I read somewhere that it is possible that in the past, the Bloodmoon Ursaluna may have followed the Basculin for a reliable source of food, similar to how bears catch salmon and other fish during their migration. Add to it the fact that it is capable of attacking Ghost types which the Basculin happen to evolve into.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

That does make a lot of sense! Feel like that was in my head when I was brainstorming this vid at work, but didn’t make it into the script 🤔 Either way, they’re definitely connected, both being in the Timeless Woods. Kind of makes the Bloodmoon Ursaluna even cooler!

@zinzolin14

9 ай бұрын

This is mind blowing! I forgot how bears often prey on salmon during their migration.

@Broomer52

9 ай бұрын

This is a REALLY good theory and is now my headcanon. As for why Zoroark and Zorua were in Hisui I remember in Black and White theirs a post game area, a cave tunnel, that in game is stated to connect to Sinnoh so my theory is that many Zoroark and Zorua entered Hisui from Unova’s cave network and the scared locals chased them to to the frigid mountains where many died

@brolyfan3339

9 ай бұрын

​@@Broomer52damn i forgot about that cave thats a damn good theory

@lionescrawl9861

5 ай бұрын

and Axantor are found in the Blueberry arena

Everyone : Oh, I thought you were dead. Hisuian Forms : Our death was... greatly exaggerated.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Basculegion ALWAYS returns.

@gavinbunting7354

9 ай бұрын

At least a few are still around, however, Sneasler, my personal favorite, is still non existent

@nullanix

9 ай бұрын

​@@GatorEXI always come back

@Yeefy808

9 ай бұрын

@@nullanixthe purple basculegion behind the slaughter

@frostbitedragon9

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Yeefy808what's funny is shiny male basculegeon is purple and shiny female is yellow. Purple guy and springtrap colours

My personal theory is that part of the reason Arceus sent the player back in time and told them to “seek out all Pokémon” was because it would somehow help the Hisuian forms survive into modern day, maybe by promoting their preservation by helping the survey research and Pokédex development.

@lunolionreacts2362

9 ай бұрын

This is my new headcanon

@dylanrobicheau-rl8pf

9 ай бұрын

That sounds cool

@MikeTheEnforcer

9 ай бұрын

You could also add the fact the Diamond and Pearl clan may have kept notes and rare minerals to evolve pokemon to their old Hisuian forms. Considering Perrin is Adaman's descendant.

@leolionheart5dk574

9 ай бұрын

​@MikeTheEnforcer It's possible that the descendants of the 2 clans and the galaxy survey team have a secret plot of land or an island that they could have hid the hisuian forms on, like a animal reserve. As Perrin stated she is from Sinnoh. More than likely the Pokémon league of Sinnoh is very protective of these Pokémon like the clans of old Hisui and probably has the descendants of the clans aid in the protection process. As to explain why Perrin has 2 Hisuian Growlithe. Or Hisuian Growlithe is just the natural form of Growlithe.

@serinathuller2943

9 ай бұрын

I'm happy I'm not the only one who saw thought this cuase I know some poketubers who are like why dose perrin have a hisiuan Growlith and I'm just like guys Arceus sent us to save the Pokemon of this timeline to preserve and make them real and meta wose playable for the future games but like guys we have fossile animation machines and can clone to but we cant do that are help a species thrive if everyone kills them are dont pass on the evolutionary methods.

I always thought these forms where just either domesticated like our real-life domestic animals/pets in some way or adapted to their changing habitat. Hisuian Growlithe could just be a rare "wild" one in modern time.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

That is sort what I was thinking for Growlithe, because a lot of info about the Hisuian form said it had trouble adapting to humans. For sure, they’ve moved on from modern day Sinnoh unless we get another game set there in modern times where they can be caught.

@madnessarcade7447

9 ай бұрын

It’s not wild tho it’s perrin’s

@GlitchedRed

9 ай бұрын

​@@madnessarcade7447It's a wild species. Kinda like how people can own wolves as pets, but they're still considered to not be domesticated animals

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

What if i told you that Hisuian Growlithe didn't even originate in Hisui/Sinnoh, but rather in Kitakami. You see, Hisuian Growlithe is basically just the domesticated version of regular Growlithe, just as dogs are considered to be the domesticated version of wolves in real life, and Growlithe were domesticated in Kitakami, and over the years and decades, the domesticated Growlithe became the recognizable Hisuian Growlithe that we all know and love, however, an apocalypse happened sometime between the events of Scarlet & Violet and those of Legends Arceus, and as a result, the Hisuian Growlithe went feral and had traveled to other regions, and in one region in particular, namely Sinnoh, which had been renamed into Hisui by now, the feralized Hisuian Growlithe, upon arriving in the region, had established themselves an important population, compared to other regions, including even its original home region, Kitakami, so important, in fact, that it's from here, and not there, in its original homeland of Kitakami, that we got the regional variant of Growlithe, which explains why Hisuian Growlithe is called *Hisuian* Growlithe and not *Kitakamian* Growlithe, despite having its origins in Kitakami.

