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@ralphwarom2514

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, so how about QuickShifters. They seem like a good middleground between a DCT and going full Manual. I've noticed a lot of reviewers talking about how they make a big change to their riding. I'm also scared of loosing my clutch. XD But that might just be me.

@richardsprings1414

2 жыл бұрын

I have the 2016 DCT I use it in manual mode a lot in the dirt but I also notice if you're in the twisties on the street that it won't upshift it does good with the engine braking I love my Honda Africa twin

@garrisonkarr9445

Жыл бұрын

WOW !! ... a super good explanation ... thank you

@robertcurtis3807

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for that valuable information brother. I was looking into the HONDA NM4 (ABS). Now decided against it. The DCT sounds like a CVT which is a totally different mechanical technology. I had cvt cars and they done horrible on slight hills, especially mountains.

@robertcurtis3807

4 ай бұрын

For cruising in the country, and steep sharp curvy mountains would a DCT HONDA NM4 ABS be suggested?

Here are my few cents worth: I rode a NC750X DCT for several years, every day as my daily commuter. Where I lived (South Africa), lane-splitting was allowed. I put thousands and thousands of miles on that bike, and I absolutely loved my DCT gearbox. I can directly address many of the disadvantages mentioned in this video for STREET riding. When it comes to off-road riding... not so much - I have no experience riding off-road with a DCT Gearbox. Yes, the bike can't see what is coming, but I got to learn the bike so well, that I could instinctively give just the right amount of throttle input to get the bike to do what I wanted it to do. I learned how and when the bike would shift in all the shifting-modes. I could accurately anticipate each shift, and ride accordingly. This is important to note - I aligned my riding to what I knew the gearbox would do. With spending most of my time in traffic, I was in normal Drive Mode (D) most of the time. The best fuel economy I got was 450km on one 14.1L tank of gas - that is an average of 75 miles per gallon for that tank. I would often average 60 miles per gallon in town, due to the short-shifting nature of that parallel twin in Drive Mode. Down-shifting in a pinch was also not a problem - it became second nature to twist the throttle open wide, while simultaneously down-shifting one, or even two gears with my left thumb on the manual down-shifter button (as mentioned in the video, you can do this, even in automatic mode, and the bike will shift for you). By the time the throttle engages, I have dropped two gears already, and off I went. Dragging the rear brake during slow-speed riding is a good practice, even when you are on a manual bike. It is even good advice for when I ride my Mountain Bike! I really got to use it on my DCT NC750, and it is a skill I now have for life. Just lightly dragging the rear brake makes all slow-speed riding more stable and predictable. With the DCT gearbox, I learned that modulating the rear brake gave me lots of extra control over the power I could put down, which is NOT something I use on my manual bike. I agree that the DCT gearbox is probably not for people who love to ride hard all the time, or who often have a good old off-road thrashing. Don't get me wrong - I found the DCT plenty fun when I wanted it, but I am a more sedate rider by nature, and the DCT fits that riding style perfectly. Three years ago I moved to the United States, and had to sell my little NC750, with nearly 200 000km on. Today I ride a manual midweight adventure bike, but I am seriously considering getting a 2021 DCT Africa Twin, as it would meet most of my riding needs. Thanks for your video - very well put together!

@BigRockMoto

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing

@chrigdichein

Жыл бұрын

that was awesome to read, because you analyse. thanks from Australia

@mikaellindroos1594

Жыл бұрын

I have DCT sens 2017 X-ADV750 fully agree with your comment. You need km to learn how the bike behave 70000km Greets.from Finland 🇫🇮never back to manual

@billyflanagan9657

Жыл бұрын

Awesome feedback thanks I am still getting use to my 2017 dct.

@valienterf

9 ай бұрын

Rebell 1100 DCT is so sweet to ride and, you cam mod it. So much.

Every single person who says that he prefer a manual bike, didn't ride DCT from Honda. Doesn,t suits every single individual, but those who tried it most likely are currently driving a Honda DCT. In Europe we mostly have stick shift cars and those riding an automatic, would never go back to manuals, but before trying, they always brag about they skills,the pleasure of driving, shifting etc. The same applies in motorcycling. I mostly don't agree with your disadvantages, you have manual mode or a Sport mode in case you want a greater control over the gearbox, but yes, it's still an automatic and not connected to your brain. In D it wants to be economical and sometimes is holding the engine so low in revs that just before downshifting, that the bikes starts to shake a bit. A thing i noticed: how do you want to easily make a u-turn if your head is pointing forward and not over the shoulder? 😂 I bought a DCT HONDA because i enjoy riding a bike but i don't enjoy "extra work". And this is my second DCT, first being a NC700SD that i loved so much. I would't ever go for manual again, it takes away my concentration. Don't get me wrong, I can shift like a pro, but it is still an extra job that needs to be taken care of and needs to be done properly every single time, otherwise can lead to nasty surprises. Thanks for your time making the video and i hope you're been taking my words from a constructive point of view. Best regards!

@DersNoNem

2 жыл бұрын

I have ridden Honda Wave(same Honda Cub technology, auto clutch but shifting gears with pedal) Easy to use, easy maintenance, great for city riding and very lightweight(if the bike fell down) I still bought the 2nd bike with manual clutch for fun.

@NishadAbdulkhader

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly ..safety wise DCT is the best as manual shifting needs additional attention from the rider and makes the ride more vulnerable to accidents

@TheRelic72

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s rough using your fingers and foot. I tried it and other than a gimmick for old people that don’t want to shift their bike anymore it’s pointless. They are pushing it because they aren’t selling very well. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a “up grade” that costs more money.

@Acontractuallife

2 жыл бұрын

I have a dct, trying to go back to manual. Need that clutch when off road. Hate using the rear brake so much

@finnblackburn9583

2 жыл бұрын

I test rode the DCT CRF1100L twice before trying the manual CRF1100L and buying it. I found even in its most aggressive mode the DCT just wasn't quick enough, if I didn't ride aggressively on the street or go offroad I would've gone for DCT and as such if I could justify owning a Goldwing I'd buy one in DCT, not manual. For the Africa Twin I want the additional control that a clutch and engine braking gives you.

