I know this is a result of the whole Kickstarter bloat thing, but its crazy to me that the big boss of this game isn't a Thunderjaw. It's like playing a Jurassic Park game where the final boss is a velociraptor instead of a T-rex.

@Claymanfilms

3 жыл бұрын

I hope the Kick starter wave 2 of all the extra miniatures ads to the game, also I got the Thunderjaw expansion.

@3dreamsequence

3 жыл бұрын

@@Claymanfilms that's probably why the base game only had Sawtooth so that you'd buy the expansions

@pst5345

2 жыл бұрын

Well that is kind of the point. The Faro machines and the Thunderjaw will be endgame I assume..... unless this game finds its own end earlier.

@pavarottiaardvark3431

2 жыл бұрын

I get *why* they made the Sawtooth the Core Boss - it's one of the first combat machines you encounter in the video game - but yeah it was the wrong choice. There's plenty of dangerous beasts they could have used, even if they wanted to save Thunderjaws and Rockbreakers for expansions, and Snapjaws and Stormbirds for air/water add-ons.... you've STILL got Tramplers, Scorchers, and Stalkers.

Wait, there's a Horizon Zero Dawn board game? ...Oh.

Dramatic Chipmunk will FOREVER be fresh.

@RulebooksForYou

3 жыл бұрын

I confirm, it's fresh.

I think you guys have missed a couple core rules. When you're attacked you have to dodge roll away. So even though the machines will attack you, you do have the ability to dodge roll towards another hunter and leave them the machines target. Also, in all the games I've played I've never had a player throw away all of their cards in an attack unless they do it was going to get them glory and they would be able to continue on. Like you said with fine print, when you faint you lose all your glory. And glory is kind of the point. A player who is the only one to faint is almost certainly going to lose the round. Also you can't do actions twice. So you're incorrect when you said your character could melee twice. Also you can't trigger more than one ability card on a move. So you can't dump continual moves into an action. Also, I don't know why you guys think a video game board game requires ease of access. People who play video games are capable of critical thinking and understanding complicated rule books. there's a giant overlap between board gamers and video gamers. With the Oseram you also don't get glory for setting each thing on fire. You get glory if you set something on fire on your turn. So an AOE fire attack will not get you nine glory. It will get you one. The cards that make machines non-alert that people are talking about are in the expansions. They were future-proofing the game. with some of the rules. Which I realized means very little right now. It is confusing. Ultimately, I don't think the game is nearly as bad as you make it out to be, And that's probably because the rules you got wrong you really got wrong. But I do agree with a lot of your criticisms and find the game underwhelming. From scenario one to scenario five the feel is very similar. There's no real sense that your hunter is improving in a meaningful way. Or that the machines are getting stronger/smarter.

@NoPunIncluded

3 жыл бұрын

It's true, we made some rules errors and whilst normally I would be concerned about that, I'd say here our misinterpretations only make the game more exciting. In most cases, the fact that the game works not how we perceived it is an even bigger disappointment.

@NoPunIncluded

3 жыл бұрын

Also, some of these are just assumptions. We very much known how dodge works, we simply neglected to mention it as we don't cover the rules in full. The proposed scenario isn't out of the realm of possibility. I know this, because it happened (even with dodge).

@IamKnucks

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoPunIncluded @No Pun Included Fair enough. I guess presenting it as the common occurrence when it's probably a rare occurrence would be my nitpick. I could see Dodge failing, but in over 20 games with four players each time I've never had that experience. So my sample size isnt insignificant when I claim it's probably not a common occurrence. I do agree some of the rule misinterpretations would make the game more exciting. Dumping a ton of cards on the table to do a giant lavish attack is pretty exciting. But also game breaking.

@NoPunIncluded

3 жыл бұрын

But that part relating to attacks wasn't really critique, we were just relaying some game elements. Overall, we flubbed a few things, yes, but nothing that ultimately makes me rethink our experience in any meaningful way.

@IamKnucks

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoPunIncluded haha, Fair enough. The game certainly has its flaws And when all is said and done I have to admit it feels like the creators missed the mark. With any luck the expansions will meaningfully flesh out the game.

When you hear Elaine say “you know what’s even more fun?!” If NPI says a game is bad, I don’t touch it with a 6 foot pole

@AngryCheezburger303

3 жыл бұрын

Eh, they didn't like Tainted Grail either and that game was generally loved by most people who played it. They're still stating an opinion, not an objective truth.

Having played Dark Souls the board game, I did not expect good things from this review. Hearing the words semi-cooperative added to the feeling that the game won't be good. Yea...

