How do you set proper gear mesh? 🤔

@Bziiit.

3 жыл бұрын

Just like you did!

@ricksprings

3 жыл бұрын

I cut piece of paper & insert between pinion and spur gears. When I thread lock & torque motor mount screw paper sets up perfect gap.

@JohnieDSM

3 жыл бұрын

I usually check mesh by the spur gear - I think more precise option PS - motor was connected the same as android Valter/David repaired:D

@dynasty4851

3 жыл бұрын

I use a peice of paper

@leo0528

3 жыл бұрын

Cool Video and useful too! But i wanna buy the new Kraton exb... but im unsure if i just go with the stock 2050kv engine like in the stock kraton or the max6 combo with 1650. Does the Max 6 combo got more Power than the stock 2050kv one? (i would drive on 6s)

I don't know why this video does not get the liking it deserves, in my opinion, this is the best guide of how to build a Mojave EXB!👍👍👍👍👍

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! I wish it had more views too!

@waybandy8211

Жыл бұрын

Very much agreed!

What an absolutely clear and concise tutorial! Watching videos like this gives us newbies the confidence (and new found knowledge) to take on tasks that would otherwise be left to someone else. I salute you Sir 👏🏼

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Hey Scott, glad to help! Thanks for watching the channel!

Damn Rich, Your the "mac daddy" of soldering gizmo's.. This video is quite awesome and you don't miss a thing explaining.

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave! Soldering is almost like therapy......it takes a bit to get through it, but the results after doing it a while is good!

Great Video! I think the Mojave EXB will be my next RC, and my Second Arrma. I just bought the TLR Typhon, and love it!

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

The Mojave EXB was my favorite Arrma to date

Another excellent video! Love my Max6 Combo in my Mojave! Keep up the good work Rich, be safe👍

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gabe! The Max 6 is a beast in the Mojave!

@jordanpierce1366

3 жыл бұрын

What motor did you combo it with?

@gabemartinez8321

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordanpierce1366 I'm running the HobbyWing 1650kv

Whoa! So awesome running your hooked up Mojave an thats one of the coolest spots ever

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy - it was fun driving and filming this!

I have this same setup on my Typhon TLR tuned and it's as bullet proof as the Typhon. I have it geared 2 to 1 so it runs kinda hot but I give it breaks to cool down sometimes but that's it. Blast through water, mud, fine powdery dust then water. It doesn't even skip a beat.

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Nice! Happy RCing!

Good video I’ve just got into 1/8t stuff from being a old school Tamiya guy when out got this exact truck exb model keep up the great content dude

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy!

What a great video. I have this set up in my Kraton V4 and soon to be in my new Mojave EXB. Thanks for sharing. Subed.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thanks for the sub!

This is an amazing video on how to solder ! This is also my first soldering job with the max6 ! I'm installing it in my notoriousv5 & can't wait to get that animal off road 🛣️ !!

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cool - glad to help! It's a beast of a system for the Arrma's

@WestOzRC

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck bro, I love my Max6 set up and I'm sure you will too. Bash on brother.

Hobbywing NA "RMA" (warranty) customer service is A1!!! I live in los angeles and I agree. I got mine the next day like you mentioned.

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, they're great to deal with

Very informative thanks for the tips! keep it up rich..

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tutz!

Hi Richard, forget my last. My bad. I put the connectors into the receiver wrong. Sorted now! It flies! Thanks the video helped me a lot!

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know! Happy RCing!

Great tutorial and cinematography

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks William

As always, first class!

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy!

Exactly what I needed, thanks a lot

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

On every rig... Hobbywing 😎👍 Not hating on Castle but I have always used Hobbywing or Hobbywing rebranded stuff! In my Mojave EXB I run a Max6 equivalent (8s) of a Spektrum Firma 160 with a 1580kv on a 25 Tooth.... She Flies... Wheelies for days when I want them and thrown some insane flips as well for a SCT😱😂😳😎😎 You will love this setup! Mojave is a BEAST! I'm about to drop my 3rd Mojave EXB Vid... I can't get enough of this truck.... Arrma Nailed it! Thanks so much for your detailed breakdown 😎👍 Great video brother!