The best video about DCT on KZread. After Honda made the DCT system available for more than five years, this is the best analysis and understanding of DCT published on the internet. To me, the biggest thing about the DCT is that anyone may use it right away with ease, but to use it at an expert level takes a lot of learning and experience. Thank you so much Big Rock Moto for training your attention onto this topic.

@billmcmeekin7909

2 жыл бұрын

I believe you are correct geirstella 10. It does take learning the variety of functions you have at hand. The numerous riding modes, in full Auto and how to manipulate the operation of each mode for desired riding effect. The ability to quickly override auto with finger/ thumb shifts for intermittent change. I believe some people may be overwhelmed or intimidated by this tech. But like you I believe once you own it, or place enough kms on it, you become integrated with the technology, embrace it, and enjoy riding that much more. I certainly have, and won't be going back on a bike such as this. 17000 km strong. I've ridden in all conditions ( minimal single track) from 2' C to +46'C. Sea to 8000 feet. Rocky mountains and Vancouver city. This bike is incredible :-) 2020 ATASes

Hi - I live in Central Mexico. I bought my NC 750X DCT in 2020 when I retired. Previously I'd owned a number of manual shift bikes of various sizes. As stated in the video the DCT does have a learning curve and I agree its probably not a good choice for new riders but is one which is very quick to pick up on. Whilst I understand your reluctance to use the bike in Drive mode I find that for stop/start commuter traffic it works just fine. Also for long distance highway touring when traveling at close to maximum speed limits being in Drive mode is great and gives incredible low fuel consumption. If I need a bit extra oomph to overtake something then a downshift on the left hand paddleswitch provides it. Also changing your riding style to accomodate the DCT quickly becomes the norm, for example, when overtaking allow for a little more time to pull out and pass traffic rather than expecting to get a rocket boost to pull out and shoot past traffic in a flash. For general road riding out of town where the road has lots of bends and maybe some inclines and declines I use the Sport2 mode. This is especially useful when traveling with a passenger where in Drive mode my bike feels decidedly underpowered. Note here that the NC 750x is not a high powered bike to begin with and I suspect that a bike like the Africa Twin would be more obliging here. By far the biggest initial challenge for me was getting used to dragging the rear brake when slow speed riding and, as you noted in your video, particulary when making tight slow turns. The answer here is practice, practice, practice! In summary my feelings about the DCT echo those of Jan Coatzer to the letter. I love the system and have no wish to return to manual shifting. Not having to be concerned about using a clutch and manual shifter makes riding a much more enjoyable experience and as a more sedate rider in my advancing years burning up the asphalt whilst ripping through the gears is no longer my principle desire as a biker. I much prefer to let the DCT do its thing so that I have more time to take in the scenery :) Thanks for your very informative video.

Before seeing the video I read the description “After riding the DCT Africa Twin back to back with the standard shift version, I am in a good position to tell it like it is.” That triggered me because you cannot just test ride the DCT and make up your mind. You need to own it and ride it for a long time to get used to it and to understand it. But seeing the video I fully agree with almost everything!! Good job! You really understand the DCT and presented it in a great way!! Well done!!

@geirstella10

2 жыл бұрын

You make a valid and very valuable point: The DCT has an almost flat learning curve, but it is very long. Thank you Sir!

@gillesgenete9598

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 DCT Africa Twin, with 35.000km in it. I use it for on road, off-road, with passenger on long trip. I bought it after only 10km test ride. So no long learning curve for me, never D mode, use Sport 1 mode on and off road, Sport mode 3 with TC off on loose uphill terrain. Use the hand bar pallet to faster downshift if needed. On very slow speed manoeuvers, I may use the parking brake instead of rear brake, then it is same difficulty than feathering a hand clutch. Yes too bad it's heavy. But this bike is so well balanced that off road is easy, and DCT makes it even easier.

@jammcguire1276

2 жыл бұрын

I friggin love the DCT! Off road is the learning curve! Also, you can get the footpeg kit for manual mode...its about $400 though! I would love a new video with the footpeg in manual mode!

@rickdisanto9607

2 жыл бұрын

@@gillesgenete9598 I’ve never tried the parking brake. Great idea I will give it a try.

@Hankelmer6924

2 жыл бұрын

I miss wheelieing

I've owned a 2018 DCT Adventure Sport for over a year now and ride it almost every day. I have ridden a small amount off road, but mostly on paved roads and often on long country rides. I watched your video all the way through and I agree in principle with your final assessment. But I believe there is a point here that is missed by almost every review out there including yours. This is not a bike with an Auto and Manual mode to be ridden strictly differently depending on which mode is selected. Too much time is spent trying to second guess what the bike will do or how the DCT will react. This is a bike that rides best when both modes are used actively together, for example the use of the gear paddle switched to control up shifting and down shifting as is your preference and then allowing the bike to take over again when you no longer have a preference for a gear. The programming used to decide when the gears are switched back to D mode from manual is sublime, as is the responsiveness for the gear selectors, up or down shifting is a near instantaneous gear change. When ridden in this way the bike is life changing, aggressively sporty and throaty with a responsiveness that inspires confidence. DCT is more different than most riders realise.

@AndrewAtkinson1

2 жыл бұрын

sounds like paddle shifters on my turbo forester.

@davidfalgout7304

Жыл бұрын

John YOU NAILED IT! You know about the magic sauce! I love the DCT on my Honda. When all you young men get to be 70, you will lust after the DCT! DON'T GET ME wrong! I enjoyed clutching even on the race track. But as one finds that the cruel passage of time has taken its toll.... the DCT looks even better!

