The Fall Of The Third Reich: The Allied Forces' Final Push Against Hitler | Battlezone
Summer 1944, and Hitler’s army is retreating on all fronts. With 57,000 German POW’s in Moscow, the battle of Russia is over, but the battle of Germany is just about to begin. With 1000 plane air strikes over Germany and land forces closing in, it seems only a matter of time before Germany will fall. But it won’t be as easy as the Allies expect. This episode of Battlezone tells the story of The Battle for Germany and shows us what life was really like through rare archive footage.
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@user-ny9kc3vv6q
3 жыл бұрын
We also want a video about the destruction of the Israeli destroyer Eilat, with a detailed explanation of this major event
@vlatkojelenkov4806
3 жыл бұрын
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@mannyrafael2338
2 жыл бұрын
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@sietskevuurens7240
2 жыл бұрын
Ää
@chatterji_369
2 жыл бұрын
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I love these old war documentaries. Far better than the modern stuff.
My Grandfather fought in Northern Italy as a staff seargent and always told me the sound of the German 88s going over your head screaming was terrifying.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
And it was probably 75s most of the time.
@UAPReportingCenter
2 жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 idk. He said it was 88s and he was there but who knows.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Well, most allied soldiers called 75s "88s" and any German tank with a big gun a "Tiger", even though usually it wasn't true. 75mm guns were far more common than 88s, and were very deadly themselves. Cheers.
@harryparsons2750
8 ай бұрын
Stuka
Dad and mom went through this. Two Navy Crosses the first six months of the war for dad.Eleven brothers off to the war from moms side of the family and aside from wounds they all survived the war. No deaths, we were blessed, thank god!
@m9frank
2 жыл бұрын
Sure. Thanks, god, for the war!
@Flagrum3
2 жыл бұрын
@@m9frank Man brought about the war, not God. Give your head a shake.
@fload46d
Жыл бұрын
@@m9frank Wow what a moniker!!!!
@tompiper5395
Жыл бұрын
Now the country is being taken over by the blk & tans instead ~ so much for fighting fellow comrades who were trying to preserve the future of our white nation`s!!!
@salvatorerusso6617
Жыл бұрын
@@m9frank %%
It must of been so scary,one minute you're flying at 20 thousand feet the next ten seconds your plane is being ripped apart by 20 mm shells and you suddenly have to hurry to get out of your aircraft if you're lucky,I couldn't do it,they were the bravest warriors at that time...
@Mr_Bob_Loblaw
Жыл бұрын
I can’t even watch the bomber bits. I have to FFWD.
@garrisonnichols807
Жыл бұрын
Bravest warriors of all time. Nowadays most combat is done with computers and drones. If you need to take out an enemy position a guy with a computer will just send a drone to drop a bomb through the window of the enemies house from two miles away. Back in the 40s you needed soldiers to win a war.
@popeyedoyle3649
Жыл бұрын
@@garrisonnichols807 you still have to have ground control to light up the targets with lazers!
@johnadams5489
Жыл бұрын
Our Post Commander's Father flew 30 missions in a bomber over Europe during WW2. There is a picture of him in our American Legion Post.
The screaming eagles of the 101 airborne division. Jimmy Hendrix's outfit to the rescue of Bastogn. I'm 65 and remember watching these shows in the mid 1960s on tv. Much better action scenes than the modern documentaries. Nuts I tell you. NUTS.
@tommysimmons3258
2 жыл бұрын
Never seen anything like this on tv in the 60s, except the Vietnam war on the news.
@johnwright291
2 жыл бұрын
@@tommysimmons3258 that's when this show was produced. I learned about the holocaust in 1964 watching a black and white tv. The scenes from death camps gave me nightmares and I was never the same.
@tommysimmons3258
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnwright291 must of grew up on the west coast, like I said never seen anything like this on the east coast, except stories I heard from my grandparents and parents.
@michelekisly2535
2 жыл бұрын
Been watching these for months...
@NobleKorhedron
2 жыл бұрын
@John Wright: The CO of the 101st was actually called Jimmy Hendrix...?
These footages are priceless. Just what I have been looking for, the real footages of the time of the war. Fascinating to watch.
