I feel bad for you man. I've been subbed for a while now and have watched most of your previous videos. Today I decided to re-watch many of your older videos. I just have to say that the comments sections in many of your older videos are absolute insanity. Some of the most crazy people decide to post comments and you always respond to them thoughtfully and with patience. I respect you for that. This is coming from a Roman Catholic (I'm not looking for debate... I assume that you are Orthodox and I don't really feel like throwing random quotes back and forth with you about Filioque, Primacy, et cetera right now ) who appreciates your work as a brother in Christ. Again I have much respect for you as a defender of what I would call historical Christianity in the making of these videos about the Church Fathers and Early Church Writings. I guess that's pretty much all I have to say. God Bless!

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Zoroastrianism-Islam-Sikhism That means so much to me, it is hard to describe. Thank you! Since having a KZread channel, it has certainly been interesting "responding to the Internet." I occasionally fail, but I have made it my goal to always respond how Jesus would respond. Sometimes I have seen it do nothing; other times, it works wonders (Prov 15:1). You assume that I am Orthodox? I take that as a compliment. However, I am not Catholic nor Orthodox. Though I personally worship with a group of Christians most people would label as Protestant, I don't like the divisions that comes with the different sects of Christianity. I prefer not to identify myself with any Christian group on earth. Now, I like celebrating how Truth can be found in any Christian group. Anyway, especially for this channel, I do not want to support any Christian group. I try my best to remove my own personal bias when presenting Pre-Nicene Christianity. I have already fallen short before, but I still try. Thanks again for your encouragement. I means more than I can say!!!

@rprestarri

2 жыл бұрын

@X short answer, no, it doesn’t contradict Protestantism. History is history. History can’t contradict itself. Nothing can contradict God. History simply shows the gradual decay of the unity that is in Christ. This doesn’t mean disunity is right. However, disunity does not mean either movement is wrong. We have simply found ourselves in a point of history in which the church has fragmented. At this point however, we have the blessing of being able to attain scriptures in our own home, readily available. Which is a miracle, and we can all come to the Truth by the power of the Holy Spirit, without the organization that is so-called “church,” as the building, but instead by the true Church, that is an organism, much alive, that is the body of Christ, you and me alike. I do think it’s time we start throwing of the shackles of naming ourselves differently in Christ. You either are in Christ, and Christ in you, or you are not, and He is not in you. It is really that simple. Yet, the culture and possessiveness of power and greed in the hands of men has led us to this area of separation. Where you and me, could be sealed by the Spirit of God in us, yet the ones in which we accompany ourselves with, could not be. We are simply separated by the condemnation of the organization against organization through ignorance of one another’s beliefs. I pray this changes, lest it be the will of God. May the Lord bless you in knowledge of the Truth and wisdom in His name.

@VSP4591

Жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch It is so bad to be Ortodox??? Ortodox church have been using LXX since the very beginning until today.

@OrangeMonkey2112

Ай бұрын

Satans children, the children of wrath, will always gnash their teeths at truth. Your right. It's sad and pathetic. These videos have been a great source of reference as I continue attempting to be the disciple Jesus called us to be. You can bet many of the haters are Roman Catholic and Muslim. Not all, but most. My opinion

@OrangeMonkey2112

Ай бұрын

​@@PostApostolicChurch Melissa Dougherty has a great video talking about the main types of people that respond on KZread. You may want to find it. I find it to be pretty exact. Thanks for your hard work and ignore the children of wrath.

Thanks for posting these videos, I'm just so glad I found these videos!! They have been a blessing to me and sparked a renewal in my reading the Word of God!!

Some of the comments here are just insane. Instead of appreciate the effort and time you put in these informative jewels, people decide instead to trash and correct your work which they’re not doing at all. However your great work stands tall and highly appreciated by people like me Love your work and GOD bless!

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying that. :) God bless you also!

@tetelestai5736

5 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church your work is unique in this work study area which all denominations totally ignore, however it’s very fascinating

@raymack8767

3 жыл бұрын

The Greek New Testament has been with us since the time of the Apostles, and the LXX has been with us for over 2,250+ years, the oldest surviving ones are from AD 350 (plus the Dead Sea Scroll portions of 300-100 BC to 70 AD) whereas the oldest surviving Masoretic Texts are only from around AD 1,000. There are over 400 instances where the Square Hebrew and LXX within the Dead Sea Scrolls agree against the Masoretic Text. And mamy instances where the vastly older Paleo Hebrew and the Square Hebrew agree against the Masoretic Text. The MT actually left out a whole line of text from a Psalm that the Square Hebrew and LXX preserved. The so-called masters of vowel memorization thus not only forgot vowels but consonants, in another place in the Psalms the Masoretes put in the wrong word whereas the Square Hebrew and LXX preserved the true word, and in one place in Isaiah the block-headed Masoretes left out consonants. Even several of the Paleo Hebrew portions within the DSS don't agree with the MT. When all 3 are against the MT, the MT is finished: "By the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. The LXX for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up in 3 Dead Sea Scrolls against the MT.

@felipechandler1633

3 жыл бұрын

A tip: watch movies on Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching loads of movies these days.

@braydenbjorn9953

3 жыл бұрын

@Felipe Chandler Yea, been watching on flixzone} for since december myself =)

This is a great series and clears up the air in many ways. God bless you.