I bought a 2016 DCT in 2017, knowing nothing about DCT.Have rode 16 000 miles touring UK and Europe and enjoyed every mile. Admittedly, only light off-road ,with road tyres. I agree with everything you said, slow speed tight manoeuvres are sometimes tricky but for general riding/ touring switch to manual and enjoy. The grin factor is Massive 😀

Thanks Ian, great summation of the AT DCT. I owned a 2017 AT DCT for 2 years and put a lot of miles on the bike, mainly on-road touring miles, with just a little bit of offroad. My default setting was S2, which tended to shift at the point where I would shift, and it was perfect for 90% of the time. You quickly learn that it can't see ahead the way you can and make pre-emptive changes, but a quick downshift with the thumb when approaching a bend or an overtake soon becomes second nature. The only time the system bugged me was in the Alps, where the road was more technical with mile after mile of steep up and downhill twisties, and the bike always seemed to be in the wrong gear. In this situation I used to switch it into manual mode and change up and down with thumb and forefinger. It performed perfectly using this method. I was tempted away from Honda by the new R1250GS and convinced myself that 'quick-shifter pro' was as good as DCT. It isn't! If I could pay to have DCT retrofitted to by GS, I'd do it an a heartbeat, and if I ever buy another Africa Twin (which I may well do), I would definitely go for the DCT version.

@raymondo162

Жыл бұрын

that alps adventure sounded a bit of a pita. that really put me off dct. tho most of my long distances are in flatlands (f, b, n). doh!! i'm arguing with meself

@marcochavanne

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondo162 You can get a Honda quick shifter for $500 that really negates the issue.

@michaelwallace8791

6 ай бұрын

Not sure why I never hear that in any of the reviews that in any mode your can still use the index and thumb shifter to drop or go up in gear. In a short time it will find it's way back to where the bike wants to be. I have just become accustom to down shifting when ever I want to accelerate or slow with higher RMP

Had my 2018 DCT now for a couple of years and wouldn't go back to a manual, although I do have a Honda Blackbird with a manual shift. The DCT is great to ride for all the reasons you mentioned and the issues you raised are there but all in all its a great innovation and will only get better as new models roll out. Weight is a n issue with the AT but my mate has a BMW 850 and it's just as heavy if not heavier. At the end of the day it's what you enjoy and everytime I jump on my AT iI have a big smile on my face. Thanks for the very informative vid. Only by people explaining the characteristics of the DCT will more people become aware of it qualities.

I had the 2019 AT1000 manual just changed it for the 2021 AT1100L DCT it’s fantastic😎

Finally we get an unsponsored and unbiased review that is actually useful. I'm always wary of DCT owners telling me to get one, as you say, do your research and make you own decision. I would also say don't be swayed by a hungry salesman whose job is to conceal the reason you shouldn't buy something. For me there is also the day DCT starts misbehaving itself and where is my dealer. Another great balanced opinion video Sir. Thank you from UK.

@billmcmeekin7909

2 жыл бұрын

I felt very nervous about buying this trans, but the dealership owner is a friend. So with trust in hand I bailed in last year on an adventure sports es. I've dirt biked, street biked for over 40 years. Mountain sled, quad, RZR in Mountains. Have a Z06, Boss. So I'm no stranger to clutches or a variety of transmissions. We've been across most of BC on Forestry roads, highways, cities, all while +46 for days this year, and DCT is the bomb! I truly didn't expect this to be so wonderful. You can change the format of shifting by the push of a button, and over ride with manual shifts buttons at a whim. In traffic of tight offroad you can't stall. I wouldn't buy this with out DCT, and more important toly Electronic Suspension. It changes the bike from dirt/gravel MX feel to stiffer pavement slayer at push of button. Add gear or pillion, push a button and bike maintains it's suspension abilities. Truly genius! You have a valid point though. If crap electronically goes awry you probably won't fix it along the roadside :-( I've gambled and bet on Honda reliability, and so far it's been true Honda great. Never though I'd be riding a big scooter, but I love it :-) Try one for a few days and you just may like/love it ehh :-) 🇨🇦

@joko-kc3wc

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed on your observations. Can’t just test ride this bike and expect to create a fair review. I also agree that this is a very thorough and well researched video.

I am 57 and I have all three types of motorcycles in the last 37 years of my life- scooter, manual shift and DCT. I cannot agree more with what you say in the video. Recently I bought myself a Rebel 1100 DCT model and I enjoyed the ride. Great video, indeed. Two thumbs up.

So Ian, I am a 65 year old who has been riding motorcycles since I was 10 years old. I fell in love with Adventure motorcycles long before they were called that. I first laid eyes on, and purchased a 1986 KLR 600, which was sadly stolen from my yard in late 1987. I then immediately purchased a 1988 KLR 650, which I still own and ride. Anyways, why I am writing is that in the spring I will be purchasing (if they will be available in the US) a 2024 Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES DCT. The reason is that unfortunately as I advance in age, I have developed something called Neuropathy in my legs and feet which means I have no feeling and some reduced mobility in my ankles. This has made riding very difficult for me. Honda may have saved my love of this sport for me. I have been watching your channel for many years and while reviewing this one, I thought I would add physical difficulties as another reason someone may want/need to purchase a DCT. Anyways, thanks and keep doing what you do so well.

I ride an NC750X DCT, which I have had for about 18 months. Your video very much highlights the advantages and disadvantages and, as always, is a very balanced and helpful review. For business use in an urban environment it is difficult to fault. You can concentrate on everything that is going on around you without having to give a thought to what gear am you are in. You will always be quickest off at the lights and yet in D mode you will be getting excellent mpg. The two distinct disadvantages, in my view, are the slow control manoeuvres which, without the benefit of a clutch to feather, make it more tricky. It maybe that I just need to perfect the technique of using the rear brake to modulate my speed. The second that I find (at least in D mode) is the lack of engine breaking. This, of course, can be improved by using the sports mode. That said, the ease with which one can make a manual gear change with the levers, means that you can override the DCT with ease, but this only comes with experience. 95% of the time I wonder why all bikes aren't made this way!