Loving these videos at 50 fps! As always, great production on your reviews

Here's the thing, the appeal (at least to me, YMMV) of HZD is the story and Aloy's journey of discovery of her origin and the absolutely superbly done slow reveal of the history of the world. Killing machines is just one of the means to those ends so you have enough resources and XP to make it to the end. This board game reduces the gameplay to one, relatively insignificant aspect of the video game,

At this point, every time I see a kickstarter project full of miniatures, I immediately expect that it's going to be an underdeveloped mess. On top of that, these games end up flooding the market at the expense of the entire industry.

@LangJones

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it looks like you're right.

@BrentARJ

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. They eat up all the press, people blow hundreds of dollars they could have spent on smaller publishers who care about making good games, and they're so "successful" at getting funded that everyone else rushes in to do the same thing, only exacerbating the problem.

@LangJones

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdamJorgensen good point.

@StefanoDiSilvio

3 жыл бұрын

​@@AdamJorgensen I'm speaking more in general terms. At the moment, the number of games that come out is growing exponentially and several publishers are lamenting how the trend is hurting them. Because the market is so crowded, games have a very short lifespan and rarely get a second print run. The problem is then exacerbated by the current influx of KS games... which I personally find particularly negative, especially since so many of them seem to be only 80% complete from a design point of view. That's why I say that these KS projects hurt the industry: they flood an already crowded market and most of them aren't polished as they could/should be.

@nHautamaki

3 жыл бұрын

Why is this? developing and printing miniatures is a big expense and tons of work; you'd think that when going to that much work, designing an actual fun game to play with them would be the easier part.

I laughed way way too hard at the wooden spoon at the end.... will say no more for fear of spoilers but that was a great touch...

This was so entertaining! Well done. I wanted to go all in on this game because the game is one of my favorites and the minis were so awesome looking. But the gameplay just felt lackluster and this just proves it. Thanks for helping me know I was right not to back it. And I so feel the ending! LOL Dice Tower spent most of their review of my game Fossilis talking about it's shortcomings only to score it 7 and 8's. Which was great, but it would have been nice for them to talk more about the positives as well if they ultimately enjoyed it.

Thanks for the honest reviews. I went a bit crazy a few years ago and started backing a lot of board games on kickstarter. Lots of minis and a great IP's, how could they fail... this was yet another one I went fully in on. Ouch. I guess I'm gonna be making a lot of my own house rules to enjoy this one!

@EvaLahalle

2 жыл бұрын

What is IPs?

@eitangrinboju5400

4 ай бұрын

So how is it the game ?

I mainly got it for the minatures. Hopefully the community will come up house rules to make it better. Also, the expansions might give us some interesting battles. Good review! Great job with the spoon!

@Farstr1d3r

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah...I agree it’s a 7-7.5 rating on this game, assuming the 7/10 at the end was legit and not just part of the Dice Tower schtick. It needs more baddies to fight, but the core mechanics with 4players is actually a lot of fun. It might seem unbalanced on the Osseram side with the fire bits, but I’m pretty sure the extra glory is only applicable to a machine that’s not already on fire and 2, you can’t do the same action twice, so I’m not sure how they’re doing double attacks with fire damage in the first place with that Hunter. Not to mention you can’t toss a trap (Osseram’s base range weapon) into a space with a machine anyway...you have to place the trap in another space and then lure the machine into it, or hope it pops in there for some other reason, which takes strategy and timing to pull off. So...how they’re pulling off a double attack on multiple monsters with double fire and gaining that much glory, is a remote oilier of something that’s possible and/or beyond me. If you did all the setup to make that happen, take your glory...you earned it!

I'm really happy to see ye doing board game reviews again ye went off the deep end there for a while.

I know you're just joking but "the lower arts" kinda hurt a little

@ViperaRaddei

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I almost stopped playback at that one... It was a cheap shot.

@BOAiak

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikolajwitkowski8093 Leave it to a board games comment section of all things to find such pretentious people.

@jccusell

3 жыл бұрын

@@BOAiak my experience is that board game aficionados are tge most pretentious, arrogant and elitist people around. Yoi have amazing computer games that give vastly deep experiences.

Thanks for your really enjoyable reviews as always 😊

I just love the look of this game, and I wanted the game badly! But I reminded myself that it could be that the box is nice with no other redeeming features... Your review helped me to feel that I did the right choice.

