch that report & see that they weren't making any excuses.
If the other team had just executed the rundown properly, none of this would have happened and the outcome would still be the same :)
Absolutely good call by the umpire.
it wasn't a small mistake. It might have that he didn't know the rule (likely) but it was the right call.
Even the professional news people can make mistakes, maybe ignorant mistakes. At 5:09, Vanessa Paz said the mistake "a small mistake that costed them big." Who writes this junk? The coach did not make the only mistake. The base runner was not paying attention. He was more at fault than the 3rd base coach. The kids are supposed to win the game.
@idadho
6 жыл бұрын
I did not say the runner cost them the game. The runner cost them the out in shared responsibility with the third base coach. Just as the runner was not paying attention to the third base coach, he could have ignored the coach's push toward home. Yes, the runner being inattentive alone did not lose them the game. But, if the runner was attentive, he could have won them the game.
@idadho
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, but the game would not have ended so another RBI hit would have been a possibility, IF THE BASE RUNNER AT SECOND FOLLOWED THE THIRD BASE COACH'S INSTRUCTIONS.
@idadho
6 жыл бұрын
What use is having a third base coach if the base runner does not pay attention to the coach? The coach erred by touching the runner. The runner erred by not paying attention to the third base coach. Prorating shared blame is a guessing game. But, it is easier on the kids if the coach takes the blame. The kids tend to tear themselves up about their mistakes on the field.
@marmac2768
6 жыл бұрын
One thing that makes it even more interesting to me is that, if you watch the play, the third baseman could have just turned around after fielding the ball and tagged the runner going to third. He was literally about a foot behind him when he fielded the ball. Interesting play all around!
@marmac2768
6 жыл бұрын
That's why they are called KIDS!
Speaking as an umpire, that is a call you pray you never have to make. You absolutely must make the call but you never want to make a call that ends the game, other than the normal out/safe call. Especially when it has nothing to do with the kids actually playing and is completely out of their control.
@McLovin1759
Ай бұрын
I’d love to see it written into the rules that the correct call is that the runner is out for coach’s interference but if the other team’s coach agrees, the call could be overturned and the kids play on. It would absolutely relieve pressure on the Ump to make a call that might end a game and puts a lot of pressure on the opposing coach to do what we know to be right.
As am umpire , I would hate to make that call.
Great job coach. There's a lot of kindergarten players that learned that lesson the hard way too.
I agree the right call was made, but one player on the defense (#15) is requesting time for some seconds before the final play. Another player (#8) joins him just before the play. Does anyone know why the 3B umpire would not have granted timeout? Both the runners are on their bases and no play is pending. I know an ump never has to grant a TO request, but they usually do if no further play is possible. If time had been called the game-ending play never would have happened. Just curious.
@MJHBaseball
6 жыл бұрын
It's bad umpiring to grant time without a compelling reason, especially to the defense. The field was still chaotic, players all over the place. The umpire that grants time too quickly penalizes the Heads-Up base runner unfairly. The rule - never grant Time unless you have to AND then only when the field has reset with ALL players back in position with the ball in the pitcher's hand....Otherwise, Never call time. Exception: an injury to deal with.
@shpadoinker
6 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
@marmac2768
6 жыл бұрын
But, they did make a "further play", didn't they? So, if time had been granted and that runner had advanced to the plate, you are penalizing a team who is "heads up" on the play.
Right call....you absolutely cannot do that
Tough life lesson for the kids, but maybe this experience will serve them better than if they had gone to the LLWS. That is, knowing the rules is important no matter what you do, and owning up to your own mistakes is important, too.
Great job by umpires. You can't call time here to bail out the defense! He pushed his player and it cost him. I really feel for the coach, but the chance they get to the llws is very remote.
@davidriedy5977
2 жыл бұрын
@@_outofphase5480 that's what I'm saying. If the dust has settled then sure, grant the time out request. But idk
Not the point the of the video ...but at 2:19 - just tag the runner. Instead, the third basement did every he could to avoid contact.
@Downsouthroots
5 жыл бұрын
Great comment!!! I agree 100%.