I have a 2021 Honda Rebel 1100DCT and I really like it. I have been riding for a very long time and it took a few minutes to get used to, but that was it. You are spot on with the advantage/disadvantage section of your video. My biggest advantage besides the fact that riding in heavy traffic is now effortless, is that now I can enjoy riding a little more by NOT having to think about what gear I'm in and whether or not I should shift.

I have 6 Manual bikes, both road and dirt and one AT DCT. It took me a while to adjust to the DCT but now I love it. I think the D Mode is fine for general touring within where sports is not needed. I’ve also added the foot shifter so I can also ride like I have a quick shifter bike. Overall I think it’s a great system. Thank you for the review.

Excellent review. Absolutely well done. This is without a doubt the best DCT review that I have seen.

The DCT on my GW Tour is....... magical.....period ! I love this thing. I do not miss the clutch, simple as that. One thing I do recommend to all, on a cold engine, PLEASE warm her up before you throttle her. DCT loves warm oil.

@johnmoylan7202

2 жыл бұрын

GW Bagger is next on my list :)

This channel and your thourough reviews have convinced me to get the Africa Twin with a DCT as my first adventure bike. I wish all reviews were as solid as yours. Thanks!

All good points, thanks for covering the DCT. I have a Wing DCT, and yes I had to adjust some riding techniques. Slow Control is one of the most difficult things to master, and I’m not quite there yet. I took a class in May 21, given by active motor officers, and one of them rode my friends DCT (he was taking the same class) and he rode it through their course like he had been riding it forever. One of the most important points you made is learn on a shifter first, you have to know the basics to be able to advance to a different platform with competence.

Getting older and clumsier, I think dct might extend my riding career.

You have hit the nail on the head with all your conclusions. Having owned the 2018 ATAS with the DCT for 3 years now, l made some small riding adjustments that overcame any of the shortcomings of this great machine. The move I use most often is downshifting while in sport mode, it’s so convenient to tap your thumb down before a turn or a pass, then grab a handful of throttle and hang on, let the bike up shift for you. Puts a smile on my face every time !

Thank you fore your info, I am 66 and have been riding over 50 years. I presently own 3 Victory Motorcycles (love them) but life is short and I was at the Honda dearler today looking to get a Goldwing DCT. I NEVER have ridden one and your video is making feel more like I would like to get one: Thank you very much and great job.

This video is a great example of why I like your content. You go thoroughly into detail and you cover everything that matters, I really apreciate what you are doing! Btw. I have watched this video already probably like 4 times 😁

Great overview! I ride the 2018 AT Anniversary Edition with DCT and love it. My comment on D mode is to think of it as Touring Mode only. The quick upshifts and coasting are fine on the 4 lane roads, but I always ride in S mode. The shifting is fine and mostly better than I could do as it senses incline and braking force to make quicker downshifts when needed. Of course you can always downshift with a finger at any time. Your comment about WFO throttle is valid, but again I just hit the button and twist. haha Off-road G mode makes all the difference with how it shifts. I haven’t even explored User modes much, but that might satisfy some users particular needs better. Heavy traffic with DCT is a Godsend ! My old BMW had a 4 finger clutch and traffic was an exercise in forearm building. Thanks !

Just brought a new Africa Twin DCT and love it! Getting used to it off road, foot brake tip is the best, been riding for 30 years and it’s so nice to ride. Great videos thank you!!

I watched this video before I bought my NC700x DCT in early September 2021. Pretty much spot on. The NC700/750 is not as capable off road as the Africa Twin but the same advantages and disadvantages apply equally. Slow speed control is a learning process, took me about a week in a parking lot to get a smooth 18’ u-turn consistently. The auto mode is a joy in the city. On the road and especially in the twisties I have learned to combine manual shifting while still in sport mode to get the best cornering and smoothness. I recently moved the rear foot brake to the left side of the handlebar(Some AT owners have done this also). It opens up a whole new experience in control. Off-road it frees up the right foot to dab or counter balance. On road it lowers the braking response time and improves feedback for me.

Im riding for 30+ years owned several bikes. İn my opinion dct is the most important invention . I owned 2016 africa manuel 25 k km than owned Dct nc750 it was great bike than owned 2019 dct africa. Im in love with it. is has also anventages on offroad riding also. When riding on tight turna like hairpins you dont need to make half clutch and your left foot can support the bike.

Thank you for making such a great video. You’re a helping person to the community.

Have to say that your reviews are the best, most thorough and balanced I have come across on this platform. Particularly enjoyed your Transalp and NC750 series😀Greetings from the UK👍

Great video thxs Very informative I just bought my DCT last week I love it

You nailed it. New Rider, only 15,000 kms under belt, had 2016 DCT. Absolutely the wrong bike for Noob. Then bought small 300L to learn off road control. Now learning that and the slow speed riding + manual and loving it. Now replacing DCT with manual. Hasn't arrived yet but given my interest about off road and off asphalt I am optimistic that now I will have the right bikes in the garage. Well at least for now.

I recently bought a 2022 NC750X DCT and I really love it. I have some physical limitations that cause me to have difficulty shifting a traditional motorcycle anymore. I learned and rode on traditional bikes for many years, but as I get older, my issues make it very difficult to continue to do so. The DCT makes it a whole new ballgame. I'm still learning to deal with the lack of a clutch as far as using it in low-speed maneuvers, but I find that using the rear brake and being smooth on the throttle makes up for much of what I've lost with the clutch deletion. The DCT is a great thing for those of us who have lost feeling in our lower legs and feet. :)

Thanx for honest opions & insights well done! Have had the DCT since 2019 on My great Vfr1200X Crosstourer & am a fan. Am also the lucky owner of old school XL650V Transalp. My expirience with DCT is very positive indeed. Dont think i would buy another new bike without it ever again. Like any new thing it needs time to grow on You. Weird at first but as you learn the behaviour its an absolutte joy. The offroad part yes it might tend at certain times to upshift at the ‘wrong’ time but by keeping finger on the downshifter you will learn to know When it happens. The magic of the DCT it will eventually seem to learn Your ridingstyle after a while & keep in gear longer. For touring & commucting its an absolutte pleasure & brings back the feeling i had as a kid riding for the first time. The Power Of Dreams.