Thanks for these videos, i find the early church interesting, and am sad to see so many denominations try to divorce themselves from history.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

So true. It took the early Christians' teachings for me to, then, become a lover of history. Now, I'm one of those historians who facepalm whenever Christians repeat the same mistakes. God bless!

i randomly found this video . I love how you reply to comments from like 8 years ago. God bless you beautiful person ❤ thank you for your hard work! (i’m some random curious teenager looking into past christianity history haha)

@PostApostolicChurch

24 күн бұрын

Thank you for commenting and for the compliment. I am glad you found this channel... after all, Christian history is very cool. God bless you!

what a breath of fresh air these vids of the Septuagint are. ahh yes I had heard of the legend and am glad to have the correct information. May God bless you, continue to give you success in this and many other ways, also may He cause you to prosper in all your days. I anxiously look forward for more Septuagint videos. I just love the way you present the info! Thank you!

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+glockbite I, I am humbled by your encouragement and well-wishes. Thank you so much! God be praised! :)

Thanks again for your hard work brother! May the good Lord continue to bless you, your family, and this ministry!

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+AV1776 Thank you so much! The Lord bless you too!

❤️LXX👍 Thank you for sharing 👏🏼

On this video now and I just thumbs up , I really want to thank you for your effort and time. GOD bless

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your interest in Christian history. God bless you too.

Thank you for the posting, I will watch more to learn more about this subject. Russ from Oregon

Your videos are so helpful

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Nathan! And of course, it's always great to chat with you in email as well. ;) I'm looking forward to your future videos also!!!

Thank you for these videos. God's Peace.

The Masoretic Text (MT) was an alteration of significant portions of the Square Hebrew Old Testament that began early (noted by the Talmud and Mishnah showing conflicting texts, contradictions, and multiple competing rabbis making alterations) though Jews also used the Septuagint (translated from the Square Hebrew around the mid third century BC), and older than the MT; The MT are hardly original scriptures anyway. See Jeremiah 8:8 (Septuagint) concerning the MT. Paleo Hebrew, used from the 12th to 6th century BC (around 2000 years older than the MT), gave way to Square Hebrew (around 1300 years older than the MT), which then eventually gave way to Greek, as evidenced by the Septuagint, which is around 1000 years older than certain MT portions. The Septuagint predates Christianity, used when Greek became the lingua franca, and its use in synagogues by Jews around the Mediterranean was substantial. Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint (LXX) within the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) preserve the originals, and overwhelmingly disagree with the MT in numerous instances. 1.) Exodus 1:5 in the DSS Square Hebrew agrees with the Septuagint against the MT that all the souls from Jacob were 75, not 70 which the MT claims. 2.) The older Square Hebrew in the DSS agrees with the Septuagint against the MT for Deut. 32:8-9 in using Sons/angels of God and not sons of Israel. 3.) The Square Hebrew in the DSS for Deuteronomy 32:43 lines up with the Septuagint against the MT. 4.) The Septuagint for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up by 3 DSS and the MT is known among scholars as botching 1 and 2 Samuel badly. 5.) The MT wrongly has Saul becoming King at age one and ruling for two years. 6.) The MT actually left out an entire line from a Psalm that the Square Hebrew and the Septuagint preserved, thus the so-called masters of vowel memorization not only forgot vowels but also consonants. 7.) Psalm 40:6: a messianic proof text for the Incarnation: The MT: Thou hast dug out my ears. The Septuagint: A body thou hast prepared for me. 8.) Concerning another messianic psalm, Psalm 22:16/17, the DSS Square Hebrew and lines up with the Septuagint against the MT. 9.) Baruch, Sirach, Tobit, and Psalm 151 are written in Hebrew in the DSS. 10.) ▪︎The chronologies of Genesis 5, 11 of the Paleo Hebrew and the Septuagint line up against the MT. ▪︎Literary sources before 100 AD line up with the LXX not the MT on this: Josephus and Philo (30/70 AD) did not use the Septuagint to come to their conclusion that lines up with the Septuagint. ▪︎Eupolemus, the Jewish 2nd century BC historian's chronology, comes close to aligning with the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and not the MT. ▪︎Jewish Demetrius the Chronicler's (3rd century BC) chronology comes very close to the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and against the MT. ▪︎biblearchaeology.org/research/biblical-chronologies/4349-mt-sp-or-lxx-deciphering-a-chronological-and-textual-conundrum-in-genesis-5 Since synagogues around the Mediterranean used Septuagint and Square Hebrew, even in Palestine, Greek was the lingua franca, Jesus grew up near Sepphoris where Hebrew and Greek were both spoken and where Joseph could ply his trade, Christ quoted the scriptures, spoke to the Syrophoenician woman, and Mark/Luke were written to Romans/Greeks, some will be hard-pressed to prove Jesus used only Hebrew. Concerning key messianic scriptures, Catholics, Copts, Orthodox, and Protestants see that the leaven of the rabbis and then the Masoretes seemed to target scriptures that point to Jesus Christ. The Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint all agree with each other against the MT far more than they disagree, thus the starting point is to sideline the MT. There are dozens and dozens of instances where the, Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint agree against the MT: By the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established. Deut. 19:15; 2 Cor. 13:1.

This was wonderful. I also bought Volume 2. I have the CEPHER by Cepher Publishing and that has really been of value to my studies.

Interesting!

