If this is a (somewhat) regular series, then instead of head to head or anything like that, a proper series name could be 'Buffer to Buffer!' Something a bit more exciting XD

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha love it Luke - that's a great idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@thegamingveteran112

2 жыл бұрын

Luke we are the only people on my phone who have a reply from Sam

@TritonBrickRailway

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegamingveteran112 Firstly, I'm on PC. Secondly, I've seen Sam reply to loads of other people. This isn't a special occasion mate

For me, performance is more important than appearance. You can always add details, but, usually, very little can be done to up the performance.

@paulsngaugechannel

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I think I am with you on that. Better to addd what we want than what they think we want at expensive price.

@stratman9449

2 жыл бұрын

i prefer good smooth runners, to the fancy good lookers which end up on the shelf because they have "issues"......sadly i have a very large "shelf".....:-)

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too overall - that's very true - not easy to upgrade a mechanism! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@alisterware8062

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutly, dosnt mater how good something looks if it dosnt work!

@PhilipBallGarry

Жыл бұрын

I agree. You could buy a "shelf Queen" non-runner very cheaply if you want a static display loco on your layout - though I can't imagine why you would - unless you're building a diorama instead? Sam, excellent comparison which is as fair as possible 👍

The bigger question is: are you running out of storage space for all these locomotives? Are Crocs back in style?Lol. Form follows function so Hornby wins.

@makingtracksrailwaysociety3033

2 жыл бұрын

Crocs were never in were they?

@LemartesLogistics

2 жыл бұрын

Crocs and style? How high are you 😂

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yes to both questions, lol! And agreed, that's fair to say! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

A comparison involving the old Triang-Hornby Hall class might have been interesting too, to illustrate how standards and performance have evolved over the years. I suppose you could do this with any class really !

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point Garry - I'd love an excuse to run the Tri-ang models again! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

It's clear to me - performance is king...and price is never "not a factor!" Then there's customer service, and Hornby are in a different (and higher) universe there.

@neilharbott8394

2 жыл бұрын

I agree - depending upon your modeling skills, you could add detail, paint the cab, repaint or weather, even add weight (if you think it would make a difference), and improve the hornby. While you can do similar for the bachmann it doesn't overcome the performance differences.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely - I'm a performance man too! I've heard good and bad customer service stories about both Hornby and Bachmann - I've personally had very little dealings with Bachmann's, and Hornby's has been a mixed bag... better lately than it used to be! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

You're right about those lamp irons on the Bachmann Hall. They're about 1.1 mm in width making them equivalent to over 8 cm wide in real life. That's not to scale and about twice the size of lamp irons on some Hornby locos I measured

Brilliant video Sam! Love the comparison. I bought the Hornby hall based on your review ages ago, and then more recently got given a Bachmann one, I run my layout on DCC and the difference between them is a lot less noticeable. Think it’s very close between the two but I find myself running the Hornby one a lot more…. I think you’re right to compare old tool models to new tool, another reason companies do this is to recoup their development/tooling costs. If they can turn out a model for 20+ years their margins are going to be pretty good at the end. I often wonder whether the super-detailed models released today are funded by them keeping old ones in the range too! Even at the high prices we see now, I bet new model’s margins are A LOT tighter than we would think, or Bachmann would be willing to admit to…. :p

I think that the practical questions that every railway modeller faces when choosing a loco are: what are my options, how much do they cost and what is the difference in quality. Given these questions, evaluating a model has nothing to do with which tools were used to make it, and everything with what you get for the price. Many buyers won't even think about how old the tooling is (I don't). They just see a model in a shop and decide whether it's worth the price. In other words: given the practical situation, it is completely fair to compare a loco made with old tooling with a loco made with new tooling. You can even validate comparing second hand models with new ones, as long as the prices were determined at the same time.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for sharing - I agree 100% - slightly insane that this needs to be explained to some people, but I'm glad you've put it so well! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

We're into European H0 but it seems from many British model channels that Hornby always wins for Steamers and Bachmann for Diesels. Hence, this wasn't much of a surprise really. For continental rolling stock we usually do have a choice of many different makes for exactly the same locos; often a choice from 4 or even 5, e.g. ACME, Brawa, Fleischmann, Roco, Trix/Märklin (e.g. Traxx loco). Some do shorten their Multiple Unit Sets and some provide real length scale. Some are into stock from certain countries as a niche or to fill a gap. Some offer a higer grade of detailing, some less but still run after 60 years (Märklin), etc., etc. It's an interesting world we're diving into :)