This review has saved me a lot of money. Thank you

Thanks for the insightful review. Great as always and glad now that I didn't back it. Also makes it easier to not back Bardsung because I still haven't seen a great boardgame from SFG. I also think you forgot to link your patreon page in the Description (really glad to see you guys have already a great number of patreons! You deserve it).

@NoPunIncluded

3 жыл бұрын

Good catch! Thank you very much.

I enjoyed painting the minis for Dark Souls greatly. I’m a huge fan of the IP so getting to see actual representations of things I like was cool. The game itself sucks balls though. I’ve played it once and probably will never play it again. I’m keeping it for the miniatures though. Could be used for a rpg campaign or something

I feel like the main box's easy enemies are due to Steamforged wanting to charge £40 for each monster expansion.

"Sword & Sorcery" is absolutely great if you can live with the playtime and some GUI fiddliness. Although I must mention that I find "Rising Sun" to be really interesting.

Guys, I just love your videos. This one is smart and honest. Thanks

It just sounds like it needed more time to be developed? I was hoping for some forgiving kind of Kingdom Death multi monster gameplay but with a simple set up and play process maybe. I don't understand how they didn't play it themselves and fix the floors?

Loved the review!

omg that was so funny! TY guys, amazing review!

Finally, an actual review!

After seeing more of these kickstarter games riddled with miniatures I see how lucky I am, as I bought a couple of these style of games on a whim because "minis good, dice good' and those were Death May Die and LOTR JiME, which are both fucking awesome

@118bone

3 жыл бұрын

@@pcuimac Yeah NPI did so as well I believe. But I found that it ticked all my boxes anyways

Is this printing you have from the Kickstarter? The "first printing", if you will? I've heard mixed things about the company's miniature quality, but here they seem pretty good. Knowing if they got it right straight away or if they had to do a reprint first would be very helpful to me in evaluating their future work (quality wise). Thanks!

@NoPunIncluded

3 жыл бұрын

We did not back this game, and our copy was sent to us by a distributor rather than the publisher. I presume this is the printing of whatever goes out to shops and I have no idea whether it's any different from anything else.

@RandoFromMars

3 жыл бұрын

@@pcuimac Thanks for the tip, but I was mostly concerned with the sculpts. I remember seeing some pictures of those little mech guys that just lacked a ton of detail. Here they look good tho, so I was trying to figure out what was going on. ​ @No Pun Included Thanks for letting me know!

Thanks for the review. This is easily a game I could have been completely sold on reading rules and checking out. I just hate when I go in to that mode and get that hype game and it falls flat. Thumbs up.

Are you going to review Etherfields? I really liked it and hoped you would compare it to Tainted grail which I have not played

That mid-review smirk by Elaine during the setup was pure gold. Thanks, you two, for taking the time to film a negative review. I still find them useful and entertaining.

@kaijuh

Жыл бұрын

From everything I've seen, they ONLY film negative reviews which is fine, we need haters in this hype industry lol

I was sceptical about backing this when it was live in Kickstarter and thought it would be better to have more reviews when it would hit retail. I was not convinced from the gameplay they presented and I am now glad I didn’t. Pity as HZD is my favourite game of all times. Other than that, Awesome review! Really funny. Had a blast watching it.

Random, unbalanced card draw, dice chucking, and poorly conceived semi-coop play - lazy design at its finest. I say lazy, but the sad part is that it looks like a ton of work went into making this game.

@fy8798

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. It shares a lot with the Dark Souls game they also did - in a sense, this feels less like its own game, and more like an iteration of that, with semi-coop and victory points thrown in. Even the entire turn structure feels the same, with the way enemies activate. I wouldn't call it lazy per se, but it certainly doesn't feel creative, clever, or fun.

@downtimegaming5655

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like whoever worked in the graphic design department did a stellar job, it all looks amazing. Though also looks like whoever works in the gameplay design department should probably no longer do so.

@jibi4820

3 жыл бұрын

this is exactly how i feel about nemesis but dont tell anyone

@Melinikus

3 жыл бұрын

I notice no one mentioned anything about play testing this game and having played this game I can confirm no one could have play tested this game who had any idea what a board game was :(

@papagarouge

3 жыл бұрын

Well the campaign overall was quite lazy. I never felt that in touch with development of game or where they were at in the development. Glad i didnt throw more money at this game just to get it 6 months to a year earlier lol which is still a long way off from what it was supposed to be. I accept that a being part of KS but this campaign was ridiculous. Well lesson learned. No more backing SF on KS. Sad to hear they are making monster hunter. Maybe i should back primal instead then. Probably alot safer given the positive reviews thus far.