I want to than-you young man for your diligent, and helpful study of The Septuagint. I had heard some things about it, and so just this week I decided to have a look, so, I started in Daniel and I read the prayer of Abed-nego, and you know what? that boy did not pray for himself in the way we have been taught such as, "God help me with this, or God give me this etc. This boy glorified God, repented for his, and his peoples sins, and stated that every part of God's creation should bless, and glorify our God! as we should. from his prayer, and reading Job(kjv) I have been understanding the power, and majesty of our Creator more than I have ever did in all my life! I thank God for when I asked, He gave, when I knock, He opens another door, and boy when I'm seeking, He helps me find it! So very grateful to the Almighty God, as for the Son, all I can say is, He is that "Way"

I wonder if anyone stopped to think that perhaps Demetrius worked for Ptolemy I and Ptolemy II, and then maybe for some reason Ptolemy II did not approve of some action(s) and therefore arrested Demetrius? This seems to be a very obvious situation that solves the big question and places the time under Ptolemy II early in his rule.

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Great idea. From what I remember, according to secular history, Demetrius died during Ptolemy I. (I could be wrong about that.) I wondered about your idea... and I don't think it worked out. Buy hey, it's still a great idea. God bless!

Impatiently waiting on the next video to the series! Thanks for the insight, but i have a question. What is a good and reliable translation of the LXX?

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+William Lamb Great question! I believe the best translation of the LXX is Brenton's. Sadly, it is old (from the late 1800s), so it can be hard to read. Happily, it is old, so it is free and can be found most anywhere. I have my own hard copy but mostly read it from resources from the Internet like E-Sword. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Septuagint_version_of_the_Old_Testament_%28Brenton%29 There is the NETS translation from 2007. It is the NRSV which has been altered to match the LXX. You can buy this at places like Amazon. I have never read this translation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_English_Translation_of_the_Septuagint There is the OSB from 2008. It is a new translation of the OT using mostly the Septuagint but also the Masoretic. The NT is the NKJV. The translation is by the Orthodox Church and has study notes on each page which I have enjoyed. I have a hard copy of this. I love how it reads because it is modern, but I have found that Brenton's translation is much more accurate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Study_Bible

@williamlamb1754

8 жыл бұрын

+Post-Apostolic Church Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!

Thanks for putting these videos together and for your graciousness towards all of your viewers. May I ask what your field(s?) of study have been? Or what you recommend someone study with an interest in these books? From undergraduate to PhD? Thanks in advance, I’ve been studying independently but wonder what tract would correspond to my studies. Be blessed!

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your support and encouragement! My field of study (undergraduate) is actually computer programming. I would love to pursue accreditation, like a Master's or PhD, but it's not practical for me. Besides, I've seen "scholars" with those accreditation make such outlandish statements, showing me that they haven't even read the source material. My point is that accreditation appeals to me, but I don't feel like I need it. I thank God for whatever He can work through me as I continue sharing the faith and history of early Christianity. The single best resource regarding the early Christians is this. You can read their words FIRST-HAND in a convenient and efficient way. In short, this is the best crash course in early Christianity. www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Early-Christian-Beliefs-Reference/dp/1565633571

@BloodCovenant

Жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch You didn't want to be called Doctor Divine anyway PHD 😂😂

And thank you for the videos that you post. I did not mean to offend your non-denominationalism and kind way of answering people!

@PostApostolicChurch

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I have not noticed anything mean from you. Do not be afraid to comment about anything. :) God bless you!

When's that next video coming out! Can't wait

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Mineblade 1000 Thanks for the encouragement! :D The next one might be 4-5 weeks, sadly. In preparation for the next one, I'm trying to get familiar with all the books in the deuterocanon/apocrypha. These are books in the Septuagint but are not in the Protestant Bible.

@mineblade1000

8 жыл бұрын

+Post-Apostolic Church Do you personally recongzise them as scripture?

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Mineblade 1000 I'm glad that you asked about my personal view. After all, whether they are Scripture or not depends on who you ask. Personally, I believe many of them are Scripture such as Sirach and Wisdom. These have strong connections with Jesus. Tobit is also a great book. However, I do not believe Judith is Scripture. Sometime later this year, I plan to make a video about the history of the Bible. Instead of talking about whether something is Scripture or not Scripture, I just plan to share the history of how we got the Old Testament and New Testament.

@mineblade1000

8 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church Interesting. So do you accept any of the early church books out side the New Testament?

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Mineblade 1000 As for the New Testament, no, I stick to the 27 books. However, I would not be opposed to calling 1 Clement, the Didache, or the Letter to Diognetus as deuterocanon/apocrypha... mostly because those works were from the first century (like Hebrews) or because the authors knew the apostles or both.

MOAR

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Unbound Knowledge LOL. You got it. :)

It seems legends have a way of taking on a life of their own, even among saints!

great info, can you please tell me how old is the oldest completed copy of the Septuagint that we have today?

@PostApostolicChurch

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking. The quick answer is the 300s AD. Here is a link that has more information. The first three are considered to be complete. God bless you! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint_manuscripts#List_of_manuscripts

@debbie-hh5lf

9 ай бұрын

I know your frustration I want one in English that has not been revised in oast100 years

@debbie-hh5lf

9 ай бұрын

No

It occurs to me that the supernatural agreement of isolated translators may not be nearly as miraculous as getting that many humans to actually come to any kind of agreement! So, either way, I'm cool...

❤❤❤

Your links do not connect to You Tube.

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

The links work for me. However, I don't know why KZread isn't making them clickable. They work if I copy and paste them. Here is a clickable link to this Septuagint series. kzread.info/head/PLKXGJjRU-bTV8i7pQ700Z4Jkw0WN1djiO

Hey Can you tell me some Trinitarian Verses from the Apochrypha?

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking. I do not know if there are verses about the Trinity in the Deuterocanon. The first one that came to mind is Daniel 3:25, where Nebuchadnezzer sees a fourth man in the fiery furnace and calls him the Son of God. But of course, this verse is found in all Bibles. But the Deutercanon has MUCH more Scripture in Daniel chapter 3 than the Masoretic has. God bless you!