Hi Sam, interesting comparison. I still use my old Witherslack Hall from the 90s which I bought for 40 quid about ten years ago and I must admit she runs just fine for me, as does my Pitchford Hall by Hornby (got that train pack 😜). I took the plunge, bit the bullet and went for a “New Tool” Witherslack Hall which arrived the other week. Annoyingly I haven’t been able to run her in yet 😖 Initial impressions are that the body work has improved remarkably. I am slightly nervous though now about the test run- not least as 6990 is my favourite “real life” loco”- but I have time off coming up…wish me luck 🍀🤪🍻👍

I love it when you do this, please compare models more often?

hi sam. an interesting comparison test.. a real dilemma . on one hand you got looks and on the other you have a decent work horse... if you want a model as part of the scenery i would go for bachmann. but if you want a model to do what it is supposed to do and for that sort of money then hornby would be the choice.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly right - no easy answer with this one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I wish you’d do a head to head between the older Wrenn/HD locos and the modern versions. Starting with the 8F and the 4MT 2-6-4T. I have HD and Bachmann versions of the 4MT. I still prefer the HD version because of its weight and « presence » though on detail Bachmann is clearly better. As far as finish is concerned I think we’re still in the 1980’s idea that Matt or satin finishes look better than gloss. I’d disagree - ex works locos were always highly polished (as they are today in preservation) and in this respect the Bachmann model wins hands down except for that hideous seam line on top of the boiler which for me is totally unacceptable. In this case I’d go for the Hornby model on the basis of its price and superior performance. But I’d probably give it a coat of gloss varnish!!

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

That'd be a fantastic idea Robin - good way to get the Wrenn locos back into videos too! Yes there are quite a few who like gloss - I'm a satin man myself, but we agree the flat matt finish definitely doesn't work! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@robinforrest7680

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains I do have a few Matt finish locos, but that’s because they’re generally very heavily weathered in « end of steam » condition 1965-8 : a couple of 9F’s and a Black Five. Generally various shades of Matt rusty brown 😉

hi Sam great video again... Hornby wins for me as the "playability of the locomotive" is further up my list than "it looks great in a wall unit display... keep up the amazing work Sir... ATB Neil from France

Excellent video Sam. I've been looking forward to this Hall comparison. Your last review of the Bachmann Hall convinced me to buy the hornby version. I've mildly weathered the new Hall which really lifts it as a model. Another good comparison would be the 08 shunters...or a comparison of bachmanns LMS 4-6-0's from either supplier.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Craig - oh wow, good idea on the weathering - bet that makes the finish way better! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

More comparison videos, please! I enjoy them!

Perfect Hall class model: . Bachmann livery application . Satin finish . Combined details of both H & B . 5 pole scew wound motor and flywheel . All wheel pickups on loco and tender . DCC socket in tender . Dapol mogul style loco to tender coupling . Opening smoke box door . No seem lines . Optional brass nameplates & number plates . Cheap price within €150 with optional free weathering

Just like with your Bachmann Edward vs Hornby Edward review, the roles switch around when it comes to detail and mechanism with the Hornby Hall Class and Bachmann Hall Class. I’d say l like the Hornby one better because of the price and the better mechanism.

@threepea1151

2 жыл бұрын

Omg i find u everywhere!

@iceeblueburst03

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t escape me lol

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha that's true actually - quite often the case! And yep - you're omnipresent! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@threepea1151

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains he likes nascar actually, so do it (it’s a racing sport here in the USA)

Whole explanation sequence done for people who have different perspective on the review, nice. appreciate the effort. I love the concept of vs. review, making each manufacturer's sin or slack pop right up much better. Ah it comes down to price, it always dose the value proposition of more expensive one is just not enough to offset its mediocre performance.

Interesting comparison, I’ve now had a Hornby Hall for four years and it’s been great, even before I shoved a DCC decoder in.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear! Bet it's even better on DCC! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Awesome video! I enjoyed it!