@LewisRJHope

9 ай бұрын

Yeah that sounds completely unlikely@@candyneige6609

Something to mention is that during your first interaction with her, Perrin mentions how Growlithe has been passed down through generations of her family

I think the other Hisuian pokemon can return in the Indigo Disk DLC via Blueberry Academy trying to replicate the same conditions in their artificial wild area.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, 100%. The Terrarium is gonna mean literally ANY Pokémon could be there. Kind of exciting.

@Roscoso

9 ай бұрын

The only ones they can't are the ones that need Strong Style/Agile Style Used moves to evolve (Wyrdeer and Overquil)

@ChocoboKid216

9 ай бұрын

@@Roscoso Gamefreak can always change the method just to a specific move a la primeape evolution

@FrauZehel

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Roscosothey have changed evo conditions for mechanics that didnt carry over from their game of origin. Like Milotic for example.

@dracotias

9 ай бұрын

you can't get psyshield bash onto a stantler within s/v but if you transfer one that knows it I THINK you just have to use it 20 times like with rage fist on primape. the one's you currently cannot do 100% are Ursaluna and Klevor as their items don't exist. also the one's that don't have a regional pre-form but that's been an issue since Pancake Raichu...@@Roscoso

To be fair it’s found only in a place said to be ‘timeless’ alongside Ursaluna… I don’t know what that means exactly but clearly there’s something up with that place. As for Perrin’s Growlithes, I’d have to imagine that they’re some of the few remaining purebred descendants of the original line whilst more modern Growlithe are from human crossbreeding with less rocky Pokemon, like we did with real dogs. Heck, maybe they’re descendants from the original Noble! They’ve got to have some good genes!

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, when I saw it was called the “Timeless Woods,” I was a little suspicious, but then seeing it’s where we have the quest with Perrin, it’s a real neat little Dialga reference. 😎

@raymiemiller1455

9 ай бұрын

@@GatorEX "Timeless Woods" is just another way to say "Eterna Forest".

@DeZeCrATioN

9 ай бұрын

​@@svlsrv0010well, there are different dog breed pokemon. Yorkie(Lillipup line) or Corgi (Yamper)

@Sam-TheFullBull

9 ай бұрын

@@svlsrv0010They did for Magikarp in Magikarp Jump

@kaiju9671

9 ай бұрын

@@svlsrv0010 furfrou

Perrin does say that Ursaluna still exist in her home region just not as common as they once were in the time of Hisui. So it would make sense if the others were like that. Plus they never officially said they went extinct, it was just a fan head cannon that people took as actual canon. Plus many of the regional forms of Hisui came after the form we already knew which was confirmed on the official websites and by professor Laventon in game. So it makes sense they are just not as common in modern day and that’s all too it. In lore it does seem weird you can’t evolve them in SV but it does make sense if you look at it that Legends Arceus only came not even a full year from Scarlet and Violet so it makes sense they want to keep them exclusive for that game . In gen 10 they will probably fully integrate them and put all the Pokémon in the evolution line together like they should.

@bradwhite5884

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I believe they all aren't extinct but live somewhere deep and secluded areas of regions and such, like little pockets where civilisations haven't ventured or migrated to uncharted or unexplored lands, islands, areas and such, just not live close like other Pokémon do, just like animals in real life, some were considered elusive or extinct but still have signs of survivability, so yeah

@AlexMartinez-gv7hy

9 ай бұрын

I always though that those who evo further were just locked because we don't have access to the item in modern time or have developed a stronger form in which case the previous form is not worth it.

@dracotias

9 ай бұрын

the item evolutions are easier to explain away as the required items simply being rarer to find in the modern day and so you're probably never going to see a wild "new" Ursaluna because the Peat it needs isn't going to just pop up. Blood Moon is assumed to be VEEERRRRY old.

@octokraken6359

9 ай бұрын

@@dracotias Exactly, also Perrin does confirm that Bloodmoon Ursaluna does in fact come from Hisui so it’s probably one that the protagonist came into contact with in Legends Arceus.

My idea for why Perrin has a Hisuian Growlithe is that her family (the descendants of Adaman of course) have had Hisuian Growlithes and Arcanines for generations and have just privately bred them. We've seen that regional forms can continue to exist even when bred with other regional forms so they could just keep their variant around in the family.

@erianpeterson3431

9 ай бұрын

You can say the same thing about hisuian sneasel

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

Isn't Perrin the *ancestor* of Adaman and not the *descendant* of him ?