@debbie-hh5lf

9 ай бұрын

God doesn't want us to understand how he is complete it's beyond or understanding don't get hung up on oneness trinity he came in flesh Jesus.Dont try to figure out mystery of how he can be three in one are just one that is something religion likes to use to separate for the word in I have 1611 kjv Bible and 1560 Geneva happy to hear there are still people that have apocrypha paradise is best described in it I am just a newby studying it but bel the dragon gives more details than Daniel 6 about lions den story

I have a question..I know that there is a myth which says that the 70 were locked in different cells and they worked seperately to make the translation. After that when they compared the different translations it was the same.. Is that true ? And if it is How is that possible ?

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. The myth you are talking about is mentioned in this video. It was held by a number of early Christians, as noted here. I wouldn't call it a myth but instead a legend. This legend seems to have originated among the Jews, as this legend appears in the Babylonian Talmud. However, this legend does not exist in the Letter of Aristeas, which is the primary source of evidence for the Septuagint. Because the legend is not in the primary source and because the legend sounds so hard to believe, this is why I believe it is just that: a legend. Could it have actually been true? Of course! But I personally would need more evidence. God bless you!

@PhoenoxProduction

4 жыл бұрын

Okay if we accept that it might be true then how is that even possible? Is there any logical explanation which does not mention divine powers in the translation? In the university our teacher told us that he will dismis any student from the exam if he gives an answer how the seventy made the same translations while working separately completey isolated from each other.. Please someone help me with that answer because so far my research reached a dead end and things like divine power probably wont be accepted as a logical answer but its the only answer i found so far..

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenoxProduction How could it be possible? It's not possible. Therefore, if it were true, then we must say that it was a miracle of God. In short... IF (and this is a big if) this legend is true, then logically, it was a miracle from God. But again, I do not believe the legend is true. It sounds like your teacher is boldly rejecting the legend. He is welcome to do that. After all, I "gently" reject it. It's sad that he will punish anyone who believes in the legend. And so, he is essentially punishing Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and the Babylonian Talmud. While I disagree with those three about this legend, I would not punish them for it. Again, it's not possible for the legend to be true... unless it was a miracle of God.

@PhoenoxProduction

4 жыл бұрын

If we think of some logic theories what do they might be ? for example lets say that the translators werent completely isolated and they had some connection between them or can we say that they could have used the same methods of translations i dont know.. If only the isolation thing wasnt on the picture everything can be explained much easier if we can say that they just grouped and with common efforts they all did the translations i dont know. Can we at least have some theories about this topic ?

@PostApostolicChurch

4 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenoxProduction The only "secular" theory I can think of is that all the translators were directly appointed by the High Priest. Therefore, they probably had the same schooling and the EXACT same understanding of both Hebrew and Greek.

2:19 Where does that photo or drawing or sketch come from because 98% of all people will argue and demand Septua means 70 not 72.I am betting 72 heads are on that doc.

You probably know this by now, considering this video is several years old, but Irenaeus is actually pronounced like ear-in-ay-us.

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you commenting. You are correct on both counts.

Are you familiar with the Thomson' Translation?

@PostApostolicChurch

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. I have heard of it, but I am not familiar with it at all. Apparently, it wasn't as popular as Brenton's translation. God bless you!

@linusweber9682

Жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch Brenton‘s wasOT only

@PostApostolicChurch

Жыл бұрын

@@linusweber9682 Good point. That would make Thompson's translation more meaningful to Christians. After all, the only other way to get both Septuagint and New Testament in one book is the Orthodox Study Bible (which I am familiar with).

A couple of people told me that only the Torah of Moses was translated into Greek. The rest of the Old Testament was "forged" later by church Fathers to match the NT writings. I find this hard to believe. What evidence do we have that the entire Septuagint including all books of the Old Testament was translated before Christ? Thank you!

@PostApostolicChurch

11 ай бұрын

Excellent question! The Septuagint started with just the Torah. That is what the Letter of Aristeas is about. That letter explains the origin of the Torah being officially translated. To answer your question, the best evidence that the rest of the Old Testament was translated before Christ is Josephus. There is also Philo of Alexandria. Both of those men were Jews and wrote a lot of about how the Septuagint was widely used before Jesus. God bless you!

I'm not Jewish or Christian, but I would like a Septuagint in my collection of ancient books. I like ancient languages such as Greek, Latin, or Sanskrit. Indo-European is also appealing. But anyway, following the Renaissance, people do say that the Septuagint got corrupt as time went on. These issues notwithstanding, the text of the LXX is generally close to that of the Masoretes and Vulgate. For example, Genesis 4:1-6 is identical in both the LXX, Vulgate and the Masoretic Text. Likewise, Genesis 4:8 to the end of the chapter is the same. There is only one noticeable difference in that chapter, at 4:7, to wit: Genesis 4:7, LXX and English Translation (NETS) οὐκ ἐὰν ὀρθῶς προσενέγκῃς, ὀρθῶς δὲ μὴ διέλῃς, ἥμαρτες; ἡσύχασον· πρὸς σὲ ἡ ἀποστροφὴ αὐτοῦ, καὶ σὺ ἄρξεις αὐτοῦ. If you offer correctly but do not divide correctly, have you not sinned? Be still; his recourse is to you, and you will rule over him. Genesis 4:7, Masoretic and English Translation from MT (Judaica Press) הֲלוֹא אִם תֵּיטִיב שְׂאֵת וְאִם לֹא תֵיטִיב לַפֶּתַח חַטָּאת רֹבֵץ וְאֵלֶיךָ תְּשׁוּקָתוֹ וְאַתָּה תִּמְשָׁל בּוֹ:‎ Is it not so that if you improve, it will be forgiven you? If you do not improve, however, at the entrance, sin is lying, and to you is its longing, but you can rule over it. Genesis 4:7, Latin Vulgate and English Translation (Douay-Rheims) nonne si bene egeris, recipies : sin autem male, statim in foribus peccatum aderit? sed sub te erit appetitus ejus, et tu dominaberis illius. If thou do well, shalt thou not receive? but if ill, shall not sin forthwith be present at the door? but the lust thereof shall be under thee, and thou shalt have dominion over it.