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! Yeah, I haven't been a Castle fan in probably 10 years now....ever since all of the issues with the MMP (Mamba Max Pro). Then I found Hobbywing and they've really up'd their game. and YES, the Mojave is probably my favorite RC right now....especially the EXB

@franciscoduran3688

2 жыл бұрын

Hi 3 Sons RC, I´m thinking to buy an used but almost new EXB with Spektrum (Firma) 160A Smart ESC and Firma 1100kV Motor (5687 size). Your Motor has more RPM but has maybe less torque? The seller has 30/35/40t pinions in his offer. That should be quite powerfull? What do you think? Till now I have only ridden 1/10s 2wd and 4wd. 3S-5S...

@3SonsRC

2 жыл бұрын

@@franciscoduran3688 that setup is going to be an absolute beast! To be honest it probably too much for that rig.... Stock or slightly above stock is plenty, but you could always buy it and gear it down.... I would think 35t would be nuts. My 2 Cents

With a 22t I manage to pop wheelies. In a short course truck!! I would recommend Scorched Parts wheel fenders with Arrmas front dirt guards. The centre stays clean even in the dirt. It can block cooling, so a better ESC fan and one for the motor may be a good idea if the guards are fitted

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

God info right there! Thanks for watching!

@leo0528

3 жыл бұрын

but can it get to hot (the max 6 combo with 1650kv on 6s with a 22t pinion?) and does it has more power than the stock 2050kv setup?

@yaffajaff

3 жыл бұрын

@@leo0528 Any power system will get hot regardless of gearing if it's ran hard and consistently and in warmer weather. For me it's fine for average bashing! However I have the Scorched Parts fenders on mine which can block air flow, so I fitted a 40mm fan on the motor

Wow such a helpful video!

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

Wow nice footage my friend = )

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by!

Nice vid very professional. Thanks for sharing 😎👍🏻🇬🇧

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by!

Thank you for making this

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

Very good vdo man. IMAX like resolution;) Great job!

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I always try and have the best quality video/audio on my videos.....

I have this in mine. Awesome!

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@leo0528

3 жыл бұрын

Hi SpeedSyko! I wanna buy the new Kraton exb... but im unsure if i just go with the stock 2050kv engine like in the stock Kraton or the max6 combo with 1650kv. Does the Max 6 combo got more Power than the stock 2050kv one? (i want to drive on 6s)

Hello. i have just got Mojave EXB brand new. Could you please recommend which electronic system combo i should go with plus the pinion gear? i'm going to run with 2x3S 8000mAh 100C battery. thank you.

Just a side note on the esc install. You can trace the bottom of the esc onto a thin piece of paper. Then flip the esc over and use the square you just cut out to poke holes through the paper where the mounting holes are on the bottom of the esc. Then use the paper to locate the position of the esc onto the esc mounting plate and mark where the holes are. Then drill the holes. Now you can mount the esc with screws. Feel free to use some double sided tape in there as well. This holds up better than just tape itself. Double side note. The supplied plastic esc mount is pretty weak and breaks easy. Get the m2c mount.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Good tip!

Perfect execution on a tutorial 👌🏻 I’ve just bought a second hand Mojave EXB and its got the HW Max8 2200Kv. Is this going to be a problem do think? I’m thinking of upgrading to a max6🤔

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! It might be a bit under powered....keep an eye on the temps.....I ran that combo in an EXB Kraton and it did decently

great video thanks!

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by!

Please provide a link to your servo.

Thankyou nice job.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by!

can you make video. How to connect Bateri To ECS..Like That ?

Hi, great vid. Does this ESC works smart like when your truck is in stand still (and you have not used the brake before) you press the throttle forward to initiate reverse then you do not have to do it twice: first brake then reverse but it does it for the first press knowing that as the vehicle is stopped no need for braking? Thanks!