Thank you for the review! I backed the Kickstarter for minis to paint, with the idea that even if the game is bad I could use them for my own HZD homebrew. I've loved working with the minis so far. I'm sad to see the game didn't deliver what the designers intended. Hopefully the cooperative campaign they're delivering later will be better.

@twentysides

3 жыл бұрын

But yeah, any designers who are trying to do "semi-coop" need to really playtest that to make sure they're not just making a broken competitive game. I'm not convinced that happened here.

@Farstr1d3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@twentysides - but really, the only thing making this ‘semi’ co-op is the possibility of the whole scenario failing if there are too many faints...house rule this out and just play full competitive, or just play full co-op and eliminate the competitive angle altogether. I feel the difficulty of balancing your actions to benefit you while keeping the other hunters distracted with the machines and taking advantage of any opportunities that arise but not SO MUCH that the other hunters die....leads to some fun strategy. My kids and my game group enjoy it and that’s enough for me.

1:49 - Ahhh... SPIRE: The City Must Fall!!! Awesome RPG one of my favs! It needs more love and buzz, althou I gather it's not for everyone, but the world is amazing and the mechanics are just genius.

Thank you for this review. The vidoe game was one of the greatest games I've ever played. I so wanted to walk out of the game store when I saw this massive box. Not that I have a ton of cash on hand but so wouldn't have cared about dropping 100 at that moment. Later yes but the want of good game from something I loved was strong. After watching this so glad I didn't waste all that cash.

What a wonderful way to close the review! I laughed so hard. This review is: excellent!!

@number3729

3 жыл бұрын

Are they taking a shot at the dice tower?

@Farstr1d3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@number3729 yeah...a silly one, IMO. Cheap laughs are just that...cheap. Mildly redeemed by the text overlay during the outro due to the self admitted bad form. Lol.

Backed HZD and added on a couple of the expansions. I agree the core game really does feel like it's missing a big boss ending. You play these very short encounters to get you levelled up and ready, but as they say in the review the last encounter isn't really much different. I'm hoping with the Thunderjaw expansion it'll be a much better experience. Only played it solo so far, which I thought worked well enough. Was probably too easy but I enjoyed it at least....

@Farstr1d3r

3 жыл бұрын

I played solo and it was ‘ok’. I’ve since played 3p and 4p campaigns and they’re much more fun with a fair amount of strategic depth for me and my game group. I give this a solid 7-7.5 rating...a good game, but needs more for the money in the core box. I’m hoping the rest of the all-in pledge solves that next year and I have a feeling that when more big bads are delivered, this is going to hit my table even more than it does now. I disagree with NPI...this is a good game, delivers on its premise, albeit I do feel there’s a bit missing and there’s not enough in the core box to keep me occupied until the rest of the all in content arrives. Most importantly, where H:ZD is my #1 video game of all time, this delivers a very similar feel on the table top. It’s not my #1 tabletop game, but it is a good amount of fun. Not to mention...the minis are pretty decent for SFG and they look amazing painted...CANNOT WAIT FOR THE THUNDERJAW. I find that the difficulty of the semi-co-op lies in trying to keep the other hunters busy/distracted enough while you snag glory points, but not so terribly busy/distracted that you can’t complete the scenarios and get the much needed resources so you can defeat the big bad. If you can’t handle that/don’t play that way, then just play in full co-op mode for the storyline and the fun. I feel like every NPI review I’ve watched is negative and craps on the game at hand, which has led me to realize we just don’t have the same tastes and that’s ok. Rising Sun, Tainted Grail and Cloudspire...all in my collection and Rising Sun is my #1 game. If this is a 7/10 for them, I’d hate to see what a review on a 5 or a 6 would look like. It’s ok for a game to just be ‘ok’. I really like this IP, so I decided to watch this particular review, fully expecting the negativity, to see if they’d point out anything I happened to agree with....but, once again, the answer is ‘not really’. It’s still a fun game and I’ll continue enjoying it with my kids and my gaming group.

Did you two work in a track and trace analogy AND a basenji? Aw. I love you guys.

@armstronghawkins9183

3 жыл бұрын

ohhh...not a basenji. #ohwell

@NoPunIncluded

3 жыл бұрын

Bessie is a Jack Russell.

Great review. Very enjoyable to watch. I don’t agree with your final assessment. But totally respect your opinions and see where you are coming from. I just personally felt the excitement I felt from the rule book like you translated directly to the game as you do exactly what it says? Although I 100% agree on the issues around semi coop.