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting! Yes, the Septuagint is identical to the Vulgate and Masoretic... I would say about 80% or more of the time. After all, all of them are based off the original Old Testament Scriptures. It is those few times they are different that can sometimes have a significant difference in meaning. Thanks for sharing Genesis 4:7. When trying to determine what the original meaning was, it is so important to consult all the different versions out there. It is exciting that you are a collector of ancient books. Such a great hobby! :) If you would like to add a Septuagint, I suggest getting a copy of Brenton's. It is free and it contains both the Greek and the English. God bless you!

@CassandraPantaristi

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I would like to get this Greek-English bilingual edition that comes with the Apocrypha on my Amazon (www.amazon.com/dp/0913573442/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=INZ03EQMZHMOT&colid=25YIB48FAYS3T). I also made my own Greek PDF file version on Wikisource. You can also make your own books with PediaPress in paperback or hardcover (whichever one you choose). I am compiling a book from the beginning of the world (as told in Greco-Roman religion) to approximately the 2nd or 3rd century CE. Even though we have different belief systems, I think that we all should get along. You know?

@PostApostolicChurch

7 жыл бұрын

I fully agree! I'm very impressed with what you are doing. May the Lord bless you. :)

@CassandraPantaristi

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you good sir :). May the Gods bless you.

@VSP4591

Жыл бұрын

Of course there are differences. We do not have the original Pentateuh written by Moses nor the whole OT from 6-7 century BCE. What we have are copies after copies that were copied by hand with mistakes. LXX is the oldest complete Pentateuh from 3rd century BCE. Vulgata was translated in Latin in 4th century CE. The material used for translation was LXX + some Hebrew copies that are no longer available to us but were in circulation at that time. The Masoretic text was carried out in Xth century CE and was a text that merged all versions of the OT that were in circulation at that day. Since then it was the standard text for Hebrews and Protestants. Important to mention that the Masoretic text did not include the Dead Sea scrolls that were discovered 1000 years later. And the history is going on.

Isaiah 22:22-30 and Isaiah 36 removed by church in Septuagint.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

I looked at Isaiah 36. It looks like verse 7 is longer in the Masoretic. What do you mean by chapter 36 being removed from the Septuagint?

@MitzvosGolem1

6 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church Remember the original Septuagint 72 rabbis were forced to translate into Greek was only Genesis to Deuteronomy. The rest was translated by unknown Hellenists. Origen and Jerome later made up the Christian old testament using fragments of Greek Aramaic and Hebrew. Hellenistic Jews were apostate s heretics. No Jews ever allowed to read Greek in Synagogue rather than hebrew.

@MitzvosGolem1

6 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church Which Tanakh are you using? Only use a orthodox hebrew Tanakh in hebrew not a English JPS Reform which was altered by American reformers.

How could we possibly have the original septuagent that was in the library of Alexander???

@raymack8767

3 жыл бұрын

A significant portion of the Septuagint is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and can be as old as around the time the Septuagint was translated from non-diacritic, Square Hebrew

@Nkosi766

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymack8767 , whatever gives you that idea

@raymack8767

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nkosi766 The DSS scrolls, some in Square Hebrew, some in Paleo Hebrew, some Septuagint, have a range of dating of 300 BC to 70AD, so some scrolls therein could be as old as 300 BC, others younger, whereas the Seotuagint is dated mid third century BC.

@Nkosi766

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymack8767 , the Septuagint is the body of work done by the 72 elders , only the Torah was translated from Hebrew to Greek, and went the way of the library, missing, anything other than the work of the 72 , is a fraud. It’s like some one using a canon copier and claiming to xerox a copy of paper. You’re just using the word xerox

@raymack8767

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nkosi766 Red Herring. The Greek New Testament, 90% of the time, when quoting from the OT goes by the Septuagint. The DSS has established that the Square Hebrew in it, the Paleo Hebrew in it, and the LXX found in it, all overwhelmingly together agree with each other and against tte Masoretic Text.

The Septuagint demonstrates that the divinely inspired word of Yahweh consist of more than 66 books. (What many Christians call "Apocryphal" is actually divinely inspired words of Yah).

@str.77

5 жыл бұрын

Many Proestant Christians...

@rhdtv2002

4 жыл бұрын

This is the Catholic position..

@nimblehorse

4 жыл бұрын

The apocrypha was a part of the KJV for 274 years until being removed in 1885 A.D.

@SixStringSlinger1

2 жыл бұрын

@@nimblehorse yeah and they weren't meant to be taken as Scriptures at all. They were in a separate section for a reason. A Bishop made a law where they had to be included. Catholic perversions throw them in the old testament. They were NOT meant to be taken as the Word of God, but instead for historical reasons.