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, as long as you go past center on the throttle it will engage the brake. Of course braking power can be controlled via the program card. You can also activate drag brake to instantly engage a slight brake when you take your finger off the throttle. Many racers use this to slow down in turns

I used to test mesh on 1/8 buggy by sound and feel, but I always went too loose and would get excessive wear on the pinion, I have stopped that method and use the paper trick. I haven't had any mesh issues since. Or heavy wear like I've seen so many times. That mesh sounded loose to me, is it mod1 gearing?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, Mod 1....and I agree, it can be easily set too loose......but it is a sound and feel that I use for setting mesh. Initially, the sound was loose....but when tightened down, you may have noticed the pitch of the "click" went down...meaning it tightened, just slightly

Cool, I was thinking about someday getting a Mojave EXB but right now i'm working on an XO-1 (Old Version) and i'm thinking about putting the same Hobbywing combo you have in your Mojave in my XO-1. I wonder if the Hobbywing motor will fit in the car it's only 1.4mm thicker that stock motor and it's the same length. Love your video i hope you have a great evening.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

I would think it would.....

Very cool build as always. How well does that motor handle 8s.? Do you think that set up is to much for that car would a max 8 be enough ?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Technically, HW says it's only 6s capable.....but that doesn't mean you can't run 8s with the right gearing. I'm running like a 22/23 right now on 6s, so when I try 8s, I'll likely drop to a 14/15t and watch the temps

what pinion size you use..im yor fan from malaysia

Great video 👍👍 Which Motor Pinion have you drooped in her?..

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

I believe I up'd it to a 22t now for the running video. The included pinion is likely for 8s/higher kv motor. It was sluggish on 6s

Hell yeah, I bet it rips

@TheRCNetwork

20 күн бұрын

Yep, it does!

_I would think goin 8s would be a given lol ...nice scenery looks like the high dessert a.v._

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

It's not recommended, but hey, who follows rules these days?

is this the best can-size for bashing....or would a lighteer motor be more wise?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

It all depends on which car it’s going in.

I have a new Max 8 n my Fireteam & it’s installed just like yours but no matter what I do I get no response when connected to a battery. My guess is it’s the receiver which is the original with Stock Spectrum controller not bound to the new esc. It’s just been sitting.

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Likely the receiver/radio. You may want to re-bind the receiver to the radio, then check all receiver wires (one to turn, two to burn) along with polarity.

Cool Video and useful too! But i wanna buy the new Kraton exb... but im unsure if i just go with the stock 2050kv engine like in the stock kraton or the max6 combo with 1650. Does the Max 6 combo got more Power than the stock 2050kv one? (i would drive on 6s)

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

The Max 6 has the grit needed to move that nearly 20lbs truck. The stock 2050 is decent, but I think the Max 6 has an advantage....especially the 1650kv on 6s. you'll have a ton of bottom end torque

@benszozda5280

2 жыл бұрын

i am running max 6 with 4985 motor on 20t pinion...the car is a beast but i am having issues with rear differential gears...just ordered hardened set on ebay and hope it will solve the issue

What do you do for the temperature sensor? Do you need that if you want to set the cut off temperature for safety?

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

I don't run one. Usually for my first few runs, I'll temp check the electronics and batteries after 5 minutes, 10 minutes, etc and when the batteries are done. If there's any issues, it usually means pinion choice was off or other issues

Nice work Rich! How would this system compare to the stock Spektrum in the std Mojave?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's a step above - as with all of their EZRun systems, they usually have a slight advantage over stock electronics....but I'd be curious if the Spectrum system isn't already made by Hobbywing though

@Baconstorr

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork the spektrum electronics are made in the hw fabrick but the origineel combo is already powerful enough

Any chance on getting a link to that silicone tape you used on the ESC?

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

God, I bought it long ago from Amazon.....Just make sure it's the all silicon tape

Putting this in my e revo 2.0 soon

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

It's a great combo, hopefully the 2.0 will have the space for it

@wake2779

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork well it don’t fit, hits the suspension guard but a custom mount should fix it

hi, what size is the attack sprocket on a 15T or 20T engine

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

It's the 20t that came with the EXB - it was perfect for the motor/voltage I was using

Would you recommend a Hoby wing moter and ESC.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, of course, they make great stuff. It all depends on which car though.....

Good vid. Were you driving it at a mountain bike jump track?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

It's a no-mans-land area in SoCal....kids have built ramps for BMX and there's MTB trails coming from all angles there too

Can this setup produce 70mph in a k8s?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure....it would depend on the weight of your truck, gearing and voltage. Technicaly the 1650 is not 8s compatible....but doesn't mean you can't try it....but watch the temps. My educated guess - yes, it should be able

Is that the max 6 v3? What are the difference from the older versions?