Brutal honesty. love it!

HZD was a favorite of mine. I waited a long time to play it because open world isn't normally my jam but this looked fun and friends told me it was well worth the play. Fun world, interesting characters, and a generally fun gameplay loop (I hated item management, especially in the beginning when I started tossing stuff I'd need later to make ammo lol). I really wanted to back this one, but held off when people mentioned SteamForged games weren't the hottest and it sounds like I made the right choice. I'll just look forward to Horizon Forbidden West

Hmm how about, if you just throw in more monsters? Ive played it solo, and found it way to easy (just one hero) Next time, im gonna play it with the 3-4 player settings (*2 monsters) Any1 tried to just double up the Machines (and jeg play it as a coop game)?

@williamsrensen8618

3 жыл бұрын

BTW the miniatures are all 28 mm - imo all to small and a shame. The Heroes looks good, and are of an better quality than the machines. They really need to ramp up the machines to 32-35 mm and cast them in the same plastic as the Heroes...

8:02 the chipmunk meme was worth the price of admission by itself. The great game review was just a bonus. ; )

best random video I've seen in a while. sounds like this game could really use some community rules and mods

Hey Elaine, I don’t think the Oseram guy works that way. The card says “when an attack... applies 🔥 to one or more enemies...” It doesn’t give you 3 glory for one attack dealing fire to 3 people, just 1.

@MaxwellDangerS

3 жыл бұрын

Fireforged does work the way you’re saying, though, so 1 glory per round still sounds pretty unfair.

I've never felt unwelcome to a video, but I love it

Hello, I am looking for a new game - thank you for this review. Without it I would maybe buy this game :D But still I have an idea - when it is semi-cooperative game, is it possible to play on teams? 2vs2? In that case 2 players could cooperate and attack together. Since the game support competing between each other, we can still compete in teams. Of course we would have to set the higher stats of enemies. Would the game work more in this settup? Is there anything from expansions, which would help this game? Thank you for sharing ideas :)

@NoPunIncluded

Жыл бұрын

I would not recommend this game under any circumstance. Hope that clears things up.

I very nearly just bought this as it is cheep on Amazon, just over £60. So thank you for an excellent review and for saving me £60. I have seen your stuff before and enjoyed but for some reason never subscribed. I am now a subscriber and looking forward to going through your back catalogue. Great work guys, keep it up. 🤔 Now do I have a spare £60 to spend that you just saved me🤔

That fire dude reminds me of the one tribe in Teotihuacan which gets an extra point every time they score one or more points. I won the game handily even when grouping points together whenever it made sense, then checked the FAQ after and it specifically shows not to do that and to get +1 every time. Love the other modules from the teo expansion but not the tribes.

The ending was the most devastating burn I've seen in the history of board game reviewer youtube crossover jokes.

Absolutely terrible game, you only need to look at the SFG's track record to know it's going to be bad. They cannot make games and try to jump on the miniature train and hype of the IP to gain sales. They start numerous other Kickstarter campaigns to pay for the promises made on the ones before. Unfortunately I learnt my lesson with Dark Souls, a game that needs so many house rules to make it bearable, thankfully the amazing community on BGG have put together their own rule set, just need to some time and take a deep breath before trying again. Thank you for the entertaining review as always and keep up the great work.

@korofrog

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I had high hopes for Dark Souls myself. I've got such a huge backlog of games though that I haven't even played it but looked at a lot of reviews. This does not make me happy that SFG got the rights to make a Monster Hunter board game.

Ok the doggy needs to be added in all reviews now cause it is addorable.

Ha, I was thinking right up until the mid-review turnaround(TM) that you seemed to be rather enthusiastic about this game but nothing you'd said up to that point made the game look particularly compelling. I'm really not sure why you're hopes were particularly high going into it to begin with, especially given your reaction to other minis games.

I gave them the minimum to open the PM To me but never pledged due to a lack of information about the game in time for me to decide to go all-in. Instead I didn't go in at all. Thank you for going over this in detail.

Finally 4k quality, Elaine's colorful sweater makes better use of my TV than 90% of all TV shows 👍👍 great video as always, game looks cool (not as cool as the video game though)

Just bought this because it was going cheap and for the miniatures. Sorry Ive not looked but do the expansions make the game better at all? Ill probably still buy them for the figure too.