@scrunkore

9 ай бұрын

​@@candyneige6609no, descendant comes after

@LewisRJHope

9 ай бұрын

What? No, how would that even be possible?@@candyneige6609

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

@@scrunkore But Legends Arceus takes place *after* Scarlet & Violet, more specifically, Scarlet & Violet takes place in the present day that is the early 21st century and Legends Arceus takes place in the post-apocalyptic future.

Since they aren't extinct we don't have to pay our last respects bu dum ching

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Well, we still might have to for all the fallen Basculin 🙏 🐟

We see in Indigo Disk that Blueberry Academy has terrariums that house wild Pokémon, including possibly wild starters. My theory is that they are preserving rare and endangered Pokémon in an effort to reintroduce them to their native habitats and they either managed to obtain the remaining Hisuian Pokémon or clone them back into existence.

@kuroiphox989

9 ай бұрын

That or they could be simulating the environmental conditions of Hisui in some of the terrariums.

Breeding in pokemon has evolved over time, so hisuian growlithe may be endangered in modern times but these developments have allowed the numbers to slowly climb up and they're all monitored in places like the nature preserve in BW2.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Ooh, that’s a good connection

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

The Hisuian Growlithe population have always been low, until the apocalypse happened, which occurred sometime between the events of Scarlet & Violet and those of Legends Arceus, and suddenly, a least in Sinnoh, which had been renamed into Hisui by now, had seen a miraculous rise to levels never before seen in the entire history of Hisuian Growlithe, and by the time the events of Legends Arceus took place, Hisuian Growlithe have an important population, and it's all thanks to the apocalypse.

@bradwhite5884

9 ай бұрын

​@@candyneige6609What are you talking about? Legends Arceus takes place before all generations ever happened and his heavily applied by with with other things and such, where are you getting this from?

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

@@bradwhite5884 That was for Mystery Dungeon, because Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future, and i know this because of a few small but very important plot details : When you black out, you don't lose any money, implying that all your money is stored in your credit/debit card, because if it was instead stored in hard cash like it was in any other Pokémon game, you would've lose some of your money when you black out, however, credit/debit cards were only invented in 1950, and that was just the beginning. In the photography studio, you can take pictures of your Pokémon as well as yourself, however, the pictures taken at the photography studio are not only in color, but also in HD, and color HD cameras were only invented in 1979. You can return lost satchels back to their original owners from anywhere at any time, however, this privilege wouldn't have been possible without the help of modern-day technology, as commercial drones, which are required for transporting the satchels, weren't invented until 2006, and even then, it requires GPS tracking, which wasn't invented until 1978, to have the drones even know where to go in the first place, and even then, it requires the internet, which wasn't invented until 1991, to have the drones even know that you have a lost satchel to return in the first place through the use of either a website or an app, and even then, it requires said website or app to be accessible from your Arcphone, which is basically a smartphone, which itself wasn't invented until 2007, and without any of these inventions, you would've only been able to return lost satchels at a specific point in Jubilife Village. For comparison, the Poké Ball was invented in 1925. All in all, with all this unexpected story details, we can safely say that Legends Arceus does indeed take place in the post-apocalyptic future and not the distant past like it was for Mystery Dungeon.

@skiafraylalnasache

9 ай бұрын

@@bradwhite5884 He firmly believes that Legends arceus takes place in an apocalyptic future. dunno why.

I was playing the Teal Mask and accidentally clicked a raid den. I thought about leaving since it was a 3-star Basculin, but upon closer inspection I noticed something off about the silhouette. I decided to go in and saw the white-stripe's form. I caught it and just sat there, thinking one thing. "This thing is from ancient Hisui. How is this thing not in the ground?"

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Lmao 😂

@jo-ri-oh8950

9 ай бұрын

The exact same thing happened to me but it was a Basculegion

@_Idgaf_Ok_

9 ай бұрын

I actually found a ground Tera Basculin in Hisui like 30 minutes into playing 😅

I like how Basculegion has different dex entries, depending on their genders. I'm looking forward seeing Basculegion getting proper debut in anime.

It’s worth mentioning, but on the Pokémon website they explicitly mention that Hisuian Braviary often fly even further North the Hisui. So it’s likely still alive somewhere out in the Pokémon world equivalent of Russia or Alaska.

My personal theory for Hisuian Growlithe is that Perrin's family probably runs a preserve of sorts for that version of Growlithe. Adaman was always obsessed with traditions and keeping the past in mind as they move forward, so it would make sense for him or his descendants to realize how Kantonian Growlithe was probably overtaking the new population (or Hisuian Growlithe were becoming fewer in the wild) and set up an area inaccessible to the general public where this species of Growlithe and Arcanine could survive and not become extinct. As for white striped Basculin, The most likely theory is that there are just fewer of them in the wild and the pods that are still around are spread out. They tend to work together and are gentle while the Basculin we know from Unova are a lot more aggressive and territorial, so it stands to reason that they could have been pushed out from where they used to migrate to be it blue/red striped Basculin moving into the territories where they would migrate or somewhere where they would pass through, thus stopping them from reaching their destination. They also end up in an area called "timeless woods" and are only found in a small pond blocked by a waterfall, a possible safe space where it's so cut off from humans that they're able to rest and thrive there.