I would chose the hornby one because I would easily be able to fix some of the loco’s livery and detail application

your videos are amazing sam!!

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!! :D

This is a fantastic video. Very informative

hi sam its me again and keep up the good work and u were the one who got me into model train and i just want to say thanks

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Aiden - that's really lovely to hear, it's a pleasure! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@aidenrambharose9509

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains ur welcome

You should do more comparison videos of specific hornby and bachmann models. Example: Standard 4

Do people really still complain about comparing a 20 year old tooled model to a current new one??? You're argument is really good. A 20 year old model should be reflected in price, or should be upgraded. Thanks for another great video.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Some people do on occasion yeah! Exactly! Appreciate it my friend, Thanks for watching, Sam :)

When my Bachmann Hall runs slowly I just crank up the power! I'm not too concerned that another loco might run faster at the same power level. Also, I fitted the DCC decoder in the the tender which avoided removing the weights

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's fair enough - this demonstration just shows that the Hornby model just takes care of itself without intervention... if I speed up the Bachmann on the incline, it races down the slope at terrifying speed! Maybe some people will prefer this though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jamesgilbart2672

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains Actually, that's a good point - I have seen the same roll-a-coaster effect on down slopes even though the DCC decoder has back EMF which should regulate the speed.

I bought the Hornby Railroad version and was delighted with every aspect of it and it pulled 8 coaches with no fuss whatsoever!

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

I know! Fantastic locos for what they cost aren't they? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I think Hornby should bring back the railroad range because it was good for beginners and modelers on a budget I just prefer the railroad range over the current range because of the prices

@Poliss95

2 жыл бұрын

The Railroad range hasn't gone anywhere. It's still in the catalogue.

@LNERA3PRODUCTIONS

2 жыл бұрын

@@Poliss95 but I don’t recal Hornby having made new products for the range for the last 2 years

I got a Bachmann Modified Hall "Mere Hall". I got it yesterday (2.1.21) at Bewdley (On the Severn Valley Railway) For £70.

When practical, painting light colours first and then progressively darker should eliminate most or all of the colour bleed through

Fantastic video. Very interesting to see the difference but I don’t have a hornby hall class. Only bachmann Are you gonna try to do a review on the hornby class 50 diesel ? I’ve noticed you haven’t done one yet

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! And that would be great - if I can find one, I'll be sure to! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nice video! I do have a question, not on these two locomotives, but on another manufacture. Have you ever heard of ACE Trains, and, if so, what do you think of them? I am thinking about getting one of their Black 5s, but I wanted to do some research first. Thanks, and happy railroading!

So, I missed the design clever era, but it sounds like “we charge you more for us doing less work”. Is that right?

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yep that's basically it, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@bentullett6068

2 жыл бұрын

It was basically make a the main range super detailed locomotives and then to feature them in the Railroad range remove some of the details like window glazing, separate fitted detail, painted detail and put a simplified livery on it.

@Alpha-oo8

2 жыл бұрын

@@bentullett6068 interesting… I can see the value In that idea, but from the sound of it, they didn’t add enough details to the railways version to make it worthwhile

@bentullett6068

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alpha-oo8 nope they didn't unfortunately as they painted a few cab details, added glazing, painted a bit more details onto the locomotives and added some extra detail parts in the packaging for the customer to add themselves. They then raised the price a little bit more. It was cheaper to buy the Railroad model and add the extra details yourself.

Who would have guessed. A Hornby Thomas has a feature that the Hornby Hall doesn’t. *BEARINGS*

One thing I can never fault Bachmann on is their paint. I'm looking up at my Regional Railways and Large Logo 37s with their rakes of Intercity and West Highland coaches and the finish on them is just outstanding, especially when they come with painted axle boxes and springs on the bogies. I think I'm one of the few that prefer Bachmann models left in pristine condition just because they look so good right out of the box. In fact I do have one medium weathered 37 in Large Logo and it loses so much of its appeal to me. That one's been relegated to freight duties. Now all of my Dapol models - Get the airbrush out! Horrid flat matte paint with awful lines and paint spill everywhere. I'd be more than happy to cover them in dirt!