To everyone complaining that the ball was dead, I've got some bad news for you. Only under certain circumstances will an ump call time. It's all in the rules. 5.10 - The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The Umpire-in-Chief shall call “Time” - (a) when in said umpire’s judgment, weather, darkness, or similar conditions make immediate further play impossible; (b) when light failure makes it difficult or impossible for the umpires to follow the play; NOTE: A league may adopt its own regulations governing games interrupted by light failure. (c) when an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire; If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent said runner from proceeding to an entitled base, as on a home run hit out of the playing field or an award of one or more bases, a substitute runner shall be permitted to complete the play. (d) when a manager requests “Time” for a substitution, or for a conference with one of the players; (NOTE: Only one offensive time-out, for the purpose of a visit or conference, will be permitted each inning.) (e) when the umpire wishes to examine the ball, to consult with either manager, or for any similar cause; (f) when a fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into a stand, or falls across ropes into a crowd when spectators are on the field, or any other dead-ball area. As pertains to runners, the provisions of 7.04(b) shall prevail. If a fielder after making a catch steps into a dead ball area, but does not fall, the ball is alive and in play and runners may advance at their own peril; (g) when an umpire orders a player or any other person removed from the playing field; (h) except in the cases stated in paragraphs (b) and (c)(1) of this rule, no umpire shall call “Time” while a play is in progress.
The blurry footage might have had to do with copyright and not some nefarious purpose.
@MJHBaseball
6 жыл бұрын
You might think that, BUT, they did use clear footage from other parts of the game. Also, these news organizations KNOW they can use fair usage footage. They are the whole reason, Fair Usage was created. I am 100% sure they blurred the footage to make it less obvious. After all, this is a Feel Good story, and Feel Good stories are meant to leave people teary eyed and sad, but happy that the group is pulling together despite the obstacles they encountered. It's a regular news segment in local news and IF people left saying, "The coach was an idiot for pushing his runner" then they obviously lose the Feel Good story. And really, who in the local market wants to criticize the coach and team? That was "Our Team" so we don't want to feel bad about it in the end. I'm okay with what they did, but I am not in that region, so I don't have to pretend.
This is why umpires should be paying attention all the time, good call, they are there to officiate a game, bit watch a game.
100% correct call by ump....this has happened several times while coaching in my daughters softball league...
Same rules apply in USSA Softball as well as ASA Softball. Under no circumstances may a coach touch a runner while the ball is "in play". This is the correct call. Coach handled it as he should have. A stand up guy
It’s the rule. I’ve called it.
Right call by the umpire
Yeah that is absolutely the right call…based on the rule. But I’d be willing to bet that 3rd base coach was just some kids dad who volunteered to help coach the team and he as not aware of that rule. Imagine how sick he felt afterwards.
Some umpire calls involve no opinion -- fair ball or foul, etc. -- some do involve an opinion by the umpire. Did the coach physically assist the runner in advancing? This umpire's opinion was yes and the umpire can make that call, so the runner was out for the 3rd and final out. Personally, I wouldn't call this coach for physically assisting the runner. I'd let the kids decide who wins.
5:06 "Costed them big" really?
@antonioacevedo5200
4 жыл бұрын
I noticed that as well. Unbelievable that this lady is representing a television station doing sports. Maybe they didn't care since it was just a little league game, but inexcusable for a professional.
The play starts at 2:05
@smokerazor1
6 жыл бұрын
Marvin Heyboer You the real MVP
Kids often start running with their hips bending forward first with their head moving backward and feet standing still. He couldn't possibly have been pushed.
@davej3781
3 жыл бұрын
bravo, I think that's even better than my chiropractic spinal adjustment joke
Anyone who still watched television news media for their information is too far gone in the head to be saved
Coach you pushed him towards home. He said I was just trying to get his attention. You need to apologize to the umpire for showing him up.
Late comment, but why didn't the third basman just tag the runner out at 2:19? The runner even had to drastically change direction to get to third due to how close he was to the third baseman. The shortstop was even running to cover third, so even if the third baseman missed the tag, he could of still flipped/tossed/thrown the ball the short distance to the shortstop covering third. I know that was a "routine" 5-1 ground ball, but the runner from second was literally a gloves reach from being the third out. The whole third base coach mishap honestly never should of happened.
@davej3781
4 жыл бұрын
there were 2 outs. the play at first is the highest percentage play. the between-the-bases tag has a lot of potential for things to go wrong, and counting on F6 to beat R2 to 3rd while catching the throw on the run is even more fraught with peril. 5-3 is the right play here, they just have to actually make the play.
How about an umpire calling out a hitter/runner going around third, after hitting a home run, yet, for giving the third base coach a high five. I had that happen to one of my boys. We had to call in the umpire-in-chief to correct the umpire. BTW, there was no pitch made before that action was taken; otherwise the out call would have stood.
I admire these kids in standing up for there coach. He made a big mistake but he wasn't the only one. I love how heartless the news media is.