@SixStringSlinger1

2 жыл бұрын

They are absolutely not the Word of God. They contradict Scriptures in many different ways, they have blatantly false historical records, and they teach things that God clearly speaks against. God's Word has been tried and stood the test of time. That is, unless you want to believe in Catholic corruption. They love the apocrypha.

So does it mean That the 70 elders translated just the 5 Books of Moses???

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. Yes, the 72 elders translated the 5 books of Moses, initially. Over the next century, the rest of the Old Testament Scriptures were translated by others and added to the Septuagint. God bless you!

@mdreagazit6794

2 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch thank u for Ur answer. Who are the the others which translated the rest

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

@@mdreagazit6794 The vast majority of the time, we don't know. I don't think the translator matters too much. From history, we see that the other books were added to the Septuagint everywhere. That is, when we found copies of the Septuagint and saw which books they contained, we saw a really consistent canon in the Septuagint. What that tells me is that, when a book was translated, the Jews trusted the translation enough to add it to the Septuagint everywhere. There is an exception to not knowing the translator. For example, Sirach begins and ends with translation notes. Those tells us who the author and translator was. I'm thankful for that information! :)

@mdreagazit6794

2 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch thank you for Ur efforts. Do the Oriental orthodox Family use the Same septuaginta like the EO? Is there a big difference between the septuaginta and the aramaic Bibel the Peshitta

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

@@mdreagazit6794 I don't know for sure if the Oriental Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox believe differently about the Septuagint. I'm glad you brought up the Peshitta. It is the third family of Old Testament manuscripts. I believe if someone really wanted to study the Old Testament, they should use the Masoretic and the Peshitta and the Septuagint. It is good to compare them all. I have found it very hard to find the Peshitta online. I have my own hardcopy of it. (Of course, according to how the apostles quoted from the Old Testament, they favored the Septuagint.)

How did the septuagint wrote the Name of Elohim? Tetragrammaton?

@PostApostolicChurch

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting. That is correct. I'm currently working on a video that will go into detail about Tetragrammaton. God bless!

@sharmainehill1272

3 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch Can't wait to see it

@mulongokato364

3 жыл бұрын

@Wellness & Freedom, your question can clearly be answered if you read two books side by side. 1) Septuagint free version 2) Septuagint Restored names version In the restored names version of the Septuagint, you will find the unchanged / original names. These names seem to have been maintained from the original language, from which the Greek was translated from.

It is a common Jewish idea to criticize the Septuagint by saying the translation of the books outside of the Pentateuch happened post Christianity and was thus biased for it. Now we know historically that the Septuagint was revised over time and that sometimes the NT seems to quote something that is neither the Septuagint or the Masoretic text. But is there manuscript proof or attestation that the bulk of the Septuagint predated Christianity?

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Thank so much for commenting and asking such great questions. I will share what I know. If you would like to continue a discussion, I think that would beneficial for both of us. 1) Were the non-Pentateuch books translated after Christianity? I looked to find Septuagint manuscripts that we have found that are dated before Jesus. We have found manuscripts from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, and Baruch. Note that Genesis is not on that list. Septuagint manuscripts of Genesis were found after Jesus. However, we know for certainty that the Pentateuch was translated before Jesus. Therefore, the ancient manuscripts we have is not sufficient evidence to whether a book was translated before Christianity. Next, we go what the ancient writers said about it. Philo of Alexandria lived before Jesus and used the Septuagint. He quoted from the Pentateuch the most. He also quoted from Sirach and Wisdom, which are found in the Septuagint. Josephus talked about the Septuagint's reliability and and popularity, but when he talked about the canon, he did not mention the Deuterocanonical books. Those are the Jewish sources I know of. As for the Christians, Justin Martyr wrote the most about the reliability and Jewish use of the Septuagint. In his work, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Justin talks about how the Jews loved the Septuagint until they noticed all the Messianic prophecies in it. Justin talks a lot about how the Jewish Scriptures in his day (AD 160) were changed from the Septuagint, which was older (Pre-Nicene). One of the examples Justin talks about is Isaiah 7:14. He talks about how the Septuagint is the original reading but the new translations (which were translated in Justin's day) changed Isaiah 7:14. The main thing I want to point out here is that the Christians kept pointing to the Translation of the Seventy (Septuagint) as if it had always existed. And I believe they were right. Because the Septuagint was found in synagogues throughout the Diaspora, the Septuagint was a well-established translation for the Jews. And the Christians talked about they accepted the Septuagint because it was originally accepted by the Jews. In the Christians' day, the Septuagint contained the Pentateuch, the rest of the Hebrew canon, and the Deuterocanon. In short, the best testimony we have to your questions is from the Christians. From the points they make and the from the history we have, it appears that the Christians were correct about the Septuagint. 2) You said the Septuagint was revised over time. Can you comment on that, please? How do we know that the Septuagint was revised over time? 3) Did the NT quote something that is not found in neither Septuagint nor Masoretic? So far, I have found only one NT verse that isn't found anywhere else: Matt 2:23. Do you know of any others?

@stevenv6463

2 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch Good to hear from you, I appreciate you answering me. Generally I definitely believe the Christian view on the Septuagint over the Jewish view. I am merely asking for clarifications since I find Jewish apologists are a bit dismissive of the Septuagint as they obviously favor the Masoretic text. 2) I am not an expert. This is just what I have heard. I was under the impression that the reason that the earlier books of the Septuagint were more accurate is that they were revised over time for greater accuracy and later books had less time for this. I can't remember specifics but I do remember one academic paper comparing the earlier and later translation of the same book and there were differences in understanding in the same book. 3) Again I am not an expert. I thought that was relatively uncontroversial to say. Or else it seems that there was very loose quoting at times.