When you were looking at price comparisons at the beginning of the video and said that the earliest reference you could find was the one of 'Witherslack Hall' and said there were some differences in detailing was correct as this is a 'Modified Hall' designed by Hawksworth, rather than a Collett Designed 'Hall' which the Modified Hall was based on with as the name suggests had a few modifications. I don't know what these were either as mentioned by an earlier poster. Good comparisons though.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew - yes you're right - there are the two versions floating around out there. I also have a feeling the early ones were split-chassis... but it's not easy to tell without having the models. The second later model I quoted definitely had this mechanism opposed to the split chassis, as it was listed as DCC ready! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I still vote for the old Tri-ang Lord Westwood

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha yeah - old-school never dies! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I definetly prefer working models over good lookers. Plus, it's so much more fun to add details that you want to add anyway!

I've said it before; our hobby is about running trains, give me a loco that runs well over one that (may) look a little better any time; and as for the price difference........it's a no brainer.

@louisbuscarino7330

2 жыл бұрын

You take the words right out of my mouth. You make so much sense.

@paulsngaugechannel

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the model trains of 40 years ago are still running. Super detailed Models invariably are the ones which collectors want in their boxes never to be run, or in display cases locked in a room like the Mona Lisa. Give me a model that runs well and healthy, as opposed to the super detailed model that only works on 3rd radius curves because the buffer beam details hamper the running. Long live the 90’s , it seemed that the models were the Goldilocks era.

@robinleach2251

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulsngaugechannel Quite; on my layout this morning I've been running two 40 year old Airfix Fowlers, tootling along round circuits at a scale speed with 20 wagons behind. One I bought when they were new, one I bought last year for 25 quid.

Hornby did release this in the Railways range. It was pretty much the same but with a few more detail parts for a much higher price.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh interesting! I have a railways train pack with one in, but didn't know they released the stand-alone model in the range!! :O Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Not sure if this would be possible, but I had a neat idea for a possible project: What if you could combine parts of both models to get the best aspects of both? (Which would probably just be the Bachmann shell/body over the Hornby chassis, but I'd imagine that'd require some modifications). If you wanted to get really advanced you could even remove some of the worse details of the Bachmann body and splice the Hornby ones in place of them, but that might require cutting them off and gluing the others on.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

That would be an amazing project actually - I'd be fascinated to know whether it'd be possible! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Haven’t even finished the video yet but could not agree more on the price comparison demonstrated by chavvy Sam and his £1k camera. Spot on once again… and in that context, these models should be bother becoming exceptional AND cheaper, not doubling in price…

I always enjoy your philosophical musings on the subject of Hornby versus Bachmann. It is a fact that Bachmann locos often look better but don't run very well. Hornby know their locos are going on a layout. Bachmann are catering for glass case layouts. Thanks for uploading.

because of your channel i got 2 train sets both batterie powered

Superb video Sam. Yes I think Hornby wins, performance and price. Railroad versions sometimes are still better quality than the Super detail ones. Personal choice is performance. If a model is £150 , it should last a lifetime. The older models are still running provided they are looked after. The super detailed ones are invariably the ones that the rivet counters and ones who display them and never run them want, and fine, that’s what they want. I want locomotives that performance is good and if I want to add extra details, I will add them with the items I think are suitable. (No buffer beams fouling) . Good one Sam.

Bachmann’s mottoshould be looks or deceiving. Great vid

I prefer the Hornby one mine runs really well I'm finding on my garden layout all of my Hornby locos run well some Bachmann locos need extra weight in the tenders as they are so light and they sometimes stall due to the lack of tender pickups and I am not happy where the tender is loose from the loco especially if you have wires going to the tender I tend to drill and screw the pin so they are joined together surprised to see you had Colletts models from Exmouth where I get nearly all my models he is filled to the rafters and great prices.

I've been looking at getting a Hall Class and the precise one I'm looking at is "Witherslack Hall" (a modified hall}, Bachmann produce it but Hornby doesn't Would it be possible or a good idea if I get the Bachmann model and replace its chassis with a Hornby chassis?

Here in the States Athearn was offering a USRA Light Mikado the at the same time Trix was.

@johnd8892

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of big boy versions for Sam to compare. Athearn, Trix, BLI, MTH, Rivarossi, Tenshodo . Likely many others.

@Steamerthesteamtrain

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnd8892 The Rivarossi and Tenshodo ones are about 50 years old.