Please give thumbs up for the brave camera man! Amazing 😍😎! ALL war films like this should be shown at ALL AMERICAN schools!
that skorzeny interview was great
A LOT of special footage I’ve never seen before! Extremely good documentary with an intelligent commentary and outstanding film content. Thank you! RH Auckland, New Zealand 🇳🇿
Eisenhower not only understood military battle and tactical strategy, but he had a grasp of logistics and supplies that was as good as any too!
@johnkidd1226
2 жыл бұрын
He also had the American public pressure of keeping casualties to a minimum. Monty, not so much although he did favour colonial troops to spearhead attacks over his own. He and Mountbatten were not welcome in Canada after the war.
Great interviews with the actual people involved, excellent.
@wolfibau4202
2 жыл бұрын
Today you can only ask Steinmeier born in 1956 about the German history lol
@MrMatthiasSchneider
2 жыл бұрын
And in French, no less!
In my 60 plus years I have to say that this has some of the best footage ever shown. On a separate note I will say yes Herr Speer was very well versed in organizing things especially when it came to his own mind. Here's a fact about him. He died in London while living with his mistress not his wife.
@clarkewi
2 жыл бұрын
Like his boss, a con man.
@NobleKorhedron
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, IIRC @@clarkewi, they were in the process of divorcing...
@johnlammergeier2890
Жыл бұрын
yeah and all western leaders are perfect, just like JFK
@johnadams5489
Жыл бұрын
@@johnlammergeier2890 JFK couldn't keep his fly up, That's the only thing Bill Clinton had in common with JFK.
Wow 50 min went by really fast, this was sooo interesting thanks for uploading!!
@HardDie
3 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@nobodyknows3180
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great series. I had never heard of the show "The Big Battles" before I saw them on this channel.
As a lifelong deer hunter, there's been many, many times I've had a 'taste' of long days in Bitter Cold weather...a few miles of walking but mostly hours & hours of sitting still from pre-dawn until after dark. ---> With that said, I can only imagine the unbearable winter conditions these troops had to endure in the Battle of Bastogne...Especially Patton's 3rd Army, driving and marching NONSTOP for three Days only to go straight into combat upon arrival !!! The utmost respect for combat troops !
@robertweeks7554
3 жыл бұрын
Well that ain't nothing compared to what the Red Army had to endure!!!
@Alan-in-Bama
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertweeks7554 That is True. Nor was it quite as gruesome as the fighting in the Pacific Theater. I gave an example, but I was stating my respect for combat troops...period. I didn't limit that to the service or theater they fought in.
@janiceduke1205
3 жыл бұрын
My Dad served with General Patton as a combat engineer.
@johnnyjarrett8166
2 жыл бұрын
@@Alan-in-Bama funny part is those bitter cold days make for the best deer hunting (and the best days of my life)....and of course the savagery and brutality in the Pacific cannot be understated....ill take a jump into Normandy over any amphibious landing in the Pacific..
@johnkidd1226
2 жыл бұрын
Somebody did a poll years after the war and found a high percentage of survivors of Bastogne moved to Florida. The common theme was they never wanted to be cold again.
There are just not enough words to describe how dreadful war is
Great video. Loved the selected archival footage. A question, why were all of the Germans interviewed speaking French?
@gerryjamesedwards1227
3 жыл бұрын
The maps at the beginning were in French, too, I think the BBC bought a French production, and re-did the soundtrack, hence the BBC Radiophonic Workshop music.
@Ardjano234
Жыл бұрын
I thought because of occupying mainly French speaking territory and ww1, but is the French also a dub? Edit: no the French voice matches his lips very well and he has a slight accent.
Thank you very much. I liked the interview with Otto Skorzeny, my first time I see him in a very interesting documentary.
Excellent !
Real entertaining old school Documentary.
@Ash-ey9oy
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
Hilter:"Why do I hear boss music?"
Even Bradley was stopped at a checkpoint and asked to produce ID.
Amazing videos of the war...so sad to watch...one of my many Uncles did not come home, and the rest made it back...
THANK YOU FOR SHARING GREAT DETAIL VIDEO
Every Millennial, trophy hugging, Snowflake needs to watch this and say thank you.
