Hey, turns out Spock accidentally left his warp stabilizer in the video we just published. This is a bit frustrating, but we're pretty much on the road now (to Essen Spiel), so we either leave the video as is or take it down and publish it next week. I think we'll leave it.

@Cerhob

4 жыл бұрын

I'm so confused. Edit: so after WATCHING the video, I now understand. 😂😅

@falco451

4 жыл бұрын

Step aside everyone, I’m about to write a blog post about this injustice.

@MegaZombywoof

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I really don't get what you are referring to. Are you talking about the stabilizer of the camera or about an object in the video ? I have just spent the last 20 min to understand by rewatching the video. And now I feel like my life is empty if I don't have anything better to do than rewatching a video because I didn't understand a comment.

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

@@MegaZombywoof timestamp 10:17

@danpsou

4 жыл бұрын

I sincerely thought that was left on purpose as a joke.

This is one of the best critical reviews I've seen and I hope to see more that are willing to be so direct about problems in otherwise good games.

I love this game, it's quickly become one of my all time favourites, and it's all my group and I are playing at the moment. BUT, I 100% agree with your comment: "This game needed more rigorous testing and development before being rushed out to buyers". We already have thousands of games worth of data, and it's already showing wild imbalances in the win-rates of factions. Futurists are very clearly over-powered, in contrast to the under-powered Traders. The data shows that very clearly, even with a hefty margin of error and scope for considering other factors.

Seems odd not to mention that warp stabiliser requires clip dimensions to match sequence.

@TheDragonsTomb

4 жыл бұрын

You can just fix this by nesting.

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

Plot-twist: it was already nested.

@allencordell

4 жыл бұрын

@@NoPunIncluded Hahahaha

I love your reviews, man! You really make it a fun experience, keep it up!

Another. Outstanding. Review. Have fun in Essen!

Strong review, Efka! I liked the breadth and depth of insights you provided into the game. I've got it but it still hasn't hit the table yet, so I'm eager to see what I make of it.

I LOVE civilization-building games and would have bought this game at the outset, but something had really been nagging at me about this game. You’ve nailed it in this review. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.

I recently started watching your videos. They’re so much fun!

I love your honesty and your point of view. The hype around this game is palpable, and you guys really seem immune to hype while being aware of it. There is a huge difference between wanting to love something new and shiny and actually really enjoying it. Thank you!

@lootnscoot50

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. Ok then. Some people wear their love of a game like armor and take personal offense when someone disagrees with them. I’m glad you like the game. I’m sure some people do. Back to thanking this great channel for an objective review.

Great review - refreshing to hear some honest and very valid critiques of the game. Totally agree with the Discard 3 Tech Cards space - it’s so counterproductive and paltry compared to the other tracks’ Discard actions. Every game I’ve played it had players scratching their heads wondering why it exists.

@AlexHaan

4 жыл бұрын

Ok, bit late now after 6 months. But I played it online with friends last night. With the step being so late, one player had between 5 and 10 event cards out already. Once events are upgraded to the max you won't get any points from them anymore anyway (as far as I have seen) and you can't upgrade all anyway. Then those are 10 easy points.

it drove me crazy that the buildings do not fit perfectly on the puzzleboard!!!

@hurkpan

4 жыл бұрын

You can very easily fix this by nesting.

Awesome review. Love the honesty. Keep going

Excellent, excellent, excellent work! This is your best review.

Great review and all valid points. I love the game still, I think it provides a fun experience of romping through make believe land and let's you come up with crazy stories for why your civilization is just now creating medicine, years after you have explored space. Win, lose, or draw the table always had a good time. We did house rule to draw two tapestry cards and pick one, to balance the swingy nature/power of some of them for your engine.

"Who needs planning when you're mostly drank." That sums up my experience in university.

@anthonylewis5974

4 жыл бұрын

I CAN’T DO THAT DAVE.

Wow! Great review! Balanced and direct. I was looking at this one, but now I think Tapestry might not be a good game for my group. Thanks!

Your comedy is great and you made learning really entertaining! haha Subscribed!

Keep going your great job, I'm waiting for your Orléans Stories review ;)

Agreed with you at the beginning, the anachronistic nature of the cards really bothers me and it's not the game for me. Great review, love your content!