@nozominous2956
5 жыл бұрын
Peter Parker it’s called brutally honest
Other jerks would try to find a way out and blame umpire
Correct assessment of the situation. However as a separated issue i find it highly unusual that with pitcher with the ball and all play stoped the request for time out is refused/denied
@MJHBaseball
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Baseball umpires are taught to keep the ball live at all times if possible. They are never to grant time simply to advantage one team over the other. Granting time when the players were requesting it should not be granted when the teams are still out of place and no one is injured. And this play is exactly why. Umpires will grant time: 1) when a coach requests time to visit the pitcher only after the play is clearly over (runners on their base and fielders back in place) 2) when a catcher asks for time to talk to the pitcher. Again, if everything is over. 3) If a player is injured. Time is called when all play stops, but NOT necessarily if plays might still occur. Time is called sooner. 4) Serious injury. Play is stopped immediately and umpires assign bases as needed (youth baseball only.) 5) When a runner asks for time to remove pads, etc. They get time quicker as they are only harming themselves potentially. All runners must be on a base prior to this time call. 6) obviously on a ball out of play. But other than that, the ball is always live.
@David-iy5nl
3 жыл бұрын
@@MJHBaseball I agree with your statement and explanation of the rules, but differ/disagree with your assessment at that moment. Also the 1st base ump has turned his back to the field.
@daveh1758
3 жыл бұрын
@@David-iy5nl A four man crew with a guy only at third and what? Call time out because the first base umpire had his back turned? Seriously? Kill the ball as infrequently as possible. I still remember the distinct look of confusion the first time I followed through on my initial umpire training on this point and asked, "What for?", after a third baseman asked for time instead of simply throwing the live ball back to the pitcher. The awkward silence made the denial the easy decision.
That is the rule even in rec ball. The coach had been through thousands of games with these kids he knew the rule there’s no way he could’ve not known that rule as a base coach.
Correct call by the rules.
Looks like the third baseman was clearly calling for timeout way before this happened. Did he not get the timeout awarded?
@CornPop471
4 жыл бұрын
Do you think timeout should have been granted?
@carltonreese4854
4 жыл бұрын
@@CornPop471 At 3:50, the player is clearly asking for timeout right in front of the umpire and I see no reason for it not to have been granted. The play had come to its conclusion and runners were ensconced on their bases. The controversial play should never have happened and was easily avoided. A real shame for everyone.
Everybody is harping on the coach, but they should be harping on the shortstop. He almost blew the game with that throw when all he had to do was either run to third base, throw to second, or tag the runner that was coming right at him. The coach made a mistake, but if the opposing player hadn't made the mistake first, the other one never would have happened.
@LucianDevine
2 жыл бұрын
@@_outofphase5480 Ah, you're right. It was between 3rd and second, so didn't pay attention to which fielder it was. The coach definitely should have known better, but he was of course trying not to call attention to what he was saying and doing, such that even his own player needed the physical touch to get the message. The right team won for the wrong reason, but the right team won. If they lost the game because of that throw he'd have been kicking himself for a LONG time. I imagine the coaches and other players were telling each other that there was a force out at all but home to avoid mistakes like this. All he has to do is walk his man down until the shortstop, pitcher, catcher, or left fielder get to third then throw for the force out. So either they get the tag out, 2 men on 2nd, or the force out at 3rd.
Don't know how long the coach has been coaching little league but that was totally a rookie mistake! Even more having the umpire there next to him. Horrible loss for the team, especially for the kids. Kids lost because a mental mistake from coach.
@McLovin1759
Ай бұрын
And they’ll get over it.
Yes, the ump made the correct call on interference. But he fell asleep not calling time out when the defensive player in front of him clearly asked for time after the play seemed completed.
@MJHBaseball
Жыл бұрын
The umpire is not supposed to call time when a defensive play asks UNLESS it's due to an injury, a pitcher visit by catcher or coach, or some other clearly necessary reason. NOT to bail them out of a tight spot. Keep the ball live. If the offensive runner wants time and all runners are on the base, then fine...it only harms them by taking away an opportunity to advance. The umpire most definitely is NOT to call time in that situation.
Unfortunately the Correct call !
This was the right call by the 3rd base umpire, but realistically the play should have been dead long before it got to this point. Watch the runner from 2nd during the hit. He sees the 3rd baseman field the ball and runs way behind him to avoid the tag. If you leave the baseline by that much, the runner should have been called out and the game should've ended there.
@MJHBaseball
4 жыл бұрын
That's a good point and you're the first to make it. However, the baseline doesn't exist for a runner until a tag attempt is made on him. So since the 3rd baseman didn't attempt a tag, the runner, technically, could have run to left field and not been called out. The baseline is the direct path between were the runner is and the base he is going to "when a tag play is being attempted."