Man this is so sad. The publisher is also going to bring Monster Hunter boardgame to kickstarter in the first half of 2021, and because I love those games I am (was) quite hyped. I hope they take in all the feedback & reviews and learn from it. In any case this video was a lot of fun to watch! Thank you guys :D

@3dreamsequence

3 жыл бұрын

They have several playthrough videos of MHW:TBG now. It seems pretty smooth. I'm currently doing research on their previous games to figure out if mechanics and concepts have been improved since previous games.

What a shocking twist at the end! Here I was, thinking that you didn’t like the game at all!

Got it of KS and I must agree. So far I played it solo and the challenge dropped really fast even with one player. The tiger radar also confused me and the minis,... we complained about them already during the campaign.

What is this amazing chipmunk meme? I must spread it around the internet!

One of my coworkers(who loves to pledge KS games only to sell them after he's disappointed) mentioned this game a few months back with such hype, hoping that I'll reinforce his enthusiasm, since I am a huge huge fan of the PS4 game. I had the feeling that this is going to be another miniature cashgrab, just because how difficult it is to translate an excellent game mechanic(stalking and hunting the machines in-game with traps and arrows) to a tabletop environment, where you lose all dynamic aspects of that combat. In order for this to be successful, they would have needed to recreate the same tension with dice and card interactions, which very difficult to do in a boardgame setting. Shame to see the IP squandered like this, but hey, Forbidden West is out June 2021.

It is absolutely legal to for more than one enemy to be in the same space at the same time. it's only the "huge machines" (Sawtooth and Shellwalker in base game) that can't share a space with another huge machine. The issue with being attacked four times in a row shouldn't be a fatal one. Remember you must "dodge" (move one space) after every enemy attack. This combined with the fact that machines target the most recently activated hunter makes it very easy move to a position where you won't be attacked. You are right that, it needs to make up its mind if it's co-op or competitive. There are a lot of mechanics that would work well for co-op, but co-op mode is trash. The rule book is also trash. I have no idea what you were talking about with this one. Slogging through it, I found myself having to flip back an forth referencing aspects of the same mechanic in totally different parts of the manual, or getting in depth descriptions of cards that I don't know how to play yet. (I don't blame you for missing a couple rules. I'd have missed much more if it weren't for the many BGG threads on the subject.) It may be the HZD fan-boy in me, but overall I enjoy the board game. Leveling up your gear, building a deck, and racing your opponent to kill the most machines I think is fun. The board game is nowhere near the caliber of the video game, and far from the best board game I've played, but far from the worst as well.

Can this be played on Series X table?

Loved it. Please do a review of Bardsung :-) It really looks like a very bland game, but everyone's been so kind to it in their "Kickstarter previews".

@Mantuga

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I really, really can't understand what all the hype is about for that one

@williamsrensen8618

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mantuga Haha me neither! But I will get it, just for the miniatures, and hope its a solid game...

@Hieronymus-Pseudonymous

3 жыл бұрын

They can't do a review of a product that hasn't been released. Or are you asking them to do that review next year?

@TheRealAlexBowser

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hieronymus-Pseudonymous I'm asking for a review as soon as they can get a copy (please, Efka?). Bardsung looked to have some fascinating ideas (like Horizon), such as the procedurally generated dungeons and the big-name writers on board. NPI's reviews are both hilarious and detailed enough that I can get a really good feel for the game, and I'd love to see them cover it.

17:45 ye. I had the same problem with waste land delivery express. In more than one situations, i spend a lot of turn to gain nothing just for bad luck, wile you see your opponents going closer to his/her objectives, reaching the end of the game... Yeah, Pretty fun

I actually genuinely like this game quite a bit. It has issues, but it's still really fun. That said, the "semi-coop" really isn't a thing. It is competitive. Saying otherwise ignores the mechanisms and goal of the game. Playing full co-op is alright, but it requires some home-brew to make it even a bit challenging. The developer has said that the expansions coming next year will provide much higher difficulty, but it should have been an option in the base game.

Sigh I hoped SFG might break their streak but sadly sounds like that's not the case. Shame because Horizon Zero Dawn deserves much better.

@Melinikus

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheErnieforss Keep in mind SFG had the brilliant idea to make an app so you could make your own cards in Bardsung and I thought "Hey, that's pretty clever." Then I realized they did this so you could fix the game that they know/will know is awful, untested and ultimately rubbish :( Spoiler alert, I am not backing Bardsung (self high five!)

You saved me $100 at my local game store tonight. This made me laugh super hard to boot. Thanks!

I knew this game would suck going into the review and I’m glad you confirmed my thoughts

It's really great to know that I'm not the only person out there that sees all the flaws in this game! Great review, thank you.

Great video!