A few errors and oversights. 1. Montgomerys idea of a single thrust was discarded after the failure of market garden. Monty also aggravated the supply situation by not clearing the approaches to Antwerp for several months. He had launched market garden instead. 2. A b17 had a 9 man crew not 11. the radio operator had been deleted. 35 missions was the requirement not 30. 3. Clervaux was held by the 28th division not bastogne. The stand of the 28th enabled the 101st to get to bastogne.
@charlesfiscus4235
3 жыл бұрын
The mission number of 8th AF was 25 too start with
@terrysmith9362
2 жыл бұрын
oh the usual Hollywood propaganda. Read Charles B McDonald and educate your self about MG
@Freedomfred939
2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesfiscus4235 agree. 35 was the requirement from august 44 to may45 as per my father. 30 May have been in interim between 25 and 35.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Eisenhower was never in favour of a single thrust unfortunately. Instead his broad front strategy dragged the war on for more months than was necessary. He always planned on a wide long front. Market Garden was irrelevant to this. Market Garden was limited in size and scope. Its goals were only a bridgehead across the Rhine and to cut off the Netherlands. The US 1st and 3rd Armies would still have needed to advance themselves and keep tandem pace with British 2nd Army. British 2nd Army and US 1st Army needed to advance on the Ruhr together. Few people realise that Patton was already trying, and failing, to take Metz during Market Garden, while the US 1st Army launched its attack into the Hurtgen Forest just 2 days after Market Garden began. Nobody put priority on Antwerp at the time (early September) not even Eisenhower. In fact, Eisenhower evrn told Montgomery that the Ruhr could be advanced upon before Antwerp was opened. Antwerp is a red herring. The Hurtgen Forest and Lorraine did not fail because of Antwerp. The US had plenty of supplies for both operations. Operation Queen failed even after Antwerp was open. The Americans got pushed back into a retreat in the Ardennes (and had to call on Montgomery) after Antwerp was opened. The twin pronged Aachen/Hurtgen Forest attack was well supplied and equipped and was three times the size (over 200,000 men) of Market Garden. It anything took up supplies it was this. The US 1st and 3rd Armies had priority of supplies in October, November and December 1944 but got nowhere. Patton suffered 55,000 casualties in his failed Lorraine campaign.
41:49 what a fascinating, humanizing story.
An excellent presentation. 👌👌👌👏👏👏👏
Patton's 3rd Army attacked with 3 divisions toward Bastonge. They did this in 48 hrs.
@samsungtap4183
3 жыл бұрын
So what the germans had bypassed bastonge
@youraveragescotsman7119
3 жыл бұрын
Also took him 3 days to move 20km to Bastonge, a majority of which was going through Allied territory.
@jimmyhaley727
3 жыл бұрын
@@youraveragescotsman7119 Well , he was the only one to get there in time...
Excellent
Germans marching in Moscow not quite how they thought. It's mind blowing 🎆! Böhmischer Unteroffizier ist kaput
I remember these shows. I loved their theme music. Too bad it's not played here.
great doco ,thanks
It still took the 3 mightiest armies in the world to beat those Germans, amazing warriors.
Skorzeny overlooked one vital detail. The hairstyles of his commandos. The typical European hairstyle of his commandos was a dead giveaway, short on the sides, and very long on the top. Just check pictures of German POWs
Good stuff
Damnit...I have this boxset.
Great music! Thanks for posting.
Air superiority won the Battle of the Bulge for the Allies.
@chaosXP3RT
3 жыл бұрын
Not true. The Battle of Bastogne stopped the Germans
@walteredwards544
3 жыл бұрын
Logistics lost the battle for the Germans
@theloneleystoner7046
3 жыл бұрын
@@chaosXP3RT i taught NUTS stopped the germans in there tracks 🤣
@AlexeiRamotar
3 жыл бұрын
Nope, even with continued cloud cover the Germans had already run out of fuel because the Germans couldn't take Bastogne. So their advance had already stalled, then the 3rd Army turned up.
@peterhamlinhamlin8908
3 жыл бұрын
Air power absolutely! Hamburg,Berlin, Cologne specifically. Thank you.