@johnd8892

2 жыл бұрын

@@Steamerthesteamtrain the Athearn Trix USRA Mikados were about 25 years old too. Rivarossi retooled in the last five years but still not as Good as the Tenshodo eighties Crown series that are easily upgradable to a better motor.

My favourite GWR 4-6-0 Class, The Hall and Modified Hall Classes, they are incredibly lovely locomotives and I have stood on the footplate of 4953 Pitchford Hall, at the Great Central Railway in 2010, and she was brilliant and they are always my favourite GWR locomotives! Can I request you to do a Hornby VS Bachmann LMS Black 5 or 8F, if you can?

Speaking in reference to the hall class. The Bachmann one for the Harry potter series which i was looking at getting is not even worth it being it has split chassis and according to Bachmann in the US is discontinued. To that surprise I would go for the Hornby one where its not prone to split chassis and has updated it to dcc ready etc. Bachmann that split chassis which I wish Bachmann never did this, but years later the fact Bachmann never changed much in the diesels I have which only one is currently running. Bachmann made a FT A unit diesel and one day my loco stopped moving. To my surprise the driveshaft connector is splitting because its on a metal piece that goes to worm gear. I had to move it back to make it connect to driveshaft . Has Bachmann changed last i looked online no which sucks.

The hornby hall did initially go into the main range with full lining etc but otherwise the same standard of detail (including molded tender handrails) and went down like a lead balloon with people who bought it as it was simultaneously in the railroad range at a far lower price…

If I could take the detail off the Bachmann Hall,(etched name and number plates included), and stick them on the Hornby one, I would.

Please make more of this type of video.

Well put together Sam and unbiased as always. I think some of the motors in many Bachmann and Hornby locos these days, are nowhere near as reliable as some of the old Tri Ang and Lima models of "yesteryear". Maybe where they are now made? Only 10 per cent is back in England again. If they make model loco engines in China the same way they make motor vehicles, no wonder models break down or struggle.

What if Hornby and bachmann would work together Bachmann make the tooling and paint the body and Hornby would design the chassis

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha it's definitely a nice dream! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

It might be interesting to do a similar experiment that also includes second-hand locos at different price points: what loco can you get at which price point: Tri-ang loco, old Hornby/Bachmann loco, modern locos with budget DC, detailed DC, DCC, and DCC sound. Probably most easily done with a very common loco, like the A4, or the Scotsman. Alternatively: set a budget of, say, 200 GBP to buy a passenger train of a kind that has general appeal and explore what you can get: just the loco, second-hand loco plus coaches, maybe even a complete train set? Is digital possible? Is sound possible? All relevant questions that buyers face unless they have an unlimited budget. You might be able to do these by looking up prices online, but demonstrate locos from your own collection. You seem to have a very wide range.

24:04 i saw some wheel slip from the hornby i had to slow it down

I think I have an idea, get a Hogwarts Castle loco and a second hand Bachmann Hall and transplant the best of both worlds into one loco, you get decent performance with aesthetic detail to match, and because it's Hornby you can use the DCC sound decoder specific to the Hall class

So when are you doinga frankentrain and combine the best part of each of these?

Thanks Sam. Do you take into account the availability of spares at any point? Trying to get Bachmann parts is a nightmare.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha is that so? I've never tried to get any Bachmann spares... I just know they're ludicrously expensive (£20 for a 3 pole motor) ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Thankyou for this comparison Sam.. For me, there is no contest. Hornby all the way, especially as I followed your 2019 video and secured Adderley Hall for £49.00 from Hattons. Phew! What a bargain. All the best..

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

It's a pleasure Martin - and fantastic - that really was an incredible model for the price! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great video as always Mr Warwell! Of course the real winner is the Tri-ang Hall!

@ThomasZoey3000

2 жыл бұрын

I can agree with that as I have one. Albert Hall is from Tri-ang, and it's the best classic model I have in my collection.