Fantastic review Efka. I do wonder will this get an essential edition aka a fix. With flat card board cut in interesting shapes for the city. Or less wacky more functional looking buildings. Tracks with more interesting actions and maybe even choices. A sequence to the cards. Both tech and tapestry cards could easily be printed with numerals on the back I to IV I suppose basically im looking for what I've grown accustomed to from jamey, a sense of coherence.

Thank you for this great reaview as always ! I was hesitating to buy the game (Stegmaier/Scythe-Fanboy), but price and randomness convinces me to keep my money (and my friends )

Great stuff as always! I was so looking forward to this ore release but after a couple reviews that were critical of some things that I was pretty sure would make the game not very fun for me I still held out hope. Your review was the tipping point though. Thank you for saving me from myself and also $100 US. Still looking for that under 2 civilization game...

The power of the ultimate top-deck is the same reason I don't resonate with Viticulture - the winter visitors that allow for a 2-for-1 action on spaces that are inevitably crowded can break an otherwise exciting race to the finish line into a foregone conclusion. They don't feel rewarding for the time I have invested into them.

It's a shame the little houses were inedible. I'm growing tired of this injustice.

@benjespina

4 жыл бұрын

Merlandese I heard the Azul tiles are quite crunchy.

I totally feel for Elaine. I recently played Everdell and watched every other player at the table have a lovely time building a colourful tableau, while I never got a single combo going and spent two hours hating the game and my time at the table. I have friends who love the game, and I know my experience is not the norm. But I will never play that game again because in my mind it is never going to be fun, especially as, even if I have a better game, I will constantly be thinking that maybe someone else at the table is having a bad time, and that doesn't make me want to share it.

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

We've never played Everdell, I'm sorry you had a miserable time with it.

@2010Renu

4 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the oddity regarding Everdell. I am glad someone else had the exact same experience that I did. Certain design and graphic choices of Everdell did not appeal to me. The tree was more of a nuisance than help and I did not find combos to be consistent as well. After watching this video, I don't think Tapestry will be my cup of tea either.

@robertdietze152

4 жыл бұрын

Same experience here. Loved everything about the game, but not the game itself.

"I mentioned Brexit once, I think I got away with it."

@naschylobo

4 жыл бұрын

What's that, Eric? You've given up being a Los Angeles detective and started running a hotel in Torquay? Yes! Don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it and I don't agree with that in a workplace!

Fantastic review!

Yeah, I never saw Gandhi the same way after that nuclear strike.

When I saw that beautiful painted miniature in the bowl and efgar was talking about gravy, I was scared for a sec

Loved the Big Lebowski reference. I'm so happy that someone else feels the same way I feel about this game. I also felt that the game needed a lot more play testing and that every action just seemed really random. On top of that with the random tapestry cards in the random technology cards I really felt the game was just too random for me.

@sirpercivale

3 жыл бұрын

I came here to comment on the BL reference too :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5OHl5dxdbzghtI.html

Immediately liked the video when I saw the (90-minute) Maxwell tape!

@cklester

4 жыл бұрын

I kind of giggled at that point, because it's not "Maxwell."

This is almost exactly what I've been saying about this game. The fundamental idea is great, but it's let down by its own bloat and sheer randomness. You can also completely ignore the technology track, I'm convinced.

@tudorludusan6820

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny that I've also heard the exact opposite of what you're saying on BGG, basically that the Technology track is the best strategy to go after if you were to win the game.

some really good points.

Ah bless your warp stabiliser banner, haha.

That was entertaining :) Hope to meet you at Essen!

I'm happy to see you pointing out the parts which you didn't like about the game so that players can take informed decision on whether to buy this or not, and not getting swept up in the hype train. Having said, I'll probably buy it as i like the puzzly aspect and don't really have a similary themed/mechanics game with me. I'll also keep a note in the box with the imbalanced 2 player factions and such. Thanks, and amazing video as always

I do believe your experience and criticisms are fair. However I've had a really good time with the game despite some of the randomness issues.

One of the funniest reviews you've done yet! I burst out laughing a few times. Great job! Not interested in the game in the slightest and now I know why.

Hey everyone, so i bought this game when it came out... Now If i buy Tapestry: Fantasies & Futures Expansion do I still need to buy the Revised Civ Pack or is there an expansion that will revise it all for me? I just dont want to buy something that I don't need...