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Usually on the motors, it's just incremental improvements. The ESC's are usually what changes a lot. Check out the hobbywingdirect website for all the details

But the motor screws comes in which kit, the mojave or the combo.. i d'ont see mine 😑

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

In my Mojave EXB, I had a bag with the motor bolts and the pinion gear....but I heard they no longer include these.....or some people have reported this

Hi Richard, I have just built my Mojave using the exact same setup except with a Futaba 4PM. When I try to set up the ESC I can get one beep for neutral but nothing after thar. Strangely when I turn the steering it gives me 2 beeps and hen I ditch off ad on again the steering controls the throttle! Every time I go back into programming mode the same happens! Any ideas? Thanks Colin

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Hey - I'd clear out that current model's memory and start over. First bind the receiver to the radio, then calibrate the ESC to the radio. Make sure you have the receiver wires plugged in (polarity wise) correct and channel one for steering and channel two for throttle. If no tones for throttle again, you can try reversing channel 2.

@gonzodetroitify

3 жыл бұрын

🤨Turn your brakes up a little more on the remote 😉

Hows the system holding on after all these months is it worth the money i am on the fence about getting it

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

It's 100% worth the money! Great system, still doing great!

I am looking for options for my E-Revo. Do you think one of these would be a good choice?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

The ESC should be ideal.....but check the motor dimensions to make sure it will fit....49mm x 85mm

@leo0528

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork Cool Video and useful too! But i wanna buy the new Kraton exb... but im unsure if i just go with the stock 2050kv engine like in the stock kraton or the max6 combo with 1650. Does the Max 6 combo got more Power than the stock 2050kv one? (i would drive on 6s)

could you make a speed build with this combo? 1/8th scale chassis on 6s and a massive pinion gear?

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you'd need to check that the motor fits in your RC (it's massive) along with the size of gearing you want

@haks_123

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork thank you

I already have a program card from the hobbywing quickrun fusion 1800 (which is awesome btw). Can I use that card? Or is there a "special one that only goes with the G2"? Thanks.

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

It might work....I've never figured out why some cards work and others don't

@jeffparryncc1701

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork ;)

Great tutorial. You're located in socal? Where was this bashing spot?

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks - it’s in San Clemente

@codnamerich

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork awesome... I'm in HB not too far

Can i use 8s batteries with this motor? Then i wanted to know if the combo already comes with battery connectors

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

They do not recommend 8s on this motor...the lower kv can handle it....and no connectors

@Alkatraz8187

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork Thank you very much for the information.👍

we have the Max 6 in the Kraton EXB....no matter what we try, the Pinion comes off....any tipps?

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Blue Loctite and let it sit for 24 hours before running. I've had the same issues with the Max 6, just gotta check it often

@Hirthirthirt

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork we even tried red Loctite and let it sit for 2 days. It held für 2 packs or so. Now we ordered D-Bore pinions and give these a try (for my friends Kraton and my Mojave...both being EXB's)

Will this max 6 ez run esc work with my stock motor on kraton 6s v5? I want to get the max 6 but keep the same motor

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, should work nicely....but double check the bullet sizes....they're most likely larger on the Max 6

@boomerak4774

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork you're correct they are larger but thanks for the reply. I think I'm gonna go to the max 6 next since my spectrum esc all of sudden went out on me in my kraton 6s v5 smh

Where is this bash spot at. Area looks familiar

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

It's in San Clemente, CA

I ran this on my Mojave, I ran the poop out of this with 8S. It’s rated for 6s but it ran insane and never got hot. Shredded frond and rear diffs. Fun, not recommended.

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know on the combo running on 8s.....haven't tried that yet

have you run it on 6s? I was wondering as the info for esc and motor contradicts each other on the hw website

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

The 1650 is 6s or below....the running video at the end is all 6s on a 22t pinion. The 1650 cannot take 8s, although the ESC is capable.....but I may gear down and try it

@leo0528

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork Hi Rich! I wanna buy the new Kraton exb... but im unsure if i just go with the stock 2050kv engine like in the stock Kraton or the max6 combo with 1650kv. Does the Max 6 combo got more Power than the stock 2050kv one? (i want to drive on 6s)

@Theroux1989

3 жыл бұрын

@@leo0528 my friend has one on 6S with a Castle 1515 2200kv and Mamba Monster X and it’s quite a bit an animal. If you give it too much throttle it will instantly flip on it’s lid. Sure it’s not geared stupidly fast, maybe 45-50mph but it’s perfectly fine for bashing imo.