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenv6463 Thanks for pointing out what you're looking for. I cannot think of any specific evidence to prove that the Septuagint was unaltered through the early centuries. Now, I don't believe it was. If it was altered, then we would see those differences in the Septuagint manuscripts we discover. It would be the duty of those Jews to show us how different Septuagint manuscripts are. I haven't looked into it myself, but I have heard that there are no differences in Septuagint manuscripts! If that is true, then the Septuagint was not altered over time. The disadvantage the Masoretic has in this discussion is the oldest complete Hebrew Old Testament is from around AD 1000. As for the oldest complete Greek Old Testament, it is from AD 400. This gives the Septuagint an historical advantage over how it was "altered" through the centuries. It's so sad that Masoretic has much more mystery to its history.

@stevenv6463

2 жыл бұрын

@@PostApostolicChurch Wouldn't the dead sea scrolls and Masada scrolls show that the Masoretic text (as well as the Septuagint) was mostly stable since around the time of Jesus? I guess the bigger issue would be the vowelling that came from the Masoretes around the 700s.

@PostApostolicChurch

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenv6463 You are exactly right. The vowel thing is a big difference. And when it comes to textual history, the DSS is a great witness to the reliability to BOTH the Masoretic and Septuagint. I'm glad you pointed that out. :)

Also Judith is inspired. It may not seem that way because snobby historians will try and say it never happened because in Judith it says this one king ruled in this one place. And according to history he "didn't" well too bad historians his empire had control over the land Judith said he ruled over so really the book was right all along.

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Unbound Knowledge Thanks for sharing. To me, Judith is the most strange book in the Septuagint. Being an historian myself, I read through the book in order to see if it connects with anything in history. Nothing matches up. From the king, to the existence of the temple, to the high priest, to the battles, nothing is from the same generation. I get the impression that the book of Judith is meant to be fictional. Now, if there are any resources you can share to show that Judith is historically true, please share! I found it fascinating that not a single Pre-Nicene writer quoted from Judith. Though 6 or more refer to the godly example of Judith, none of them quote the book. For this reason, I believe that Judith is not Scripture (inspired) but should still be included in our Bibles.

@thepsion2827

8 жыл бұрын

+Post-Apostolic Church well by that logic Ester and Song of Solomon would fit that category as "not inspired"No one quoted them not the NT Writers nor the Early Church Fathers. We have no evidence that those events even happened. And like Judith, its only how great Ester was as a character that is ever brought up.

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Unbound Knowledge That's a good point. I haven't studied Song of Solomon, so I don't know about it. But Esther is not in the same category as Judith. Esther explains the origin of Purim, a Jewish holiday that go back to the Persian period, through the time of Jesus, and even until today. Esther explains why the Jews celebrate Purim. And unlike Judith, Esther's history can be verified to a precise time. Lastly, I found that the early Christians quoted Esther one time. Origin quotes Esther 4:22 (from the Septuagint) in his commentary on the Gospel of John.

@thepsion2827

8 жыл бұрын

+Post-Apostolic Church Clement 1 refterences Both Judith and Ester. To him Both of them happened. I personally will take Clement of Rome's word for it because I am of the few who think that both his epistles should have gotten into the NT. He was a direct student under Paul. And I mean Luke was Paul's physician, a lower title of authority then disciple if you want to get technical. And also Mark would most likely fall into the same category as Clement of Rome. And he wrote a Gospel.

@PostApostolicChurch

8 жыл бұрын

+Unbound Knowledge Yes, Clement mentioned both Judith and Esther. Since the early Christians used the Septuagint for their Old Testament, all of them had access to Judith. When it comes to both 1 Clement and Judith, I would prefer that they be included in our Bibles, but right now, I'm not sure if I consider either of them inspired by God. 1 Clement is an AMAZING book, but his reference to the Phoenix troubles me. Judith is a very good read and Judith herself is a great person, but its historicity troubles me. If other people want to consider these books inspired, great! I lean toward that they are not. Yes, you say good things about the students of the apostles. Have you read the Letter to Diognetus? The author says that he was a student of the apostles themselves! I love the book and lean toward it being inspired. However, the early Christians (and Eusebius) did not consider it to be for some reason.

Thee Isaiah 7:14 KJV translation of virgin for Hebrew word that is specifically not the word for virgin is when thought out clearly of Him, His intent is virgin but He designed it to make a point of import using the Hebrew word for being unmarried FEMALE who of course is a virgin, and not even an unmarried woman who might not be a virgin.

@sharmainehill1272

3 жыл бұрын

good point Obediah002

The Scripture was written in HEBREW from Genesis to Revelation. Bless you.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

What is called the New Testament was written in a language called Koine Greek. The original Old Testament was written in Hebrew, though parts of Daniel and Ezra were written in Aramaic. This link will help. God bless you also. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_languages

@kevinwalker4124

6 жыл бұрын

+Letthere belight - Ummnnn no....the New Testament was written in Koine Greek.

@lettherebelight1492

6 жыл бұрын

Kevin Walker There is NO New testament or old testament. There is Old " COVENANT " and New "COVENANT". Bless you.

@lettherebelight1492

6 жыл бұрын

Kevin Walker The Christian jesus is the son of the devil. Christianity is the religion of the Antichrist. The Mark of the beast WILL BE the cross of jesus. ON the forehead or ON the hand. Yahweh's SON Yahshua died on a TREE. The cross is SATANIC. Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, Gal. 3:13, 1 Peter 2:24. Yahshua was nailed to a cross BAR and then lifted up onto the tree and his feet were nailed to the tree. Bless you.