Hello😊. You are still the best when it comes to give an honest review. Love your videos.

"Oh, nice move! Now you can either take some points cream or a resource!" "I think I'll pass on the points cream and just take another mushroom."

Did you know that the warp stabilizer requires clip dimensions to match sequence? You can fix this by nesting.

Have you lost weight Efka? You look sharp! :)

This guy is so adorable, I could watch him reviewing pretty much anything.

You had me at tapes try. Lol

Do you have a list of board games you enjoy?

Ouch. And I'm waiting for the Spanish one to come to me. Well, that teaches me to not preorder. Not that I'm going to take the advice :P Hope we have fun with it but you mention some very good points for it being... random in that regard.

@Artiiiq454

4 жыл бұрын

I preordered my copy from SG and I was reading comments about how random and not too good it is ever since, yet I enjoy the game SO MUCH that I don't regret buying it at all, it's been a blast every time I got it to table. Don't get disappointed until you actually play the game, pal, you might actually enjoy it in the end!

@simonaf7643

4 жыл бұрын

Artiiiq454 So did I, I‘m very happy with the games the way it is 🙂. Greetings from Germany.

I'll be honest from not having played it, I'd assume that Feast For Odin is a better investment unless you've played that to death and back already.

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

We'll revisit A Feast for Odin soon on our podcast, especially now that there is a meaty expansion

This isn't a top 10 game for me (or 20 for that matter) but despite the randomness I enjoy the game. Maybe it is because of the randomness as you have to try and adjust your plan/engine based on what tech and tapestry cards are available.

Youre My favourite brutal reviewer

I enjoyed this game, but it may be because I won… 😂 I definitely agree that some people at the table really hated it, and those who focused on a track only to have it not pay off, were frustrated. One thing we were confused about was that the rule book said a great game would have players achieving 300 points, and while most of our group got close to 200, we were struggling to understand how 300 was even possible. I think we left the table wondering if we missed something.

10:53 nice OOO. Short but sharp

The way tapesrty is explained like a card game but as a board game. Draw then play by spending resourses there are 5 card types that stay or gets discarded after use. Magic before you explain you need to read the cards. Where the games gets nutz with rules

Starting with Two Tapestry cards helped with some of the crazy early game variance. Agree 100% with this video, not something I would ever buy but didn't hate playing it. The buildings are hilariously cliche Kickstarter bloat.

@christophergrilly9763

4 жыл бұрын

It wasn't a Kickstarter

I would prefer a cheaper game unless the deluxe components really matter. oh and yea the end there? I'd rather not risk buying an expensive game that will get people frustrated out of bad luck

So, You didnt have fun playing it? not at all?

If I didn't know anything about it, or hadn't played it, his review would have sold me on getting it! is quirky review just enhanced my estimation of this game - and the more I play it, the more sane it gets! :)

"It needs more time to be developed" is the EXACT thought I had after playing it once. Usually Jamey's games are right up my alley if I don't want to play something heavy but oh boy, Tapestry is easily his weakest game.

@WiseGuyHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Which is a shame, because with a bit of extra care, it could be his greatest. I still love playing Tapestry, but I'm sad it's not better.

@greytoeimp

4 жыл бұрын

ofc this is the first one of his i actually buy fml lol

@jonlocke7112

4 жыл бұрын

@@greytoeimp if you're not feeling burned from buying Tapestry I wholly suggest picking up Viticulture Essential Edition. It's easily his best game and probably one of the best games to come out in the past decade.

'Income face.'

There's a "Tweaking Tapestry - A List of Small Changes" thread on bgg forum with some simple houserules to mitigate randomness.

This review mirrors our experiences exactly. After a bunch of 2-player games which increasingly convinced my husband and me that this game had serious issues, we invited a friend to play. He ended up playing an Espionage card on my Marriage of State card, which he used to remora himself onto my husband's Science track advancement and completely tank my husband's plans. Our friend won handily, and once we finished, he said, "I'm never playing that again." His victory felt so empty and unearned that it just killed the game for him.

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

A great observation! Part of the joy of playing a game for me is not whether I've won against someone, but feeling a sense of achievement because I found a solution.