I might have a strange theory: We might be able to get Wyrdeer in the Indigo Disk. TM to craft that requiers Pokemon we did not meet yet in the game.

There was this commercial for legenda arceus where someone found an ancient pokeball and when they used it the pokemon came out, this kinda shows that pokemon can survive indefinitely inside them. Most likely these forms have gone extinct in the wild but can still be found owned by trainers, and maybe the white striped basculin simply got reintroduce into the wild

Personally I like to think that they’re are certain areas in the world of Pokémon that have previous prehistoric Pokémon still thriving. It happens multiple in the anime. Like in the Lucario movie and one of the new episodes in Journeys, they showed off fossils Pokémon in the wild which means they’ve been hidden for a long time. Maybe some of the Hisuian Pokémon are still out there but living in secrecy.

@OriginalGameteer

9 ай бұрын

While it was (presumably) due to very unique circumstances, in New Snap one of the areas had fossil pokemon naturally living alongside present era species with no issues So I do definitely think it's possible some Hisuian forms did survive to the present day, just in very small specific environments

@troncho1385

9 ай бұрын

Considering that many fossil Pokemon can be found roaming the crown tundra it is not that far fetched

Basculegion: WE ARE SO BACK, FISH GANG

It’s safe to explain that clearly while the rest of the growlithe died out Perrin’s ancestry had some preservation methods to at least keep a few alive in domestication but they are indeed gone In the wild

@swipeslogjack_tgaming9472

9 ай бұрын

Is it the everstone?

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

No, it's the fact that Hisuian Growlithe was the result of the domestication of regular Growlithe in Kitakami, it's just that, after the apocalypse which happened sometime between the events of Scarlet & Violet and those of Legends Arceus, the Hisuian Growlithe went feral and traveled to other regions, and in one region in particular, namely Sinnoh, which had been renamed into Hisui, the Hisuian Growlithe were successful in the region and had set up an important population there.

@TornaitSuperBird

9 ай бұрын

@@candyneige6609Source?

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

@@TornaitSuperBird From Legends Arceus itself.

@creature6715

9 ай бұрын

​@@candyneige6609"during the apocalypse" you mean the one that didn't happen?

I used a Basculegion in Legends Arceus too and man did it help me a lot, Water is already my favourite type and I was inclined on using Hisuian Pokémon for my first run. Hope we get topic videos for other Hisuian Pokémon later too.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

GHOST GYARADOS STAYS WINNING

I'd like to think of it as Rei/Akari being transported back to the present after the events of Legends: Arceus bringing the Pokemon they caught with them, allowing for new instances of the Pokemon to be seen in modern times

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

BREAKING NEWS : Lucas/Dawn from Twinleaf Town, after having disappeared for months, has finally returned and has brought previously unknown Pokémon with him/her, geologists, paleontologists and biologists are initially baffled about this discovery, but later found out that the origin of the newly discovered Pokémon was none other than the future, even Professor Turo from Paldea, who is studying Pokémon from the future, was initially baffled by the discovery, it was then found out that Lucas/Dawn had been in the future all along, and that future, as Lucas/Dawn described it himself/herself, was not a good one, specifically, it was post-apocalyptic, everyone was then horrified by the fact that something very bad will happen sometime in the future and cause an apocalypse to happen.

@jacksonvoet8312

5 ай бұрын

@@candyneige6609 Dude, stop. If you’re advertising your channel, don’t bother, people won’t believe your strange lies.

Its like real life animals just very endangered

I respect the straightforward nature of the video title

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

I was late for an appointment and forgot to write a real one before scheduling 💀

@TaleOfTheToaster

9 ай бұрын

@@GatorEX change it BACK

I always thought they were extinct in shinno but alive in other regions Like how snow vulpix was in hisui And yes i said snow vulpix because i think saying "alolan' restricts them to alola

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Definitely seems like that’s the case. Especially with how when Hisuian Braviary was first revealed, it was said to be migratory, so it could’ve just been that it stopped coming to Hisui. 🤷‍♂️

@tysonvienneau1830

9 ай бұрын

This is why I called Alolan Sandslash "Snowslash" when it was revealed. It just felt natural

@creature6715

9 ай бұрын

Those pokemon were imported from alola tho

@reesh2257

9 ай бұрын

​@@creature6715oh i didn't know that but still vulpix could encounter icy areas in other places and evolve similarly

My personal headcanon is that Hisuian forms exist in modern day Sinnoh as rare pokémon since Volo’s actions in Legends caused space time distortions to occasionally appear and have them pop up

I'm so glad they reappear in Kitakami. One thing I always felt a little sad about in Legends Arceus is a common thing felt with things from the past: All those things are gone now, and it would never be the same. I felt that hard with all my Pokémon, like they wouldn't live on into the future as a species or something. So seeing them in Timeless Woods honestly made me happy. Was like my Basculegion I have would live on, and not be a forgotten footnote in history. If any of this makes sense anyways.