@kath5018

5 жыл бұрын

@Peasant Scrublord hahahaha exactly

Just want to know the septugint that they used to write the 1611 bible and can I get it in English know I don't want anything written in last 100 years and has been pollted

@PostApostolicChurch

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting. For the 1611 KJV, the translators knew of the Septuagint and they looked at it to translate a few things. But for the over 95% of the KJV's Old Testament, the translators used the Masoretic. I highly recommend reading the KJV's translator's notes (which was included in the 1611 KJV). They mention the Septuagint. God bless you!

Masorectic text is before the septuagint and the samaritan pentateuch the Law/HA torah have 5 books the masorectic have 34 books the septuagint has 68 book the septuagint is a Greek translation of the masorectic the septuagint added more books it doesn't make sense is a sin to call the tanach the old testament lies but anyway Emet is a hebrew word/holy word Emet means TRUTH Emet is spelled Aleph ,mem and tav Aleph is the first letter of the alephbet and mem is the middle letter of the alephbet and tav is the last letter of the alephbet I am the first and the last the beginning and the end I am the alpha and the omega I am the light and the way I am H.I.M holy imperial majesty I am the TRUTH God of all flesh Supreme being of the earth master of the universe Lord of lords and King of kings Hallelujah A.M.E.N 👑 🦁 🇪🇹 Revelations 5:5 the messiah is a jew from the tribe of judah Emet is God most holiest name shalom ✌

Matthew 1: 21 says : and she will bring forth a SON, and you shall call His Name YAHSHUA, for He will save His people from their sins... Verse 25 says: and he called His Name Yahshua. The name spoken of here CANNOT be " jesus " because the letter " J " come into existence ONLY less than 500 years ago . This shows Us that the Christians INVENTED the name jesus and put it in the bible less than 500 years ago. There was NO " jesus " in the KJV of 1611. Look it up. All who call upon the name " jesus " are calling upon a PAGAN name made up by Christians. All who call upon the name jesus are calling upon the name of the devil's son. Truth is stranger than fiction. Bless you.

@PostApostolicChurch

6 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the oldest manuscripts of Matthew's gospel? It says neither Jesus nor Yahshua. Since Matthew's gospel was in Greek, His name is Iesous. This is how His name appears throughout the entire New Testament. I looked at some pictures of Matthew 1:21 in the 1611 KJV. It says, "Iesus." You are correct, "Jesus" came about long later. It is a progression from Iesous in Greek, to Jesus in Latin, and then transliterated from Latin to English's "Jesus." God bless.

@lettherebelight1492

6 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church The word " church " is NOWHERE found in the scripture . The scripture says: " Congregation of the SAINTS ". The Christians added the word "church " to the bible. The whole Scripture was written in HEBREW from Genesis to Revelation. The New covenant scripture was written in HEBREW also. Yahweh does NOT change. There is NO " old / New testament ". There is OLD/ New "COVENANT" . There was NO Christianity before 320 AD. When Christianity was INVENTED the Christians translated the Hebrew New covenant Scripture into greek language and REMOVED THE Name of THE Creator YAHWEH AND Of His SON and ADDED their pagan GREEK Iesus in the bible. When the letter " J " came into existence nearly 500 years ago , the Christians changed the name of their pagan greek god from Iesus to Jesus. This shows Us that jesus christ is the False messiah. Satan is COPYING the scripture. Yahweh sent His literal genetic SON Yahshua to save the world. Satan will send his literal genetic son jesus christ to save the world. Yahshua is Yahweh's MESSIAH. jesus christ is Satan's messiah. The false messiah. We have perfect proof as to WHO the false messiah is. Eze. 44: 1-3 The False messiah will enter through the golden gate onto the temple mount. Yahshua fulfilled this prophecy nearly 2,000 years ago when He entered through the golden gate/ eastern gate onto the temple Mount to present Himself as the Passover Lamb for inspection 4 days before Passover. They found NO fault in Him. Satan is going to send his son to do the same. Eze. 44: 1 - 3. The " prince " in this scripture CANNOT be Yahshua BECAUSE Yahshua's feet DO NOT touch the ground UNTIL the second coming. Zech . 14: 4 Yahshua 's FEET touch the ground AT His second coming. May THE Creator Yahweh give you understanding in these SALVATION scriptures. Bless you.

@lettherebelight1492

6 жыл бұрын

Post-Apostolic Church TODAY we almost only have Greek manuscripts left that we know of. The Christians DESTROYED all the Hebrew New covenant scripture when they translated it to Greek . The word "christian (s)" is NOWHERE found in the scripture. Acts 11: 26 says: Anointed ONES " (The disciples were first called Anointed ONES in Antioch) Acts 26: 28 says: Anointed ONE " 1 Peter 4: 16 says: Anointed ONE ". May The MOST High Bless you.

@kevinwalker4124

6 жыл бұрын

Dude, you're out of your mind. Get away from the Hebrew Roots Movement CULT. You must be one of those Black Hebrew Israelite morons. You're deceived either way.

@lettherebelight1492

6 жыл бұрын

They said Yahshua was nuts. I am in GOOD company. I belong to no religious organization of any kind. I am NOT a Christian or a jew or any other religion. I am a believer in the CREATOR Yahweh. My God's Name is Yahweh, May I know your God's/god's Name/ name? Bless you.

No such people as Jews historical facts at that time. Black Egyptian African Hebrews. European Jews historical facts came later

@YAHWEH-SAVES777

11 ай бұрын

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