Patton slaps soldiers faces and gets away with it? You’re kidding, Patton was Americans best fighting general, Eisenhower would be stupid not to use him!
@samsungtap4183
3 жыл бұрын
Absolute rubbish neither Eisenhower or Bradley could stand him someone had his back in Washington...he should have been sacked after Biscari massacre in Sciclly. ...oh you never heard of that...no not in the movie...as for his ability, his campaign in Lorain was a disaster....3mths and thousands of casualties to take the small French city of Metz....he was just a bucket mouth...everday a press conference...oh yes ike really loved him
@jimmyhaley727
3 жыл бұрын
@@samsungtap4183 and the Limys had that wonderful Monnnnty
@bruceperkins7253
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Eisenhower was Undér tremendous public pressure to relieve Patton of command, and ship him home. But Eisenhower stood up for Patton by saying that he was the best Fighting General the allies had.and there was another Incident just prior to D-Day, Where Patton was at a Function of some kind and He said something about the invasion, but fortunately The British had a complete Control of the news reports So no one knew about it, out Side of the people Who were At the banquet.
@terrysmith9362
2 жыл бұрын
Yep and he was the mist successful General on the western allies side
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Haley, Yes Montgomery. The most successful Western Allied ground commander of WW2 by some way. He took more ground through more countries while facing more quality German opposition than any other Western Allied ground commander. Patton was never in the thick of ANY of the big battles of WW2 on the western front.
Madness...!!!
Yes these films are worth watching, They verify the stupidity of WAR.
Barnes Wallis did NOT invent the blockbster, a rather crude combination of three 4 000 lb high-yield, i.e. thin walled bombs (which did what they were intended to do -cause blasts demolishing urban houses. Wallis designed the Tallboy and Grand Slam bombs, "the earth quake bombs which, by penetrating deep before exploding, "ratteled" structures causing them to ultimately fail.
Now these are some fine and rare examples of Western education and I'm deeply grateful for the opportunity to see them, many thanks all at this channel *
@christopherharper9932
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree! Because they NEVER teach "Western" history in school! Finally, at 48 I can learn about the greatness of Europe and the States! Something I should have learned from 1st up! It's about time SOMEBODY educated us with a Western education!
@HustleAndBustle396
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherharper9932 What do you see as great here? People killing people?
Awesome color pics lv it
This was aired before the Thames production the world at war both great but I wished you kept the opening introduction it was powerful.
Incredibly awesome 8th Air Force Bomber Boys!
I'm AACHEN for some good Sauerkraut!!!! :)
Those prayers were answered on Christmas day!
Thumbs up
Adolph Shitler stunk things up
It is one thing to kill your enemy in combat, but it is entirely another to deliberately murder your prisoners in cold blood 🩸 as the German army did on numerous occasions in all theatres of the war, likewise the Japanese and to a lesser extent the Italians and undoubtedly the allied armies, obviously the allied armies, especially those from the “free forces” like France and Holland could be excused the occasional revenge killing for the atrocities that the Germans and allies committed during the occupation, but mass killings can never, in my opinion, be tolerated, condoned or most importantly ordered to be carried out, but by far the worst atrocities by an allied army was the Russians, we tend to associate war crimes etc with the Germans, and rightly so, but we tend to forget that Stalin was committing crimes against humanity and war crimes before WWII officially began in 1939 (yes 1939, not 1941), and that was directed at his own people. You might be wondering why I have gone off on this tirade about war and in particular the behaviour of the military towards prisoners, civilians and the crimes that were committed in the name of war, well, it is because as I write this we are, despite President Putin saying Russian forces are pulling back from the border with Ukraine 🇺🇦, looking down the barrel of a gun loaded with the looming spectre of another war on European soil, maybe not WWIII but certainly a bloody vicious clash with a country renowned for their fighting prowess and, unfortunately, their historical abuse of both P.O.Ws and civilians, I hope and pray that Russia (President Putin) and the USA (President Biden) can find a way to de-escalate the situation before we have to witness scenes like those in this documentary again, and I also hope that all other viewers will join in my hopes and prayer.