@tallmyster1323

9 ай бұрын

Yes I know, Pokémon HOME is a thing. Don't try to get smart with me here, you know what I meant.

So I would assume, the Kitakami region would be located around, somewhere south of Sinnoh/Hisui and north of Kanto

@NeroLordofChaos

9 ай бұрын

Perhaps in the same area as the Sinjho ruins even.

1:00 Try breeding Hisuian Growlithe while they’re holding an Everstone. If it’s the regional variant it’s offspring will STAY the regional variant!

If anything, its probably just a retcon that Hisuian pokemon survived to present day and can be found in environments that just so happen to match those we saw in Legends Arceus Why didnt we see them prior? The developers hadn't thought them up yet.

It never stated all the Hisuian Pokémon and forms have gone extinct, but live somewhere that we cannot go in some secluded area or such, thats what i think tbh

Stantler's Pokédex entries make me think that some Hisuian Pokémon have survived simply because the conditions for them to exist in their ancient forms still exist in some places.

I pretty sure Stantler's evo method is still coded into the game, it just cant learn Psy-shield bash anymore. and you cant transfer one from PLA that knows Psy-shield bash because move sets get reset when transferring Pokemon to SV

I can't believe they didn't make all the hisuian Pokemon available in the timeless woods, with peat blocks to pick up and other hisuian forms present in small numbers throughout the forest, with Pokemon that have hisuian evolutions available in larger quantities.

when it comes to Wyrdeer I think it will have a new form eventually that can only be gotten with an item. the violet dex even mentions that it used to be able to evolve "under its own power" leading my to think that it still can, it just needs help now. And then it would be interesting if that form is not entirely the same as the wyrdeer we know

There’s fossil mons in the crown tundra so there’s probably corners of the Pokémon world where long thought extinct species still hang out just like the real world

If anything I’d say the space time distortions work both ways. If I remember correctly, the Pokémon present when the distortion starts vanish. It’d make sense they switched places with the Pokémon of the future.

I still wanna see evolutions for the 5th gen Basculins. Make them hyper aggressive Water/Dark or Water/Fighting maybe. Or even Water/Fire to go for a firey spirit idea.

@redjirachi1

9 ай бұрын

They should do a Bisharp where they introduce an item some Basculin have and by beating x number of them you get the new evolution. I find the idea of a "gauntlet" evolution intriguing as it can be a way to give the evolution more characterization

The thing with White Stripe Basculin is that it follows none of the usual rules for regional variants and is exactly the same in every way except colour and that it can evolve so we could view white stripe as just being the "pure breed" and rather than go extinct it's just incredibly rare to find the right conditions in the wild now. Kitakami is VERY rural especially in terms of areas in a pokemon game with the only human hub having very little in the way of technology or industry so if anywhere that we've actually seen still has similar conditions to old Hisui, it's this sleepy mountain town.

i could see hisuian growlith still existing in the modern day as just an extremely rare breed from those owned by wealthy lords back in hisui days

Honestly, one way I can see Hisuian forms still being a thing isn't just preservation of the Pokemon themselves, but also of Hisuian Pokemon-raising techniques, so that knowledge doesn't become lost to the ages.

I actually used a Basculegion for a while in Legends Arceus. I nicknamed him Riptide

I like to think that white stripe basculin were around during black and white but they are very rare that we can't even find them

What if Timeless Woods is a place who somehow , made Hisuian pokémon survive , since is TIMELESS?

@candyneige6609

9 ай бұрын

Or maybe it was actually the origin place of Hisuian Pokémon, since Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future.

My guess is Kitakami could be actually somewhere in northern Japan given that 1) the area name is Japanese 2) the whole region is adorned with old Japanese architectures 3) Hisuian Pokémon exists 4) the fact that Sinnoh and Hisui is accessible in Switch. It is possible that some Hisuian Pokemon got preserved unbeknownst to the rest of us in a throwback rural region like Kitakami

@Exlayer-pk8hy

9 ай бұрын

Its directly based on the one section of Japan that was never made into a full Pokemon region, the part in between the Irl versions of Kanto/Johto and Sinnoh. So yeah it's a north part of Japan. Possibly pretty close to the Sinjoh ruins now that im thinking about it.

This is a similar, but unrelated theory. Since Ursaring aren't native to Galar, but England is almost nothing, but Peat filled locations, there are peat blocks in Galar, but nobody notices.