Great video ! I own a 2017 AT DCT, I love it so relaxing to ride. I wouldn't go back to a manual again if having the choice. It does great for my style of riding, a lot of gravel and paved back roads.

Great explanation of the DCT system. I’ve had 3 of these all DCT and for me never much of an issue. My 2020 model is the best incarnation yet. So slow stuff I trail the back brake. I find it gives much better slow control. I think I would struggle to want to return to a clutch bike for all the valid reasons you state. I think the AT is the best adventure bike at the moment . More reliable than the competition. Thanks for the vid. Always very informative.

Thanks for posting this; thought provoking and timely.

I take my DCT to the Blue Ridge Parkway as often as possible and love every minute. I relax and sight see and don’t worry about shifting. It’s a game changer in the mountains !

Spot on analysis. Really nothing to add. I like mine a lot . And using the rear brake in a u turn is very natural to me. 2020 standard AT.

That was a superb balanced assessment of the advantages/disadvantages of DCT. For me (a slow rider!), the only disadvantage would be control difficulty in tight low speed manoeuvres, u-turns etc. But I guess lots of practice would be the answer to that.

We love the Honda DCT system, but here's our pipe-dream idea/wish for the future: DCT is already lightning-fast and fully computerized, we also have throttle-by-wire. Why not include a clutch-by-wire too? With electronic foot shifter, of course. I theory they could make the experience indistinguishable, with the best of both worlds - choose quickshifter or automatic mode while keeping full clutch control. Wouldn't that be the Holy Grail of motorcycling? :)

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

You can add a foot shifter to the bike, ths making it an up&down quickshifter, just without the clutch lever

@advpro

2 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto Of course, the foot shifter has been an optional accessory for years. But only pairing with a well implemented clutch-by-wire would finally erase the last true downside of the DCT.

@advpro

2 жыл бұрын

Clutch would allow fine power control and slow speed maneuvering without using the rear brake, various offroad tricks, or just the good old engine revving when in motion - things, that are not possible with the current DCT...

@jimporter

2 жыл бұрын

Honda have recently submitted the patent application for clutch by wire. It will save them a fortune not having to make and ship different engines. www.visordown.com/news/general/robo-clutch-honda-patents-ride-wire-clutch-system Important to note that in Fig 3 it is shown with the other controls including the front positioned shift button for DCT. My guess it will be first seen in the rumoured CRF850L Transalp with the new 850cc engine shown a while ago as this has a far more integrated DCT system and will likely just be available in one engine configuration. www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/honda-nc850-in-the-works/

@advpro

2 жыл бұрын

​@@jimporter Wow, this is super exciting! Thank you so much for sharing this, very promising news indeed.

Love this video. It’s exactly what I needed. Just want to point out to Big Rock Moto that the section title about whether or not you would buy one says “would I BUT one.”

Great review, thank you. Will try it out when I get the chance.

I bought a 22 Goldwing for Christmas with the DCT . I love it . Riding through traffic is so much more relaxing especially going north from Florida through Atlanta . Any big city traffic is so much easier. On long multi state rides you can enjoy more of everything around you because you have 1 less thing to think about. I’ll still keep my FJR 1300 . 👍

I rode Africa Twin 1000 2017 - 2019, Xadv 750 and the new Goldwing, the DCT is pure heaven, when you can stand up to get some wind without have to put your wrist into the clutch all the time. It's practical for me! And I love the way they sound, with higher gear, and low RPM, twist it and there you got the sound. I wish Honda make a smaller bike with another butter smooth DCT in Indonesia

I really enjoy your channel. most honest reviews. i am considering buying an africa twin but will probably opt for manual. call me old fashioned.

Coming from a VFR800F1 I specifically bought the Africa Twin AS ES 2021 because of the DCT, after riding the VFR1200X DCT of a friend. You just have to select the right mode for the job, and you are right the AT can’t think for you, so you have to do that! Setting up the 2 user modes can help… there you can set up engine brake and on the ES also the preload, damping and if set up is for on-road or off-road ABS. Strange enough not the G mode which is automatically set in the standard off-road mode. But can be set manual as well as the rear brake ABS. At least in the “gold” display, which I have set for each riding mode. When the set up is to your satisfaction, you can change to less information displayed. Thanks for your clear explanation, well done!

DCT gear shifts with the optional foot lever are AWESOME ! Sport mode S2 is super and D-mode is just to save fuel - perfect for long adventure rides !

@hunczar

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!!

Thanks a lot for your clear expression in this very informative video

Tried the previous generation version and liked it a lot. I had seen the videos about using the rear brake and it was easier than turning my GoldWing with a manual clutch (it is a few hundred pounds lighter). I suggest that you try it before buy it. On the road it is wonderful, Don't rev the throttle at the light or you will be in for a big surprise.

I have had my 2016 since 2016, I also have a trials background so learning the slow speed stuff was a piece of cake. When off road and 80% of the time on road ,I shift manually. I do not enjoy riding in groups and because of the excellent engine braking I would be afraid others may ride too close and dont feel like flashing my brake lights just to alert them. When cars are behind I am in the habit of flashing my brake lights. The paddle shifters are precise instantaneous and smooth. And as you stated "It's not an automatic!"