18:00 It seems like it's 1 glory point per fire-generating event, not per enemy burned. So in the example of jumping in at 3 dinos and burning them twice, he'd get 2 glory. Still quite a lot but not as insane.

Question: if you ever start eating board games, will you review how they taste?

Damn, I'm a board gamer and loved Horizon the video game so backed this. Being positive, I really hope the expansions balance this out to the point coop is exciting.

Very upsetting that SFG is making a Monster Hunter board game, with how everything went for HZD and Dark Souls.... :(

@donbooger

3 жыл бұрын

Yet lots of people will throw there money at it. Steamforged have given yet more proof with HZD that they do not not know how to make boardgames fun, there operation is to get the big IPs and let that make the money.

@AhSoul

3 жыл бұрын

@@donbooger I'm following Bardsung atm which is interesting in that it's their own IP. Certainly seems to be going well as a campaign and doesn't have a big name to hang itself on

@rdot8419

3 жыл бұрын

Primal The Awakening will be more monster hunter than the Monster Hunter board game. I dont have high hopes for the actual Monster Hunter board game.

@taylorkowbel7078

3 жыл бұрын

@@rdot8419 Im intrigued by primal, but really going to need some good gameplay videos before I back it. The pie board just doesnt capture my excitement as much, and at first glance the card system seems like tainted grail, and I wasnt that big a fan of that style of conflict resolution, got very samey after a while.

@Dratio

3 жыл бұрын

As of right now the closest you're going to get to Monster Hunter in a board game is Kingdom Death. It's expensive and merciless, but deeply thematic and fun.

Super excited I did not back this game. I felt iffy about its game to board game translation. I'm glad to know I wasn't wrong.

I really might buy this just for the miniatures

I loved the Dice Tower reference. It made me laugh a lot. Thank you for that.

SOoooooo glad, I cancelled on last day, was all in, but after getting a question about gameplay answered in a shrug type of reply, my confidance dropped, and I was lucky to cancel the KS in time. Plus side, You can eat HZ and at least you get some value from it.

We really enjoyed it, but... we played it on full co op mode as we could see just from reading the rules that semi co op wouldnt work.

Steamforged Games: "I DECLARE (this game) SEMI-COOPERATIVE"

20:45 I was watching this thinking... 'Hey this seems to have some of the same problems as Dark Souls' and then... oh.

love the heroes of land air and sea burn.

I would say that Horizons, the video game, strongest feature is its storyline. It’s a fascinating, and ultimately, deeply dramatic one. Not sure how much I would care about the universe without that story.

Whew. Thank goodness I watched this. My daughter loves Horizon, my daughter loves board games. I was thinking this would win me parent of the century, but there's no way she'd have the patience for this. For the price I might have cried lol

You should give Rising Sun another play. My group loves that game. It's actually quite easy to learn and play, but hard to master. My favorite part about the game is how many avenues there are for winning. It's not just all combat all the time. Anyway, good review, although a little on the long side for me.

We have just gotten confirmation that Tom has watched this review...

My wife went all in on this game because she loves the video game. I haven't played the co-op variant yet. But just like I warned my wife, and the developers. It turns out semi-coop is still a blatant lie. I had a moment in a game where my wife was winning, and the smart thing would have been to let a machine kill her (therefore losing all glory points). In what world is that fun? Its for sure not in the spirit of the game. Even the missions you play as Aloy for the hunters lodge. The people you team up with WORK TOGETHER for glory over the other hunters. If you don't want a hunter to have glory, don't go fighting with them. Also the base box is just way too little content. After 4 scenarios, the boss does just feel kinda meh. Especially since one of the previous hard scenarios we played was more challenging. There are abilities that don't make sense, and the event deck sucks. That being said. We enjoyed the gameplay, and she is very excited to get all the expansions next year. But I'm really worried that the hundreds of dollars we spent are going to end up only giving us some cool minis. (Which were surprisingly small) Also the end bit/joke at Dice Tower is hilarious! But unfortunately I still enjoyed the game enough that I rated it a 7/10 on BGG and I have all these issues with it. So yeah.... You got me too.

@styfen

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we really, really enjoyed the gameplay. But the lack of content and the obviously 'better if played pure co-op against harder machines' is a major issue. This is not a game, it's a sampler for the full game.