I kinda wonder if with time the Blue and Red one can have similar evolutions to a Gyrados or have somewhat of a more interesting evolution of them becoming tritons/mermaids. I love the idea of them having that something that the dead variant cannot get because it will always stay as a dead fish.

To me, Hisuian Growlithe is a small retcon to the Sinnoh's dex. In Platinum, Growlithe showed up as a wild Pokemon, but those are old games by now, and many new Pokemon showed up with the years. It is possible that modern Sinnoh have some new Pokemon that didn't show up in Platinum, and maybe they retconed regular Growlithe to now be Hisuian (or better, Sinnonian) Growlithe.

I actually had a theory for why W-Stripe Basculin appear in Kitakami. Basically, being rather mellow, other red and blue striped Basculin out competed their mellower brothers and sisters, forcing them to find less competitive waters. Basculiegon evolved as a way to carry on those that were lost, either through starvation or predation as a way to protect what was left of the school. And these fish mons found their way to Hisui and Kitakami.

The main justification for pokemon first discovered in Hisui being extinct was Cynthia out right saying that all of those pokemon had gone extinct long ago, in the Arceus Chronicles special. I reckon Hisuian Growlithe was probably preserved by Adaman and his descendents. As for Ursaluna and White Stripe Basculegion, which is recognised as a Hisuian form when filtering by Hisuian form in pokemon Home, have a bit of a different thing happening. I doubt a single Ursaluna would be able to survive as long as it did, but both White Stripe Basculin and Ursaluna can be found in the Timeless Woods. My guess is that through some strange magic, time quite literally doesn't progress in the Timeless Woods and nothing changes, allowing these pokemon to survive there, even long after they should have gone exticnt.

@Friendstoyourend

9 ай бұрын

I guess where Tracey 2.0 is from (I forgot how to spell her name) there are a lot of Ursaluna so ig that's not true

@jeanduresau

9 ай бұрын

The anime isn't canon to the main games, so whatever said in the anime should be ignored

Now thinking about it. We should’ve known a Unova game was cooking since Legends Arceus

Basculegion is my favorite regional form so seeing new lore from it, I absolutely love this so much, and I hope you have a great day.

Kitakami would’ve been a perfect place to introduce Hisuian evolution items. It’s clear Kitakami has Japanese inspo, same as Sinnoh. You could’ve argued that a group from Hisui came to Kitakami to create a colony and they brought some of the evolutionary items.

My prediction is that Blueberry Academy is able to replicate Hisui's older conditions in its terrarium. My bet is Hisuian Growlith can be found "naturally" there, since we do see other regional variants there.

I mean in real life we have animals we thought went extinct only to be proven wrong later. The celocanth is a prime example. It is my personal belief that most of the Hisui Pokémon are not extinct they just became more rare. Others, the environmental factors that triggered their specific evolution are no more so they devolved into lesser forms.

With how the pokemon world freely has time travel and can resurrect pokemon or they just flat out become ghosts for a time, nothing is staying extinct for long.

Maybe Perrin's Growlithes came through a Space-Time Distortion? We know they can bring things to the future, since they're how you catch Cranidos and Shieldon in Legends.

I never saw it as them having gone extinct, really. There’s a few regular Pokémon in Hisui that don’t appear in modern day Sinnoh, they likely migrated or just... exist elsewhere already. Especially the ones that evolve from regular Pokémon, I mean there is no possible way that EVERY source of Black Augurite is gone, and I’m sure you could make artificial Peat Blocks with some experimenting. I think the only one that’s really ‘confirmed’ to have gone extinct is Wyrdeer, since Stantler can’t learn Psyshield Bash, and even then I’m sure there’s some exclusive tutor that could figure out how to teach it to them or someone that manages to make a TM of the move someday

I'm so glad my theory that there's still isolated populations of hisuian pokemon is correct. It happens all the time in the real world, we figure an animal is extinct because it's not seen for decades, only for someone to find a wild population.

How some of them ends up in our time? That's easy! Space time rifts. Although we only see the rifts take pokémon to Hisui, it's a high likelihood that they are brought back to their time afterwards, unless they are caught. I suspected though that some of them ended up stuck in Hisui instead of returning to their time, witch wouldn't be shown in game because of how the rift mechanic works. So, since some Pokémon most likely ended up stuck on the Hisui'en side of the rift, it's safe to say that some of the mon's from the Hisui side ended up on the other side of the rift. This could also apply to resources, as we do get certain items that aren't available otherwise (as far as I know) through the rifts. All of this to say that the space time rifts probably functions like a door.

Basculegion is basically the phrase "Teamwork makes the Dreamwork." And I love dat.