@777poco
2 жыл бұрын
hopes and prayer didn't work, Putin the butcher is now killing innocent people
@Ardjano234
Жыл бұрын
Oh my
@harryparsons2750
8 ай бұрын
How’d that work out for you
How anyone in Germany survived constant bombing is a mystery! Fighting in the air was unbelievable. I always counted the airmen who bailed out of the planes and wondered if they made it safely!
@mikefoehr235
3 жыл бұрын
Funny you say that. My mom's family lived in Berlin. I am amazed they made it out and alive and then to Canada.
Interesting that Speer and other Germans were speaking French. Presumably a French interview, but the French was good. Speer appears quite fluent.
1 in 6? is that for their tour or per bombing raid?
Hva med mc motorsykkel batalionene Di som kunn kjørte motorsykler?
I like this originall war filem
The 7th Armored and remnants of the 106th Division, which were defending St Vito, only had to retreat 6-7 miles after being overwhelmed by Gen Mantaufel’s army. On the ridge 6-7 miles away, they met the 82nd Airborne and other troops.
not historically accurate, but kind of fun to watch.
@tiny_teresa802
2 жыл бұрын
How so? Genuinely wondering.
@jeffreyacevedo1796
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too what's so inaccurate about it even the Germans were saying the same thing as the commentators you must be pretty young they must not teach this in school anymore
Great documentary. Pity about the incidental "music".
so many kids dying before their 30th mission.
OVER 35,000 SLAVE LABORERS DIED AT PIENAMUNDEE BUILDING V 2s IN THOSE CAVES ALONE
It was all very well having record production levels during 1944,but without the oil to power the extra tanks,aircraft and U-boats,what was the point?,not to mention the slave labourers who died to achieve such a rise in production,Speer had a lot to answer for,he certainly got off very lightly at Nurmberg.
@alisdairmclean8605
2 жыл бұрын
Yes his "success" in keeping production going prolonged the war and the suffering. He should have had an appointment with master sergeant John Wood on the scaffold.
Patton the Hero of Bastogne
Slaps his soldiers faces and gets away with it? The man was almost courtmarshalled and sit on the sidelines for almost a year. If he hadn't been the best field commander in the war, he would have never been given another command. Winning the war was a bit more important than some hurt feelings.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Patton was nowhere near to being the best commander of the war and was not in the thick of ANY of the big battles of the western front.
@shawnjohnson9763
2 жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 other than operation cobra, Arracourt, or the battle of the Bulge.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Shawn Johnson Patton wasn't involved in Operation Cobra. Operation Cobra took place late July and involved US 1st Army. Patton's 3rd Army did not become combat activated until August 1st, AFTER Operation Cobra had already achieved the breakthrough under Bradley and Hodges. Also, the Lorraine was not the thickest of the fighting of the western front in autumn 1944. The German forces there were largely second rate and poorly trained. Even their own commander Herman Balck said that. The Germans sent their best forces north to face British 2nd Army and US 1st Army, never the US 3rd Army. Market Garden, Aachen, Hurtgen Forest were the thickest of the fighting in September/October 1944. Not the Lorraine. At Arracourt the Germans fielded second rate poorly trained panzer 'brigades' and no Tiger tank units. In Market Garden the Germans fielded premier Waffen SS divisions and Tiger tank units. Patton's theatres of operations, first in Normandy and then in the Lorraine, were not where the heaviest fighting was happening. Even in the Ardennes, Bastogne was on the southern periphery. The US 1st Army was facing the bulk of German forces in the Bulge. Patton's 3rd Army wasn't.
Ardennes counterattack was inhibited by running out of fuel. The Germans had more fuel stored near the Rhine, but had insufficient transport to bring it forward. Throughout the war, most German supplies were moved as far as possible by train, then by horse drawn wagons.
I nearly spit my drink out when he referred to the Ruhr as "the happy valley'typical British wit.
The title is rather unfortunate....it gives the impression that Eisenhower delivered an infant!
My great grandfather fought for the freedom of albania against the italians and the germans.
Wow! my dad was with Patton on the mission to relieve Bastogne.. He never talked about it much …
@a-b-cweaponsnightmare6544
2 жыл бұрын
The trauma of war. I don't think he ever wanted to relive it in conversation. Can you blame him?
Great video but the accompanying music was terrible.