@koomo801

4 жыл бұрын

@@NoPunIncluded True! It's a very rare game (such as Innovation) where we can have a cheap win and not feel bad about the time investment, sharing a laugh instead.

You missed a trick... the review should have concluded with “I will leave you to discover that on your own” ;)

The Heralds are just fine in a two player game, in fact I'd say they're over-powered.

Fantastic review, thank you! After foolishly exposing myself to a lot of board game related media in preparation for Essen, and due to some personal experiences with people who claim to "review" board games, I've grown really sick and tired of the spineless and greedy character that sets the tone for how board games are discussed in the public today, especially on youtube. You do a great job, so remember to always keep up your spirits! Also, the other day at SPIEL I managed to take a peek at you guys at the King Racoon booth while I was busy playing Tsukuyumi and you were busy talking to some King Racoon guy and looking kind of tired (which you handled well). In my 2 hrs of testing I had a blast though, so I'd love to hear your opinions on the game one day. :)

you do definitely one of the most intelligent reviews in the business, love to just listen to them. Although i do not understand an approach to discredit games like Rising Sun (notabene in which review i think you missed the spirit of this game unfortunately) just because the price - these are just games made in more (justified or not) luxury way and there are people who can afford them - otherwise they wouldn't been published and game's cost say nothing about the quality of the product, here with Tapestry i have exactly the same feeling as you had. A Gimmick only - sadly. I would also say RNG is a little to big here. Nontheless great stuff, great review and hope to see another reviews soon. Big Cheers from Poland!

Also agree the game looked like a mess before I bought it but it looks like a good theme park game for new players. Though price tag makes me agree. If BGing isn't your life hobby stay away.

Thank you for being 100% honest with your reviews. This game is not only quite bad, but it's also quite obvious that this is the case. I really lost some respect for reviewers who ignored or tiptoed around this games flaws for political reasons. Good to see I still have a few honest reviewers to trust.

I love this sweet mess of a game but only as a solo affair. When left to my own devices this is a puzzle playground that I can enjoy, and a safe place where I can live with all the random variables without feeling resentment towards other players that just lucked into better tapestry cards or civilization draws. I also concur that there was no need for the buildings and I would've loved this game with tiles and a $60 price point versus the $100. I wonder if the expansion has fixed some of the glaring oversites the game design has built into it?

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This is a little off topic, but I noticed or at least I think I noticed that you don't have a Patreon account. I think there are many of us subscribers that would love to contribute. Please consider

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! We opted for yearly Kickstarter campaigns instead of Patreon. Next one's in March.

Hi From Bangladesh!

I've played this once at a new years gaming day. I enjoyed my time with it. But it's not worth dropping $100 on.

A what grown in English soil? dykrone? Eh? 20:20

@sirpercivale

3 жыл бұрын

A mild flavoured winter radish! Thank you google

I myself completely failed at the game focusing on science. With my Alchemists civilization I had tremendous bad luck the first two income periods rolling double on the second roll. That made for a terrible start. And way too late I realized that I should - somehow - have built much more income buildings. The Exploration track seems so much more powerful, especially at the end, unlocking so much more and giving so much more points. The game should at least give a recommendation at which civilizations to first try and play the game with. They're just too unbalanced.

Magic The Gathering was an inspiration for some powers and combos in Tapestry. I tired Magic a few times and I don't know how to fully take advantage of every single card, but experts do. "Why would I want to roll a die 4 times with no effect?" If you are far along on the science track then set yourself up to take advantage of that. Would you not like to skip over those 3 cost spaces and get to the powerful 2 costs spaces? Rolling the die 4 times could help with that if your other 3 markers are waiting next to or one those 3 costs spaces. Or.... Why would you want a second CIV? If you want that to be useful then just focus on the military track, ignore the other tracks. Get the second CIV early and use them for the other tracks.

Tape`s Try ? ! ;) Great Vid :) ;) :)

You should have been passed Traders or Chosen instead of Inventors. Inventors are actually interesting in Tech the same way Militarists are in Military or Nomads are in Explore.

This game is 100 bucks? Haha what the heck?!!!

I'm sorry if I'm exactly three years late onto this but.... ... not a coincidence that your casette tape was called Ur in a game about Civilizations, surely? Surely?