@thatmodellingbloke

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasZoey3000 Mine is extremely reliable, It never goes wrong.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha thank you! And absolutely... the unsung hero of this video! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam, very interesting, bit tight but Hornby get my vote, (what about class 37 ??) All the Best Brian 🤗

I can't help myself, I wanted the Hornby to win. No excuse for parting lines at this price point regardless of the superior finish of the Bachmann. If only Hornby would pull their socks up and stop resting on shrivelled laurels... Thanks Sam as always for an interesting review.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

haha I don't blame you - I'm very tired of Bachmann churning out these old relics for ludicrous sums of money!! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I believe there’s a flaw in how you weigh the engines. The weight of the coal car should be excluded or even treated as a negative. The weight of the coal car doesn’t add to the weight over the wheels which are pulling, so it doesnt contribute to the number of cars the engine can pull. In fact, it just adds to the load.

@johnd8892

2 жыл бұрын

A good point I also could not convince Sam of years ago. Some Hornby coal tenders are so heavy and poor rolling that the train hauling capacity is reduced significantly. I reduce tender weight with success.

You should compere the latest mechanism of both hornby and bachmann

I have both Bachmann and Hornby BR Standard Class 4. There is no doubt that the Hornby mechanism is better.

No question about it Hornby is the one, its a loco that works.

the animation with sam with the camerea is quite funny

good vid keep up the good vids stay safe lee

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lee - you too my friend! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nice i would imagine bachmann re tooling their hall class in 2030 maybe

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

That'd be cool! It probably will be a few years off as you say... too many Halls about at the moment! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hornby for me Sam especially as i bought it new from Hattons two maybe three years ago for under £60,i still do not own any Bachmann loco's as the prices they charge is amazing! I would rather have a cheaper loco that runs better but may lack a bit of detail over a better looking finish etc that doesn't run as well.Great review though Sam how about doing the same sort of review for a Class 37?

Hornby’s the winner for me Sam … plus … I would never spend over a hundred on a loco … just can’t afford it … good idea for this video Sam, Best Wishes, Nige 🙏

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Nigel - yeah that's fair! Particularly when they're not worth more than £100 ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Triang made the Best Hall ,My 1966 version, Made in Great Britain it still pulls 10 coaches at speed and it still has all its detail it was manufactured with rather than it loose half its detail the first time out of its box .

@SamsTrains

7 ай бұрын

They were certainly the most robust and reliable!

Hornby and Bachmann both announced a Hall class mid to late 90s. Model Rail talked Hornby into making a Grange instead which they did. Later , Hornby bought out a Hall as well.

hi Sam I have hornbys rood ashton Hall which is a main range hall class not railroad

The visual does look better but I would rather have the Hornby Hall because of how it runs, so I would say the Hornby Hall wins.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Don - yeah I think I'm probably with you on that one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Interesting comparisons which bear out what we know about Hornby making better mechanisms but not always the best detail. The moulding line along the top of the boiler is inadvertently accurate as the boiler cladding on locos joins at the top and creates that effect, just not that proud. It should certainly not be smooth as it would suggest one piece cladding. Tractive effort is influenced not just by power and weight but also the friction coefficient of the wheel rims which may be made of different materials. Controller setting of 50% is not the most accurate way to judge performance due to different gearing. You need the locos travelling at the same speed heading into the curves to judge their relative performance.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot John - yeah this is a pretty good example of that... quite representative of what the two brands produce generally! And that's fair - thanks for sharing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Very interesting video today Sam I would have to go for the hornby one because it is a better performer

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot James - yeah that's fair - by far the best performer! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

My solution: get 00Neal to repaint the Hornby model to look like the bachmann one (and use the Bachman etched plates)

Hi Sam, Doing an 'oily rag' weathering on the Hornby and you get a top notch loco. And as always: a better mechanism is the right choice. Nobody likes stalling loco's and poor electrical pick-up. Viva Hornby !! Again you demonstrate Bachmann's overpriced mediocre products. Thanks for this review - appreciated and 'agréable' to watch !

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

That's very true - weathering would definitely bring the Hornby to life wouldn't it? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’ve not bothered to watch the video Sam but I knew that hornby would win wow it’s like hornby have never made a bad model

Bachmann all the way, I have 2 a modified hall and a normal hall, both are absolutely stunning locomotives, with zero faults and amazing runners. Hornby Hall classes from my experience have been tatty, cheap and not detailed enough even for £110 RRP. And the fact they only make them in the Railroad range let's that down alot.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Matthew - glad you've been happy with your Bachmann models! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I am sure the Hornby Hall did end up in the main range under the design clever idea as I do have the catalogue. Still the new Hornby Hall class is a great looking model for the money.