@nHautamaki

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like very fixable design issues tbh. In fact you could even have a bit of 'hidden role' type mechanic, or anything like that, where the game becomes equally if not more about how you strategically manage your relationships with the other players while fighting the monsters. It becomes a sort of iterated prisoner dilemma where you can go for a short term gain by betraying the other players but then suffer in the long run as your reputation naturally takes a hit. That's the kind of thing that creates depth and replayability in an otherwise simple game--ultimate example of course being Diplomacy, simultaneously the simplest possible 'dudes on a map' game and also one of the deepest and most complex and difficult to analyze games at a high level ever made because 90% of the game is about how you read and manage relationships with other humans, one of the most cognitively difficult and complex things we've evolved to do.

@Buffalodude1

3 жыл бұрын

@@nHautamaki Haha! That would be a very complicated game. That i'd enjoy about as much X-D (Not a fan of diplomacy)

After playing HZD the video game, and loving it, I have little interest in a board game version of it. The video game set the bar incredibly high and I just didn't see a board game living up to that level.

I would really love you guys to use patreon money and buy Kingdom death monster core box during black Friday. It sounds like every thing promising here would feel like success playing KDM

I didn’t realize this was a Steam Forged Games game, but upon hearing that it is, it all makes sense. I haven’t been too impressed with SFG's ability to balance game mechanics and produce compelling gameplay. Sure, I did buy into the Dark Souls board game, and I do enjoy the game, for the most part. However, that has been only after a significant effort to rewrite rules and some basic mechanisms in the game to reduce a lot of the tedium and rebalance some of the more nefarious aspect of the game; admittedly this effort was comprised of me going through the BGG forums and compiling together various variants of rules posed by the community, and I eventually landed upon the grindless-variant thread by DSSirus, for which I posted a PDF compilation of those rules with some minor alterations and additions of my own based on other discussion threads. But, the fundamental problem is that the game has required a massive community effort to FIX the game and actually make it fun and enjoyable, because the original rules just did not do it. I think one of the things SFG doesn’t seem to realize is that you shouldn’t be trying to replicate, exactly, the flow and mechanics of a video game into a board game. The things that work in a video game work well in that medium because of the inherent nature of the medium, the ability to save state, the ability of the world and setting to operate independent of the player (as opposed to players having to manipulate every part and piece), and the ability to have unambiguous enforcement of *every* rule even though the player's may not be familiar with or knowing of all the rules (whereas, in a board game, players must not only know and understand all the rules, but they must also correctly interpret the consequences of those rules else the game could become unbalanced or unfair). Instead of trying to make a literal translation of a video game into a board game, more what you want to do is only capture the spirit, essence, or flavoring of the video game while still conforming to the constraints imposed by the board game medium. While I love the HZD video game, myself, it sounds like the board game version is another game that will require some effort from the community to fix its broken parts, particularly the character balance issues and creating compelling, balanced interactions for competitive and cooperate gameplay that don’t devolve to trivial strategies.

One thing to consider is that Efka and Elaine probably played this at 2. Our group played it at 4 and even though it was long, we had a considerably more fun time than what the review makes it out to be. There have been numerous reports on bgg that this is where the semi-coop cut-throat nature of the game truly comes out and that the 2p experience is really lack-lustre. I suspect it was never balanced or really play-tested at lower player counts. Having said that the flaws pointed out are valid also - there are indeed potential balancing issues, the variety of monsters and AI still needs work , and the rulebook is annoyingly verbose.

I like that your component trays match Elaine's sweater.

Crabs be dancing to a rave party

wow , i made a facebook poll and a bgg post when this was on KS stating that the semi coop is not working. it was so obvious in the gameplay video , it was shocking (in the video one guy run into a monster, catched lots of glory, and the next player had to jump in to defend the first player and keeping him alive, otherwise all would loose. at the end the first player won :-) ). they didn´t listend, and it makes me feel bad about my bardsung pledge now.....

@crxkirby

3 жыл бұрын

It's not like Bardsung is closed. You can cut it if you want.

Only one boss and its a big kitty? Oof. Hope someone didnt expect Thunderjaws without paying extra. Hah.

Why would I ever play a board game based on such an excellent video game? One requires 25-50 pages of reading, the other requires me to insert a disc. This is what drives me nuts when board gamers rag on video games. They're both excellent mediums, but sometimes I just don't feel like doing the leg work to learn the rules of a board game and I just want to throw in a disc and play immediately. It's why I have a whole bunch of board games I haven't played yet.

@lexodius

3 жыл бұрын

What's a disc?

Ah, it's Cutthroat Dice Caverns with added minis. Edit: with added minis and all the fun and interesting and quirky stuff taken away. And as for becoming overpowered towards the end, isn't that what open world rpg style video games are about? :)