I have owned my 2019 AT Standard DCT for about a year and half now. I love it, there are only a couple instances where I would prefer a clutch. The first being riding off road and needing to pop the wheel up to go up and over an obstacle. I still haven't quite figured that out yet. The other instance is the ability to coast down hill. It would be nice if there was a way to disengage the clutch for that. I have had it shift on a corner twice that I can remember, the first time scared the crap out of me, and if it wasn't for traction control I would have gone down. The second time, I wasn't being very aggressive, so I was able to adjust before it was a problem. I think my favorite thing about the DCT is that fact that it is next to impossible to stall. This comes in very handy in sand and rocky hills. Thanks for your work. I have often thought I would make it to a Hump day ride with the Monkeys in hopes of meeting you, but it I usually don't have time to get out there from Orange county before Kickstand up time. Maybe one of these days.

Thank you For your great video , I ride a gsa 1200 , and find myself looking more and more at the Honda DCT , and today your the first person to sit down and talk of the main differences between ridding a manual or DCT , I just wished Honda uk would let us have a weekend test and not just an hour if your lucky. It’s such a massive change I couldn’t possibly decide in an hour if it’s for me , so I see me back at BMW for the new 1250 . What a shame Honda !

Thank you for the great reviews especially on this particular motorcycle with DCT. As I will be traveling 99.9% on tar commuting and touring it all makes sense what you have mentioned in this video - I'm waiting on delivery from factory / distribution center to the dealership.

I have the dct box on my vfr1200x crosstourer. I bought the bike because of the dct box. It's brilliant for all the reasons you espouse. The extra weight is not a factor on the already heavy crossy. Touring with a pillion is amazingly comfortable. I also have a standard box on my Yamaha, and I prefer the Honda every time - such that the Yamaha is being sold!!

@CrossDCT

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Love my VFR 1200X DCT, powerful V4, shaft drive and DCT, I wished the same in my dreams nearly 30 years before... Regards from AUSTRIA

I have a 2021 Honda Gold Wing DCT and I love it. You do have to get use to using your back breaks and the throttle in slow turn maneuvering. I still think it’s easier using the friction zone with a clutch during slow speed turns, especially with a passenger. With that said, the DCT is the best all around experience.

Had mine for 6 months or so and really like it. For the most part I am use to some of the issues it has and it's now second nature. I frequently ride it from Pine Valley to Idlywild and back and try to hit as much dirt as we can and it works great!! Great review BTW....

@BigRockMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

Thanks! This is the most serious, structured and unbiased analisys of the question. I think I'll go for DCT.

Good video I believe you hit all the good and bad points right on the head. I have a 2019 it took me a while to get used to it but I do mainly road riding and it works well.

Very informative review of the DCT. I don't own a DCT bike, but I have been riding DCT bikes a few times. It is really great for normal riding and touring will be fantastic. I may buy one if I were to get a new bike. I found myself in a situation a while back on my manual bike where I was absolutely glad I did not have a DCT. I was going around a slow corner in deep sand. The front washed out a little and I inadvertently opened the throttle at angle while I tipped over and I could pull in the clutch as I held the bike up. On a DCT, I would have pulled off at speed and crashed into the bush. Other than that, I truly enjoy the technology.

Enjoyed the video. I have the Honda NC700S with DCT. I bought it because of a disability with my right hand. I have had the bike converted so that the throttle and front brake are now on the left handlebar. I also have a ride by wire foot change as well. I really like the DCT, though I never use the D mode, it changes up far too early and changes down far too late. I normally drive in S mode and occasionally M mode. I find the footchange really helpful for me. I do however miss having a clutch in slow manoeuvres and find tight turning a challenge at times. But overall I think it’s great, doesn’t take any of the enjoyment away from riding.👍

I love my 2019 Goldwing DCT. It’s perfect for me , a 65 year old cruiser , tourer. I think your right about aggressive sport riders not liking theDCT. Your right about making tight U turns , a clutch is far superior. Also I was surprised that you endorsed a DCT for off road and adventure riders . I would think a clutch would be desirable , but I wouldn’t know I’m not that kind of rider. I use the toggle switch override all the time especially to down shift. Having said that I feel the DCT is remarkably intuitive in figuring out how to shift gears. I love it on the twisties and the interstate and would recommend it to anybody thinking of buying a Goldwing. Great video , spot on analysis. Thank you!

I was vehemently against this technology for many years. I guess it is my advanced years talking or I am more open-minded to change. Ultimately it is about the ride and our motorcycle culture and community. Who cares what you have or what you ride. It is the fact you have the balls to get away from the ordinary and the mundane. Complacency is death. Good presentation as usual. Pensive and entertaining!

Currently riding a Honda 750NC DCT and love it. Been very happy with it both in city traffic and on long term cruises.

You hit the nail on the head. I use the DCT for commuting through Los Angeles traffic and I love it. Really dislike the automatic mode, I never use it. I have the CTX700. Top speed sucks. It's a struggle to get to 100mph. My biggest complaint is how quiet it is, and not being able to Rev my engine when splitting lanes to make my presence known. Other than that, love the bike! It's very nimble and easy to ride.

I really like the quality of your videos. One of the best motorcycle content providers out there. For me with over 110k on Yamaha Super Teneres and that bike going out of production, the AT is most likely my next bike. This is just my opinion, but all of the pros you listed are of no consequence to me and the cons are very negative. Maybe I'm a luddite, but I really want to have control over my gears and slow speed clutch control. I never found shifting or clutching unnatural or even noticeable, so my AT is the Adventure Sports ES Manual.

Another great video, thank you!