How long it will last on 11.1V 5700mah battery?

@TheRCNetwork

5 ай бұрын

Always a loaded question.....which is dependent on which RC? What terrain? In 3s or 6s configuration? Driving style? Lot's of factors in electric range....

Where you located at man, that track is sick!!!

@TheRCNetwork

Жыл бұрын

That's in San Clemente, CA

Hey, nice built! How do you feel about the smaller Max8 2200kv? Would you always prefer the the Max6?

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

For the Mojave, the Max 6 is the way to go. Even the Kraton needs the Max6.

can you follow the same steps for a typhon 6s

@TheRCNetwork

11 ай бұрын

Yep, should be very similar

@pedroalonso6414

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheRCNetworkthanks I jusy got the combo yesterday and ima try to install it myself. I'm a beginner so hopefully ik what I'm doing lol

@pedroalonso6414

11 ай бұрын

​@TheRCNetwork do you need to put the ring that came with the spektrum motor onto the new one?

One question what size pinion did you use

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it was a 22t

I put a max6 taurus rocket red an black motor. 6$. In mine about too put it on the road. That motor is pure power check them out guys.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Happy RCing

did I miss something? Did he not install a Fan on the motor? I hope he did in the end, be a shame to over heat that expensive motor. Plus did he grease differentials and the gears? Hope I missed it.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

A properly set up RC with a properly matched motor/esc never needs a fan on the motor. All of my custom builds rarely have a motor fan. I checked all three diffs before I ran and they were properly greased (external) and filled with diff fluid (internal). Spur/pinion never need grease

That double sided tape is no joke

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

I know, huh>?

Where have you been Rich, we miss seeing your videos.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Hey buddy! I finally hung up my RC hat in August of last year. It was a great ride and I've enjoyed all the people I've met along the way. I still have a couple of RC's and may make a video or two sometime, but now, I'm off to my other hobby of mountain biking!

@letfingerswalk

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork Glad to hear you are doing well.

So this is the same platform as the krayton......i had no idea.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

It's similar, but not the same dimensions

@qvo3426

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork like the smaller outcast?

Great video! Where that track is located? I will get my Mojave there! Thanks

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

It's in San Clemente, CA....off the neaten path though.

@marcoserbach3848

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork Thanks man!

"Thats a little to tight for my liking" It was too loose, it should be as close as any possible without to stuck. It is not supposed to be noisy. In order to have a narrow fit you use shims in the diffs.....so why going that wide on the pinion???

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has their opinions.....I have however never stripped a spur (except for that one in an Axial Bomber...). That's way over 100 kits and probably 2-300 RTR's

@Hirthirthirt

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork but whats the idea behind a loose gear-mesh?

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hirthirthirt you want zero resistance against the motor. Resistance builds heat, and you lose power.

I have this combo in my kraton EXB, I can't want to run it!!!!

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Great combo for the Kraton EXB

The recommended set up would be more like so… Max8 is for 1/8 scale, Max6 is for 1/8 or 5th scale, Max5 is for 1/5 scale. But really whatever the buyer prefers.

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

That's not always the case.....the Mojave is a 1/7th-ish truck. I'd never run a Max6 in a 5th scale

@JustNateMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork I can respect that. Nothing wrong with different opinions.

I should of bought a hobby wing instead of the mamba x

@TheRCNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, If you've been watching the channel for a while, I haven't used CC for about 8 years...had SO many issues with them and their terrible with warranty.

I would never put thread locker on the motor plate .. you will be drilling those out as heating it wont work if you plan on using the motor in another rc car / truck.

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

False. I, more than most transfer motors from RC to RC, constantly. I always use a small amount of blue thread lock, a sharp MIP driver and have never had an issue. Ever.

17:07

@TheRCNetwork

3 жыл бұрын

Insert random time stamp here....???

@filippus_

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRCNetwork No its hw the connection to the battery looks, I dont want to get it wrong :D