You can actually make Sneasler in Scarlet/Violet, the Sneasel holding the Razor Claw just has to be Hisuian, and has to be leveled up during the day. (Also, you could give Supreme Overlord to Basculegion as a Hidden Ability and it would make sense)

I had hoped we get some kind of fossil mechanic for these pokes. Fossil are my favourite part of pokemon I'm so sad that we don't have more.

@wikiuser92

9 ай бұрын

They're not old enough to become fossils.

@StaresStaringly

9 ай бұрын

@@wikiuser92 I know that's why I said some kind of fossil mechanic and not specifically the fossil mechanic.

i could look at all the hisuian pokemon shown in the dlc to still be around as reasonable pokemon to have survived by artificial means or just having a large natural biome to thrive in, like people could still breed hisuian growlithes similar to how we breed dogs, so they're probably just deemed one of the super expensive and ancient breeds of growlithe, meanwhile basculegion/white stripe basculin is just able to probably migrate wherever it wants since its not technically a hisuian form its just a form of basculin first found in hisui, it could just probably be anywhere, just rarer in other places. and while it wasnt in the dlc hisuian electrode and voltorb could also probably still be around since its just implied with the creation of pokeballs it was just more advantagous for them to start using those for camouflage instead, and they're just able to be founnd in the wild in pokemon go, so thats pretty close. as for the rest of them who knows since bloodmoon ursaluna is seemingly a one off, but maybe its just a people forgot the required methods to evolve these pokemon

There’s a big possibility that the other hisuian mons may have survived as well

I could see hisui bravairy just existing elsewhere he just doesnt fly over sinnoh anymore

I mean We've never had a Rufflet in Sinnoh so my theory is that if you brought a Rufflet to Sinnoh it'd still become Hisuian Braviary

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

That’s true. 🤔

I’m from Manitoba and the Indigenous people say before colonization the rivers here used to be home of huge pike and other large species of fish. I found the introduction of Basculegion really interesting because it likely went extinct in its native region too.

In Legends Arceus they say that they evolved to adapt to the environment but Hisui changed so much by the time it became sinnoh that it was no longer necessary in Kitakami because the environment was similar to Hisui the continued existing

My view point is their isolated area where these pokemon continue to exist to modern day like how their isolated area where fossil pokemon never went extinct and still lived

After Teal Mask, the most educated guess I can make for extinct Hisuian Pokémon would be Typhlosion, Quilfish, Overquil, and Braviary. The Quilfish line because we haven't seen Hisuian Quilfish outside of PLA yet and the evolution method being lost to time, and the other two because Mt. Coronet seems to have lost whatever spiritual power that allowed them to evolve. All of the others are likely living in other unseen lands, endangered, highly endangered, or extinct by proxy due to lost evolution methods or their base form simply not existing in Sinnoh anymore and can't evolve into their Hisuian form as a result. I imagine many of the Pokémon that evolved into Hisuian forms because of Hisui's environment may still be able to evolve if taken to Mt. Coronet. EDIT: I forgot Voltorb. That one probably just adapted and became modern Voltorb at some point.

We know that Kitakami is divided from Sinnoh / "new Hisui" by an ocean, but these two locations cant be too far away from each other, Bloodmoon is described in the dex as an Ursaluna that crossed the ocean, its a single encounter and no Teddiursas or Ursarings in Kitakami, so Ursaluna overall is still extinct with the exeption of this single specimen, which also had to adapt to its new environment to survive and doesnt share the same characteristics as a "Hisuian" Ursaluna. Kitakami is probably set on a smaller island, the town folks arent familiar with bigger cities and Blueberry Academy is set somewhere in the ocean, so not connected to Kitakami by landmass, and an isolated ecosystem creates more beneficial conditions for certain species to survive who already go extinct in other places. Being close to Hisui and connected by water, white striped Basculins could easily have arrived there and survived due to that isolation. No red or blue Basculins to be seen in Kitakami, so they are not outcompeted by their more aggressive varients here. We dont know how old exactly those Hisuian Growlith statues are. May easily have been created around the time Legends: Arceus plays. No wild Hisuian Growlith in Kitakami either. The only two we know about are domesticated, so those forms were kept alive by targeted breeding, for all we know wild forms of Hisuian Growlith are still extinct.

1:47 Both versions of Pokémon HOME have a filter for certain types of forms, and selecting "Hisuian Form" includes White-Striped Basculin on both. I originally took this as confirmation that it counted just like the others. And Pokémon HOME *still* does this despite them appearing in the Kitakami Pokédex. I'm getting mixed signals here. HOME and Laventon call it one (apparently the TCG too) but it doesn't follow the other rules of regional forms... (Me bolding the word "still" was a conplete accident. I did not know that's how you did that.)

This video makes me wanna play Legends Arceus again.

@GatorEX

9 ай бұрын

Same here. I had to boot it up again to get the Pokédex screenshots and afterwards I was just like “Maybe I’ll just leave the cartridge in the Switch for later…”

I personally think that most of them are still out there, especially Ursaluna and Kleavor along with the obvious Basculegion

My guess is a lot of them have small pockets out in the wild but for the evolution exclusives the genes required for the evolution are suppressed for most of them.