Great honest take on the future of motorbikes 😁 I have both the Goldwing tour and Africa twin A sport ES . I have had both since they first came on sale 2018-2019 I’ve done 15000 miles on the wing and 5000 on the twin I have been riding for 40 years on and off road, and I have noticed a lot of “hate” towards DCT ! I truly think these are the future and the best all round experience while doing what I do most which is touring. I love the twin but can’t live with the seat for tours 😭 it is possibly the most uncomfortable I have ever known to the point where I’m getting shot of it , but as a DCT bike it’s magnificent, but as an off road bike it’s far to heavy (I know the standard twin is lighter but still big bike). Love what Honda are doing and truly don’t understand why no other manufacturers are even close to DCT ? I love everything about the wing and am now waiting for the 2022 model with radar Cruze 🙏 can’t wait these game changing improvements make riding better and better . Ps I’m a big Klim guy too 👍🕺great gear

I hadn't thought about gear changing as a distraction. I had learnt a bit about working memory being limited to thinking actively about roughly seven things at once. Now you point it out, considering how many things a rider has to take on board, removing the clutch as a distraction must free up brain space for other stuff. Good point. :)

I bought a 2016 AT with DCT a year ago because it was what was available. I've grown to love the DCT, but I ride almost exclusively in manual mode. Shifts are smoother and quicker than I could ever achieve consistently with a manual clutch. But I like to control the gear. I live in a fairly hilly area and the DCT just can't cope with riding up a steep hill, especially at low speed. Off-road, it's great. The times I wish I could feather the clutch are getting fewer and farther between.

I bought a 500 mile 2019 used with a DCT because it was a great deal. I was apprehensive at first but actually really like it now after putting 1k miles on it mostly off road. I’m an experienced off road rider/racer and really don’t see what the low speed ride-ability issues people talk about..use the front or rear brake to modulate speed and it’s not an issue. This is actually my first bike that wasn’t originally equipped with knobbys, so I’m ignorant to any on road concerns. Once you figure out which mode you like and get the traction control dialed its really nice. The only thing I think it doesn’t do well is anticipate down shifts, but the trigger shift is super easy and always available. Little known fact, Factory Honda racer Jean-Michel Bayle won a Japanese Supercross on a works DCT bike in the mid 90’s.

Well done! I have owned a 2017 AT DCT since new in 2018. My ride home from the dealership was very uninspiring to say the least. I had seen videos on the DCT and had high hopes, this is not a system that as an experienced rider hops on and is suddenly moved to buy the big “scooter”. Three years later a CaBDR and 11000 miles on the clock I LOVE my DCT the benefits of this system outweigh the very small deficiencies that the AT DCT has. There are many reviews out there that are from a short time spent on the DCT and our built in bias leave most feeling like I did on my ride home S3 and use the paddles as needed and the big “scooter “ gets it done! You spent the time to really get to know what is has to offer and it’s a very capable bike. I have zero regrets . Thanks again for a great honest look at what AT DCT is and isn’t!

@BigRockMoto

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Thanks.

Very interesting. I've never ridden a DCT but I have long used the rear brake to modulate power - it gives much improved control over the bike in slow traffic, lane splitting or just tight manoeuvring as you are doing here with the Honda. Slipping the clutch and riding the rear brake is an advanced riding skill but an essential one, particularly when riding slow with a pillion. I think DCT is the right transmission for a car because it permits much better control but I wouldn't get it for a bike though I'd be curious to try it.

For my commute DCT sounds like a good option. I put an auto clutch in my current bike to help alleviate the slow speed, heavy traffic clutch work.

I bought 2020 model cause left ankle fracture. Fantastic. You are correct about slow speed turning. Requires practice. I love the versatality given all the features

I have been riding my 2020 Honda Gold Wing Tour DCT Air Bag model for 2 years now, and I love it. I have not found myself in any circumstances where the DCT has not put me in the appropriate gear for the circumstance. I am considering purchasing an adventure/touring bike in the near future, and I will get that bike in a manual transmission, because I am an aggressive rider when I am off-road. In my experience, Honda is pretty good at allowing prospective buyers to take a DCT for a test ride. So, before you spend the money on a major purchase, try to take one for test ride so you can decide for yourself.

I love my 2016 DCT Africa Twin. It was a bit of a learning curve at first, now it stays in sport 1 and traction control off when I ride it. My 2007 KLR 650 is still a hoot to ride for a host of different reasons too.

I have the current X-ADV 750 and the DCT works great for my riding style. I got it because after years of left hand swelling, getting aftermarket quick shifters etc, this was the solution for me to concentrate more on the ride, not worrying about false neutrals or engine cut-off on technical inclines on the trail. Yup, you will feel the weight of a DCT but it is outweighed (pun) by the benefits. I put it on Gravel Mode and it becomes a bit smarter on the shifts by quickly adapting to wheel slips, giving you less or more torque when you need it. I'd get a DCT Africa Twin next. It is that good.

Great Video, Thanks. You said you don't the time lag when opening the throttle for an overtake, I solve that by hitting the Down Shift Button as I open her up, Works well.

Yes 💯 agree with all you say.. I bought the dct model and I love it. I will say I have gotten use to the D mode now. It’s not to bad. Only on down shift I on a hill/bend I might have to down shift myself.. Also on a U-Turn I can do them a lot better now that I dropped the front 10mm and the read 1 inch.. no need to use the back brake. I’ve been green lanes one time on it and loved it. Never done green lanes before.. I bout this bike because I use to ride sport bikes.. but after a crass I lost the use of my left foot ( foot Drop ).. I first went to cruiser bikes but I never used it.. So I thought yes why not the dct Africa Twin.. because it’s more an all weather bike. It’s an off road bike and I don’t need to use my foot 🦶 👍👍👍 Great video 👍👍👍

Thank you Ian for an exelent presentation of DCT. I have a Honda X-ADV750 2017 70000km, never back to manual.

Great video & comments. I ride in manual all the time, leave it to downshift on its own as I slow down at junctions. It’s so much easier to ride, on and off road, especially with a pillion. I would agree with the downside re slow speed handling, but you do get used to it.

Very nice review of the DCT system. From how I understand your explanation and what I've seen when you and others ride it, it seems to work in the same way as the Volkswagen DSG system. That system has been around ages and has proven itself thoroughly throughout that time.

I ride mostly urban and value fuel economy. I am excited to buy a DCT. Iknow my Goldwing will be DCT. My Africa Twin I went manual but that was because I didn't want the weight. If I buy an ATAS in the future that would be DCT. Honda is committed to this technology and it opens riding to some folks who might not be riding. Great content.