My hall is a bachmann split chassis modified hall, like the one shown. The details may be different because its a 6969 class, not a 4900 class. I've had to replace one of the valve sliders, and the body screw isn't engaging, but it runs ok. I will be after a 4900 class hall at some point, and probably would go for the hornby one. I agreee that it was probably a design clever loco that was demoted to railroad (for which they mustve just ditched painting the cab to save money). The bachmann one has a better shade of green (hornby's GWR/BR greens are never right and are getting worse (a2/2...)), but the mechanism isnt as good. Very surprised hornby's lacked proper bearings, but tbh with hornby's record I doubt it would make much difference. A great video. How about one comparing the new bachmann and slw 24s, or the bachmann and heljan and slw 25s? Or the new bachmann and heljan 47s? And comparing the hornby/cavalex/accurascale HAAs when the latter two are released like you did with the PO wagons? (I just got 3 hornby HAAs with canopies, so I can get the same models from the other two manufacturers later) Your analogy is mostly ok, but the camera would have to cost around £4k now to mirror the fact that new models double in price every 10 years.

This video justified what I been saying about Bachman they are great looking engines and have a lot of detail but no backbone . Their mechanisms are out of date and their prices are to high . Some of us in this hobby do not have unlimited funds to buy trains. I feel sorry for the young people who like to get into this hobby. Keep these great videos coming me and my grandson really enjoy them.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Louis - yeah it's a pretty good example of exactly that isn't it? Quite a common story with Bachmann sadly! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I can’t make up my mind to choose between performance and detail. I wouldn’t want a perfectly performing square box, nor would I want a great detailed model that stops/ derails/ can’t pull. (But I can’t afford a $300 to $600 engine)

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you John - though given the recent prices, we shouldn't have to choose between performance and detail... we should get plenty of both as a bear minimum! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Imagine keeping bachmamns hall shell and cylinders with hornby's mechanism

Hornby A4 pacific VS Bachmann A4 pacific

Hi sam Hope you are well? In the Bachmann cab they was very very lazy with the painting. This is a great video fantastic idea Any chance of A4 vs as you got hornby Bachmann dapol. Or 08 Keep safe arp

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you're well too mate! Yeah not the greatest cab! I don't have the Dapol A4 sadly, otherwise that'd be great! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@AdiPullen

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains heard the dapol a4s a fault as hell and cost a bomb too

Where is your power as distance will affect the performance further awy from power point ?

@CustomiZe_

2 жыл бұрын

He has a power point where he films the crawling parts and a power point behind his desk which is at the other side of the layout so I don't think voltage drop is a problem. Controllers also run on 1amp which is plenty enough

Two categories - 1) Display only - Bachmann; 2) Performance - Hornby by far hands down.

The performance must be due to the difference in the motors and gearing. I wonder if it is possible to fit the Hornby motor into the Bachmann loco?

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think so! It's something I'm going to have a stab at - now I have a 3D printer I may be able to make motor mountings for better motors! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@alanhaynes4576

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains Great idea for another video. Fitting a Hornby motor into a Bachmann or other makers locos. I always wondered if it could be done and technically I don't see why not. I guess the shaft diameter and length of the motors will be the determining factors. Looking forward to it. I always thought the old Tri-ang motors were pretty reliable even for a 3 pole. As long as you cleaned the commutators and brushes occasionally they just seemed to go and go. These Hornby 5 pole seem to be much better, which they should be given they are a much newer design.

I just love the hall class

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

How long does a tooling last for an UK locomotive? Roco decided to replace the Br38 they inherited from Fleischmann this year after some 40 years of service.

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

Oh they can last a crazy long time - they become hideously outdated long before the tools wear out... unless they're poor quality tools maybe? The 1962 Tri-ang B12 was produced by Hornby long into the 2000s, so we're talking a good 40 years there too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

hi sam interesting video. bachmann seem to be able to make fine diesel locos and not so good steam locos.for me i think the hornby is the one to have or two for the price of the bachmann. cheers tom.

I wonder if Sam is holding that Hornby class 66 review back for Halloween… It sounds scary

@SamsTrains

2 жыл бұрын

It's coming very soon... and it is scary! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)