Im a always watching ww2 videos and this is one I have never seen .
Albert Speer was brilliant. There is no doubt about that.
@clarkewi
2 жыл бұрын
Notice how they all speak fluent English, French and German.
@D45VR
2 жыл бұрын
@@clarkewi He spoke perfect French in that interview.
@clarkewi
2 жыл бұрын
@@D45VR The brilliant man could speak German, English and French. Awesome
Workers were in those factories, savage times, very complicated, selfishness ruled decisions, fascinating cos let's be honest, just yesterday as far as history goes
The Germans REALLY should've saved these resources for the east.
Thank you! Ron PTL USA
Great content.
They didnt seriously clean the streets after the germans walked through 😂 no way lol
The 101st was at Mourelone
The Allied Air Forces were able to move from their bases in the U K to France. By doing this it shorten the the range the the USAAF fighter's needed to pull escort duty.
What’s with the video game type music in the beginning ? Sounds like the guy from the Doom video game wrote it.
Churchill's old obsession: yet at Yalta he signed away Eastern Europe to Stalin - lierally with a rough sketch on the back of an envelope - , then made a speech about an iron curtain.
Hva med sykkel batalionene de som bare måtte sykle?
10:20 when sparking about B-17 crews,,,” The 11 crew members are dry mouthed”. A B-17 crew was 10 man, not 11.
ufffff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The soldiers who were being marched would have thought they would rather have become martyrs and died fighting than to face this humiliation
WHEN DID THIS HAPPENED?? PLEASE LIST THE YEAR IN THE TITLE OF YOUR VIDEOS, THANK U
@alancasey2513
2 жыл бұрын
December, 1944 during Xmas...
@kathycaldwell7126
Жыл бұрын
Google is your friend when history books lay untouched.
⚠️‼️⚠️MORE BATTLEZONE EPISODES⚠️‼️⚠️
"3 Spitfires and 3 Thunderbolts bring down 300 German planes... " where can I find the documentary on what has to have been a most spectacular air victory???
@robertsmith2227
2 жыл бұрын
New years morning Jan 1st 1945. Germans figured everyone would be sleeping or still drunk. Operation Bodenplatte I think it was called.
This man should be every boys hero
@user-fq9ok7os3b
3 жыл бұрын
who
@nationalsocialist5526
2 жыл бұрын
Who ?
@duncanchizizi6543
Жыл бұрын
Very true man
21:43 Battle of the Bulge
I like this old footage but I kinda like the ones that show this with accurate historians involved too. Not just possible propaganda of the forties...good stuff but not what I'm more interested in a history flic. I think the tank battles and battle of the factories have far more entertainment value and history than just showing old reels in 45 to an hour...
Hit home bad bad
Lest we forget or at least we forgot
@kathycaldwell7126
Жыл бұрын
Lest
Hvem betalte for alt det?
Patton had no pen15
I never knew they Massacred them 80 soldiers in Malmedy
@Senaleb
2 жыл бұрын
they did worse to the french citizens, check out the Massare of Oradour-Sur-Glane I watched a documentary of it and made me cry.
@bruceperkins7253
2 жыл бұрын
That was skorzeny and his SS I'll, the WEHRMACHT from the top on down despised
@georgejob2156
2 жыл бұрын
@@Senaleb That village is still as it was,a memorial to evil and savagery.. They did the same after Heydrich's death, check out Lidice.. Monsters.
A German tank did not Kill 86 men near Malmedy!!!
46 Waffen SS members were hanged for the Malmedy Massacre, the rest sent to prison. I hope the families and buddies of the victims took some comfort in that. Around 07:15 the narrator says of Patton that he was called the man that "got away with... slapping his men..."- Ike made sure Patton was stripped of command and humiliated publicly. If he was being sarcastic, he should at least hint at that. 3rd time the Germans came through the Ardennes since WWI, and it STILL took everyone by surprise? They knew they could get through, but thought no heavy artillery or tanks could. Tanks were the very thing they used to clear a LOT of trees, so that logic was wrong. I guess it was fun to run over trees, and even Russians would mow a tree down when they could have gone around it. Boys and their toys... :)
Third:South Africa;)..habari