We played this once. After we did we saw the errata/addendum where they give certain factions a large amount of VPs while others give all their opponent's bonus VPs, and these are not small numbers. This made me glad I didn't buy it and only played it that one time. Not a terrible game but it felt very empty and rather dull. I love Civ games but this felt like Civ with all the bits assembled by a drunken sandwich.

Oh, how cool, you have Vast: Mysterious Manor. Unlike every Kickstarter backer in Europe and Australia. Some days. Some days.

@NoPunIncluded

4 жыл бұрын

If it helps, they're there for work and not play (but to be fair, our work is play, honestly I don't know what's what anymore).

@Messengus

4 жыл бұрын

@@NoPunIncluded Oh I mean, I know that's why they're there. Otherwise you wouldn't have them! I'll be fine. When we get those games. In a month. Even though they're already on store shelves. Ohhhh

Tapes-Try LOL

Actually, if you limit the comparison to just 2 civs many of them are already glaringly imbalanced. Futurists for instance get 12 free advancements AND four resources, while Alchemists MIGHT get 12 free advancements OR 4 resources. It doesn’t need thousands of plays to “prove” its imbalanced. The math proving its imbalance is very easy to demonstrate. The problem are all the folks who bought it for $100 and don’t want to acknowledge that its basically still in the beta stage of balancing.

Warp Stabilizer failure! Call for Geordi LaForge!

A game in which the designer sets a Faction to start with almost 50 points to have chance to Win... If its not unbalanced then I have no idea what this is!

I'm sorry for doing this but couldn't forgive myself if I didn't. Technically squares are a type of rectangle and not, as you stated (in jest I know), the other way around. Sorry again!

I thought about making my first stonemaier game when i started seeing news about a pre-order. But the more i looked into it I changed my mine based on the aesthetics and price and the fact the landmarks didn't seem to do much. More I've heard about the caveats from reviewer I'm okay with that decision.

I don't see myself investing 100 dollars in an imbalanced game (wich is what many reviews of Tapestry are telling about it). Moreover, to me it looks "overproduced" just in order to get more money from the the buyers.

Ritalin in Coca-Cola? I have no idea what that metaphor means. Are you using the SU&SD gaffe printer?

Nice review, but boy, that thumbnail....

I usually disagree with you guys and consider you delve very hard on stuff I find irrelevant, but on this one I agree, good review, basically, untested game with too much luck for what its trying to accomplish.

Watching this again after three expansions and many balance sheets have come out... The game is still in my collection...still feels unbalanced. In fact every game about half the people at the table had a great time and the other half really didn't. The game is an enigma. I do pull it out still (mostly solo these days). And I think it will continue to stay in my collection but I couldn't explain why. Maybe it's the gambler in me? Will I have a great time tonight or will I wish I never opened the box? We shall see....

@NoPunIncluded

Жыл бұрын

I wish you continued success in never knowing what to think about Tapestry. One day, maybe, humans will be worthy of unravelling this puzzle.

Between NPI and 3MinBG, the criticism towards the Tapestry cards is strong. It is a blaring oversight for a game that I really want to love. It is such an imbalance.

Thanks for sharing. Although there is a lot of hype about this game I'm not going to buy it and have no interest to play it.

Played my first game of Tapestry tonight 3P, not even a question its not balanced in any way shape or form. If people even want to argue this, it's laughable, and again I am certain after a single play and not seeing even all the Tapestry cards, or technologies, I could put together a faction and set of cards that would guarantee a high probability of a loss. And this is what game testers and Jamie should be checking. For e.g. while unlikely you could pull a set of trap cards. So play the game with just trap cards, which again while unlikely is a possibility and see if you can win. Compare that to the tapestry cards that allow you to pick a player and every time they use an action on one track you get to duplicate the basic action (without paying any cost!). Just ridiculous. This game is a classic example of knowing 100% after even a single play its completely unbalanced and broken.

In the near future, i think this game with be widely acknowledged as the board game that was rushed to market. This game is a pricey mistake - glad i didn't get caught up in the fervor.

And never forget the stupid and incredible unbalance in the game that had..... can't recall already changes after no longer that just a 2 weeks of its release, I said exactly the same thing, that needed A LOT more of playtesting and I was practically lynched by the community

I’m glad I didn’t give in to the hype and wait for reviews. The money saved can be invested in better games.

As an “English person” I am truly offended