Right on the money. I’ve owned nc700 and gold wing dct both are great saves your hand from cramping and I down shift with a flick of a button in 2 tenths of a second it will hold the down shift for 8 to 10 seconds. You were correct about down hill gear hold , I warn people about that as the biggest disadvantage. Was coming down a hill in Tennessee holding in 3rd and suddenly up shifted which sent me Accelerating towards the edge of the road very unnerving

I own a 2023 Africa Twin with DCT, and I rarely experience unvoluntary upshifts for the sake of fuel economy. Two things to mention: if you fully close the throttle, the DCT won't upshift at all, so you have your full engine brake. And the newer AT models have a so called 6 axis IMU, which can detect leaning angles. The AT uses this information for adjusting the ABS braking in corners, and it uses IMU data to keep the DCT from shifting unneccesarily in turns. However, you still may encounter unexpected downshifting in very narrow turns (for example in small runabouts) when you enter the turn in 2nd gear and slow down very much. In order not to stall, the bike may shift down in 1st gear, which is quite an odd feeling when you encounter it the first time. When riding with DCT you should not always rely on the DCT to properly shift down. I made the experience once or twice that I approached an intersection and wanted to stop, and I just pulled the brake. The powertrain felt like still pushing forward so I had the impression that I had to brake down against the engine. This becomes much, much better when you shift down manually, before the DCT computer realizes that you seriously want to get slower. And another thing to mention: There is this Austrian guy named "Varahannes" who has put over 400,000 miles so far on a 2016 Africa Twin with DCT. He says that during normal riding he never touches the rear wheel brake: "I downshift instead, DCT is my rear brake." Last thing to mention: If you want to shift manually and miss a foot lever, Honda sells you one for your AT with DCT. It costs about 500 USD, at least over here in Germany.

Although it's not a deal-breaker for me it's good to know the negatives you covered in advance. I'm more of big city traffic and long rides-road cruiser not an off-road rider anymore so it looks very viable for me. I'll be looking at the new NT1000 when it arrives in the US.

Finally and unbiased, good bits plus the warts and all review of the DCT, without the "your not a real motorcyclist without a clutch" macho rubbish. Thanks. I have a 2019 ATAS with the DCT and I think for my mission profile of commuting, weekend rides with a good measure of unsealed roads it is excellent. The only thing I miss is the very low speed ability to feather the clutch. However I have found that I can just reach the park brake lever on the ATAS to apply light rear wheel braking for fine speed control. It is a new technique to learn but I like learning different ways. In traffic on the commute I find the DCT would be hard to beat for ability to just concentrate of those trying to kill you. I would most defiantly buy another DCT in preference to a clutch machine if I replaced my AT.

Riding a 2016 DCT Africa Twin myself for almost two years now. The reason I got it was because of riding home-work-home every day and lanesplitting a good portion of those daily rides. I had been in a accident at work with woodworking machines, leaving me with 2 fingers half amputated on my left hand. This happened a few years earlier. So commuting daily always left me with painfull (half) fingers and stress about traffic/using the clutch ALL the time. I should have gotten a DCT right after having the accident, it is the best riding experience for me for sure! Looking back at riding the DCT for almost two years now, I would recommend it to anyone!

@raymondo162

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if it was me, i'd be recommending being more careful around woodworking machinery ;-)

I have a 2018 NC750s and even though it might occasionally shift mid-corner, it's smooth and fast enough that it doesn't bother me too much. The advantages far outweigh the disadvantages for me. I can 100% concentrate on the ride, the traffic and the environment I'm in. It's just relaxed and let's me focus on what's important. Would definitely always opt for the DCT until electric bikes with enough range are available.

I bought the 2020 AT DCT because I was tired of hearing everyone else's opinion and wanted my own. I really enjoy it. There is no question that it's different but it's those differences that as an owner with time on the machine when I switch from my dirtbike to the AT I subconsciously change my riding technique to accommodate. I use it as a sport tourer with 95% on the pavement as I think most adventure bikes just don't make sense for serious offroad riding.

I'll add this, While ridding my Honda AT with the DCT in the most twisty and steep mountain roads, I had so many shift changes per mile that I would have worn out my clutch hand and surly missed a few shifts because of fatigue. Also agree about the helmet smashing thing, what a difference the DCT make with that. 200 plus miles on those switchback turns, countless shifts, and not one helmet impact.

Proud owner of DCT AT 2017 . Just amazing even on off-road with 60:40 or 50:50 tyres simply amazing experience . 👍🏻

Have GW dct and love it. All OK in twisties if switched to manual. I didn't know I was suposed to have a problem with slow speed turns until watching this video, LOL!

That was very insightful, thanks

Got the AT DCT 2021 and its a dream for me after 34 years of motorcycle enjoyment. It’s safer too especially in tightening radius turns where you can downshift easy and smoothly. I keep it on S1 for touring and S2 for fun and use the paddles to shift up or down when I want. Not for beginners though and watch out if you like bleeping the engine in traffic to let people know your there… forget about that. Finally, my passengers loves and that means more rides, further rides for the two of us 👍 Thanks Ian, it’s always great content from you. Ride safely

@lukamarkovic1706

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Why do you say its not for begginers?

@arnaudvasquez7637

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Because learning to control your shifting and the effects of engine braking is important to ride safely. The DCT is fantastic and it’s enjoyed best by regularly taking over. Also, slow speed manœuvres are more tricky. A beginner will be fine though, it’s a safe system

Terrific vid. I've never tried DCT and have seen quite a few DCT equipped bike reviews. But seldom is DCT covered in any detail - just the odd mention of being great for the reviewed bike (nc750x/forze 750/Goldwing eg) or good alternative to manual (AT). I'm looking forward to the probable nc1000 DCT and will give it a try.

Nicely done. You've really upped your game on the channel.

@BigRockMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I have one and I love it; still learning it, but enjoying it!!!