I heard that white stripe basculin was the original one and as time passed, they had to adjust to the modern world and became more aggressive (blue and red stripe).

I feel like in the indigo disk, there will be speical evolution items on the ground like the ones for ursaluna and kleavor due to them being underwater and not dug up by humans, also maybe stantler will be able to learn psysheild bash here

I thought my Kitakami dex was bugging out at 199 of 199 but the white stripe basculin from Timeless woods needed to be caught and will register in the Kitakami dex even though i got the blue and red stripe variant from Paldea. Now all 200 caught in Kitakami with this mon caught last for me.

A funny thing is thatcyou find white striped Basculin at sea in Hisui, but in Kitakami theyre in a river meaning they might be originally from Kitakami.

There was probably a natural barrier in the River that formed at one point meaning that they almost completely went extinct not being able to return to their breeding grounds.

Not just Prof. Laventon, Pokémon HOME classifies White-Striped Basculin as a Hisuian form when you filter for Hisuian forms, so it being a regional form is official from Pokémon.

Considering how we have seen some Hisuian Pokémon in the present, I have been thinking that most likely all of the Hisuian Pokémon (aside from Enamorous who being a legendary likely has lived into the future due to being a legendary) have survived in captivity and have only gone extinct in the wild, similar to how several animal species in the real world are only found in captivity like the Spix’s Macaw (which is NOT extinct despite the annoyingly common misconception that they are)

2 of my favorite hisui pokemon are ursaluna and basculegion ........ it feels good to have them both back. i evolved my basculin last night into basculegion

I think a cool way to go about the hisui pokemon would be for the blueberry academy to have a nature preserve for the hisuian forma to explain how they're still around. Especially since it wouldn't make sense for certain hisui mons to be extinct like zoroark and basculegion since they're literally the ghosts of already existing pokemon

In the mainline games, we've only actually seen the Pokeverse equivalents of Japan, France, Spain/Portugal, most of Great Britain, a tiny bit of Guyana, and maybe up to five US states, depending on if you count the Gamecube duology (which I do). We've barely scratched the surface. There's still almost an entirely unseen planet that all the seemingly lost Pokemon of old and countless others are very likely hiding somewhere within.

Basculegion is one of my favorite Water types. I'm glad that we have access to it again in the SV DLC.

I don't know if you would count the card game as cannon, but in the tcg, white striped baculin are referred to as "Hisuian Basculin" which obviously evolves in to "Hisuian Basculegion", but I just find it interesting I can now shiny hunt white striped basculin in modern day!

The og Growlithe line is the best

i guess that the hisuian basculin became paldean basculin by technicality

I like the ideal that we the player in arecus was sent to keep them from going extinct and that after the events of legends arceus we breed the pokemon we caught making them no longer extinct but still very rare and that the pokemon that we see in the dlc are from the pokemon we caught.

Aside from the video being shnice as always 👌- with all this zoomed in footage and getting a better look at it, i think it's design grew on me just now, even though fish in general are not so much in my favourite animal/even pokemon category, so i never used one in PLA. But also getting the lore told n' shown + your theories made me appreciate it all around a bit more. Thanks for that Gator! 💚 You know what that means ...🐟!

I think basculin would swim up to kitakami to finish their journey and eventually form a basculegion and ursaluna hunted basculegion which its why it is in kitagami. I also think the reason why ursaring can no longer evolve is due to something happening to the soil preventing the peat blocks from forming. which is why ursaluna is so rare because it needs a peat block to evolve

I want to believe that ALL two stage lines are just missing their natural third stage due to various environmental reasons.

It is funny that people just assumed the Pokemon were all extinct. Were Archaludon and Dipplin extinct because we didn't see them in Galar? No, they just weren't made yet. Same reason you can find Hondour in Kanto in Gold/Silver but not Red/Blue. Also, isn't Hisuian Braviary from another region all together? And what's to stop modern Rufflet from evolving into Hisuain Braviary in Sinnoh now?

Jeezus, Sinnoh really got messed up over time for all these Pokemon to find the land unhabitable for them to live in anymore, now spread out in other regions, likely away from human eyes.

i just thought that they were escapes from area zers as they may have been hissuian pkmn in ancient paldea

Remember, there's a crystal lake in Kitakami that's ***rumored*** to bring back the dead. The possibilities for something like that are endless.

It's very likely that the rest of the hisuian forms are still around, but in different regions where their traits would be required. There was nothing specifically stating that Hisui itself created these forms, rather the circumstances of the new terrain they found themselves living in. I mean, all you really need for wyrdeer is a more hostile environment, or a colder climate for hisuian liligant.